History Fridge / Thor

2nd May '16 3:41:37 PM RileyTaker
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** To add to this, Loki's line about "paying Jane a visit" may have been about more than just riling up Thor to fight him; he needs Thor to lose his focus on stopping the Bifrost.
16th Mar '16 8:33:55 PM DevilEyes
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** Except for the fact that nothing in the above paragraph, other than Richard being the younger brother of Edward IV and being shorter and thinner than him, is based on actual historical facts or contemporary accounts or analyses. Instead, it's either pure invention of later historical fiction writers and proven wrong by actual facts, e.g. Edward was not golden-haired, he had brown hair (as seen in all contemporary and near contemporary portraits of him, as well as the hair found in his grave when it was opened in the 18th century), while Richard was not dark and had medium brown hair and grey blue eyes; or it is not found in any contemporary accounts but is a later invention of Tudor era historians who basically switched the characterizations of Richard and his brother George, Duke of Clarence (Richard never showed any signs of being jealous of Edward, nor did any contemporaries think he was - while George was obviously ambitious and showed jealousy of both his elder brother Edward, whom he tried to depose, and of his younger brother Richard, whose power and influence he tried to reduce, opposing Richard's marriage to Anne Neville and trying to keep Anne under his control, so all of her mother's lands would pass on exclusively to George's wife - Anne's elder sister Isabel, and therefore to George himself. Even though George should have probably felt lucky with what he had, having in mind he had rebelled against and betrayed Edward, switched sides and was forgiven, while Richard had remained loyal to Edward). Or it is something that has never been mentioned or suggested by any historian or even fiction writer, namely: nobody has ever suggested that Richard was a changeling or illegitimate - in fact, he was the one whose paternity nobody ever doubted, due to his strong resemblance to his father Richard, Duke of York (which was noted by contemporaries). It was Edward whose paternity was doubted, since there were rumors (spread by his enemies, king Louis XI of France, his cousin Warwick "the Kingmaker" and his brother George) that he was supposedly illegitimate and born of his mother's supposed adultery with an archer.

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** Except for the fact that nothing in the above paragraph, other than Richard being the younger brother of Edward IV and being shorter and thinner than him, is based on actual historical facts or contemporary accounts or analyses. (And being less physically imposing than Edward did not stop Richard from being a renowned warrior just like his brother. In fact, he loved war and fighting, and was particularly known for his decisive, bold and risky decisions in battles and in politics, not for caution or long term strategy.) Instead, it's it either pure belongs to the category of myths about Richard III that are invention of later historical fiction writers and proven wrong by actual facts, e.g. Edward was not golden-haired, he had brown hair (as seen in all contemporary and near contemporary portraits of him, as well as the hair found in his grave when it was opened in the 18th century), while Richard was not dark and had medium brown hair and grey blue eyes; or it is not found in any contemporary accounts but is a later invention of Tudor era historians who basically switched the characterizations of Richard and his brother George, Duke of Clarence (Richard never showed any signs of being jealous of Edward, nor did any contemporaries think he was - while George was obviously ambitious and showed jealousy of both his elder brother Edward, whom he tried to depose, and of his younger brother Richard, whose power and influence he tried to reduce, opposing Richard's marriage to Anne Neville and trying to keep Anne under his control, so all of her mother's lands would pass on exclusively to George's wife - Anne's elder sister Isabel, and therefore to George himself. Even though George should have probably felt lucky with what he had, having in mind he had rebelled against and betrayed Edward, switched sides and was forgiven, while Richard had remained loyal to Edward). Or it Finally, the idea that Richard was illegitimate or a changeling is something that has never been mentioned or suggested by any historian or historian, not even fiction writer, namely: nobody has ever suggested that Richard was a changeling or illegitimate the most hostile ones - in fact, he was the one whose paternity nobody ever doubted, due to his strong resemblance to his father Richard, Duke of York (which York, which was noted by contemporaries).contemporaries. It was Edward whose paternity was doubted, since there were rumors (spread by his enemies, king Louis XI of France, his cousin Warwick "the Kingmaker" and his brother George) that he was supposedly illegitimate and born of his mother's supposed adultery with an archer.
16th Mar '16 8:17:56 PM DevilEyes
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** Except for the fact that nothing in the above paragraph, other than Richard being the younger brother of Edward IV and being shorter and thinner than him, is based on actual historical facts or contemporary accounts or analyses. Instead, it's either pure invention of later historical fiction writers and proven wrong by actual facts, e.g. Edward was not golden-haired, he had brown hair (as seen in all contemporary and near contemporary portraits of him, as well as the hair found in his grave when it was opened in the 18th century), while Richard was not dark and had medium brown hair and grey blue eyes; or it is not found in any contemporary accounts but is a later invention of Tudor era historians who basically switched the characterizations of Richard and his brother George, Duke of Clarence (Richard never showed any signs of being jealous of Edward, nor did any contemporaries think he was - while George was obviously ambitious and showed jealousy of both his elder brother Edward, whom he tried to depose, and of his younger brother Richard, whose power and influence he tried to reduce, opposing Richard's marriage to Anne Neville and trying to keep Anne under his control, so all of her mother's lands would pass on exclusively to George's wife - Anne's elder sister Isabel, and therefore to George himself. Even though George should have probably felt lucky with what he had, having in mind he had rebelled against and betrayed Edward, switched sides and was forgiven, while Richard had remained loyal to Edward). Or it is something that has never been mentioned or suggested by any historian or even fiction writer, namely: nobody has ever suggested that Richard was a changeling or illegitimate - in fact, he was the one whose paternity nobody ever doubted, due to his strong resemblance to his father Richard, Duke of York (which was noted by contemporaries). It was Edward whose paternity was doubted, since there were rumors (spread by his enemies, king Louis XI of France, his cousin Warwick "the Kingmaker" and his brother George) that he was supposedly illegitimate and born of his mother's supposed adultery with an archer.
16th Mar '16 4:15:13 PM MrCoolioPants
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**But let's be honest here. What guy doesn't call their friends or brothers this when bantering anyway.
16th Mar '16 4:10:04 PM MrCoolioPants
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* The casting of the black actor Idris Elba as Heimdall is very fitting, because in Norse mythology Heimdall is the ancestor of all mankind, and in RealLife [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolution#The_East_African_fossils humankind originated in Africa]].

