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* Malvolio is a puritan. In Shakespeare's day the Puritans were trying to ban the theatre. So for a playwright and a theatre-going audience, he'd have been much more of an AcceptableTarget than he seems to be today.
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* Malvolio is a puritan. In Shakespeare's day the Puritans were trying to ban the theatre. So for a playwright and a theatre-going audience, he'd have been much more of an AcceptableTarget acceptable target than he seems to be today.
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** It actually ''does'' come up: Olivia calls him "Cesario" when she first sees him and he never says anything about it. Given that Sebastian has a monologue (albeit a brief one) that essentially amounts to him saying "I have no idea what's going on - whether I'm mad or she's mad or the entire world is mad - but I've got the most beautiful woman I've ever seen throwing herself at me and I'd be an idiot to pass this up", it's very likely that he just never actually bothered correcting her certainly before or during the ceremony; whether he even bothered to try and set her straight is up for each individual production to decide but the clear implication judging from Olivia's behaviour once Viola shows up is that Sebastian ''hasn't'' bothered to try and correct her at all and has just been enjoying the benefits of the situation. Some productions even specifically have Olivia reacting in shock when Antonio calls him "Sebastian".
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* Why is Maria able to write very like Olivia, such that Malvolio mistakes her handwriting for that of their mistress? Olivia might well have been the one who taught Maria how to write, and Maria learned by copying Olivia's handwriting.
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* The romance between Viola and the Duke Orsino seems a little... mm, lackluster, overly convenient, it seems to pale beside the romance between [[LesYay Viola and Olivia.]] And yet, while I was in the middle of writing about ''Twelfth Night'' for an essay test, it occurred to me that Orsino starts off the play as a real EmoTeen with this over-idealized idea about love, and what Viola does -- plucky, brave, outspoken Viola -- is she shows him that love doesn't have to be this train of sighs and pun-making -- it's about friendship and confidence and being happy with someone else, and ''doing'' things for the person you love. And suddenly ''it all fit.'' And I had a great essay. -- {{Vifetoile}}, proud Twelfth Night fangirl.
* When I watched this, it was strange to me that Sebastian can defeat not only Andrew, but also Toby so easily - Toby does seem as somebody practical and actually should be a good fighter. But then it occurred to me: he had more experience with brawls than with regular fencing fight, he was drunk, and most importantly, he ''still'' assumed "Cesario" was a coward - he completely underestimated Sebastian, otherwise he wouldn't get involved into fight at all! -- SS13
* A classmate wondered why Feste didn't notice that Viola was a girl if he's the smartest character in the play. The teacher said he didn't care, but I said that it was [[ItAmusedMe too fun for him to break up]]. That, and he figured out that she has a reason for it.
* When I watched this, it was strange to me that Sebastian can defeat not only Andrew, but also Toby so easily - Toby does seem as somebody practical and actually should be a good fighter. But then it occurred to me: he had more experience with brawls than with regular fencing fight, he was drunk, and most importantly, he ''still'' assumed "Cesario" was a coward - he completely underestimated Sebastian, otherwise he wouldn't get involved into fight at all! -- SS13
* A classmate wondered why Feste didn't notice that Viola was a girl if he's the smartest character in the play. The teacher said he didn't care, but I said that it was [[ItAmusedMe too fun for him to break up]]. That, and he figured out that she has a reason for it.
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* The romance between Viola and the Duke Orsino initially seems a little... mm, lackluster, little lackluster and overly convenient, convenient; it seems to pale beside the romance between [[LesYay Viola and Olivia.]] And yet, while I was in the middle of writing about ''Twelfth Night'' for yet there's an essay test, it occurred to me occurrence that Orsino starts off the play as a real EmoTeen with this over-idealized idea about love, and what Viola does -- plucky, brave, outspoken Viola -- is she shows him that love doesn't have to be this train of sighs and pun-making -- it's about friendship and confidence and being happy with someone else, and ''doing'' things for the person you love. And suddenly ''it all fit.'' And I had a great essay. -- {{Vifetoile}}, proud Twelfth Night fangirl.
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*A classmate wondered It's a pondering on why Feste didn't notice that Viola was a girl if he's the smartest character in the play. The teacher said he didn't care, but I said that it was [[ItAmusedMe too fun for him to break up]]. That, and he figured out that she has a reason for it.
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** I imagine she kept calling him Cesario and he kept saying, "that's not my name" but she refused to listen and in the end, because of the absurdity of his situation and his loneliness he just went with it.
