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30th Apr '18 6:46:22 PM crazysamaritan
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* I had a moment where I looked into the hypothetical fridge and thought: "James really did everything Edward said he wanted to do. Wait a minute..." Maybe, just maybe, James and Victoria are meant to represent [[JekyllAndHyde Edward and Bella]] - only their dark side. They are and do everything Bella and Edward wish they could do and be: James drinks human blood, and he gets to hurt and try to kill Bella. (If you don't think Edward wanted to do this, reread the chapter Confessions in {{Twilight}}.) Victoria is a mated vampire, who by all accounts has wild, passionate, unmarital sex with her mate. (If you think Bella's wishes were deeper than this, you never read the Twilight Saga.) Even their talents are mirrored: No one can hide their thoughts from mindreader Edward, as much as no one can hide physically from tracker James; Bella's gifts allow her to hide her thoughts, even from Edward, whereas Victoria's gift is hiding, physically, and as such being uncatchable. (For all we know it even works on James.)

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* I had a moment where I looked into the hypothetical fridge and thought: "James really did everything Edward said he wanted to do. Wait a minute..." Maybe, just maybe, James and Victoria are meant to represent [[JekyllAndHyde Edward and Bella]] - only their dark side. They are and do everything Bella and Edward wish they could do and be: James drinks human blood, and he gets to hurt and try to kill Bella. (If you don't think Edward wanted to do this, reread the chapter Confessions in {{Twilight}}.''{{Literature/Twilight}}''.) Victoria is a mated vampire, who by all accounts has wild, passionate, unmarital sex with her mate. (If you think Bella's wishes were deeper than this, you never read the Twilight Saga.) Even their talents are mirrored: No one can hide their thoughts from mindreader Edward, as much as no one can hide physically from tracker James; Bella's gifts allow her to hide her thoughts, even from Edward, whereas Victoria's gift is hiding, physically, and as such being uncatchable. (For all we know it even works on James.)
18th Jan '18 6:22:16 PM Tesseract
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** Actually the books specifically say that the werewolves run several degrees warmer than humans. They don't wear shirts because they're always warm. It's made relevant to the plot when Jacob has to share a sleeping bag with Bella to keep her from freezing to death.
*** Which turns this into ''FridgeLogic'' - if the shapeshifters/wolf boys really run several degrees warmer, they would naturally be inclined toward wearing more clothing, not less, because it would mean there's a much larger difference between their body temperature and the temperature around them. Think about how cold you get when you're running a fever. And the wolf boys live in Washington. They should be chattering away at all times - it's not like they have any body fat to help keep them feeling warm.
*** Yes... applying laws of science in a fantasy book about sparkling vampires with pyschic powers and shapeshifting wolves...
*** This is a fridge brilliance section, dude, it's where we explain things logically.
*** It passes the time, that and Meyer started doing it first.
*** That would work as a justification if the books hadn't tried to explain it scientifically to begin with.

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** Actually the books specifically say that the werewolves run several degrees warmer than humans. They don't wear shirts because they're always warm. [[note]]Presumably it's like getting warm after exercising (werewolves heat up because their bodies are working harder, and so they want to wear fewer clothes in order to shed the extra heat), and not like running a fever (the ideal temperature for a werewolf is not actually several degrees warmer than the ideal temperature for a human, and so they will not actually want to wear more clothes so that their bodies work less hard to keep them warm).[[/note]] It's made relevant to the plot when Jacob has to share a sleeping bag with Bella to keep her from freezing to death.
*** Which turns this into ''FridgeLogic'' - if the shapeshifters/wolf boys really run several degrees warmer, they would naturally be inclined toward wearing more clothing, not less, because it would mean there's a much larger difference between their body temperature and the temperature around them. Think about how cold you get when you're running a fever. And the wolf boys live in Washington. They should be chattering away at all times - it's not like they have any body fat to help keep them feeling warm.
*** Yes... applying laws of science in a fantasy book about sparkling vampires with pyschic powers and shapeshifting wolves...
*** This is a fridge brilliance section, dude, it's where we explain things logically.
*** It passes the time, that and Meyer started doing it first.
*** That would work as a justification if the books hadn't tried to explain it scientifically to begin with.
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6th Oct '17 10:44:57 PM Stevebob
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6th Oct '17 10:44:54 PM Stevebob
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** Not to mention that it's kind of hard to take a supposedly dangerous, bloodsucking predator seriously when they're glittering like a disco ball.
1st Oct '17 12:00:13 PM SeptimusHeap
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** ''InterviewWithTheVampire'' actually mentions this in-book, saying that no-one knows if vampires die upon being burned.

