History Headscratchers / AMidsummerNightsDream

1st Dec '17 2:59:40 AM GriffinPilgrim
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*** Plus she knows Lysander well enough to know that he would never hurt Hermia in order to play such a joke on her.




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** Exactly. Likely Oberon will give the kid something to do in his court and promptly forget he exists and Titania would probably have done similar if Oberon hadn't made a conflict of it. The game is what matters, not the result.


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*** True, but the same concept applies. Time passes in fairyland as fast as the fairies want it to. Maybe Oberon didn't want to wait to watch the wedding?
1st Dec '17 2:48:01 AM GriffinPilgrim
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* Also worth noting is that at the end of the play Demetrius, while still in love with Helena, is behaving far more rationally, suggesting the magical effect has settled down to something more stable. The idea that fairy magic wears off come morning was part of their mythology and Shakespeare even referenced it (albeit with Titania and Oberon noting it doesn't apply to them, being too powerful, but then they weren't doing the spell, Puck was).





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\n* It's worth noting that when under the influence of the spell Lysander expresses a desire that Hermia not come to any harm even as he pursues Helena. Demetrius does no such thing. As such Lysander, even when enthralled, still cares about her suggesting his true feelings are coming through. The "true nature" argument with Demetrius doesn't follow that that would be the effect with everyone.

8th Jul '16 3:03:50 AM NateTheGreat
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* When my school did this, the undpoing of the love spell involved a surreal DisneyAcidSequence puppet dance, so that it was unclear whether Demetrius was still under the spell or not, or at least distracted the audience enough so that they didn't notice.

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* When my school did this, the undpoing undoing of the love spell involved a surreal DisneyAcidSequence puppet dance, so that it was unclear whether Demetrius was still under the spell or not, or at least distracted the audience enough so that they didn't notice.
10th Mar '15 12:57:17 PM Homemaderat
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*** Except Rip met up with ghosts, not fairies.


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** Sometimes older writers didn't always care about continuity issues. Shakespeare is no exception.
15th Oct '13 8:01:50 AM MrDeath
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** Not all folklore. According to other folklore, time passes a lot faster in fairyland--think RipVanWinkle.
15th Oct '13 6:26:57 AM Redmess
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** According to folklore, no time at all passes in fairyland.
12th Sep '13 4:13:03 PM ReaderAt2046
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* Two points: First, Demetrius may be happy for the wrong reasons, but he's still quite contented with Helena. Second, this arrangement allows the other three to be with their loves without any interference, so it might be that Demetrius's free will was considered a necessary sacrifice to ensure that things turned out right for everyone else. Third, as others have pointed out, he did love Helena at some point and still had a degree of affection for her (at least to the point of not wanting her hurt), so the mental damage should be minimal to nonexistent.




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* He saw Helena and Demetrius and happened to feel sorry for Helena. It seems that this brand of fairy is generally beneficent towards mortals under all the pranks and jokes, and helping Helena cost him only the tiniest spark of effort. Basically, it's roughly equivalent to feeling sorry for some homeless person on the street and giving them a dollar.
6th Apr '13 3:57:10 PM Haldo
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* It all happens in one or two days. Shakespeare wasn't sure how long the events would take when he started writing, and he forgot to edit the beginning when he was done.
20th Nov '12 8:43:30 AM MrDeath
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* I think "fairies get involved" probably answers that. Time getting screwy when the fair folk show up is to be expected.
19th Nov '12 7:08:22 PM mythbuster
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[[WMG: Somebody explain the timeline of this story.]]
Start of the play: 4 days before the full moon- Hermia is given the choice between marrying Demetrius, consecration as a perpetual virgin, or death.
Next night: 3 days before the full moon- Hermia and Lysander flee under the cover of night to get married, fairies get involved and resolve the mess.
Morning comes: Full moon and Thesus' wedding day. What happened to the other two days?
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