History Headscratchers / AxisPowersHetalia

7th Oct '17 6:27:46 AM Meninblack
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* What's up with England and Scotland being siblings? I mean I can get Wales and England being siblings, but not Scotland and England. This has bugged me as a British person for as long as I have been in the fandom. Another thing that discreditsmEngland and Scotland being brothers is the union act of 1701. This, to me, seems more like marriage vows than anything. Plus, it would make more sense for England and Scotland to be married if you take in the account that Iggy and Wales were under Roman rule a lot when they were younger, while Scotland was off doing his own thing thus forming a separate culture than his Roman influenced "Siblings"
. Thus to me, the brother relationship makes no sense whatsoever.

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* What's up with England and Scotland being siblings? I mean I can get Wales and England being siblings, but not Scotland and England. This has bugged me as a British person for as long as I have been in the fandom. Another thing that discreditsmEngland discredits England and Scotland being brothers is the union act of 1701. This, to me, seems more like marriage vows than anything. Plus, it would make more sense for England and Scotland to be married if you take in the account that Iggy and Wales were under Roman Roman/Norman/Viking rule a lot when they were younger, while (For the most part) Scotland was off doing his own thing thus forming a separate culture than his Roman influenced "Siblings"
. Thus to me, the brother relationship makes no sense whatsoever.
remained independent from these large empires.
1st Oct '17 5:13:09 AM Meninblack
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* What's up with England and Scotland being siblings? I mean I can get Wales and England being siblings, but not Scotland and England. This has bugged me as a British person for as long as I have been in the fandom. Another thing that discredits the "England and Scotland being brothers" is the union act of 1701. This, to me, seems more like marriage vows than anything. Plus, it would make more sense for England and Scotland to be married if you take in the account that Iggy and Wales were under Roman rule a lot when they were younger, while Scotland was off doing his own thing. Thus to me, the brother relastionship makes no sense whatsoever.

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* What's up with England and Scotland being siblings? I mean I can get Wales and England being siblings, but not Scotland and England. This has bugged me as a British person for as long as I have been in the fandom. Another thing that discredits the "England discreditsmEngland and Scotland being brothers" brothers is the union act of 1701. This, to me, seems more like marriage vows than anything. Plus, it would make more sense for England and Scotland to be married if you take in the account that Iggy and Wales were under Roman rule a lot when they were younger, while Scotland was off doing his own thing. thing thus forming a separate culture than his Roman influenced "Siblings"
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Thus to me, the brother relastionship relationship makes no sense whatsoever.
1st Oct '17 5:11:25 AM Meninblack
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** Someone on the wikia actually went to the lengths of researching the romaji and kana for each possible variant of Hungary's name: Erzsébet came out as Erujiebeto in Japanese. Elizabeth came out as Erizabeto. Elisaveta and Elizabeta both came out as Erizabeta. So presumably it's Elizabeta, even though Erzsébet would be the proper Hungarian cognate.

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** Someone on the wikia Wikia actually went to the lengths of researching the romaji and kana for each possible variant of Hungary's name: Erzsébet came out as Erujiebeto in Japanese. Elizabeth came out as Erizabeto. Elisaveta and Elizabeta both came out as Erizabeta. So presumably it's Elizabeta, even though Erzsébet would be the proper Hungarian cognate.



** Elizaveta ''is'' an existing name (Russian, I think?), but not a Hungarian one. By the way, as this Hungarian troper can attest to, many Hungarian names are very difficult to write and pronounce in other languages, so Hungarians who stay for a longer time abroad sometimes change their names to a similar one or an easier-sounding cognate.
** Some fans who are aware of Finland's history prefer to transliterate his name as "[[ColdSniper Simo]]", since it's another possible way to translate Tino/Timo/etc.