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** ''InterviewWithTheVampire'' ''Literature/InterviewWithTheVampire'' actually mentions this in-book, saying that no-one knows if vampires die upon being burned.
3rd Sep '17 7:11:44 PM starofjusticev21
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*** It's actually explained why they prefer other predators. It's because ''they like the way bear blood and mountain lion blood tastes more than deer blood.'' Our heroes.
2nd Aug '17 8:54:25 PM ThatSpyChick
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** Actually the books specifically say that the werewolves run several degrees warmer than humans. They don't wear shirts because they're always warm. It's made relevant to the plot when Jacob has to share a sleeping bag with Bella to prevent her freezing to death.

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** Actually the books specifically say that the werewolves run several degrees warmer than humans. They don't wear shirts because they're always warm. It's made relevant to the plot when Jacob has to share a sleeping bag with Bella to prevent keep her from freezing to death.



*** Yes..applying laws of science in a fantasy book about sparkling vampires with pyschic powers and shapeshifting wolves...

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*** Yes..Yes... applying laws of science in a fantasy book about sparkling vampires with pyschic powers and shapeshifting wolves...



* I hated the first half of the novel ''Literature/{{Twilight}}'' because there was too much of Bella obsessing over Edward. I thought it was hokey and dull adolescent literature crap. Then the second half of the novel was more interesting than the first. After I finished the fridge brilliance hit me: Edward is a vampire. He drives women crazy with how beautiful he is - it's a part of him being a predator. Bella spent the first half of the book trying to understand WHY she was so obsessed with Edward.
** On the subject of ''Literature/{{Twilight}}'' and vampires-as-predators; the whole "sparkling" thing. At first, it just seemed, well, kind of silly. I mean, why? But then I remembered the whole little speech about being the "perfect predator," and it made sense. The sparkling is a lure for future victims; after all, ridiculous or not, wouldn't ''you'' do a double take if you saw someone sparkling? And people who are less wise (someone like Bella, for example) would probably go check out what's going on, leading to an easy way to get prey without causing a whole mess of attention. It's still a little odd to me, but it's no longer gratuitous.

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* I hated the first half of the novel ''Literature/{{Twilight}}'' because there was too much of Bella obsessing over Edward. I thought it was hokey and dull adolescent literature crap. Then the second half of the novel was more interesting than the first. After I finished finished, the fridge brilliance hit me: Edward is a vampire. He drives women crazy with how beautiful he is - it's a part of him being a predator. Bella spent the first half of the book trying to understand WHY she was so obsessed with Edward.
** On the subject of ''Literature/{{Twilight}}'' and vampires-as-predators; vampires-as-predators: the whole "sparkling" thing. At first, it just seemed, well, kind of silly. I mean, why? But then I remembered the whole little speech about being the "perfect predator," and it made sense. The sparkling is a lure for future victims; after all, ridiculous or not, wouldn't ''you'' do a double take if you saw someone sparkling? And people who are less wise (someone like Bella, for example) would probably go check out what's going on, leading to an easy way to get prey without causing a whole mess of attention. It's still a little odd to me, but it's no longer gratuitous.



*** The only problem is, Edward addresses his perfection as a luring predator, and then mentions that everyone but Bella finds him and the rest of the Cullens crazy amounts of creepy. He returns to that point frequently, that she's so unusual for wanting to be anywhere near him or any other vampire. I guess this means that vampires prefer the blood of people experiencing Lust Induced Brain Freeze?

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*** The only problem is, is that Edward addresses his perfection as a luring predator, and then mentions that everyone but Bella finds him and the rest of the Cullens crazy amounts of creepy. He returns to that point frequently, that she's so unusual for wanting to be anywhere near him or any other vampire. I guess this means that vampires prefer the blood of people experiencing Lust Induced Brain Freeze?



*** Also, that completely and totally ignores the whole friggin point of vampires having to stay out of the sunlight. The sunlight is supposed to be detrimental to vampires not make them even better killing machines! It's their weakness and having that weakness is an essential part of [[strike: all vampire lore]] vampire lore post-1922. I think this one is more a case of Meyer's habit of thinking that writing a perfect character is better than writing a character with flaws or weaknesses.

