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* On various aspects of the show. Such as [[spoiler: why the show creator mentions talking to the creator of Lost. Why a sitcom only has 13-season which is far more typical of dramas, even with the modern practice of a short test season. Why he had mentioned that the show was heavily plotted out.]]

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* On various aspects of the show. Such as [[spoiler: why the show creator mentions talking to the creator of Lost. Why a sitcom only has 13-season a 13-episode season which is far more typical of dramas, even with the modern practice of a short test season. Why he had mentioned that the show was heavily plotted out.]]
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* Michael doesn't seem to know that Janet [[spoiler: regenerates after she "dies".]] This could be just him [[spoiler: pretending not to know to make the others feel more guilty,]] but it also makes sense if you realize [[spoiler: bad!Janet probably wouldn't have a kill switch, since it's only there in case good!Janet goes bad. Therefore, Michael, a bad place architect, probably never learned about what would happen if Janet ''were'' to die, like an actual good place architect likely would've.]]
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* Doug Forcett. A dumb stoner who get most of the afterlife right. [[spoiler: After TheReveal, look back at when we first met Jason. He's a dumb... something or other and indeed outlines some of the basic truths of the show. He thinks the place is a prank, etc.]]
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** Another important rule for Janet - [[spoiler: she's not allowed to answer any questions about the Bad Place. At first, it seems like a minor quirk designed to stop residents worrying too much about the other side of their peaceful afterlife; in retrospect, it's a necessary bit of reprogramming by Michael to stop anyone accidentally stumbling across the truth.]]

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** * Another important rule for Janet - [[spoiler: she's not allowed to answer any questions about the Bad Place. At first, it seems like a minor quirk designed to stop residents worrying too much about the other side of their peaceful afterlife; in retrospect, it's a necessary bit of reprogramming by Michael to stop anyone accidentally stumbling across the truth.]]
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* Consider the disasters that we were told happened as a result of Eleanor's selfish behavior: She stole shrimp, so shrimp fell from the sky. She cracked a joke about Ariana Grande, so Ariana Grande started playing in the neighborhoods. She shirked garbage duty and garbage fell from the sky. She smashed up cake, so a sinkhole opened. Notice: TheLastOfTheseIsNotLikeTheOthers. The first three results were all obviously linked to some action that Eleanor took, but it's hard to see how destroying cake relates to a sinkhole opening. TheReveal that [[spoiler: Michael was really orchestrating the disasters]] clears up the seeming inconsistently: [[spoiler: He was just doing whatever would cause the most problems for the main four. By establishing the pattern, Michael just made Eleanor believe she was behind it.]]

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* Consider the disasters that we were told happened as a result of Eleanor's selfish behavior: She stole shrimp, so shrimp fell from the sky. She cracked a joke about Ariana Grande, so Ariana Grande started playing in the neighborhoods. She shirked garbage duty and garbage fell from the sky. She smashed up cake, so a sinkhole opened. Notice: TheLastOfTheseIsNotLikeTheOthers. The first three results were all obviously linked to some action that Eleanor took, but it's hard to see how destroying cake relates to a sinkhole opening. TheReveal that [[spoiler: Michael was really orchestrating the disasters]] clears up the seeming inconsistently: inconsistency: [[spoiler: He was just doing whatever would cause the most problems for the main four. By establishing the pattern, Michael just made Eleanor believe she was behind it.]]
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* Consider the disasters that we were told happened as a result of Eleanor's selfish behavior: She stole shrimp, so shrimp fell from the sky. She cracked a joke about Ariana Grande, so Ariana Grande started playing in the neighborhoods. She shirked garbage duty and garbage fell from the sky. She smashed up cake, so a sinkhole opened. Notice: TheLastOfTheseIsNotLikeTheothers. The first three results were all obviously linked to some action that Eleanor took, but it's hard to see how destroying cake relates to a sinkhole opening. TheReveal that [[spoiler: Michael was really orchestrating the disasters]] clears up the seeming inconsistently: [[spoiler: He was just doing whatever would cause the most problems for the main four. By establishing the pattern, Michael just made Eleanor believe she was behind it.]]

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* Consider the disasters that we were told happened as a result of Eleanor's selfish behavior: She stole shrimp, so shrimp fell from the sky. She cracked a joke about Ariana Grande, so Ariana Grande started playing in the neighborhoods. She shirked garbage duty and garbage fell from the sky. She smashed up cake, so a sinkhole opened. Notice: TheLastOfTheseIsNotLikeTheothers.TheLastOfTheseIsNotLikeTheOthers. The first three results were all obviously linked to some action that Eleanor took, but it's hard to see how destroying cake relates to a sinkhole opening. TheReveal that [[spoiler: Michael was really orchestrating the disasters]] clears up the seeming inconsistently: [[spoiler: He was just doing whatever would cause the most problems for the main four. By establishing the pattern, Michael just made Eleanor believe she was behind it.]]

