History Headscratchers / AtlasShrugged

5th Apr '18 3:20:53 AM wanderingmagus
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** It may have been less of a 'deserved to die' as a different motif -- the ''very'' worst of the villains all notably escape immediate death, and those who were only 'guilty' of being told or taught the Moocher ideology were in the train. The one person who pushed the lever for the train tunnel disaster, for example, jumped out of the train before entering the tunnel. [[{{Gattsuru}} This troper]] came away with the impression that the point was that all the beliefs and platitudes and good purposes were little or no shield against what other people, not held responsible for their actions, could do, just [[WastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot written horribly]].

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** It may have been less of a 'deserved to die' as a different motif -- the ''very'' worst of the villains all notably escape immediate death, and those who were only 'guilty' of being told or taught the Moocher ideology were in the train. The one person who pushed the lever for the train tunnel disaster, for example, jumped out of the train before entering the tunnel. [[{{Gattsuru}} This troper]] came away with the impression that the point was that all the beliefs and platitudes and good purposes were little or no shield against what other people, not held responsible for their actions, could do, just [[WastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot written horribly]].
24th Jan '18 4:38:15 AM Cryoclaste
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** Told people that they needed to be ready to make more sacrifices for the good of the country, blamed some of his underlings for all the problems, criticized the greedy capitalists, and reminded them of how much better things were compared to the past a la [[NineteenEightyFour Oceania]].

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** Told people that they needed to be ready to make more sacrifices for the good of the country, blamed some of his underlings for all the problems, criticized the greedy capitalists, and reminded them of how much better things were compared to the past a la [[NineteenEightyFour [[Literature/NineteenEightyFour Oceania]].
18th Jan '18 12:27:13 PM JohnnyChimpo
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**** It never hurts to be polite if you expect people to actually care about what you're saying though. Whether or not your statistics are true, the family's wealth started somewhere - odds are at some point someone in the family worked harder or was smarter than their peers in order to build the family's wealth to the point where their descendants prospered as a result. It's disingenuous to dismiss wealth as unearned simply because someone has built on existing wealth or inherited wealth. You're completely dismissing the effort and sacrifice of those who came before.
13th Dec '17 1:20:41 PM ColossalTapir
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** Here's a question. Why didn't they just call a timeout and call in the janitor? The guards aren't responsible for knowing how to repair machinery, but fixing things is one of a janitor's responsibilities. Why didn't they just call in Earl (who presumably can do his job without needing a CEO to micromanage him) to reset the circuit breaker, fiddle with a few loose wires to put them back in place, and then call out, "try it now?"
3rd Sep '17 7:38:45 PM hollowcity
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*** Three, even if the filthy rich heroes considered this an honorable, practical solution for them, what about the admirable, heroic characters who ''aren't'' filthy rich, like Cherryl, Jim Allen, and Eddie Willers? They and everyone like them don't have the resources to buy politicians for permission to live and work freely. What would they do if that was the acceptable way to survive?

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*** Three, even if the filthy rich heroes considered this an honorable, practical solution for them, what about the admirable, heroic characters who ''aren't'' filthy rich, like Cherryl, Jim Allen, and Eddie Willers? They and everyone like them don't have the resources to buy politicians for permission to live and work freely. What would they do if that was the acceptable way to survive?survive?
**** Die for being filthy moochers, or serve their betters like slaves until a moment of weakness allows them to demonstrate their superiority like Ayn Rand's philosophy demands. What a lot of people miss is that Ayn Rand's philosophy lifted a lot from Social Darwinism which was popular around that time. Actually it lifted a lot of stuff from other philosophers...
25th Jun '17 11:00:07 AM BuccoBabe
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*** So what? Why should we assume that "aspiring research scientists" who can't get a job would be capable of replacing genius-level scientists? You don't have to believe in the "great man" theory to realize that not all scientists are equally capable.
29th Nov '16 7:56:15 PM mirisu92
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** Or maybe [[VideoGame/BioShock1 1960]].

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** Or maybe [[VideoGame/BioShock1 1960]]. Although in that case Andrew Ryan built Rapture in TheForties.
29th Nov '16 7:54:49 PM mirisu92
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** Or maybe [[VideoGame/BioShock1 1960]].
11th Jun '16 1:32:18 PM nombretomado
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** Almost everybody has something to offer. I don't think I'll ever read ''Atlas Shrugged'', but I did read ''SwordOfTruth'' (all of it up to ''Confessor'') which deals with the same philosophy, though in a slightly more visceral manner. Objectivist or not, refusing your own brother the chance to become something other than the thing you despise the most in the world is a [[JerkAss dick move]]. Especially since I get the feeling this was the first time that brother made such a move, meaning that he deserves the benefit of the doubt.

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** Almost everybody has something to offer. I don't think I'll ever read ''Atlas Shrugged'', but I did read ''SwordOfTruth'' ''Literature/TheSwordOfTruth'' (all of it up to ''Confessor'') which deals with the same philosophy, though in a slightly more visceral manner. Objectivist or not, refusing your own brother the chance to become something other than the thing you despise the most in the world is a [[JerkAss dick move]]. Especially since I get the feeling this was the first time that brother made such a move, meaning that he deserves the benefit of the doubt.
28th Feb '16 9:22:24 AM Kalaong
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** A less charitable interpretation is that Galt (and [[PsychologicalProjection by extension Rand]]) is deliberately invoking the idea that a FinalSolution is the ''only'' way to create an Objectivist Utopia. Think about it: the people most capable of saving the world are instead championing the idea of selfishness as a virtue -- to the extent that they seem to ''want'' a [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ApocalypseHow/Class2 Societal Collapse]]. Galt and his compatriots are such blatant MartyStu characters who can intellectually run rings around the incompetent looters, from the lowest security guard to the most powerful politicians and businessmen. Yet they ''choose'' not to take advantage of their superiority and save the world, because that would be altruism, which in their philosophy is evil. Thus, like many historical tyrants (e.g. Hitler), it's do things their way or die horribly. Only, Rand takes it several steps further by designing the CrapsackWorld such that Objectivism is the ''only'' way to avert catastrophe. Those that will not play along need to die, because they're just getting in the way of progress.

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** A less charitable interpretation is that Galt (and [[PsychologicalProjection by extension Rand]]) is deliberately invoking the idea that a FinalSolution is the ''only'' way to create an Objectivist Utopia. Think about it: the people most capable of saving the world are instead championing the idea of selfishness as a virtue -- to the extent that they seem to ''want'' a [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ApocalypseHow/Class2 [[ApocalypseHow/Class2 Societal Collapse]]. Galt and his compatriots are such blatant MartyStu characters who can intellectually run rings around the incompetent looters, from the lowest security guard to the most powerful politicians and businessmen. Yet they ''choose'' not to take advantage of their superiority and save the world, because that would be altruism, which in their philosophy is evil. Thus, like many historical tyrants (e.g. Hitler), it's do things their way or die horribly. Only, Rand takes it several steps further by designing the CrapsackWorld such that Objectivism is the ''only'' way to avert catastrophe. Those that will not play along need to die, because they're just getting in the way of progress.
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