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** I imagine It's been imagined that she kept calling him Cesario and he kept saying, "that's not my name" but she refused to listen and in the end, because of the absurdity of his situation and his loneliness he just went with it.
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* Malvolio is a puritan. In Shakespeare's day the Puritans were trying to ban the theatre. So for a playwright and a theatre-going audience, he'd have been much more of an AcceptableTarget than he seems to be today.
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* [[strike: This UnknownTroper]] has always loved Creator/WilliamShakespeare's ''Theatre/TwelfthNight'', more for familiarity's sake than anything else, but always found the romance between Viola and the Duke Orsino to be a little... mm, lackluster, overly convenient, it seems to pale beside the romance between [[LesYay Viola and Olivia.]] And yet, while I was in the middle of writing about ''Twelfth Night'' for an essay test, it occurred to me that Orsino starts off the play as a real EmoTeen with this over-idealized idea about love, and what Viola does -- plucky, brave, outspoken Viola -- is she shows him that love doesn't have to be this train of sighs and pun-making -- it's about friendship and confidence and being happy with someone else, and ''doing'' things for the person you love. And suddenly ''it all fit.'' And I had a great essay. -- {{Vifetoile}}, proud Twelfth Night fangirl
* When I watched this , it was strange to me that Sebastian can defeat not only Andrew , but also Toby so easily - Toby does seem as somebody practical and actually should be a good fighter. But then it occurred to me: he had more experience with brawls than with regular fencing fight, he was drunk, and most importantly, he ''still'' assumed "Cesario" was a coward - he completely underestimated Sebastian, otherwise he wouldn't get involved into fight at all! -- SS13
* When I watched this , it was strange to me that Sebastian can defeat not only Andrew , but also Toby so easily - Toby does seem as somebody practical and actually should be a good fighter. But then it occurred to me: he had more experience with brawls than with regular fencing fight, he was drunk, and most importantly, he ''still'' assumed "Cesario" was a coward - he completely underestimated Sebastian, otherwise he wouldn't get involved into fight at all! -- SS13
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* [[strike: This UnknownTroper]] has always loved Creator/WilliamShakespeare's ''Theatre/TwelfthNight'', more for familiarity's sake than anything else, but always found the The romance between Viola and the Duke Orsino to be seems a little... mm, lackluster, overly convenient, it seems to pale beside the romance between [[LesYay Viola and Olivia.]] And yet, while I was in the middle of writing about ''Twelfth Night'' for an essay test, it occurred to me that Orsino starts off the play as a real EmoTeen with this over-idealized idea about love, and what Viola does -- plucky, brave, outspoken Viola -- is she shows him that love doesn't have to be this train of sighs and pun-making -- it's about friendship and confidence and being happy with someone else, and ''doing'' things for the person you love. And suddenly ''it all fit.'' And I had a great essay. -- {{Vifetoile}}, proud Twelfth Night fangirl
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** There's also the possibility that she just kept calling him things like "my love" and such, never actually referring to him by name.
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** There's also the possibility that she just kept calling him things like "my love" and such, never actually referring to him by name.name.
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* When I watched this , it was strange to me that Sebastian can defeat not only Andrew , but also Toby so easily - Toby does seem as somebody practical and actually should be a good fighter. But then it occured to me: he had more experience with brawls than with regular fencing fight, he was drunk, and most importantly, he ''still'' assumed "Cesario" was a coward - he completely underestimated Sebastian, otherwise he wouldn't get involved into fight at all! -- SS13
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* When I watched this , it was strange to me that Sebastian can defeat not only Andrew , but also Toby so easily - Toby does seem as somebody practical and actually should be a good fighter. But then it occured occurred to me: he had more experience with brawls than with regular fencing fight, he was drunk, and most importantly, he ''still'' assumed "Cesario" was a coward - he completely underestimated Sebastian, otherwise he wouldn't get involved into fight at all! -- SS13
* A classmate wondered why Feste didn't notice that Viola was a girl if he's the smartest character in the play. The teacher said he didn't care, but I said that it was [[ItAmusedMe too fun for him to break up]]. That, and he figured out that she has a reason for it.
* A classmate wondered why Feste didn't notice that Viola was a girl if he's the smartest character in the play. The teacher said he didn't care, but I said that it was [[ItAmusedMe too fun for him to break up]]. That, and he figured out that she has a reason for it.
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** I imagine she kept calling him Cesario and he kept saying, "that's not my name" but she refused to listen and in the end, because of the absurdity of his situation and his loneliness he just went with it.