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** Elizaveta ''is'' an existing name (Russian, I think?), but not a Hungarian one. By the way, as this Hungarian troper can attest to, many Hungarian names are very difficult to write and pronounce in other languages, so Hungarians who stay for a longer long time abroad sometimes change their names to a similar one or an easier-sounding cognate.
** Some fans who are aware of Finland's history prefer to transliterate his name as "[[ColdSniper Simo]]", since Simo]]"since it's another possible way to translate Tino/Timo/etc.



** In response, human names have various uses, at least in fanfiction. For instance, if someone is writing an AU where the characters are normal people and not nations, it's a little odd to refer to them as Germany, Belgium, Poland. Second, though specific, it can be helpful in AusHun fanfiction if you want to portray marriage. It'd be hard to portray with just the names Austria and Hungary, but with human names you can say, "She became Mrs. Elizaveta Edelstein". Thirdly, if the nation-tans need to interact with normal people, they can't exactly introduce themselves as "Russia" or "Belarus" because their identities are secret. Which makes it convenient to instead say "I'm Ivan" or "I'm Natalia". And finally...some people just like the human names. Fans can like things that the creator didn't mean much of.
*** Actually, that last part isn't true. The part of them having their nation status kept secret is highly fanon and really only turns up in fanfiction. There is a strip, where in a French citizen attempts to confront France about still being young, despite having known his grandfather, when his grandfather was young. France makes no attempt to lie or shrug it off. I suppose, in a sense it IS a secret, but it's not one that anyone is trying to KEEP secret. It's more a case of "it's not common knowledge".
** This troper DESPISES the amount of human names since A) They're not used in canon. At all. And so clichés like the "Lovi" and "Birdie" are stupid and meaningless yet they show up EVERYWHERE B) If not explicitly stated, it's very confusing to determine whether the characters are supposed to be the countries they are or humans C) For countries that have no official human names, it's extremely tiring and confusing to find out who they are. Basically, they're annoying and take away from a series that was in its very essence supposed to be about COUNTRIES not humans or pairings.
*** I can partially agree with this frustration, however they still do come in useful and stops fans being limited to the canon universe and AUs were history "went wrong". The names only take away from the series when misused... Which they quite often are, unfortunately. Most fans tend to clarify which name belongs to which nation if it's not "official" and generally, there is some sort of explanation if both nation name and human name is in use.

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** In response, human names have various uses, at least in fanfiction. For instance, if someone is writing an AU where the characters are normal people and not nations, it's a little odd to refer to them as Germany, Belgium, Poland. Second, though specific, it can be helpful in AusHun fanfiction if you want to portray marriage. It'd be hard to portray with just the names Austria and Hungary, but with human names names, you can say, "She became Mrs. Mrs Elizaveta Edelstein". Thirdly, if the nation-tans need to interact with normal people, they can't exactly introduce themselves as "Russia" or "Belarus" because their identities are secret. Which makes it convenient to instead say "I'm Ivan" or "I'm Natalia". And finally...some people just like the human names. Fans can like things that the creator didn't mean much of.
*** Actually, that last part isn't true. The part of them having their nation status kept secret is highly fanon and really only turns up in fanfiction. There is a strip, where in wherein a French citizen attempts to confront France about still being young, despite having known his grandfather, when his grandfather was young. France makes no attempt to lie or shrug it off. I suppose, in a sense sense, it IS a secret, but it's not one that anyone is trying to KEEP secret. It's more a case of "it's not common knowledge".
** This troper DESPISES the amount a number of human names since A) They're not used in canon. At all. And so clichés like the "Lovi" and "Birdie" are stupid and meaningless yet they show up EVERYWHERE B) If not explicitly stated, it's very confusing to determine whether the characters are supposed to be the countries they are or humans C) For countries that have no official human names, it's extremely tiring and confusing to find out who they are. Basically, they're annoying and take away from a series that was in its very essence supposed to be about COUNTRIES COUNTRIES, not humans or pairings.
*** I can partially agree with this frustration, however however, they still do come in useful and stops fans being limited to the canon universe and AUs were history "went wrong". The names only take away from the series when misused... Which they quite often are, unfortunately. Most fans tend to clarify which name belongs to which nation if it's not "official" and generally, there is some sort of explanation if both nation name and a human name is in use.



