History Headscratchers / AmericanGods

7th May '17 4:34:27 PM Discar
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!!The book



** So far as the original forms of the gods go, if they're worshipped in a sufficiently different country it probably produces a different version, just as Wednesday is only ''American'' Odin and not the original Odin, who turns up in Iceland in the epilogue. Possibly Greek and Roman cultures were sufficiently different for the Greek Zeus and the Roman Jupiter to both exist. So far as the American versions of the gods, go, probably they're blended into one entity if they're similar enough. Wednesday appears to consider himself to be both Odin and Woden (hence his chosen moniker - Woden's Day). Mad Sweeney appears to be an amalgam of both the fairy king Suibhne and an earlier leprechaun. Bilquis is both the goddess and the half-demon versions of the Queen of Sheba simultaneously. Hinzelmann is the mythical kobold of the same name but he's also simultaneously an older god on whom we're presumably supposed to assume the kobold was based. In the extended addition, American Jesus turns up and it's implied he's struggling to be all things to all people because of all the different denominations of Christianity. Et cetera. If an Ancient Greek or Roman ever made it to America, then there's probably a version of Zeus-Jupiter wandering around there who considers himself to be both at once, a la Wednesday with Odin-Woden. Whether Yahweh can be considered similar enough to either Allah or Jesus to be blended with one or other of them in the same way - or both - is a tricky question to answer, though, and unless Gaiman decides to write a sequel we're unlikely to ever get a canon answer.

!!The series
* In the second episode, Wednesday gives Shadow a shopping list. A freeze-frame on the insert shot of the list reveals "two cellphones" among the other items. Later, Wednesday reacts with disapproving surprise when he finds a cellphone in the shopping bag, and Shadow's response implies that the cellphones were his idea.

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** So far as the original forms of the gods go, if they're worshipped in a sufficiently different country it probably produces a different version, just as Wednesday is only ''American'' Odin and not the original Odin, who turns up in Iceland in the epilogue. Possibly Greek and Roman cultures were sufficiently different for the Greek Zeus and the Roman Jupiter to both exist. So far as the American versions of the gods, go, probably they're blended into one entity if they're similar enough. Wednesday appears to consider himself to be both Odin and Woden (hence his chosen moniker - Woden's Day). Mad Sweeney appears to be an amalgam of both the fairy king Suibhne and an earlier leprechaun. Bilquis is both the goddess and the half-demon versions of the Queen of Sheba simultaneously. Hinzelmann is the mythical kobold of the same name but he's also simultaneously an older god on whom we're presumably supposed to assume the kobold was based. In the extended addition, American Jesus turns up and it's implied he's struggling to be all things to all people because of all the different denominations of Christianity. Et cetera. If an Ancient Greek or Roman ever made it to America, then there's probably a version of Zeus-Jupiter wandering around there who considers himself to be both at once, a la Wednesday with Odin-Woden. Whether Yahweh can be considered similar enough to either Allah or Jesus to be blended with one or other of them in the same way - or both - is a tricky question to answer, though, and unless Gaiman decides to write a sequel we're unlikely to ever get a canon answer.

!!The series
* In the second episode, Wednesday gives Shadow a shopping list. A freeze-frame on the insert shot of the list reveals "two cellphones" among the other items. Later, Wednesday reacts with disapproving surprise when he finds a cellphone in the shopping bag, and Shadow's response implies that the cellphones were his idea.
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7th May '17 2:39:44 PM CaptainCrawdad
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* In the second episode, Wednesday gives Shadow a shopping list that includes "two cellphones." Later, Wednesday reacts with disapproving surprise when he finds a cellphone in the shopping bag, and Shadow's response implies that the cellphones were his idea.

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* In the second episode, Wednesday gives Shadow a shopping list. A freeze-frame on the insert shot of the list that includes reveals "two cellphones." cellphones" among the other items. Later, Wednesday reacts with disapproving surprise when he finds a cellphone in the shopping bag, and Shadow's response implies that the cellphones were his idea.
7th May '17 2:38:30 PM CaptainCrawdad
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!!The book



** So far as the original forms of the gods go, if they're worshipped in a sufficiently different country it probably produces a different version, just as Wednesday is only ''American'' Odin and not the original Odin, who turns up in Iceland in the epilogue. Possibly Greek and Roman cultures were sufficiently different for the Greek Zeus and the Roman Jupiter to both exist. So far as the American versions of the gods, go, probably they're blended into one entity if they're similar enough. Wednesday appears to consider himself to be both Odin and Woden (hence his chosen moniker - Woden's Day). Mad Sweeney appears to be an amalgam of both the fairy king Suibhne and an earlier leprechaun. Bilquis is both the goddess and the half-demon versions of the Queen of Sheba simultaneously. Hinzelmann is the mythical kobold of the same name but he's also simultaneously an older god on whom we're presumably supposed to assume the kobold was based. In the extended addition, American Jesus turns up and it's implied he's struggling to be all things to all people because of all the different denominations of Christianity. Et cetera. If an Ancient Greek or Roman ever made it to America, then there's probably a version of Zeus-Jupiter wandering around there who considers himself to be both at once, a la Wednesday with Odin-Woden. Whether Yahweh can be considered similar enough to either Allah or Jesus to be blended with one or other of them in the same way - or both - is a tricky question to answer, though, and unless Gaiman decides to write a sequel we're unlikely to ever get a canon answer.