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** Another important rule for Janet - [[spoiler: she's not allowed to answer any questions about the Bad Place. At first, it seems like a minor quirk designed to stop residents worrying too much about the other side of their peaceful afterlife; in retrospect, it's a necessary bit of reprogramming by Michael to stop anyone accidentally stumbling across the truth.]]


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* In retrospect, [[spoiler: all of Michael's behaviour towards the 'real' humans was just taunting them in the guise of not fully understanding humanity. Aside from the behaviour explicitly called out in the finale, he does things like encouraging Chidi to take up hobbies that will directly trigger his anxieties around being alone, lost and working to deadlines; he ruins Tahani's parties (and even her 'Bad Place' summit meeting) by doing things like allowing demons to trash her home; he publically insults Tahani and blames her for causing Janet's death through her awful retirement party; he asks 'Jianyu' complicated multi-part questions despite his supposed vow of silence; he mocks all things human while pretending to be delighted by a new human form that we see, in flashbacks, he's had since long before this neighbourhood was created ("Suspenders! They're so ridiculous! So much stupider than belts!"). Basically, everything that seemed like sitcom-based 'wacky non-human accidentally says something inappropriate' jokes were actually him cruelly needling the others.]]
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* Consider the disasters that were told happened as a result of Eleanor's selfish behavior: She stole shrimp, so shrimp fell from the sky. She cracked a joke about Ariana Grande, so Ariana Grande started playing in the neighborhoods. She shirked garbage duty and garbage fell from the sky. She smashed up cake, so a sinkhole opened. Notice: TheLastOfTheseIsNotLikeTheothers. The first three results were all obviously linked to some action that Eleanor took, but it's hard to see how destroying cake relates to a sinkhole opening. TheReveal that [[spoiler: Michael was really orchestrating the disasters]] clears up the seeming inconsistently: [[spoiler: He was just doing whatever would cause the most problems for the main four. By establishing the pattern, Michael just made Eleanor believe she was behind it.]]

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* Consider the disasters that we were told happened as a result of Eleanor's selfish behavior: She stole shrimp, so shrimp fell from the sky. She cracked a joke about Ariana Grande, so Ariana Grande started playing in the neighborhoods. She shirked garbage duty and garbage fell from the sky. She smashed up cake, so a sinkhole opened. Notice: TheLastOfTheseIsNotLikeTheothers. The first three results were all obviously linked to some action that Eleanor took, but it's hard to see how destroying cake relates to a sinkhole opening. TheReveal that [[spoiler: Michael was really orchestrating the disasters]] clears up the seeming inconsistently: [[spoiler: He was just doing whatever would cause the most problems for the main four. By establishing the pattern, Michael just made Eleanor believe she was behind it.]]

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* In a somewhat humorous example, a lot of reviewers/commentators (i.e. on the AV Club) joked about the prominence of frozen yogurt in the Good Place, since as Michael himself notes, it's something that is more popular than actually liked. This detail seemed emblematic of the Good Place having a lot of HellOfAHeaven qualities. However, all of the frozen yogurt makes even more sense [[spoiler: as the kind of thing you would find in a Hell "pretending" to be Heaven- it's the same kind of idea as that old Got Milk commercial where Hell has delicious chocolte cookies but no milk]].

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* In a somewhat humorous example, a lot of reviewers/commentators (i.e. on the AV Club) joked about the prominence of frozen yogurt in the Good Place, since as Michael himself notes, it's something that is more popular than actually liked. This detail seemed emblematic of the Good Place having a lot of HellOfAHeaven qualities. However, all of the frozen yogurt makes even more sense [[spoiler: as the kind of thing you would find in a Hell "pretending" to be Heaven- it's the same kind of idea as that old Got Milk commercial where Hell has delicious chocolte chocolate cookies but no milk]].milk]].
* Consider the disasters that were told happened as a result of Eleanor's selfish behavior: She stole shrimp, so shrimp fell from the sky. She cracked a joke about Ariana Grande, so Ariana Grande started playing in the neighborhoods. She shirked garbage duty and garbage fell from the sky. She smashed up cake, so a sinkhole opened. Notice: TheLastOfTheseIsNotLikeTheothers. The first three results were all obviously linked to some action that Eleanor took, but it's hard to see how destroying cake relates to a sinkhole opening. TheReveal that [[spoiler: Michael was really orchestrating the disasters]] clears up the seeming inconsistently: [[spoiler: He was just doing whatever would cause the most problems for the main four. By establishing the pattern, Michael just made Eleanor believe she was behind it.]]