*** Most likely is to point out that, like Argentina, has a lot of French influence (as well as English influence). Or it might point out to the stereotype about Uruguay being the "Switzerland of the South" (like in this Uruguayan song [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4SHErF6Vnc No somos Latinos]] that pokes fun at that stereotypes about Uruguayans, for example where it says they confuse him for a German or American and that he's more at home with someone from Sweden than someone from another Latin American country).

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*** Most likely is to point out that, like Argentina, has a lot of French influence (as well as English influence). Or it might point out to the stereotype about Uruguay being the "Switzerland of the South" (like in this Uruguayan song [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4SHErF6Vnc No somos Latinos]] com/watch?v=J4SHErF6Vnc]] that pokes fun at that stereotypes about Uruguayans, for example where it says they confuse him for a German or American and that he's more at home with someone from Sweden than someone from another Latin American country).



* Not a devout follower so I know little about the series or the fandom (I just likethe fanart) but is there a meme where the characters are depicted in medieval/fantasy armor? Don't know the Pixiv tags for that. Also, why is Swordsman Hungary called a Nomad? Wiki says nothing.

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* Not a devout follower so I know little about the series or the fandom (I just likethe like the fanart) but is there a meme where the characters are depicted in medieval/fantasy armor? armour? Don't know the Pixiv tags for that. Also, why is Swordsman Hungary called a Nomad? Wiki says nothing.



* How does the whole "interact with humans thing" work? Do humans know? And if the earlier example with France talks about them not being common knowledge, then how are they not common knowledge? They're literally living nations! You'd think they would be a big thing!

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* How does the whole "interact with humans thing" work? Do humans know? And if the earlier example with France talks about them not being common knowledge, then how are they not common knowledge? They're literally living nations! You'd think they would be a big thing!thing!
** It's possible that humans think the Nation-tans are just important politicians to whatever countries they are from.
* What's up with England and Scotland being siblings? I mean I can get Wales and England being siblings, but not Scotland and England. This has bugged me as a British person for as long as I have been in the fandom. Another thing that discredits the "England and Scotland being brothers" is the union act of 1701. This, to me, seems more like marriage vows than anything. Plus, it would make more sense for England and Scotland to be married if you take in the account that Iggy and Wales were under Roman rule a lot when they were younger, while Scotland was off doing his own thing. Thus to me, the brother relastionship makes no sense whatsoever.
11th Sep '17 6:52:38 PM cbk
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** England's scones are mentioned to be disgusting in the anime, which is where I've noticed a good chunk of the fandom comes from, while his skill in baking isn't really mentioned outside of that strip (or it has and I'm forgetting something)

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** England's scones are mentioned to be disgusting in the anime, which is where I've noticed a good chunk of the fandom comes from, while his skill in baking isn't really mentioned outside of that strip (or it has and I'm forgetting something)something)
*How does the whole "interact with humans thing" work? Do humans know? And if the earlier example with France talks about them not being common knowledge, then how are they not common knowledge? They're literally living nations! You'd think they would be a big thing!
25th Oct '16 12:39:21 PM Shine101
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* Why is the fact that England is good at baking never noted by the {{Fandom}}? The author himself put in one of his comic strips that England is pretty competent at baking, and yet, his being a {{Lethal Chef}} is always taken {{Up to Eleven}} and it apparently includes his own baking prowess.

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* Why is the fact that England is good at baking never noted by the {{Fandom}}? The author himself put in one of his comic strips that England is pretty competent at baking, and yet, his being a {{Lethal Chef}} is always taken {{Up to Eleven}} and it apparently includes his own baking prowess.prowess.
** England's scones are mentioned to be disgusting in the anime, which is where I've noticed a good chunk of the fandom comes from, while his skill in baking isn't really mentioned outside of that strip (or it has and I'm forgetting something)
16th Jun '16 8:30:18 PM CarmzCookie
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* Why is the fact that England is good at baking never noted by the {{Fandom}}? The author himself put in one of his comic strips that England is pretty competent at baking, and yet, his being a {Lethal Chef} is always taken {{Up to Eleven}} and it apparently includes his own baking prowess.

