History Fridge / Twilight

6th Oct '17 10:44:57 PM Stevebob
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** Not to mention that it's kind of hard to take a supposedly dangerous, bloodsucking predator seriously when they're glittering like a disco ball.
1st Oct '17 12:00:13 PM SeptimusHeap
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** ''InterviewWithTheVampire'' actually mentions this in-book, saying that no-one knows if vampires die upon being burned.

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** ''InterviewWithTheVampire'' ''Literature/InterviewWithTheVampire'' actually mentions this in-book, saying that no-one knows if vampires die upon being burned.
3rd Sep '17 7:11:44 PM starofjusticev21
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*** It's actually explained why they prefer other predators. It's because ''they like the way bear blood and mountain lion blood tastes more than deer blood.'' Our heroes.
2nd Aug '17 8:54:25 PM ThatSpyChick
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** Actually the books specifically say that the werewolves run several degrees warmer than humans. They don't wear shirts because they're always warm. It's made relevant to the plot when Jacob has to share a sleeping bag with Bella to prevent her freezing to death.

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** Actually the books specifically say that the werewolves run several degrees warmer than humans. They don't wear shirts because they're always warm. It's made relevant to the plot when Jacob has to share a sleeping bag with Bella to prevent keep her from freezing to death.



*** Yes..applying laws of science in a fantasy book about sparkling vampires with pyschic powers and shapeshifting wolves...

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*** Yes..Yes... applying laws of science in a fantasy book about sparkling vampires with pyschic powers and shapeshifting wolves...



* I hated the first half of the novel ''Literature/{{Twilight}}'' because there was too much of Bella obsessing over Edward. I thought it was hokey and dull adolescent literature crap. Then the second half of the novel was more interesting than the first. After I finished the fridge brilliance hit me: Edward is a vampire. He drives women crazy with how beautiful he is - it's a part of him being a predator. Bella spent the first half of the book trying to understand WHY she was so obsessed with Edward.
** On the subject of ''Literature/{{Twilight}}'' and vampires-as-predators; the whole "sparkling" thing. At first, it just seemed, well, kind of silly. I mean, why? But then I remembered the whole little speech about being the "perfect predator," and it made sense. The sparkling is a lure for future victims; after all, ridiculous or not, wouldn't ''you'' do a double take if you saw someone sparkling? And people who are less wise (someone like Bella, for example) would probably go check out what's going on, leading to an easy way to get prey without causing a whole mess of attention. It's still a little odd to me, but it's no longer gratuitous.

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* I hated the first half of the novel ''Literature/{{Twilight}}'' because there was too much of Bella obsessing over Edward. I thought it was hokey and dull adolescent literature crap. Then the second half of the novel was more interesting than the first. After I finished finished, the fridge brilliance hit me: Edward is a vampire. He drives women crazy with how beautiful he is - it's a part of him being a predator. Bella spent the first half of the book trying to understand WHY she was so obsessed with Edward.
** On the subject of ''Literature/{{Twilight}}'' and vampires-as-predators; vampires-as-predators: the whole "sparkling" thing. At first, it just seemed, well, kind of silly. I mean, why? But then I remembered the whole little speech about being the "perfect predator," and it made sense. The sparkling is a lure for future victims; after all, ridiculous or not, wouldn't ''you'' do a double take if you saw someone sparkling? And people who are less wise (someone like Bella, for example) would probably go check out what's going on, leading to an easy way to get prey without causing a whole mess of attention. It's still a little odd to me, but it's no longer gratuitous.



*** The only problem is, Edward addresses his perfection as a luring predator, and then mentions that everyone but Bella finds him and the rest of the Cullens crazy amounts of creepy. He returns to that point frequently, that she's so unusual for wanting to be anywhere near him or any other vampire. I guess this means that vampires prefer the blood of people experiencing Lust Induced Brain Freeze?

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*** The only problem is, is that Edward addresses his perfection as a luring predator, and then mentions that everyone but Bella finds him and the rest of the Cullens crazy amounts of creepy. He returns to that point frequently, that she's so unusual for wanting to be anywhere near him or any other vampire. I guess this means that vampires prefer the blood of people experiencing Lust Induced Brain Freeze?