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*** Also, that completely and totally ignores the whole friggin point of vampires having to stay out of the sunlight. The sunlight is supposed to be detrimental to vampires vampires, not make them even better killing machines! It's their weakness and having that weakness is an essential part of [[strike: all vampire lore]] vampire lore post-1922. I think this one is more a case of Meyer's habit of thinking that writing a perfect character is better than writing a character with flaws or weaknesses.



*** I always thought that their sparkliness was a weakness. Instead of bursting into flames, they sparkled. While it does not cause death, the sparkling would require more investigation and more investigation means the world finds out about vampires.
*** Except that people ''not'' believing in vampires is a fairly recent phenomenon, from an historical perspective.
*** The main problem this troper has with the sparkling is that it breaks one of the two traits that the vast majority (if not all. Hey, I am only on the L's in the vampire dictionary right now. Give me a break, this book is thick) of vampires have: A strong attachment to the night. Sparkling like diamonds in the sun isn't exactly creature of the night material... And although it could be dismissed as OurVampiresAreDifferent, considering all the other deviations you gotta wonder where the line is when something should stop being called a vampire and instead be like... a angel/faerie/SOMETHING instead. This led to this troper's fridge brilliance moment when she realized that the novels would have been a whole lot more kick butt if instead of vampires, the Cullen's and their ilk were gods like the Greek or other polytheistic ones. Shining/sparkling when revealing themselves to a mortal? Check the myth of Dionysis's mother! Requiring blood sacrifice? Well, the Inca gods needed it. And let us not forget immortality and [[DoubleStandardRapeDivineOnMortal creepy courting maneuvers...]] Sparkling would almost be awesome in this case.
** One thing this troper hated about the ''Twilight'' series is how every character, from the leads like Bella, Edward and Jacob, to the BigBad of Eclipse, Victoria, and her right-hand-man, Riley, to the eponymous character of ''The Short Second Life of Bree Tanner'', are cripplingly motivated by "love". Bella is catatonic for four months when Edward leaves her; Edward tries to kill himself when he thinks Bella is dead; Jacob tries to kill himself when he finds out Bella and Edward are married; Victoria assembles a newborn army to avenge her mate, James; Riley follows Victoria to his own demise, loving her and believing that she loves him; and Bree Tanner, a newborn, overrides her most powerful instinct - self-preservation - when she realizes that Diego , who she has known all of two days, is dead. It made me sick to see how pathetic they all became...but then I realized, Stephnie Meyer is writing about a world where true love, real love, love worth fighting and dying for, actually exists. And suddenly, I was glad for it. [[SomeAnvilsNeedTobeDropped Because, what's wrong with that?]] --MollyWalker
*** Yeh, what's wrong with thinking that a man who stalks you, breaks into your house, watches you while you sleep without your knowledge, breaks your car to stop you from going to see your friends, threatens to commit suicide if you ever leave him, badly hurts you during sex, tries to force you to have an abortion (and mind, this troper's pro-choice, but that's the point, pro-''choice''), wants to murder you all the time and drink your blood, abandons you to four months of hell knowing full well you're creepy obsessed and will go crazy, [[{{Anvilicious}} forces you to marry him against your wishes in order to have sex with him]] and become a vampire even though you're barely legal, carries on a dangerous relationship with you in full knowledge that if you so much as trip, you're almost-literal toast, and has murdered quite a lot of people in the past is totally romantic? People these days, so cynical.
*** [[SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped What's wrong with that is that that's not the way the real world works at all, and teaching impressionable adolescent girls to be morons at young ages over what they think must be true love because they read it in the perfect perfection of perfectness that is Twilight is a really bad idea?]]

