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** Crosses into FridgeHorror, every single person who warned Strange gave vague premonitions and basically told him to stop because they knew better than him. What did Mordo do? Angrily point out all the [[RealityBreakingParadox paradoxes]] that could've occurred if Strange had proceeded down his path ("Temporal manipulations can create branches in time. Unstable dimensional openings. Spatial paradoxes! Time loops! You wanna get stuck reliving the same moment over and over forever, or never having existed at all?"). Strange's universe may have been saved if someone had just told him outright what would happen and led to follow a different path to his quest.

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** Crosses into FridgeHorror, every single person who warned Strange gave [[PoorCommunicationKills vague premonitions premonitions]] and basically told him to stop because they knew better than him. What did Mordo do? Angrily point out all the [[RealityBreakingParadox paradoxes]] that could've occurred if Strange had proceeded down his path ("Temporal manipulations can create branches in time. Unstable dimensional openings. Spatial paradoxes! Time loops! You wanna get stuck reliving the same moment over and over forever, or never having existed at all?"). Strange's universe may have been saved if someone had just told him outright what would happen and led to follow a different path to his quest.

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** On the other hand, it's heavily implied that the effects of the Tesseract on the underground lake is what led the conquistadors to believe it was the legendary Fountain of Youth, which may mean the conquistadors had no ''reason'' to attack their village in any other universe.

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** On the other hand, it's heavily implied that the effects of the Tesseract on the underground lake is what led the conquistadors to believe it was the legendary Fountain of Youth, which may mean the conquistadors had no ''reason'' to attack their village in any other universe. According to head writer A. C. Bradley, rumors about the magic lake were what brought this band of conquistadors much further north than the Spanish ventured in real-world history.
** That said, some variety of European colonizers were going to show up sooner or later in any case...
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* Kahhori's abilities (as well as that of her fellows from the Sky Realm) seem to primarily be a form of super speed, telekinesis, and later portal generation. Abilities that are perfect to inherit from the ''Space'' Stone, aka the Tesseract. All involve a form of ''moving'' things (or in the case of blocking bullets, ''stopping'' things from moving. Doubles the Fridge when you realize they seem similar (if not identical) to {{Film/CaptainMarvel|2019}}'s abilities, which were also inherited from the same source.

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* Kahhori's abilities (as well as that of her fellows from the Sky Realm) seem to primarily be a form of super speed, telekinesis, and later portal generation. Abilities that are perfect to inherit from the ''Space'' Stone, aka the Tesseract. All involve a form of ''moving'' things (or in the case of blocking bullets, ''stopping'' things from moving. Doubles the Fridge when you realize they seem similar (if not identical) to {{Film/CaptainMarvel|2019}}'s {{Film/Captain Marvel|2019}}'s abilities, which were also inherited from the same source.
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* Kahhori's abilities (as well as that of her fellows from the Sky Realm) seem to primarily be a form of super speed, telekinesis, and later portal generation. Abilities that are perfect to inherit from the ''Space'' Stone, aka the Tesseract. All involve a form of ''moving'' things (or in the case of blocking bullets, ''stopping'' things from moving. Doubles the Fridge when you realize they seem similar (if not identical) to {{Film/CaptainMarvel|2019's abilities, which were also inherited from the same source.

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* Kahhori's abilities (as well as that of her fellows from the Sky Realm) seem to primarily be a form of super speed, telekinesis, and later portal generation. Abilities that are perfect to inherit from the ''Space'' Stone, aka the Tesseract. All involve a form of ''moving'' things (or in the case of blocking bullets, ''stopping'' things from moving. Doubles the Fridge when you realize they seem similar (if not identical) to {{Film/CaptainMarvel|2019's {{Film/CaptainMarvel|2019}}'s abilities, which were also inherited from the same source.
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* The only discernible reason Kahhori and the Mohawk successfully fought off the conquistadors was because they had the power of the Tesseract. This suggests that in every other universe where the Tessaract doesn't get launched out of Asgard into North America, including the main one, Kahhori and her people were killed by the conquistadors.

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* The only discernible reason Kahhori and the Mohawk successfully fought off the conquistadors was because they had the power of the Tesseract. This suggests that in every other universe where the Tessaract Tesseract doesn't get launched out of Asgard into North America, including the main one, Kahhori and her people were killed by the conquistadors.
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* The only discernible reason Kahhori and the Mohawk successfully fought off the conquistadors was because they had the power of the Tessaract. This suggests that in every other universe where the Tessaract doesn't get launched out of Asgard into North America, including the main one, Kahhori and her people were killed by the conquistadors.

