History Headscratchers / AvengersInfinityWar

* Why is Peter Parker shown riding a school bus? The school he goes to has been retconned into a [[Disney/BigHero6 San Fransokyo Tech]]/[[ComicBook/FantasticFour Future Foundation]]-esque government think tank for super geniuses, and those places don't use school buses. And if his school has indeed gone back to being a regular high school, what happened to the whole "Peter Parker is too smart to attend a regular high school" thing?

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** They explicitly discuss how it's different to self-sacrifice when Vision brings up Cap's ice dip. They make the point that murdering someone preemptively is very different from self-sacrifice when there was literally no other way. In Vision's case they did have another option and deemed it morally more acceptable than murder. Plus the only person who could murder Vision was unwilling to, so it's not like they had much choice. Plus the idea that a sapient being like Vision is worth less than anyone else's because he's a robot is morally repugnant. The whole point is to reject 'the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few' because that kind of moral utilliarism leads to Thanos' perspective than you should murder half the universe if you think people will benefit from it long term.

** They explicitly discuss how it's different to self-sacrifice when Vision brings up Cap's ice dip. They make the point that murdering someone preemptively is very different from self-sacrifice when there was literally no other way. In Vision's case they did have another option and deemed it morally more acceptable than murder. Plus the only person who could murder Vision was unwilling to, so it's not like they had much choice. Plus the idea that a sapient being like Vision is worth less than anyone else's because he's a robot is morally repugnant.

So I understand almost everyone fighting has a personal stake in saving Vision given he's their friend and ally. But given that half the known UNIVERSE was at stake, I feel like they really sat around and wrung their hands all "woe is us" style instead of giving serious thought to the idea of killing him. Vision ''himself'' even brings this point up and is shot down with the handwave line of the Avengers not trading lives. Uh, what? Sorry, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one. Steve, Tony, Thor, they've all tried to sacrifice themselves for the greater good to save many others, but apparently Vision isn't given the same accountability. They sat around until the drop-dead last moment to kill him when if they'd done this from the start, they could've saved the entire galaxy instead of trying (and failing) to save a single robot. They knew the chances of defeating Thanos were slim-to-none, but instead of giving it their best shot, they chose to hope somehow they could save a single person. I hope the rest of the world never really discovered what happened in Wakanda because I feel like every single planet in the universe would be pissed they gambled the entire population of everyone on a single robotic life and LOST.

** And don't expect any references to be made to the ''Infinity War'' events during ''Agents of SHIELD'' or any of the upcoming Netflix shows (''Series/LukeCage'' season 2, ''Series/{{Daredevil}}'' season 3, ''Series/IronFist'' season 2, or ''Series/ThePunisher'' season 2).

* This was puzzling in the movie, and gets even more so when you re-watch the scene of Thanos and Hulk fighting. Sure, Thanos is a better fighter, but if you look at his attacks, he isn't hitting the Hulk particularly hard. Thor hit him harder and fought him longer in the first Avengers movie, and hit him a ''lot'' harder and a ''lot'' longer in Thor:Ragnarok, and Tony pounded on him equally as much in Age of Ultron, and all either of them did was piss him off. At no point was the Hulk either afraid or about to give up. Hell, he and Thanos can't even use their full strength on each other in the fight, because they're on a space ship and doing so would destroy the ship. When Thanos picks Hulk up and slams him down, he doesn't even ''go through the deck to a lower level,'' so Thanos must have known not to use all this strength. An impact like that wouldn't even have knocked the wind out of the Hulk. The Hulk has taken direct hits from Thor's hammer, and the fight with Thanos simply doesn't measure up to his fights with Thor and Iron Man.

* The Wakandan military is apparently a thousand or so infantry with few aerial and no armored or artillery support. Granted, Wakandan infantry weapons are apparently so powerful that fighting vehicles are unnecessary (a line from Black Panther mentioned that each of their spears can OHKO a main battle tank and we see this power later on in the film) but the presence of artillery would have actually justified the close-up melee at the end; the Wakandan batteries open fire, counter-battery fire destroys them, Black Panther orders a charge at the enemy in order to force them to stop firing lest they risk hitting their own army. It's not perfect since we'd have the question of why Thano's artillery wouldn't accept friendly fire anyway considering the WeHaveReserves mindset, but at least we'd get to see more Wakandan military technology and have the cool melee actually justified by actual tactics: "hugging" the enemy so they risk friendly fire has been a method to deal with enemy superiority in artillery or airpower for decades.