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*** I always thought that their sparkliness was a weakness. Instead of bursting into flames, they sparkled. While it does not cause death, the sparkling would require more investigation investigation, and more investigation means that the world finds out about vampires.
*** Except that people ''not'' believing in vampires is a fairly recent phenomenon, from an a historical perspective.
*** The main problem this troper has with the sparkling is that it breaks one of the two traits that the vast majority (if not all. Hey, I am only on the L's in the vampire dictionary right now. Give me a break, this book is thick) of vampires have: A a strong attachment to the night. Sparkling like diamonds in the sun isn't exactly creature of the night material... And although it could be dismissed as OurVampiresAreDifferent, considering all the other deviations deviations, you gotta wonder where the line is when something should stop being called a vampire and instead be like... a angel/faerie/SOMETHING instead. This led to this troper's fridge brilliance moment when she realized that the novels would have been a whole lot more kick butt if instead of vampires, the Cullen's and their ilk were gods like the Greek or other polytheistic ones. Shining/sparkling when revealing themselves to a mortal? Check the myth of Dionysis's mother! Requiring blood sacrifice? Well, the Inca gods needed it. And let us not forget immortality and [[DoubleStandardRapeDivineOnMortal creepy courting maneuvers...]] Sparkling would almost be awesome in this case.
** One thing this troper hated about the ''Twilight'' series is how every character, from the leads like Bella, Edward and Jacob, to the BigBad of Eclipse, Victoria, and her right-hand-man, Riley, to the eponymous character of ''The Short Second Life of Bree Tanner'', are cripplingly motivated by "love". Bella is catatonic for four months when Edward leaves her; Edward tries to kill himself when he thinks Bella is dead; Jacob tries to kill himself when he finds out Bella and Edward are married; Victoria assembles a newborn army to avenge her mate, James; Riley follows Victoria to his own demise, loving her and incorrectly believing that she loves him; and Bree Tanner, a newborn, overrides her most powerful instinct - self-preservation - (self-preservation) when she realizes that Diego , Diego, who she has known all of two days, is dead. It made me sick to see how pathetic they all became...but But then I realized, Stephnie realized that Stephanie Meyer is writing about a world where true love, real love, love worth fighting and dying for, actually exists. And suddenly, I was glad for it. [[SomeAnvilsNeedTobeDropped Because, what's wrong with that?]] --MollyWalker
*** Yeh, what's wrong with thinking that a man who stalks you, breaks into your house, watches you while you sleep without your knowledge, breaks your car to stop you from going to see your friends, threatens to commit suicide if you ever leave him, badly hurts you during sex, tries to force you to have an abortion (and mind, this troper's pro-choice, but that's the point, pro-''choice''), wants to murder you all the time and drink your blood, abandons you to four months of hell while knowing full well you're creepy obsessed and will go crazy, crazy because of it, [[{{Anvilicious}} forces you to marry him against your wishes in order to have sex with him]] and become a vampire even though you're barely legal, carries on a dangerous relationship with you in full knowledge that if you so much as trip, you're almost-literal almost literal toast, and has murdered quite a lot of people in the past is totally romantic? People these days, days; so cynical.
*** [[SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped What's wrong with that is that that's it's not the way the real world works at all, and teaching impressionable adolescent girls to be morons at young ages over what they think must be true love because they read it in the perfect perfection of perfectness that is Twilight is a really bad idea?]]
21st Jul '17 11:26:14 AM SallyShears
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* Think about what Stephanie Meyer's portrayal of "true love" and "normal" relationships implies about her own upbringing and subculture. And the culture of some of the hardcore fans who see nothing abusive in Edward and Bella or Sam and Emily's relationship. Keep in mind that many average conservative Christians highly disapprove of the shallow and abusive idea of "love" in this book. Exactly what type of "family values" do Meyer and her fans come from? We probably don't want to know.
28th Jun '17 11:23:41 AM AnonFangeekGirl
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* So vampires in this verse are extremely cold. So cold that when Bella is cuddling with Edward she's shivering even with a blanket wrapped around her! When they had sex while she was human wouldn't he probably freeze her? Or cause frostbite? Wouldn't it be more painful than pleasurable? Also wouldn't his junk essentially act like a ice box for his sperm, constantly keeping it frozen thus making it impossible for her to get pregnant? My brain hurts.

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* So vampires in this verse are extremely cold. So cold that when Bella is cuddling with Edward she's shivering even with a blanket wrapped around her! When they had sex while she was human wouldn't he probably freeze her? Or cause frostbite? Wouldn't it be more painful than pleasurable? Also wouldn't his junk essentially act like a ice box for his sperm, constantly keeping it frozen thus making it impossible for her to get pregnant? My brain hurts.hurts.
* So imprinting is intended to get the best mate for the new generation of wolves. Age isn't an issue, and species isn't an issue (since Jacob imprinted on Renesmee, a half-vampire). Does that mean that werewolves can imprint on wolves and/or dogs, since they would be able to have sex with them in wolf form?
28th Jun '17 2:46:09 AM SergeshD123
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*** This is a fridge brilliance section, dude, it's where we explain things logically.
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