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* The only discernible reason Kahhori and the Mohawk successfully fought off the conquistadors was because they had the power of the Tessaract.Tesseract. This suggests that in every other universe where the Tessaract doesn't get launched out of Asgard into North America, including the main one, Kahhori and her people were killed by the conquistadors.
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* Kahhori's abilities (as well as that of her fellows from the Sky Realm) seem to primarily be a form of super speed, telekinesis, and later portal generation. Abilities that are perfect to inherit from the ''Space'' Stone, aka the Tesseract. All involve a form of ''moving'' things (or in the case of blocking bullets, ''stopping'' things from moving. Doubles the Fridge when you realize they seem similar (if not identical) to [[Film/CaptainMarvel2019 Captain Marvel]]'s abilities, which were also inherited from the same source.

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* Kahhori's abilities (as well as that of her fellows from the Sky Realm) seem to primarily be a form of super speed, telekinesis, and later portal generation. Abilities that are perfect to inherit from the ''Space'' Stone, aka the Tesseract. All involve a form of ''moving'' things (or in the case of blocking bullets, ''stopping'' things from moving. Doubles the Fridge when you realize they seem similar (if not identical) to [[Film/CaptainMarvel2019 Captain Marvel]]'s {{Film/CaptainMarvel|2019's abilities, which were also inherited from the same source.


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[[folder: Episode 17: What If... The Avengers Assembled in 1602?]]
* Of course Steve refers to Thanos as a "monster from the skies" - even though his memory of the events has been restored, his vocabulary is still that of someone from the 17th century. Even if his vocabulary was restored, everyone else (except Peggy) doesn't have the word "alien" in their vocabulary.


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* Peggy losing Steve after finally getting through to him seems like rubbing salt in the wound, until one remembers that in ''[[Film/AvengersEndgame Endgame]]'', Steve went back in time to live with Peggy and take TheSlowPath back. If this universe goes through similar events, Peggy might choose to do the same after said the war against Thanos, preventing his 'death' when assaulting the last HYDRA base (even if history still sees it as such) and otherwise staying off the grid. In effect, this knowledge gives the episode's ending a distant RayOfHopeEnding vibe, even despite her magically being kidnapped out of nowhere.

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* Peggy losing Steve after finally getting through to him seems like rubbing salt in the wound, until one remembers that in ''[[Film/AvengersEndgame Endgame]]'', Steve went back in time to live with Peggy and take TheSlowPath back. If this universe goes through similar events, Peggy might choose to do the same after said the war against Thanos, preventing his 'death' when assaulting the last HYDRA base (even if history still sees it as such) and otherwise staying off the grid. In effect, this knowledge gives the episode's ending a distant RayOfHopeEnding vibe, even despite her magically being kidnapped out of nowhere.
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* Peggy losing Steve after finally getting through to him seems like rubbing salt in the wound, until one remembers that in ''[[Film/AvengersEndgame Endgame]]'', Steve went back in time to live with Peggy and take TheSlowPath back. If this universe goes through similar events, Peggy might choose to do the same after said the war against Thanos, preventing his 'death' when assaulting the last HYDRA base (even if history still sees it as such) and otherwise staying off the grid. In effect, this knowledge gives the episode's ending a distant RayOfHopeEnding vibe, even despite her magically being kidnapped out of nowhere.
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* Why during the scene with Strange learning time magic did the Ancient One and Wong show up instead of Mordo and Wong? Because the [=ST=] Strange sought out the mystic arts to heal his hands and was only experimenting with the magic out of curiosity, while Strange Supreme specifically wanted to bring back Christine with it. With her powers of foresight, it would be best guessed the Ancient One was there to stop Strange from probing further.

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* Why during the scene with Strange learning time magic did the Ancient One and Wong show up instead of Mordo and Wong? Because the [=ST=] ST Strange sought out the mystic arts to heal his hands and was only experimenting with the magic out of curiosity, while Strange Supreme specifically wanted to bring back Christine with it. With her powers of foresight, it would be best guessed the Ancient One was there to stop Strange from probing further.
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** It's also possible that they died at other other early points. One is in the Sokovian civil war along with their parents and thus never encountered Ultron in the first place. Two is that they died after the fight on the boat, when Wanda triggered the Hulk. [[HoistByHisOwnPetard It's entirely possible he struck and killed her instantly afterwards]].