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* Related to the above, the InterchangeableAsianCultures mistake makes a lot more sense [[spoiler: once we learn it was deliberate and not a mistake]]. As we see with a lot of Trevor's behavior (i.e. telling women to smile more and taking off his shoes in public), [[spoiler: Bad Police staff like to engage in the same kind behavior which would get someone sent to the Bad Place, and confusing ethnicity, especially in a way that buys into stereotypes sounds like the kind of behavior that would lead to Bad Place points.]]



* In a somewhat humorous example, a lot of reviewers/commentators (i.e. on the AV Club) joked about the prominence of frozen yogurt in the Good Place, since as Michael himself notes, it's something that is more popular than actually liked. This detail seemed emblematic of the Good Place having a lot of HellOfAHeaven qualities. However, all of the frozen yogurt makes even more sense [[spoiler: as the kind of thing you would find in a Hell "pretending" to be Heaven- it's the same kind of idea as that old Got Milk commercial where Hell has delicious chocolte cookies but no milk]].



** Jianyu [[spoiler:is not a Taiwanese monk but a Filipino-American wannabe DJ named Jason Mendoza. He is an extremely sociable person who loves hanging out with others. In the neighborhood, however, he is given the ultimate man cave but is forced to keep it a secret and stay silent in order to prevent others from learning that he doesn't belong.]]
* Connected to the above bullet, as we see from Trevor, Bad Place denizens/staff engage in the kind of behavior that would get someone sent there in the first place (i.e. telling women to smile more; taking off his shoes and socks in public). So, it makes sense that the Bad Place would deliberately [[spoiler: confuse ethnicity and act like Asian cultures are interchangeable/force Jason into stereotypical behavior]], because those are also behaviors that would rack up Bad Place points.

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** Jianyu [[spoiler:is not a Taiwanese monk but a Filipino-American wannabe DJ named Jason Mendoza. He is an extremely sociable person who loves hanging out with others. In the neighborhood, however, he is given the ultimate man cave but is forced to keep it a secret and stay silent in order to prevent others from learning that he doesn't belong.]]
* Connected to the above bullet, as we see from Trevor, Bad Place denizens/staff engage in the kind of behavior that would get someone sent there in the first place (i.e. telling women to smile more; taking off his shoes and socks in public). So, it makes sense that the Bad Place would deliberately [[spoiler: confuse ethnicity and act like Asian cultures are interchangeable/force Jason into stereotypical behavior]], because those are also behaviors that would rack up Bad Place points.
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** Jianyu [[spoiler:is not a Taiwanese monk but a Filipino-American wannabe DJ named Jason Mendoza. He is an extremely sociable person who loves hanging out with others. In the neighborhood, however, he is given the ultimate man cave but is forced to keep it a secret and stay silent in order to prevent others from learning that he doesn't belong.]]

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** Jianyu [[spoiler:is not a Taiwanese monk but a Filipino-American wannabe DJ named Jason Mendoza. He is an extremely sociable person who loves hanging out with others. In the neighborhood, however, he is given the ultimate man cave but is forced to keep it a secret and stay silent in order to prevent others from learning that he doesn't belong.]]]]
* Connected to the above bullet, as we see from Trevor, Bad Place denizens/staff engage in the kind of behavior that would get someone sent there in the first place (i.e. telling women to smile more; taking off his shoes and socks in public). So, it makes sense that the Bad Place would deliberately [[spoiler: confuse ethnicity and act like Asian cultures are interchangeable/force Jason into stereotypical behavior]], because those are also behaviors that would rack up Bad Place points.
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* Mid-episode brilliance with [[spoiler: Mindy and her welcome video. There's a reason the Good Place spokesperson isn't Michael. Similarly, Michael saying that he'll have to murder Janet which, in hindsight, something out of character for a Good Place person.]]

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* Mid-episode brilliance with [[spoiler: Mindy and her welcome video. There's a reason the Good Place spokesperson isn't Michael. Similarly, Michael saying that he'll have to murder Janet which, in hindsight, something out of character for a Good Place person. And the seemingly offhanded remark from Michael's coworker about why anyone would ever flavor anti-matter with French vanilla.]]
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* On various aspects of the show. Such as [[spoiler: why the show creator mentions talking to the creator of Lost. Why a sitcom only has 13-season which is far more typical of dramas, even with the modern practice of a short test season. Why he had mentioned that the show was heavily plotted out.]]
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* Meta-one. All the Headscratchers? Yeah, they actually get addressed. The reason they're such headscratchers is... [[spoiler: they're really in the Bad Place which is exactly why such detailed inspection reveals some holes.]]
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* Mid-episode brilliance with [[spoiler: Mindy and her welcome video. There's a reason the Good Place spokesperson isn't Michael.]]