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** I imagine she kept calling him Cesario and he kept saying, "that's not my name" but she refused to listen and in the end, because of the absurdity of his situation and his loneliness he just went with it.it.
** There's also the possibility that she just kept calling him things like "my love" and such, never actually referring to him by name.
** There's also the possibility that she just kept calling him things like "my love" and such, never actually referring to him by name.
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* Another Olivia-and-Sebastian plot hole: how did they get married without the subject of Sebastian/Cesario's ''name'' coming up?
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* Another Olivia-and-Sebastian plot hole: how did they get married without the subject of Sebastian/Cesario's ''name'' coming up?up?
** I imagine she kept calling him Cesario and he kept saying, "that's not my name" but she refused to listen and in the end, because of the absurdity of his situation and his loneliness he just went with it.
** I imagine she kept calling him Cesario and he kept saying, "that's not my name" but she refused to listen and in the end, because of the absurdity of his situation and his loneliness he just went with it.
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* Another Olivia-and-Sebastian plothole: how did they get married without the subject of Sebastian/Cesario's name coming up?
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* Another Olivia-and-Sebastian plothole: plot hole: how did they get married without the subject of Sebastian/Cesario's name ''name'' coming up?
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* When I watched this , it was strange to me that Sebastian can defeat not only Andrew , but also Toby so easily - Toby does seem as somebody practical and actually should be a good fighter. But then it occured to me: he had more experience with brawls than with regular fencing fight, he was drunk, and most importantly, he ''still'' asuumed "Cesario" was a coward - he completely underestimated Sebastian, otherwise he wouldn't get involved into fight at all! -- SS13
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* When I watched this , it was strange to me that Sebastian can defeat not only Andrew , but also Toby so easily - Toby does seem as somebody practical and actually should be a good fighter. But then it occured to me: he had more experience with brawls than with regular fencing fight, he was drunk, and most importantly, he ''still'' asuumed assumed "Cesario" was a coward - he completely underestimated Sebastian, otherwise he wouldn't get involved into fight at all! -- SS13
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** Cesario is described to Olivia as a boy, and not a eunuch. And it's up to interpretation just ''what'' the two of them get up to in between meeting and marrying. It could have just been a lot of kissing and a tour of the grounds.
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** Cesario is described to Olivia as a boy, and not a eunuch. And it's up to interpretation just ''what'' the two of them get up to in between meeting and marrying. It could have just been a lot of kissing and a tour of the grounds.grounds.
* Another Olivia-and-Sebastian plothole: how did they get married without the subject of Sebastian/Cesario's name coming up?
* Another Olivia-and-Sebastian plothole: how did they get married without the subject of Sebastian/Cesario's name coming up?
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* In the original text and in the productions when Viola joins Orsino's court not just masquerading as a boy but as 'an eunuch' - wouldn't Olivia have noticed Sebastian was pretty much *ahem*, intact?
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* In the original text and in the productions when Viola joins Orsino's court not just masquerading as a boy but as 'an eunuch' - wouldn't Olivia have noticed Sebastian was pretty much *ahem*, intact?intact?
** Cesario is described to Olivia as a boy, and not a eunuch. And it's up to interpretation just ''what'' the two of them get up to in between meeting and marrying. It could have just been a lot of kissing and a tour of the grounds.
** Cesario is described to Olivia as a boy, and not a eunuch. And it's up to interpretation just ''what'' the two of them get up to in between meeting and marrying. It could have just been a lot of kissing and a tour of the grounds.
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* When I watched this , it was strange to me that Sebastian can defeat not only Andrew , but also Toby so easily - Toby does seem as somebody practical and actually should be a good fighter. But then it occured to me: he had more experience with brawls than with regular fencing fight, he was drunk, and most importantly, he ''still'' asuumed "Cesario" was a coward - he completely underestimated Sebastian, otherwise he wouldn't get involved into fight at all! -- SS13
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* When I watched this , it was strange to me that Sebastian can defeat not only Andrew , but also Toby so easily - Toby does seem as somebody practical and actually should be a good fighter. But then it occured to me: he had more experience with brawls than with regular fencing fight, he was drunk, and most importantly, he ''still'' asuumed "Cesario" was a coward - he completely underestimated Sebastian, otherwise he wouldn't get involved into fight at all! -- SS13SS13
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* In the original text and in the productions when Viola joins Orsino's court not just masquerading as a boy but as 'an eunuch' - wouldn't Olivia have noticed Sebastian was pretty much *ahem*, intact?