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** It's also possible that they died at other other early points. One is in the Sokovian civil war along with their parents and thus never encountered Ultron in the first place. Two is that It’s possible they died after the fight on the boat, when Wanda triggered the Hulk. [[HoistByHisOwnPetard It's entirely possible he struck and killed her instantly afterwards]].
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** On the other hand, it's heavily implied that the effects of the Tesseract on the underground lake is what led the conquistadors to believe it was the legendary Fountain of Youth, which may mean the conquistadors had no ''reason'' to attack their village in any other universe.
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[[folder:Episode 15: What If... Kahhori Reshaped the World?]]
* The only discernible reason Kahhori and the Mohawk successfully fought off the conquistadors was because they had the power of the Tessaract. This suggests that in every other universe where the Tessaract doesn't get launched out of Asgard into North America, including the main one, Kahhori and her people were killed by the conquistadors.
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!!FridgeBrilliance
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* The characters who appear in the opening are the characters whose variants appear the most often in the season. Variants of T’Challa, Carol Danvers, Thor, Natasha Romanoff and Steve Rogers appear in four episodes and variants of Tony Stark appear in five episodes.
* Uatu filling his traditional role as an all-seeing narrator for this series seems to make Creator/StanLee's role as the Watcher Informant redundant, even if it was meant to be an in-universe explanation for his {{Creator Cameo}}s. But the Informant was only active in one universe. Now that there is an infinite number, the actual Watchers need to get involved in observing.

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* The characters who appear in the opening are the characters whose variants appear the most often in the season. Variants of T’Challa, Carol Danvers, Thor, Natasha Romanoff and Steve Rogers appear in four episodes and variants of Tony Stark appear in five episodes.
* Uatu filling his traditional role as an all-seeing narrator for this series seems to make Creator/StanLee's role as the Watcher Informant redundant, even if it was meant to be an in-universe explanation for his {{Creator Cameo}}s. But the Informant was only active in one universe. Now that there is an infinite number, the actual Watchers need to get involved in observing.
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# [[Fridge/WhatIfS1E5WhatIfZombies Episode 5: "What If... Zombies?!"]]




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* The characters who appear in the opening are the characters whose variants appear the most often in the season. Variants of T’Challa, Carol Danvers, Thor, Natasha Romanoff and Steve Rogers appear in four episodes and variants of Tony Stark appear in five episodes.
* Uatu filling his traditional role as an all-seeing narrator for this series seems to make Creator/StanLee's role as the Watcher Informant redundant, even if it was meant to be an in-universe explanation for his {{Creator Cameo}}s. But the Informant was only active in one universe. Now that there is an infinite number, the actual Watchers need to get involved in observing.
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* Kahhori's abilities (as well as that of her fellows from the Sky Realm) seem to primarily be a form of super speed, telekinesis, and later portal generation. Abilities that are perfect to inherit from the ''Space'' Stone, aka the Tesseract. All involve a form of ''moving'' things (or in the case of blocking bullets, ''stopping'' things from moving. Doubles the Fridge when you realize they seem similar (if not identical) to [[Film/CaptainMarvel2019 Captain Marvel]]'s abilities, which were also inherited from the same source.
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* Peggy's inferred dislike of Tony Stark likely has another level to the tensions between Steve and Tony on the sacred timeline; given that in the real world the former is inspired from the latter, Peggy is no doubt reminded of the HYDRA Stomper, and inherently Steve, every time she looks at the Iron Man armour, with the very essence of the suit being a TraumaButton for her, which would naturally lead to a dislike of the suit, that could easily spill over to the man who both built and uses it.
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[[folder:Episode 14: What If… Captain Carter Fought the Hydra Stomper?]]
* Wasp being part of the founding Avengers and Widow having more successfully offed Dreykov can be explained by Peggy’s influence as a female war hero pushing forward the Women’s Lib movement, making women genuinely more aspirational.
** In a similar fashion, Hulk’s absence from the Chitauri invasion could be because since he was specifically trying to recreate the serum that created Captain America. Since the experiment that created Captain Carter was likely dismissed as a failure by her sexist superiors and covered up, Banner wouldn’t have been pressured to recreate the serum, thus preventing the existence of the Hulk.
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* The recap page notes under RuleOfSymbolism, how Gamora only identifies herself by name after her HeelFaceTurn, previously identifying herself only as daughter of Thanos. While extremely unlikely to be a direct homage, this does echo the novelisation of the ''Film/IronMan1'' in which, outside of Dialouge, Tony is exclusively referred to as Stark until Yinsen's death, the moment he truly turned from the Merchant of Death into Iron Man.