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* Mid-episode brilliance with [[spoiler: Mindy and her welcome video. There's a reason the Good Place spokesperson isn't Michael. Similarly, Michael saying that he'll have to murder Janet which, in hindsight, something out of character for a Good Place person.]]
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* Mid-episode brilliance with [[spoiler: Mindy and her welcome video. There's a reason the Good Place spokesperson isn't Michael.]]
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* Janet's inability to talk about people's search history. [[spoiler: It will inevitable become useful after TheReveal that they're really in the bad place as it will prevent Michael from simply asking Janet about the four. And as a legitimate Good Place being, she has powers that will likely prove useful.]]

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* Janet's inability to talk about people's search history. [[spoiler: It will inevitable become useful after TheReveal that they're really in the bad place as it will prevent Michael from simply asking Janet about the four. And as a legitimate Good Place being, she has powers that will likely prove useful.useful as well as, thanks to Jason, an intrinsic motivation to help them as it's unlikely she'll want to continue helping Michael once she discovers the truth.]]

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* Janet's inability to talk about people's search history. [[[spoiler: It will inevitable become useful after TheReveal that they're really in the bad place as it will prevent Michael from simply asking Janet about the four. And as a legitimate Good Place being, she has powers that will likely prove useful.]]

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* Janet's inability to talk about people's search history. [[[spoiler: [[spoiler: It will inevitable become useful after TheReveal that they're really in the bad place as it will prevent Michael from simply asking Janet about the four. And as a legitimate Good Place being, she has powers that will likely prove useful.]]
* Michael's talk about his retirement. [[spoiler: Assuming he was telling the truth, it makes LOADS more sense why he would be tortured for all eternity as opposed to being forgiven.
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* Janet's inability to talk about people's search history. [[[spoiler: It will inevitable become useful after TheReveal that they're really in the bad place as it will prevent Michael from simply asking Janet about the four. And as a legitimate Good Place being, she has powers that will likely prove useful.]]
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* In hindsight, Michael's willingness to literally KickTheDog was [[spoiler: an early sign of his villainous nature.]]
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* ''Only'' after seeing the season one finale, think about the 'fridge horror' on Jianyu: [[spoiler: It's funny when Eleanor outlines everyone's tortures and Jason chimes in about no one getting to see his man-cave, but think of it. The gregarious, outgoing party animal was ''forced into the role of a silent monk, which he had to keep up 24/7.'' Being forced to play Jianyu forever is ''indeed'' Jason's perfect torture and it's as good as everyone else's. Since Michael made up everything as a Bad Place engineer, ''there is no real Jianyu to have to imitate.'' It is indeed his sentence, his hell.]]

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* ''Only'' after seeing the season one finale, think about the 'fridge horror' on Jianyu: [[spoiler: It's funny when Eleanor outlines everyone's tortures and Jason chimes in about no one getting to see his man-cave, but think of it. The gregarious, outgoing party animal was ''forced into the role of a silent monk, which he had to keep up 24/7.'' Being forced to play Jianyu forever is ''indeed'' Jason's a perfect torture hell for someone like him - and it's as good as everyone else's. Since since Michael made up everything as a Bad Place engineer, ''there is no real Jianyu to have to imitate.'' It is indeed his sentence, his hell. Maybe Michael even threw that in ''because'' he'd otherwise suffer less than the others.]]
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*''Only'' after seeing the season one finale, think about the 'fridge horror' on Jianyu: [[spoiler: It's funny when Eleanor outlines everyone's tortures and Jason chimes in about no one getting to see his man-cave, but think of it. The gregarious, outgoing party animal was ''forced into the role of a silent monk, which he had to keep up 24/7.'' Being forced to play Jianyu forever is ''indeed'' Jason's perfect torture and it's as good as everyone else's. Since Michael made up everything as a Bad Place engineer, ''there is no real Jianyu to have to imitate.'' It is indeed his sentence, his hell.]]
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* Chidi is someone who has hurt people despite his tremendously good intentions, while Tahani is someone who has helped so many people, but with impure intentions. The fact that both [[spoiler:end up in The Bad Place illustrates that The Good Place takes account both intentions and consequences]].