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* Why is the fact that England is good at baking never noted by the {{Fandom}}? The author himself put in one of his comic strips that England is pretty competent at baking, and yet, his being a {Lethal Chef} {{Lethal Chef}} is always taken {{Up to Eleven}} and it apparently includes his own baking prowess.
16th Jun '16 8:29:51 PM CarmzCookie
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* Why is the fact that England is good at baking never noted by the {{Fandom}}? The author himself put in one of his comic strips that England is pretty competent at baking, and yet, his being a lethal chef is always taken {{Up to Eleven}} and it apparently includes his own baking prowess.

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* Why is the fact that England is good at baking never noted by the {{Fandom}}? The author himself put in one of his comic strips that England is pretty competent at baking, and yet, his being a lethal chef {Lethal Chef} is always taken {{Up to Eleven}} and it apparently includes his own baking prowess.
7th May '16 5:59:25 AM CarmzCookie
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* Why does the Heartwarming and Tearjerker page insist America didn't mean that bit when he said that he always remembers England's pained expression in the days before his birthday (right after England admits that date literally makes him sick a week in advance) and that remembering that face always cheers him up? (Or at the least that he meant it to snap England out of his broody mood?) For me, it was 1, either a revenge as in "Dude, you keep going on about that war, can you give it a rest at least on my birthday if you bothered to show up?? Way to ruin the party..." 2, a deliberately jerkish and not funny move.

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* Why does the Heartwarming and Tearjerker page insist America didn't mean that bit when he said that he always remembers England's pained expression in the days before his birthday (right after England admits that date literally makes him sick a week in advance) and that remembering that face always cheers him up? (Or at the least that he meant it to snap England out of his broody mood?) For me, it was 1, either a revenge as in "Dude, you keep going on about that war, can you give it a rest at least on my birthday if you bothered to show up?? Way to ruin the party..." 2, a deliberately jerkish and not funny move.move.
* Why is the fact that England is good at baking never noted by the {{Fandom}}? The author himself put in one of his comic strips that England is pretty competent at baking, and yet, his being a lethal chef is always taken {{Up to Eleven}} and it apparently includes his own baking prowess.
30th Dec '15 1:16:31 PM akanesarumara
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** As for a version of Hungary called a Nomad... because Hungarians were nomads before settling in the Carpathian Basin.



** Someone make Fanart of BadassGrandpa and BadassNormal Kicking ass!

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** Someone make Fanart of BadassGrandpa and BadassNormal Kicking ass!ass!
* Why does the Heartwarming and Tearjerker page insist America didn't mean that bit when he said that he always remembers England's pained expression in the days before his birthday (right after England admits that date literally makes him sick a week in advance) and that remembering that face always cheers him up? (Or at the least that he meant it to snap England out of his broody mood?) For me, it was 1, either a revenge as in "Dude, you keep going on about that war, can you give it a rest at least on my birthday if you bothered to show up?? Way to ruin the party..." 2, a deliberately jerkish and not funny move.
29th Sep '15 5:12:30 PM Archangel1138
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* Not a devout follower so I know little about the series or the fandom (I just likethe fanart) but is there a meme where the characters are depicted in medieval/fantasy armor? Don't know the Pixiv tags for that. Also, why is Swordsman Hungary called a Nomad? Wiki says nothing.

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* Not a devout follower so I know little about the series or the fandom (I just likethe fanart) but is there a meme where the characters are depicted in medieval/fantasy armor? Don't know the Pixiv tags for that. Also, why is Swordsman Hungary called a Nomad? Wiki says nothing.nothing.
* What if the tropes were personified?
** Someone make Fanart of BadassGrandpa and BadassNormal Kicking ass!
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