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* The recap page notes under RuleOfSymbolism, how Gamora only identifies herself by name after her HeelFaceTurn, previously identifying herself only as daughter of Thanos. While extremely unlikely to be a direct homage, this does echo the novelisation of the ''Film/IronMan1'' in which, outside of Dialouge, dialogue, Tony is exclusively referred to as Stark until Yinsen's death, the moment he truly turned from the Merchant of Death into Iron Man.
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*** It's possible that instead of confronting N'Jobu in his apartment, T'Chaka and Zuri confronted him in the middle of a deal, causing escalation that led to both N'Jobu and Zuri dying in the resulting shootout. This would have been atributed to gang violence, with Killmonger later looking deeper and discovering the Wakandan interference in the deal going wrong, insuring that he would still have a grudge against the royal family.

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[[folder:Episode 13: What If... Iron Man Crashed Into the Grandmaster?]]
* The recap page notes under RuleOfSymbolism, how Gamora only identifies herself by name after her HeelFaceTurn, previously identifying herself only as daughter of Thanos. While extremely unlikely to be a direct homage, this does echo the novelisation of the ''Film/IronMan1'' in which, outside of Dialouge, Tony is exclusively referred to as Stark until Yinsen's death, the moment he truly turned from the Merchant of Death into Iron Man.
* This episode is the 13th episode of What If..., 13 is typically an unlucky number, so it is ironic that Tony, who has been the unluckiest character in the show, having been killed off in almost every episode to feature him, finally gets his big win here.
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** Alternatively it's possible they just never crossed paths in this timeline.

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* Rocket is not with Groot on Xandar, so it’s quite possible he never escaped the [[Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxyVol3 High Evolutionary]] in this universe.

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* Rocket is not with Groot on Xandar, so it’s quite possible he never escaped the [[Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxyVol3 High Evolutionary]] in this universe.universe or was killed during 5 years Xandar was closed off.
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* Rocket is not with Groot on Xandar, so it’s quite possible he never escaped the [[Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxyVol3 High Evolutionary]] in this universe.
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[[folder:Episode 10: What If...Nebula Joined the Nova Corps?]]
* Irani Rael's decision to betray Xandar to Ronan is actually a huge mistake on her part. After all, Ronan isn't exactly the kind of person who will honor a deal if he feels he has the upper hand, and seeing how much contemptible racism he has for Xandar and its inhabitants, there's a good chance that he would've just immediately carpet-bombed the planet's surface the second he got into position, Nova Prime herself included.
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* Loki arrives on Earth on ''Wednesday'' (Wotan's Day, aka Odin's Day), presumably on the orders of Odin (and Frigga), avenges Thor on ''Thursday'' (Thor's Day), and finally he takes over Earth on ''Friday'' (Frigga's Day).

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* Loki arrives on Earth on ''Wednesday'' (Wotan's Day, aka Odin's Day), presumably on the orders of Odin (and Frigga), Odin, avenges Thor on ''Thursday'' (Thor's Day), and finally he takes over Earth on ''Friday'' (Frigga's Day).
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*** This goes even further with her offense. As a woman, even though she's more well built than many of her contemporaries, she still would be found wanting in the size and strength department against many opposing soldiers. As such, her offense incorporated a lot of holds and forceful attacks at joints to help disable them. Once she received the serum she still initially fought this way…and proceeded to completely annihilate the limbs of most of her foes on her first time out with her new found strength. A combination of her prior experience, and her lack of restraint as she doesn't carry any reluctance of hurting others made her a demon on the battlefield. She notably makes small modifications to her fighting style after her first outing to avoid crippling enemy soldiers unnecessarily.
** It would also add another reason to Philips pushing for Hodge to receive the serum. If the serum didn't work on Steve they'd have put all that effort into a physical weakling who couldn't do much of anything. If it failed on Hodge they'd still have a soldier who could fight, and if it worked he'd be more powerful than Steve with the serum.

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*** This goes even further with her offense. As a woman, even though she's more well built than many of her contemporaries, she still would be found wanting in the size and strength department against many opposing soldiers. As such, her offense incorporated a lot of holds and forceful attacks at joints to help disable them. Once she received the serum she still initially fought this way…and proceeded to completely annihilate the limbs of most of her foes on her first time out with her new found newfound strength. A combination of her prior experience, and her lack of restraint as she doesn't carry any reluctance of hurting others made her a demon on the battlefield. She notably makes small modifications to her fighting style after her first outing to avoid crippling enemy soldiers unnecessarily.
** It would also add another reason to Philips pushing for Hodge to receive the serum. If the serum didn't work on Steve Steve, they'd have put all that effort into a physical weakling who couldn't do much of anything. If it failed on Hodge they'd still have a soldier who could fight, and if it worked he'd be more powerful than Steve with the serum.



* T'Challa ends up every bit the [[MemeticBadass legendary outlaw]] that Sacred Timeline Peter Quill ''wishes'' he was. Why? Because even when he’s light years away from his kingdom, he’s still noble to his core.

