History Headscratchers / AmericanGods

14th Jun '16 9:30:14 PM ImpudentInfidel
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** Different. For that first example, the people I know who believe in the Christian God would definitely not say He's the same as Allah, even if they share some things, because they're different religions with different rituals, specific beliefs, rules, etc. If what makes the god powerful is having people believe in and worship them, then the cultural origins or whatever wouldn't matter, as long as you have different people worshiping Zeus and Jupiter.

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** Different. For that first example, the people I know who believe in the Christian God would definitely not say He's the same as Allah, even if they share some things, because they're different religions with different rituals, specific beliefs, rules, etc. If what makes the god powerful is having people believe in and worship them, then the cultural origins or whatever wouldn't matter, as long as you have different people worshiping Zeus and Jupiter.Jupiter.
*** The Allah example is messier than it looks; many Christians consider God and Allah (which is actually just Arabic for "God" and also used by Arab Christians) to be separate, but it's an ''explicit'' bedrock of the Muslim faith that they aren't. They both (plus Jews and a few others) say that their god is the one true God of Abraham, even if they believe wildly different things ''about'' said god.
14th Apr '16 5:53:20 PM Eagal
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* Does anybody else really not like Laura? I mean, Shadow gives her nothing but love and affection, and how does she reward his devotion? She encourages him to break the law, cheats on him with his best friend, blames him for forcing her to cheat, and has the nerve to ask him to find a way to resurrect her. IMHO, Shadow would've been much better off with [[IndianMaiden Sam]] or even [[CatGirl Bast]].
** I quite agree, but I also think Laura was supposed to be come off as a BitchInSheepsClothing. I mean, look at what happened to [[spoiler: Mr. Town]].
** At one point Wednesday says he is sorry for Laura's death, probably because either he or Loki used her to manipulate Shadow. Shadow acts as a SpannerInTheWorks by giving Laura the coin.
** I agree I didn't like the fact that she cheated on Shadow, especially since it was her who got him involved with crooks in the first place. But to be fair she appeared to really love him after she died, and did everything to help him that she could. I suppose I just didn't like how much of a pushover Shadow was about the whole thing.
** Also remember that, as a reanimated dead person, her capacity for empathy is gone. Doesn't excuse what she did ''before'' she died, although that was implied to not entirely be under her control either as part of the setup to take everything Shadow wanted to go back to away from him.
** She was indeed a majorly self centered bitch, who nevertheless loved Shadow, even though she admitted this was partly because Shadow adored her, and she liked being adored. Anyone else seeing the parallel between that state of affairs and the dying Gods? But anyways, she wasn't a great person, and she was aware of it, and used that to be the bad guy in support of Shadows cause, and redeemed herself a little along the way. After all, she might have said she wanted to be really alive again (and wouldn't you?) but in the end, she chooses to die, and thats obviously what's best for everyone. As for Sam, or Bast, well, even if you ignore the fact that Sam was a lesbian, Shadow really needed to learn to stay away from those manic pixie dream girls, so I don't think she would have been good for him. And he DID end up with Bast. Not in a permanent capacity, but I don't think Bast is the kind who wants a big commitment, but I'm sure she'd be up for a repeat performance if he comes around again. You're reading this as a love story, and it's not a love story. He doesn't end up with anyone at the end, because that wasn't what this book was about.
** Laura is far from perfect but what character in this story is without flaw? That point is made very clearly at several points - everyone does some bad things during their lives. Yes, she slept with someone other than her husband (hate to say it, but with three years separation? statistically, most people do cheat. On first reading I was more surprised that she still wanted him back) and yes, she was involved in the bank robbery plot (and if she'd been responsible for her death it would have been amazingly stupid, but that was clearly somewhat divine meddling). She did not demand that Shadow resurrect her, he ''asked'' her what she wanted, and it was a pretty reasonable thing to want under the circumstances. I think it's sort of a pity that she died as it would have been interesting for her and Shadow to try and move past their earlier relationship and become independent friends.
** It is heavily implied that [[spoiler:her death, and therefore, possibly, her cheating on him, was caused by Wednesday and Loki in order to shake up Shadow's life so they could use him.]]
8th Apr '16 7:46:37 PM saraheg
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* Are parallel gods of similar religions the same entity or independent? Are the Christian God and Allah the same thing? What about Zeus and Jupiter, or Odin and Wotan?