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** So far as the original forms of the gods go, if they're worshipped in a sufficiently different country it probably produces a different version, just as Wednesday is only ''American'' Odin and not the original Odin, who turns up in Iceland in the epilogue. Possibly Greek and Roman cultures were sufficiently different for the Greek Zeus and the Roman Jupiter to both exist. So far as the American versions of the gods, go, probably they're blended into one entity if they're similar enough. Wednesday appears to consider himself to be both Odin and Woden (hence his chosen moniker - Woden's Day). Mad Sweeney appears to be an amalgam of both the fairy king Suibhne and an earlier leprechaun. Bilquis is both the goddess and the half-demon versions of the Queen of Sheba simultaneously. Hinzelmann is the mythical kobold of the same name but he's also simultaneously an older god on whom we're presumably supposed to assume the kobold was based. In the extended addition, American Jesus turns up and it's implied he's struggling to be all things to all people because of all the different denominations of Christianity. Et cetera. If an Ancient Greek or Roman ever made it to America, then there's probably a version of Zeus-Jupiter wandering around there who considers himself to be both at once, a la Wednesday with Odin-Woden. Whether Yahweh can be considered similar enough to either Allah or Jesus to be blended with one or other of them in the same way - or both - is a tricky question to answer, though, and unless Gaiman decides to write a sequel we're unlikely to ever get a canon answer.answer.

!!The series
* In the second episode, Wednesday gives Shadow a shopping list that includes "two cellphones." Later, Wednesday reacts with disapproving surprise when he finds a cellphone in the shopping bag, and Shadow's response implies that the cellphones were his idea.
1st May '17 2:00:42 AM Alas_Poor_Donny
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*** That's actually what 'medium' means-- something which can be used to convey a message. The internet supports and provides a means of distribution for media, but it's not really a communications medium itself and that's also not the only thing it does. This wiki, for instance, would be the medium through which this edit is being conveyed, but the raw functionality of the internet isn't being directly interpreted by the person on either end. There's grey area, but pretty much every major concept of that type has overlap with every other concept, this is why gods are always finding things to argue about.
24th Jan '17 10:11:32 AM gaimanite.pkat
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** Brain association. He associated "Low Key Lyesmith" with the man he had known in prison, not "Loki Lie-Smith" the Norse god. This is the reason why the audiobook isn't as good, though...there's a huge spoiler as soon as the narrator reads "Low Key Lyesmith"!
24th Jan '17 9:58:30 AM gaimanite.pkat
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** I think it has to be a bit more intense than that. The modern gods are all big important concepts embedded into society. Even the smaller tribal gods were worshipped by their devotees and were a very important part of daily life. It's not likely that members of a fandom practice certain rituals for their ship or have the ship be an integral part of their lives. And if that is the case, then they're kind of sick. Plus, fictional characters are not even close to god level.
6th Aug '16 7:40:28 PM YeMightyDespair
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** Since American Gods is joining the [[BryanFuller Fullerverse]] which now includes the TrekVerse thanks to StarTrekDiscovery, the Greek gods aren't there since they were aliens all along and left earth 5000 years ago according to Who Mourns for Adonais from the original series. Aliens that liked worship and allowed themselves to fade away when they no longer got it, similar to what's going on in American Gods, but aliens nonetheless.
29th Jul '16 5:15:07 AM nobrandhero
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*** It's not that the nature of worship has changed, it's that the supernatural nature of America is different and always has been. That's the entire point of the story. The old gods are here because people brought their old beliefs, but those old beliefs quickly faded in the new land. America is a poor place for gods, but an excellent place for culture heroes and anthropomorphic personifications. They don't necessarily need worship, just attention. Nobody has ever sacrificed anything to Johnny Appleseed, and he's doing just fine.
29th Jul '16 5:01:47 AM nobrandhero
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*** Not only that, different gods require different forms of worship. Odin requires deaths explicitly dedicated to him. Loki requires chaos itself. Easter, despite Wednesday's speech, is still shown to be doing well enough with only the forms of her worship being followed. What sort of worship would the American Thor require? Whatever it is, it's almost certainly not reflected in neopagan practices.
26th Jul '16 3:12:30 PM N
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**** Indeed, sacrifices don't need to be literal. It's mentioned that the money lost in Vegas is a sort of sacrifice, and Media explicitly says that people mostly sacrifice time (and sometimes each other) to her. The line between actually worshiping them and sacrificing to them without genuine worship may not really exist, in any way that matters to the gods.
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