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* T'Challa ends up every bit the [[MemeticBadass legendary outlaw]] that Sacred Timeline Peter Quill ''wishes'' he was. Why? Because even when he’s light years lightyears away from his kingdom, he’s still noble to his core.



* Any extremely powerful character introduced in later films that had been around before the events of Age of Ultron can also be assumed to be dead. As the episode shows, that includes Captain Marvel, but that also includes ones from phase 4 films and shows, such as the Eternals, Celestials, Clandestines, any of the gods in Love and Thunder [[spoiler:(perhaps including even Eternity, if The Watcher was also at risk)]].

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* Any extremely powerful character introduced in later films that had been around before the events of Age of Ultron can also be assumed to be dead. As the episode shows, that includes Captain Marvel, but that also includes ones from phase 4 films and shows, such as the Eternals, Celestials, Clandestines, any of the gods in Love and Thunder [[spoiler:(perhaps including even Eternity, if The the Watcher was also at risk)]].



* Kilmonger might not be able to hurt anyone anymore, but with him out of his own universe, there's no way to bring him justice, and no immediate hope to end the American-Wakandan war peacefully.

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* Kilmonger Killmonger might not be able to hurt anyone anymore, but with him out of his own universe, there's no way to bring him justice, and no immediate hope to end the American-Wakandan war peacefully.



*** Alternatively, Uatu knows that Ultron would wipe out the horde, and so was using the Zombies as fodder, meaning naturally he wouldn't take the few survivors of the Zombie Apacolypse to die at Ultron's hands.

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*** Alternatively, Uatu knows that Ultron would wipe out the horde, and so was using the Zombies zombies as fodder, meaning naturally he wouldn't take the few survivors of the Zombie Apacolypse ZombieApocalypse to die at Ultron's hands.



* If one thinks about it, the results of Arnim Zola getting his hands on the Infinity Stones could've been worse than one would expect. While Killmonger certainly intends to use the Stones for his own selfish agenda, and by possessing Infinity Ultron's armor he can evidently wield the Stones in multiple realities as Ultron had, the Stones' potential would probably be limited since Killmonger can solely use them to augment himself (or rather the armor he's wearing) into a god when taking them outside of their native universe. Zola is from the exact same universe as Infinity Ultron was and he's also a technological being with god-like powers at his disposal. So it's not out of the question to think Zola could use the Stones' full potential on their native universe to reshape it in a single sweep into a world where HYDRA dominates everything, just as the Sacred Timeline Thanos was able to use his universe's Stones to cause the Snap there in a single move; without any of the drawbacks Thanos had when trying to use them all at once.

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* If one thinks about it, the results of Arnim Zola getting his hands on the Infinity Stones could've been worse than one would expect. While Killmonger certainly intends to use the Stones for his own selfish agenda, and by possessing Infinity Ultron's armor he can evidently wield the Stones in multiple realities as Ultron had, the Stones' potential would probably be limited since Killmonger can solely use them to augment himself (or rather the armor he's wearing) into a god when taking them outside of their native universe. Zola is from the exact same universe as Infinity Ultron was was, controlling a body from that same universe, and he's also a technological being with god-like powers at his disposal. So it's not out of the question to think Zola could use the Stones' full potential on their native universe to reshape it in a single sweep into a world where HYDRA dominates everything, just as the Sacred Timeline Thanos was able to use his universe's Stones to cause the Snap there in a single move; without any of the drawbacks Thanos had when trying to use them all at once.
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** Crosses into FridgeHorror, every single person who warned Strange gave vague premonitions and basically told him to stop because they knew better than him. What did Mordo do? Angrily point out all the [[RealityBreakingParadox paradoxes]] that could've occurred if Strange had proceeded down his path ("Temporal manipulations can create branches in time. Unstable dimensional openings. Spatial paradoxes! Time loops! You wanna get stuck reliving the same moment over and over forever, or never having existed at all?"). Strange's universe may have been saved if someone had just told him outright what would happen and led to to follow a different path to his quest.

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** Crosses into FridgeHorror, every single person who warned Strange gave vague premonitions and basically told him to stop because they knew better than him. What did Mordo do? Angrily point out all the [[RealityBreakingParadox paradoxes]] that could've occurred if Strange had proceeded down his path ("Temporal manipulations can create branches in time. Unstable dimensional openings. Spatial paradoxes! Time loops! You wanna get stuck reliving the same moment over and over forever, or never having existed at all?"). Strange's universe may have been saved if someone had just told him outright what would happen and led to to follow a different path to his quest.

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