*** Also, that completely and totally ignores the whole friggin point of vampires having to stay out of the sunlight. The sunlight is supposed to be detrimental to vampires not make them even better killing machines! It's their weakness and having that weakness is an essential part of [[strike: all vampire lore]] vampire lore post-1922. I think this one is more a case of Meyer's habit of thinking that writing a perfect character is better than writing a character with flaws or weaknesses.

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*** Also, that completely and totally ignores the whole friggin point of vampires having to stay out of the sunlight. The sunlight is supposed to be detrimental to vampires vampires, not make them even better killing machines! It's their weakness and having that weakness is an essential part of [[strike: all vampire lore]] vampire lore post-1922. I think this one is more a case of Meyer's habit of thinking that writing a perfect character is better than writing a character with flaws or weaknesses.



*** I always thought that their sparkliness was a weakness. Instead of bursting into flames, they sparkled. While it does not cause death, the sparkling would require more investigation and more investigation means the world finds out about vampires.
*** Except that people ''not'' believing in vampires is a fairly recent phenomenon, from an historical perspective.
*** The main problem this troper has with the sparkling is that it breaks one of the two traits that the vast majority (if not all. Hey, I am only on the L's in the vampire dictionary right now. Give me a break, this book is thick) of vampires have: A strong attachment to the night. Sparkling like diamonds in the sun isn't exactly creature of the night material... And although it could be dismissed as OurVampiresAreDifferent, considering all the other deviations you gotta wonder where the line is when something should stop being called a vampire and instead be like... a angel/faerie/SOMETHING instead. This led to this troper's fridge brilliance moment when she realized that the novels would have been a whole lot more kick butt if instead of vampires, the Cullen's and their ilk were gods like the Greek or other polytheistic ones. Shining/sparkling when revealing themselves to a mortal? Check the myth of Dionysis's mother! Requiring blood sacrifice? Well, the Inca gods needed it. And let us not forget immortality and [[DoubleStandardRapeDivineOnMortal creepy courting maneuvers...]] Sparkling would almost be awesome in this case.
** One thing this troper hated about the ''Twilight'' series is how every character, from the leads like Bella, Edward and Jacob, to the BigBad of Eclipse, Victoria, and her right-hand-man, Riley, to the eponymous character of ''The Short Second Life of Bree Tanner'', are cripplingly motivated by "love". Bella is catatonic for four months when Edward leaves her; Edward tries to kill himself when he thinks Bella is dead; Jacob tries to kill himself when he finds out Bella and Edward are married; Victoria assembles a newborn army to avenge her mate, James; Riley follows Victoria to his own demise, loving her and believing that she loves him; and Bree Tanner, a newborn, overrides her most powerful instinct - self-preservation - when she realizes that Diego , who she has known all of two days, is dead. It made me sick to see how pathetic they all became...but then I realized, Stephnie Meyer is writing about a world where true love, real love, love worth fighting and dying for, actually exists. And suddenly, I was glad for it. [[SomeAnvilsNeedTobeDropped Because, what's wrong with that?]] --MollyWalker
*** Yeh, what's wrong with thinking that a man who stalks you, breaks into your house, watches you while you sleep without your knowledge, breaks your car to stop you from going to see your friends, threatens to commit suicide if you ever leave him, badly hurts you during sex, tries to force you to have an abortion (and mind, this troper's pro-choice, but that's the point, pro-''choice''), wants to murder you all the time and drink your blood, abandons you to four months of hell knowing full well you're creepy obsessed and will go crazy, [[{{Anvilicious}} forces you to marry him against your wishes in order to have sex with him]] and become a vampire even though you're barely legal, carries on a dangerous relationship with you in full knowledge that if you so much as trip, you're almost-literal toast, and has murdered quite a lot of people in the past is totally romantic? People these days, so cynical.
*** [[SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped What's wrong with that is that that's not the way the real world works at all, and teaching impressionable adolescent girls to be morons at young ages over what they think must be true love because they read it in the perfect perfection of perfectness that is Twilight is a really bad idea?]]