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** Except Heimdall in described as being the whitest and palest of all the Gods in the mythology.
* The casting of the black actor Idris Elba as Heimdall is very fitting, because in Norse mythology Heimdall is the ancestor of all mankind, and in RealLife [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolution#The_East_African_fossils humankind originated in Africa]]. Africa]].
** Except Heimdall in described as being the whitest and palest of all the Gods in the mythology.
30th Nov '15 2:48:35 PM Aesmerda
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* A lot of the extreme or irresponsible reactions and behaviour of Thor and Loki, while actually in keeping with their mythological counterparts, can also be explained by their physical age versus their mental age. This troper calculated it a while ago: Loki implies in the sequel that Asgardians live for about five thousand years. Taking the average human life expectancy as roughly eighty years, and assuming that Asgardians mature mentally at a rate more or less proportional to their lifespan- like humans- 62.5 years for an Asgardian is roughly one year of human development. So assuming that Loki was born during or at the end of the war between Asgard and Jotunheim, circa 965 C.E., and that Thor as the older brother is a few years/decades older, both of them are actually only ''seventeen years old'' mentally. That explains a lot.
7th Oct '15 4:41:37 PM Discar
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** Also, when there's some kind of rampage approaching town and you're panicking, you're probably going to follow the directions of someone who seems like they understand what's happening, because if they get what's going on they're probably telling you what to do for a very good reason.
4th Oct '15 9:29:11 PM cassie5squared
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**Also, when there's some kind of rampage approaching town and you're panicking, you're probably going to follow the directions of someone who seems like they understand what's happening, because if they get what's going on they're probably telling you what to do for a very good reason.
11th Sep '15 6:37:40 AM RayAP9
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* Just before the fight between the Frost Giants and the Asgardians in the first act, Loki quickly accepts Laufey's offer to leave Jötunnheim without any quarrel. It appears to be a simple act of cowardice/pacifism to establish Loki's character as the opposite of [[BloodKnight Thor's]]. It could also have been Loki getting one up on Thor before he (Thor) could reject the offer-- with Loki speaking up immediately, Thor essentially [[SadisticChoice has to choose]] between starting a petty argument with his brother in front of his kingdom's enemy (which would make him look foolish), and walking away from a fight. He chooses the lesser of two evils, until Laufey calls Thor a "princess."\\

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* Just before the fight between the Frost Giants and the Asgardians in the first act, Loki quickly accepts Laufey's offer to leave Jötunnheim without any quarrel. It appears to be a simple act of cowardice/pacifism to establish Loki's character as the opposite of [[BloodKnight Thor's]]. It could also have been Loki showing his psychological acumen, getting one up on Thor before he (Thor) could reject the offer-- with Loki speaking up immediately, Thor essentially [[SadisticChoice has to choose]] between starting a petty argument with his brother in front of his kingdom's enemy (which would make him look foolish), foolish/imply discord within his family), and walking away from a fight. He chooses the lesser of two evils, [[TemptingFate until Laufey calls Thor a "princess."\\he's told to "Run back home, little princess."]]\\



Loki's reaction of "[[DeadpanSnarker Damn]]" was possibly his way of saying "I manipulated Thor into not fighting you, and you just blew it. [[SarcasmMode Congratulations]]." Also plays into the idea that Thor smiled when Laufey makes the "princess" comment because Thor is thinking something along the lines of "Yes, thank you for giving me a good reason to fight!"
* Also remember the one famous incident in mythology, where Thor had to dress as a woman in a wedding dress to get his hammer back. If the same incident happen in MCU, it would make sense for Thor to get super-piss off when he hears it, probably open an old wound.

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Loki's reaction of "[[DeadpanSnarker Damn]]" was possibly his way of saying "I manipulated Thor into not fighting you, and you just blew it. [[SarcasmMode Congratulations]]." Also plays into the idea that Thor smiled when Laufey makes after the "princess" comment because Thor is thinking something along the lines of "Yes, thank you for giving me a good reason to fight!"
* Also remember the one famous incident in mythology, where Thor had to dress as a woman in a wedding dress to get his hammer back. If the same incident happen happened in MCU, it would make sense for Thor to get super-piss super-pissed off when he hears it, probably open an old wound.
11th Sep '15 6:14:31 AM fbiuzz
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* Also remember the one famous incident in mythology, where Thor had to dress as a woman in a wedding dress to get his hammer back. If the same incident happen in MCU, it would make sense for Thor to get super-piss off when he hears it, probably open an old wound.
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