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* In the original text and in the productions when Viola joins Orsino's court not just masquerading as a boy but as 'an eunuch' - wouldn't Olivia have noticed Sebastian was pretty much *ahem*, intact?
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* [[strike: This UnknownTroper]] has always loved {{Shakespeare}}'s ''Theatre/TwelfthNight'', more for familiarity's sake than anything else, but always found the romance between Viola and the Duke Orsino to be a little... mm, lackluster, overly convenient, it seems to pale beside the romance between [[LesYay Viola and Olivia.]] And yet, while I was in the middle of writing about ''Twelfth Night'' for an essay test, it occurred to me that Orsino starts off the play as a real EmoTeen with this over-idealized idea about love, and what Viola does -- plucky, brave, outspoken Viola -- is she shows him that love doesn't have to be this train of sighs and pun-making -- it's about friendship and confidence and being happy with someone else, and ''doing'' things for the person you love. And suddenly ''it all fit.'' And I had a great essay. -- {{Vifetoile}}, proud Twelfth Night fangirl
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* [[strike: This UnknownTroper]] has always loved {{Shakespeare}}'s Creator/WilliamShakespeare's ''Theatre/TwelfthNight'', more for familiarity's sake than anything else, but always found the romance between Viola and the Duke Orsino to be a little... mm, lackluster, overly convenient, it seems to pale beside the romance between [[LesYay Viola and Olivia.]] And yet, while I was in the middle of writing about ''Twelfth Night'' for an essay test, it occurred to me that Orsino starts off the play as a real EmoTeen with this over-idealized idea about love, and what Viola does -- plucky, brave, outspoken Viola -- is she shows him that love doesn't have to be this train of sighs and pun-making -- it's about friendship and confidence and being happy with someone else, and ''doing'' things for the person you love. And suddenly ''it all fit.'' And I had a great essay. -- {{Vifetoile}}, proud Twelfth Night fangirl
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* [[strike: This UnknownTroper]] has always loved {{Shakespeare}}'s ''TwelfthNight'', more for familiarity's sake than anything else, but always found the romance between Viola and the Duke Orsino to be a little... mm, lackluster, overly convenient, it seems to pale beside the romance between [[LesYay Viola and Olivia.]] And yet, while I was in the middle of writing about ''Twelfth Night'' for an essay test, it occurred to me that Orsino starts off the play as a real EmoTeen with this over-idealized idea about love, and what Viola does -- plucky, brave, outspoken Viola -- is she shows him that love doesn't have to be this train of sighs and pun-making -- it's about friendship and confidence and being happy with someone else, and ''doing'' things for the person you love. And suddenly ''it all fit.'' And I had a great essay. -- {{Vifetoile}}, proud Twelfth Night fangirl
* When I watched this , it was strange to me that Sebastian can defeat not only Andrew , but also Toby so easily - Toby does seem as somebody practical and actually should be a good fighter. But then it occured to me: he had more experience with brawls than with regular fencing fight, he was drunk, and most importantly, he ''still'' asuumed "Cesario" was a coward - he completely underestimated Sebastian, otherwise he wouldn't get involved into fight at all! -- SS13
* When I watched this , it was strange to me that Sebastian can defeat not only Andrew , but also Toby so easily - Toby does seem as somebody practical and actually should be a good fighter. But then it occured to me: he had more experience with brawls than with regular fencing fight, he was drunk, and most importantly, he ''still'' asuumed "Cesario" was a coward - he completely underestimated Sebastian, otherwise he wouldn't get involved into fight at all! -- SS13
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* When I watched this , it was strange to me that Sebastian can defeat not only Andrew , but also Toby so easily - Toby does seem as somebody practical and actually should be a good fighter. But then it occured to me: he had more experience with brawls than with regular fencing fight, he was drunk, and most importantly, he ''still'' asuumed "Cesario" was a coward - he completely underestimated Sebastian, otherwise he wouldn't get involved into fight at all! -- SS13
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* When I watched this , it was strange to me that Sebastian can defeat not only Andrew , but also Toby so easily - Toby does seem as somebody practical and actually should be a good fighter. But then it occured to me: he had more experience with brawls than with regular fencing fight, he was drunk, and most importantly, he ''still'' asuumed "Cesario" was a coward - he completely underestimated Sebastian, otherwise he wouldn't get involved into fight at all! -- SS13