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*** I always thought that their sparkliness was a weakness. Instead of bursting into flames, they sparkled. While it does not cause death, the sparkling would require more investigation investigation, and more investigation means that the world finds out about vampires.
*** Except that people ''not'' believing in vampires is a fairly recent phenomenon, from an a historical perspective.
*** The main problem this troper has with the sparkling is that it breaks one of the two traits that the vast majority (if not all. Hey, I am only on the L's in the vampire dictionary right now. Give me a break, this book is thick) of vampires have: A a strong attachment to the night. Sparkling like diamonds in the sun isn't exactly creature of the night material... And although it could be dismissed as OurVampiresAreDifferent, considering all the other deviations deviations, you gotta wonder where the line is when something should stop being called a vampire and instead be like... a angel/faerie/SOMETHING instead. This led to this troper's fridge brilliance moment when she realized that the novels would have been a whole lot more kick butt if instead of vampires, the Cullen's and their ilk were gods like the Greek or other polytheistic ones. Shining/sparkling when revealing themselves to a mortal? Check the myth of Dionysis's mother! Requiring blood sacrifice? Well, the Inca gods needed it. And let us not forget immortality and [[DoubleStandardRapeDivineOnMortal creepy courting maneuvers...]] Sparkling would almost be awesome in this case.
** One thing this troper hated about the ''Twilight'' series is how every character, from the leads like Bella, Edward and Jacob, to the BigBad of Eclipse, Victoria, and her right-hand-man, Riley, to the eponymous character of ''The Short Second Life of Bree Tanner'', are cripplingly motivated by "love". Bella is catatonic for four months when Edward leaves her; Edward tries to kill himself when he thinks Bella is dead; Jacob tries to kill himself when he finds out Bella and Edward are married; Victoria assembles a newborn army to avenge her mate, James; Riley follows Victoria to his own demise, loving her and incorrectly believing that she loves him; and Bree Tanner, a newborn, overrides her most powerful instinct - self-preservation - (self-preservation) when she realizes that Diego , Diego, who she has known all of two days, is dead. It made me sick to see how pathetic they all became...but But then I realized, Stephnie realized that Stephanie Meyer is writing about a world where true love, real love, love worth fighting and dying for, actually exists. And suddenly, I was glad for it. [[SomeAnvilsNeedTobeDropped Because, what's wrong with that?]] --MollyWalker
*** Yeh, what's wrong with thinking that a man who stalks you, breaks into your house, watches you while you sleep without your knowledge, breaks your car to stop you from going to see your friends, threatens to commit suicide if you ever leave him, badly hurts you during sex, tries to force you to have an abortion (and mind, this troper's pro-choice, but that's the point, pro-''choice''), wants to murder you all the time and drink your blood, abandons you to four months of hell while knowing full well you're creepy obsessed and will go crazy, crazy because of it, [[{{Anvilicious}} forces you to marry him against your wishes in order to have sex with him]] and become a vampire even though you're barely legal, carries on a dangerous relationship with you in full knowledge that if you so much as trip, you're almost-literal almost literal toast, and has murdered quite a lot of people in the past is totally romantic? People these days, days; so cynical.
*** [[SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped What's wrong with that is that that's it's not the way the real world works at all, and teaching impressionable adolescent girls to be morons at young ages over what they think must be true love because they read it in the perfect perfection of perfectness that is Twilight is a really bad idea?]]
21st Jul '17 11:26:14 AM SallyShears
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* Think about what Stephanie Meyer's portrayal of "true love" and "normal" relationships implies about her own upbringing and subculture. And the culture of some of the hardcore fans who see nothing abusive in Edward and Bella or Sam and Emily's relationship. Keep in mind that many average conservative Christians highly disapprove of the shallow and abusive idea of "love" in this book. Exactly what type of "family values" do Meyer and her fans come from? We probably don't want to know.
28th Jun '17 11:23:41 AM AnonFangeekGirl
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* So vampires in this verse are extremely cold. So cold that when Bella is cuddling with Edward she's shivering even with a blanket wrapped around her! When they had sex while she was human wouldn't he probably freeze her? Or cause frostbite? Wouldn't it be more painful than pleasurable? Also wouldn't his junk essentially act like a ice box for his sperm, constantly keeping it frozen thus making it impossible for her to get pregnant? My brain hurts.