** It has been pointed out by numerous people that Thanos' plan is utterly and completely flawed and stupid,it would only make complete sense to a sociopath like Thanos, wiping out half the universe would actually make us use resources ''faster'' to pick up the slack, the only reason it worked on Gamoras home was that Thanos was there to personally give the terms of the half-genocide to her people, who probably worked out a form of population control after Thanos left, the rest of the universe got no such thing, just suddenly people just crumbled, only the people of Earth knew what was actually going on, due to the remaining Avengers probably telling the governments what happened.

* In first [=GotG=] movie, possible genocide of Xandar was what pushed the protagonists from being self-centered assholes to become real heroes. And now, when Xandar was decimated by Thanos himself (Gamora's and Drax's personal Nemesis), the Guardians were not present to defend it. Granted, they cant be everywhere, and it was a surprise attack most likely. But when we see them, they seem to be as easy going as ever, and instead squabble about possibly looting refugee ship. Did they stopped giving damn about anything somewhere along the way? Sure, Gamora is terrified of Thanos later after hearing out Thor, but Quill doesn't seems to be moved at all, even when Rohman Dey and his Family is likely dead.

** Does he? I thought that Bleeding Edge was actually made to avoid the need for so many specialized suits, being the one that can do everything. And even if he still has multiple ones, it would make more sense for the AI to work like dropbox, being in every suit, and only update the data other one accumulated when connected together. Or even better, if he has multiple suits, the AI doesn't have to be part of it, but instead part of Tony himself. In Age of Ultron, when he picks up new AI, its not much bigger than flash drive. Spider-Man's suit is almost skintight, and yet it houses all hardware for AI to function. As such, Tony could wear Friday on himself, or even have her implanted, and then let her interface with any suit he puts on.

** Not necessarily. Thanos' deal with Ronan was a special case, not his usual method. Also we have no idea just how he would have carried out his promise. If Ronan had brought him it then he may well have destroyed the planet but allowed a portion of the population to escape, fulfilling the letter of the agreement at least. Regardless, it doesn't change that when doing things of his own desire he would wipe out half (a insane aspect comes in how he indeed didn't seem to account for how depleted a population may already be). As for the dwarves, unless their whole population was a mere 300 he didn't wipe out the race.

** I don't need to wait for the movie to easily answer both those questions. Do the other superheroes know about her? No, they don't - from what we already know about the movie, it's going to be prequel set during the 90s and involving alien invasion - and since in MCU existence of aliens was kept secret until 2012, it would be obviously covered up. Why wasn't she in the movie? That's yet another thing that pops up in almost every MCU movie, and yet seems to completely fly over the heads of most fans, leading to them declaring things like the Avengers not being present for the action of ''[[Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier Winter Soldier]]'' or ''Film/IronMan3'' a plot hole, despite it's obviously not one: time and communication. Film takes place over the space of... one day? Maybe two? During that time we have one attack at New York, which is quickly repelled, then another at... I forgot where did the fight between Proxima and Corvus and Avengers take place... which was late at night and was taken care of so quickly, it's doubtful anyone even noticed anything, and then another in Wakanda, which was over in a hour. Not enough time for Captain Marvel to react, unless she already knew something is on (which she didn't, because no one knew about her existence and thus no one warned her about it).

** Its quite possible he gave it up freely. He didn't seem to me a type to resist Mad Titan.

** The infinity Gauntlet is not necessarily the most powerful weapon, same as for in comics where a few beings matched it's power. Strombreaker probably no sold being turned into bubbles and since it can link to the Bifrost teleporting it away might not work. The beam is just a visual shortcut to show the Eitri wasn't kidding when he said Stormbreaker was the ultimate weapon.

** If not the Benatar, they'll probably get assistance from Captain Marvel or Thor via the Bitfrost.

*** Extremely unlikely. Strange wasn't trying to see as many futures as possible - he was looking for possible ''outcomes''. Watching multiple futures differing from each other only with extremely small details that have no bearing on the overall outcome would be [[ViolationOfCommonSense the absolutely most stupid thing that he could do at this moment.]] And even if he did that - yes, there may be a better solution that he didn't think about. Problem is, he already has a plan that he knows will work. Even on the off chance that he did come up with something different that seems like a good plan, why risk it blowing up in his face spectaculary with hope that it will turn out better than original plan when he knows that said original plan will work?

** Yes, even if we admit MCU and Fox X-Men universe are part of comics multiverse, each universe has a glove, and the glove works only in its own universe. By the way, it's unlikely all of this could happen in an universe X-Men and FF live in, and they don't show up for help.

