History Headscratchers / Animorphs

23rd Aug '16 5:29:34 PM Sarah1281
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** Permission to acquire them, sure, but not to read minds in the future and they seem like the kind of people who would have a moral problem reading someone's mind without asking permission.
23rd Aug '16 6:21:18 AM tropette
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** It can't be their moralizing -- the Leerans gave them explicit permission.
31st Jul '16 11:39:15 PM RustyShackleford42
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**A technical legal argument here is pointless, though there's certainly a moral argument to be had. But any discussion of the technical rules of war and whatnot ignores that technically, all of the non-human characters involved are legally WILD ANIMALS. A Yeerk or an Andalite isn't human and doesn't have humans rights, so discussing if its okay to kill a yeerk not wearing a uniform is nonsensical.
29th Jul '16 2:13:36 PM Discar
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29th Jul '16 2:08:20 PM Discar
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*** I doubt Yeerks had any concept of gender before infesting hosts. We don't know if Gedd had sexes or, given they were apparently barely sentient, any notion of gender and that's where it started or they didn't start identifying themselves with genders until later on with more advanced species. The Hork-Bajir, for instance, are quite clear on sexes and they're not the most advanced species. They seem to largely identify with the gender of their current host or a formative host but we do have Visser One referred to as male a few times (though by the Animorphs who might just be defaulting).

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*** ** I doubt Yeerks had any concept of gender before infesting hosts. We don't know if Gedd had sexes or, given they were apparently barely sentient, any notion of gender and that's where it started or they didn't start identifying themselves with genders until later on with more advanced species. The Hork-Bajir, for instance, are quite clear on sexes and they're not the most advanced species. They seem to largely identify with the gender of their current host or a formative host but we do have Visser One referred to as male a few times (though by the Animorphs who might just be defaulting).



*** That came later after whatever kind of punishment Visser Three gave her Yeerk which would have been brutal for her, too. Possibly she was freaked out by watching her Yeerk lose it torturing Tobias or the torture itself or understanding they were lacking distinct identities more than most Yeerk-host combinations. But as far as being more understanding of Taylor being a voluntary controller when she would be used to help enslave the planet and her mother in particular because the Yeerks weren't just going to let her walk away at that point and she couldn't stop it, the fact that after knowing all that she was still voluntary in her first appearance means it's not really mitigating. She couldn't have turned back and not been a controller after all but she clearly didn't care enough to object to being a controller and think maybe it was a bad idea. Mrs. Chapman is an excellent example of someone who joined voluntarily (we don't know why besides "she was weak") and her changing her mind didn't mean she was no longer a controller but it does make her a better person than Taylor. We don't know why or when she changed her mind. Maybe right after it happened she realized how awful being a host was, maybe she hadn't realized the reality of being part of an organization determined to enslave the whole world, maybe it was when her husband was forced into enslavement, maybe it took all the way up to when her daughter was targeted. But at some point she looked at what was going on and, while she remained as much a controller as Tayor, she was not still onboard with the whole thing.

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*** ** That came later after whatever kind of punishment Visser Three gave her Yeerk which would have been brutal for her, too. Possibly she was freaked out by watching her Yeerk lose it torturing Tobias or the torture itself or understanding they were lacking distinct identities more than most Yeerk-host combinations. But as far as being more understanding of Taylor being a voluntary controller when she would be used to help enslave the planet and her mother in particular because the Yeerks weren't just going to let her walk away at that point and she couldn't stop it, the fact that after knowing all that she was still voluntary in her first appearance means it's not really mitigating. She couldn't have turned back and not been a controller after all but she clearly didn't care enough to object to being a controller and think maybe it was a bad idea. Mrs. Chapman is an excellent example of someone who joined voluntarily (we don't know why besides "she was weak") and her changing her mind didn't mean she was no longer a controller but it does make her a better person than Taylor. We don't know why or when she changed her mind. Maybe right after it happened she realized how awful being a host was, maybe she hadn't realized the reality of being part of an organization determined to enslave the whole world, maybe it was when her husband was forced into enslavement, maybe it took all the way up to when her daughter was targeted. But at some point she looked at what was going on and, while she remained as much a controller as Tayor, she was not still onboard with the whole thing.