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* Are parallel gods of similar religions the same entity or independent? Are the Christian God and Allah the same thing? What about Zeus and Jupiter, or Odin and Wotan?Wotan?
** Different. For that first example, the people I know who believe in the Christian God would definitely not say He's the same as Allah, even if they share some things, because they're different religions with different rituals, specific beliefs, rules, etc. If what makes the god powerful is having people believe in and worship them, then the cultural origins or whatever wouldn't matter, as long as you have different people worshiping Zeus and Jupiter.
31st Jan '16 3:35:01 PM ImpudentInfidel
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*** American Jesus actually does show up during the "Shadow is dying" montage in some later editions. He's pretty laid back, but mentions being spread thin by all the contradictory things people believe about him and hoping some of the more extreme factions will convert to the new gods.
5th Jan '16 12:20:27 PM Imperios
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** "Low [[{{beat}} (slight pause)]] Key" would be pronounced aloud different from "Loki", too.

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** "Low [[{{beat}} (slight pause)]] Key" would be pronounced aloud different from "Loki", too.too.
* Are parallel gods of similar religions the same entity or independent? Are the Christian God and Allah the same thing? What about Zeus and Jupiter, or Odin and Wotan?
22nd Jul '15 1:38:51 PM Azaram
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** Not really. How often do people make unintentional puns that they don't notice until someone else points it out to them? How often does LouisCypher or similar introduce themselves with a name that is phonetically identical (or at least very similar) to their "true" identity and people just don't get it? He had no reason to think Low Key was anything other than his previous cellmate, so his brain wasn't thinking in that pathway.

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** Not really. How often do people make unintentional puns that they don't notice until someone else points it out to them? How often does LouisCypher or similar introduce themselves with a name that is phonetically identical (or at least very similar) to their "true" identity and people just don't get it? He had no reason to think Low Key was anything other than his previous cellmate, so his brain wasn't thinking in that pathway.pathway.
** "Low [[{{beat}} (slight pause)]] Key" would be pronounced aloud different from "Loki", too.
22nd Jul '15 1:37:15 PM Azaram
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*** NoSuchThingAsWizardJesus. Can't talk about that one or jimmies will be rustled.
30th Jun '15 10:59:40 PM Allan53
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* At one point in the story, when talking to Mr. Ibis, Shadow says Low Key's name aloud, mentioning him as his old cellmate. How did he fail to get it at that point? Read on a page, you might miss the meaning, but saying it aloud the pronunciation is obvious.

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* At one point in the story, when talking to Mr. Ibis, Shadow says Low Key's name aloud, mentioning him as his old cellmate. How did he fail to get it at that point? Read on a page, you might miss the meaning, but saying it aloud the pronunciation is obvious.obvious.
** Not really. How often do people make unintentional puns that they don't notice until someone else points it out to them? How often does LouisCypher or similar introduce themselves with a name that is phonetically identical (or at least very similar) to their "true" identity and people just don't get it? He had no reason to think Low Key was anything other than his previous cellmate, so his brain wasn't thinking in that pathway.
20th Apr '15 4:25:27 PM Mouser
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** The above explanation does make sense for the new media gods, but the Judeo-Christian god is still the elephant in the room. Plenty of people still do sacrifice time, money, energy, all sorts of things for their religion. Maybe He's just too powerful to worry about what all the other gods are doing?
10th Apr '15 3:35:49 AM NemuruMaeNi
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*** Correct, also Media is based on showmanship and presentation and Technical boy on, well, [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin technology]] and interconnectivity.

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*** Correct, also Media is based on showmanship and presentation and Technical boy on, well, [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin technology]] technology and interconnectivity.
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