** The stones were born with the universe and have persisted ever since, its likely usually not easy or even possible to destroy them. Scarlet Witch was an exception thanks to Vision's theory turning out to be true, namely that because her powers were created by/from the stone, it was possible for her to destroy the stone.

* On the Asguardian ship and on Titan we see Thanos break large objects apart with it (the ship itself and a moon), yet when he uses it on people he just shoves them away. Couldn't he have literally ripped people apart? The movie should have been even more of a curbstomp than it was. I was assuming it was some large sale breaking of some integral force that holds things together, (what ever it is in the MCU), sort of like the strong force in our world.
** A part of Thanos' character (at least in the comics) is that he knows he doesn't deserve to win. Perhaps he's just instinctively not using it to it's full potential because of that? Or maybe he just likes fighting and is giving them a chance for fun.

* You think something as valuable as the Infinity Stones wouldn't be in random places. I get the Avengers not bothering with it, but if the Asguardians had made the gauntlet before and wielded the stones then someone like Thanos could have never come into power. Similarly why didn't people like the Ancient One bother at least keeping an eye out on all the stones. The movie definitely showcases the failure of the heroes to stop Thanos, but they shouldn't have had to. If higher powers devoted to protecting the universe kept tabs on each of the stones then this wouldn't have happened.

** Nothing in the movie suggests Thanos's idea that overpopulation threatens the entire galaxy is correct; he is the villain, after all, so he could simply be wrong. It could be that Titan didn't have [=FTL=] travel, so based on his experiences there, and observing Earth, the other inhabited astronomical body nearby, Thanos concluded overpopulation is an universal problem. By the time he acquired [=FTL=] transportation and was able to see other civilizations, he had already become so fixated on this issue that he refused to see any evidence to the contrary.

* In order to obtain the Soul Stone, Thanos sacrifices Gamora, and this apparently satisfies - who, exactly? Who decides that Thanos really loved Gamora? Was it the Soul Stone itself, or the Red Skull as it's guardian, or just Thanos deciding? It certainly wasn't Gamora, as she saw him as an insane abusive tyrant. Whoever decided, it seems pretty debatable whether Thanos really did love Gamora, since it was a very abusive relationship and he threw her off the cliff with no consideration of her wishes or welfare. Contrast that with Wanda and Vision, where some real love ''is'' shown.

* While Doylist explanation is somewhat understandable (somewhat, because all those spells come from the comics, so have been part of the mythos for many years), there must be a Watsonian explanation why no one used those awesome spells Strange used in battle with Thanos in good doctor's solo movie. Sure, Strange himself was just a newbie, but Kaecillius, Mordo and especially the Ancient One were full-fledged and very powerful sorcerers. Fiery leapey blast spell, Images of Ikonn, Crimson Bands, even simple sword conjuration would have been very useful at very many points in that film.

* It's established that the Soul Stone can only be retrieved from wherever the hell it hides in Vormir by sacrificing somebody you love. What happens, then, if someone else had somehow made it to the planet first and gotten the Stone? Could Thanos strongarm them into handing it over and, because he was never the one to get it from its hiding place initially, be able to use it without having to off Gamora at all?

** He can't access it because Tony is busy fighting Maw and then he is in space, at no point he has time to warn them to join even if he wanted too (Tony wanted to fight them alone).

** Star-Lord when not empowered by Ego is as durable as a regular human, Strange likewise is a squishy wizard. Spidey is both superhumanly strong and durable, and covered in durability enhancing starktech armour.

** What could be ''the real answer'' to this complicated question, then? Some believe that Thanos is the VillainProtagonist of ''Avengers: Infinity War''; some, hovewer, consider him as a true BigBad of the story. '''Maybe this is the overall point:''' ''you can't be sure at all''. ''Nothing is absolute''; maybe some professional critics or dedicated fans of [=MCU=] could figure this out.

* So, Strange saw 14 million+ possible "outcomes for the upcoming conflict," only one of which was a win for the good guys. Fair enough, but how did he decide what constituted an indisputable "win", and how much farther than that did he see to make ''sure'' it was a win and not just a temporary one? At least a few million of those futures, he must have been trying to find a way to defeat Thanos on Titan. Keep the Time Stone safe, period. In few of ''those'', they must have gotten some semblance of victory, but something made him watch further beyond to realize it was a only brief one. And even once he figured out that they had to "lose" the fight on Titan, he must have had a way to see into a much, much longer future (despite his own dusting) so he could find the one chance declare, "Yes, this is an ultimate victory, or as close to one as we're gonna get." What kept him from declaring a victory on Titan "valid" and going back right then--his mere curiosity about what would happen next? Did he trace the Infinity Gauntlet all the way to the end of its existence to make sure THIS path isn't a temporary victory too?