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* So vampires in this verse are extremely cold. So cold that when Bella is cuddling with Edward she's shivering even with a blanket wrapped around her! When they had sex while she was human wouldn't he probably freeze her? Or cause frostbite? Wouldn't it be more painful than pleasurable? Also wouldn't his junk essentially act like a ice box for his sperm, constantly keeping it frozen thus making it impossible for her to get pregnant? My brain hurts.hurts.
* So imprinting is intended to get the best mate for the new generation of wolves. Age isn't an issue, and species isn't an issue (since Jacob imprinted on Renesmee, a half-vampire). Does that mean that werewolves can imprint on wolves and/or dogs, since they would be able to have sex with them in wolf form?
28th Jun '17 2:46:09 AM SergeshD123
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*** This is a fridge brilliance section, dude, it's where we explain things logically.
26th Jun '17 5:47:54 PM SallyShears
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* Edward's controlling nature makes sense given the WordOfGod/Fanon rule that becoming a vampire locks you in the mental state of your death. Rosalie was "defiled" right before her wedding, and thus is obsessed with marriage, babies, and looking her best; Jasper was seduced by evil vampire women, so it's safe to say he died happy, hence his happy nature as a vampire; Alice likewise was too brain-fried to care about anything when she became a vampire, hence her bubbly nature; Emmet's death was simply a tragedy of nature, hence why he doesn't have any huge trauma or bitterness, but does pick fights with bears; Esme is obsessively maternal, because she tried to kill herself after losing a baby; and Edward? He died in an epidemic. He wasn't murdered, or killed by an animal he could fight, but slowly being killed and watching everyone around him be killed by an insidious force he couldn't ''control at all.'' So he compensates by trying to control Bella. Yikes!
13th Jun '17 10:03:44 PM nombretomado
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** Those things are nice, but 'technology' is often misleading in war. The most complicated, expensive, and recently-produced device is not always the best - and this would not be a Conventional or Limited War. Such expensive, resource-intensive, hard-to-maintain devices could never be the chief weapons of the world's war effort. It would be a Guerilla War like The Philippines, North China, Cuba, Belarus, Afghanistan - and a Total War like WorldWarOne or WorldWarTwo. Centres of government and administration, utilities and transport, and the munitions factories and petroleum industries needed to continue the war would all be horribly vulnerable and frankly impossible to defend alongside the entire civilian population. Either large areas and populations would have to go undefended, or lightly-armed militia (coupled with a willingness to devastate huge areas with the use of fire-support regardless of civilian deaths and maimings) would have to be a stop-gap before they received sufficient heavy weapons 2-10 years after the mobilisation to a Total War World Economy - and this is assuming that the vehicle-portable heavy weapons are even able to hit and kill the damned creatures in the first place. If they are not, then the fighting would have to depend on fire-support up to and perhaps including tactical nuclear weapons. Victory over the Vampires could be possible, but the world would have much if not most of its people killed in the toughest and biggest unconventional war humanity had ever executed.

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** Those things are nice, but 'technology' is often misleading in war. The most complicated, expensive, and recently-produced device is not always the best - and this would not be a Conventional or Limited War. Such expensive, resource-intensive, hard-to-maintain devices could never be the chief weapons of the world's war effort. It would be a Guerilla War like The Philippines, North China, Cuba, Belarus, Afghanistan - and a Total War like WorldWarOne UsefulNotes/WorldWarI or WorldWarTwo.UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. Centres of government and administration, utilities and transport, and the munitions factories and petroleum industries needed to continue the war would all be horribly vulnerable and frankly impossible to defend alongside the entire civilian population. Either large areas and populations would have to go undefended, or lightly-armed militia (coupled with a willingness to devastate huge areas with the use of fire-support regardless of civilian deaths and maimings) would have to be a stop-gap before they received sufficient heavy weapons 2-10 years after the mobilisation to a Total War World Economy - and this is assuming that the vehicle-portable heavy weapons are even able to hit and kill the damned creatures in the first place. If they are not, then the fighting would have to depend on fire-support up to and perhaps including tactical nuclear weapons. Victory over the Vampires could be possible, but the world would have much if not most of its people killed in the toughest and biggest unconventional war humanity had ever executed.
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