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** While ^that is an excellent point, note also that the Animorphs were ''supposed'' to be six random humans. The Ellimist stacked the deck; Ax is the most obvious deviation, but Cassie, Marco, and Tobias are extremely unique individuals who changed the shape of the war in unexpected ways. So it could be a reference to that, or foreshadowing.
29th Jul '16 11:32:03 AM Sarah1281
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** Possibly neither. The Ellimist created this scenario so he could pretend he was obeying the rules of the game while blatantly cheating by showing the Animorphs where the Kandrona was. It's why he was conveniently not home when they agreed to go to his little forest preserve. By having this not line up with their reality, by having a simple "mistake" like Ax not being human, it was a clue for the Animorphs that this wasn't the future they were facing but rather a simulated reality, much like what Jake faced in 41 which didn't seem to follow any logical rules or make much sense.
28th Jul '16 8:36:47 AM PrincessSolarFlare
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28th Jul '16 8:29:53 AM PrincessSolarFlare
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*In ''The Stranger'' the weird future the Ellmist shows to the Animorphs has Visser Three saying "The Ellimist has brought you six humans...you five humans and one Andalite...here to show you a future." With the Rachel from the past/present saying to her future self and Visser Three "Something has changed! It's Ax, isn't it? You said 'six humans' before. That's what you expected to find. That's what Rachel told you would happen. But the future has changed, hasn't it? Something is different." So...was there a differ net timeline where Ax didn't demorph to scare the Controller woman who bumped into Rachel? Or was there a timeline where Ax was never rescued but there was a sixth hero with them?
12th Jul '16 11:29:55 AM Sarah1281
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*** I doubt Yeerks had any concept of gender before infesting hosts. We don't know if Gedd had sexes or, given they were apparently barely sentient, any notion of gender and that's where it started or they didn't start identifying themselves with genders until later on with more advanced species. The Hork-Bajir, for instance, are quite clear on sexes and they're not the most advanced species. They seem to largely identify with the gender of their current host or a formative host but we do have Visser One referred to as male a few times (though by the Animorphs who might just be defaulting).


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*** That came later after whatever kind of punishment Visser Three gave her Yeerk which would have been brutal for her, too. Possibly she was freaked out by watching her Yeerk lose it torturing Tobias or the torture itself or understanding they were lacking distinct identities more than most Yeerk-host combinations. But as far as being more understanding of Taylor being a voluntary controller when she would be used to help enslave the planet and her mother in particular because the Yeerks weren't just going to let her walk away at that point and she couldn't stop it, the fact that after knowing all that she was still voluntary in her first appearance means it's not really mitigating. She couldn't have turned back and not been a controller after all but she clearly didn't care enough to object to being a controller and think maybe it was a bad idea. Mrs. Chapman is an excellent example of someone who joined voluntarily (we don't know why besides "she was weak") and her changing her mind didn't mean she was no longer a controller but it does make her a better person than Taylor. We don't know why or when she changed her mind. Maybe right after it happened she realized how awful being a host was, maybe she hadn't realized the reality of being part of an organization determined to enslave the whole world, maybe it was when her husband was forced into enslavement, maybe it took all the way up to when her daughter was targeted. But at some point she looked at what was going on and, while she remained as much a controller as Tayor, she was not still onboard with the whole thing.
12th Jul '16 1:29:57 AM PaulA
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** The Andalite scientists who designed the morphing technology probably considered these issues and built in fail-safes. What with Andalites all being covered in fur, they probably needed to make sure they didn't turn into [[TheAddamsFamily Cousin Itt]] every time they demorphed. And for all we know, their culture has their own equivalents of circumcision, piercings and other body modifications that they had to take into account. But because the morphing technology was never designed for humans, these fail-safes work inconsistently for the main characters.

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** The Andalite scientists who designed the morphing technology probably considered these issues and built in fail-safes. What with Andalites all being covered in fur, they probably needed to make sure they didn't turn into [[TheAddamsFamily [[Series/TheAddamsFamily Cousin Itt]] every time they demorphed. And for all we know, their culture has their own equivalents of circumcision, piercings and other body modifications that they had to take into account. But because the morphing technology was never designed for humans, these fail-safes work inconsistently for the main characters.
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