* At the beginning of TheStinger, Fury and Hill get satellite reports of "multiple fogeys Wakanda", which are confirmed to have the same energy signature as the ship that attacked New York earlier in the movie. So this must refer to Thanos's fleet appearing over Wakanda. However, between the moment the ships appear and the moment Thanos snaps his fingers, at least an hour of must've passed, given that the whole massive battle takes place in the interim. Yet in the stinger, Hill and Fury get the news about the ships, and only seconds later they hit a car whose driver has dissappeared because of the fingersnap. How does this make sense?

** The characters should know that they are likely to be hostile, as New York was just attacked by a similar ship. Presumably, after that attack, all of Earth's defense forces are under a state of emergency. So when a new set of spaceships arrive soon after, they wouldn't think its merely a coincidence that these ships just happened to arrive within days after the previous hostile ship. So yeah, it makes no sense they would wait for hours to analyse the data instead of reporting the arrival of the ships right away.

* Is it just me, or does Thanos consistently fail at using the resources at hand to provide a more substantial case for his "kill half the universe" argument? Two scenes in particular are indicative of this omittance of key information: During his conversation with Gamora, Thanos mentions that Zen-Whoberi has become "a paradise" ever since he did his thing... Then show us. Go on, you've already got half the stones in your possession (and are on your way to nabbing a fourth), I'm sure you wouldn't mind taking a quick teleportation detour to show off the fruits of your labour. Same happens during his conversation with Strange on Titan, only this time he omits the period during which the once-vibrant planet's transtioned into the wasteland it currently exists as. We're not exactly asking him to travel back in time after being given the Time Stone in order to prove his point, just use the Reality Stone (combined with the power of the other three) in order to conjure up a mockup of the events that occurred, whether it be a war for resources, a large-scale techonoligal/societal breakdown or some other mass extinction event. I guess what I'm trying to ask; is Thanos simply too lazy/pressed for time in order to better use the more mundane functions of the Infinity Stones to properly justify the arguments and stories he puts forth, or is he deliberately witholding certain details which could expose some serious flaws within his reasoning and motivations behind his master plan?

Crosses with NightmareFuel, but in general, what is the criteria to where to put peopleback that the stones used? Infinity War shows explicitly a helicopter without a pilot. Are they going to come back in the sky and fall to their deaths? In the ground? What if it was a travelling over water? Would they appear back in the destroyed and properly repurposed wreckage after five years? How about spaceships far away from any planet??

* 1) Etri usually worked with other dwarves. Maybe they had a workflow where Etri and others operated the forge and someone else selected and fit the handle, and when he finished the molding process realized that no one had the handle ready. Also, it only became extremely urgent to find the handle immediately because Thor was dying. 2) Stormbreaker is a magic axe. It likely has {{Required Secondary Power}}s preventing it from ripping itself apart during use.

** Also also, "gifted sorcerer" doesn't appear to mean a damn thing as far as healing goes. It's stated outright in Doctor Strange's own movie that the sorceres of Kamar Taj '''cannot''' heal his hands. Pangborn confirms this, saying his "healing," is him using ''his own'' sorcery to basically ''fake'' mobility back into his limbs. Then when the Ancient One is dying, sorcery is simply not an option. So, again, there is nothing in either of the movies that suggests Doctor Strange can heal anybody.

** Also, she only meets Strange at the very end of Infinity War and shortly afterwards he's dust. Nebula spent the time gap between GotG2 plotting to kill Thanos, nearly succeeding and then being tortured until IW happened. So the good guys have no opportunity to 'fix' her.

** More specifically, this version of Thanos isn't someone just looking to GetTheGirl. To his thinking, Thanos is saving the universe by sacrificing half of it. What right does Thanos have to spare himself the pain he's giving others? Presumably, i's not that he can't or doesn't want to resurrect Gamora, it's that he's determined to share in the sorrow of the rest of the universe.

** Nebula spends all of her time ''away'' from the good guys, and she doesn't even know Doctor Strange. Plus, nowhere have we seen Doctor Strange's abilities include healing. *** Why not? He's one of the most gifted sorcerers on earth and he's an actual medical doctor.

** Nebula spends all of her time ''away'' from the good guys, and she doesn't even know Doctor Strange. Plus, nowhere have we seen Doctor Strange's abilities include healing. Why not? He's one of the most gifted sorcerers on earth and he's an actual medical doctor.

** Nebula spends all of her time ''away'' from the good guys, and she doesn't even know Doctor Strange. Plus, nowhere have we seen Doctor Strange's abilities include healing.