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* Chidi is someone who has hurt people despite his tremendously good intentions, while Tahani is someone who has helped so many people, but with impure intentions. The fact that both [[spoiler:end up in The Bad Place illustrates that The Good Place the afterlife's selection system takes account both intentions and consequences]].
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* Chidi is someone who has hurt people despite his tremendously good intentions, while Tahani is someone who has helped so many people, but with impure intentions. The fact that both [[spoiler:end up in The Bad Place illustrates that The Good Place takes account both intentions and consequences]].
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* Michael seems to invest so much time in Eleanor, Chidi, Tahani and Jason compared to the other residents of Neighborhood 12358W. One might chalk it up to him being omnipresent, but it's more likely due to the fact that [[spoiler:all the other residents are fake.]]

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* Eleanor, Chidi, Tahani and Jason are the only residents of Neighborhood 12358W who have had flashbacks to their life on Earth. This makes sense considering [[spoiler:they're the only humans in the Neighborhood.]]

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* Eleanor, Chidi, Tahani and Jason are the only residents of Neighborhood 12358W who have had flashbacks to their life on Earth. This makes sense considering [[spoiler:they're the only humans in the Neighborhood.]]Neighborhood]].
* The PuritySue nature of the Neighboorhood's inhabitants makes more sense when you realize that [[spoiler:they're actually Bad Place people parodying good people]].
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* Eleanor, Chidi, Tahani and Jason are the only residents of Neighborhood 12358W who have had flashbacks to their life on Earth. This makes sense considering [[spoiler:they're the only humans in the Neighborhood.]]
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** Eleanor [[spoiler:is an arch-cynic who believes that no one does anything without a hidden[=/=]self-serving agenda and, while living, only looked out for herself at the expense of others. Within the neighborhood, she is surrounded by people who are apparently completely altruistic and is forced to try and pretend to be one herself although it goes against her very nature.]]

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** Eleanor [[spoiler:is an arch-cynic who believes that no one does anything without a hidden[=/=]self-serving agenda and, while living, only looked out for herself at the expense of others. Within the neighborhood, she is surrounded by people who are apparently completely altruistic and is forced to try and pretend to be one herself a PuritySue although it goes against her very nature.nature in order to try and stay in the neighborhood. Michael then preyed on her discomfort by teasing her with hints about the Bad Place while asking her to help him hunt herself.]]



** Tahani [[spoiler:is an extremely insecure person who only does things in the hopes of receiving validation from others. Every grand gesture she tries to make in the neighborhood, however, ends up a disaster and she "accidentally" learns that she has the second-lowest score among the residents, causing her to try even harder and fail even more.]]

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** Tahani [[spoiler:is an extremely insecure person who only does things in the hopes of receiving validation from others. Every grand gesture she tries to make in the neighborhood, however, ends up a disaster and she "accidentally" learns that she has the second-lowest score among the residents, causing her to try even harder and fail even more.more, and locking her into an endless cycle of failures, thus exacerbating her considerable anxiety.]]
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* Season 1 takes on an entirely different light after the revelations of Chapter 13 ("Michael's Gambit"), with various apparent inconsistencies within the plot and Neighborhood 12358W actually turning out to be carefully planted clues that lead to the discovery that [[spoiler: we've been in the Bad Place the entire time]].
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* Neighborhood 12358W is specially tailored to suit its residents as perfectly as possible.
** Eleanor [[spoiler:is an arch-cynic who believes that no one does anything without a hidden[=/=]self-serving agenda and, while living, only looked out for herself at the expense of others. Within the neighborhood, she is surrounded by people who are apparently completely altruistic and is forced to try and pretend to be one herself although it goes against her very nature.]]
** Chidi [[spoiler:is so concerned about being as morally and ethically upright as possible that he works himself into a frenzy over the tiniest of decisions, afraid of doing something that might offend someone. Finding himself having to help Eleanor and Jason he is practically locked in an ethical feedback loop as he internally debates between keeping their secret or reporting them to Michael]].
** Tahani [[spoiler:is an extremely insecure person who only does things in the hopes of receiving validation from others. Every grand gesture she tries to make in the neighborhood, however, ends up a disaster and she "accidentally" learns that she has the second-lowest score among the residents, causing her to try even harder and fail even more.]]
** Jianyu [[spoiler:is not a Taiwanese monk but a Filipino-American wannabe DJ named Jason Mendoza. He is an extremely sociable person who loves hanging out with others. In the neighborhood, however, he is given the ultimate man cave but is forced to keep it a secret and stay silent in order to prevent others from learning that he doesn't belong.]]

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