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5th Feb '18 1:21:08 AM Mandy232
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* Season 13 ep 2 When the angles in heaven [[spoiler:hit near Mary and Lucifer]] it only takes Lucifer a few seconds longer to back up (for what ever reason)Yet Lucifer doesn't step in and kill the guy [[spoiler:holding Mary at gun point when he is harassing her. He steps in when the man decides kill her.]] It doesn't take a lot to work out what the man was going to do before Mary pissed him off. He only needs her alive.
18th Nov '17 1:14:20 PM jedimaster91
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** The fact that there is no "J2" in that universe. Considering how close Jared, Jensen, and their families are in real life, a universe where Jared and Jensen don't even ''speak'' to each other outside of work is downright depressing.
12th Nov '17 6:29:00 PM karategal
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* In Bad Day At Black Rock, as soon as Sam loses his lucky rabbit foot - he's supposed to be utterly out of luck, meaning - Bela shooting him at the graveyard should have killed him, by the episode's (and rabbit's foot modus oprendi) logic. Yet, the bullet "barely grazes him". How come? Because the moment Dean picked up the foot - he became "the lucky one", thus, Sam's death became an impposible veriable. Since it was Dean's Lucky Day - Dean's "luck" overpowered Sam's Bad luck.

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* In Bad "Bad Day At Black Rock, Rock", as soon as Sam loses his lucky rabbit foot - -- he's supposed to be utterly out of luck, meaning - -- Bela shooting him at the graveyard should have killed him, by the episode's (and rabbit's foot modus oprendi) logic. Yet, the bullet "barely grazes him". How come? Because the moment Dean picked up the foot - -- he became "the lucky one", thus, Sam's death became an impposible veriable. Since it was Dean's Lucky Day - -- Dean's "luck" overpowered Sam's Bad luck.



* Why does [[spoiler: Jesse the Antichrist]] speak and act like such an adult when Sam and Dean first meet him? One would assume that it was due to the fact that his parents work all the time, and therefore he has to look after himself, but also because [[spoiler: anything the Antichrist believes becomes true]]. He thinks he is an adult, therefore he is one! Hence why his maturity level suddenly drops when he says to Sam "But I'm just a kid!" - he realizes he's just a child, cue sudden maturity decrease.

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* Why does [[spoiler: Jesse the Antichrist]] speak and act like such an adult when Sam and Dean first meet him? One would assume that it was due to the fact that his parents work all the time, and therefore he has to look after himself, but also because [[spoiler: anything the Antichrist believes becomes true]]. He thinks he is an adult, therefore he is one! Hence why his maturity level suddenly drops when he says to Sam "But I'm just a kid!" - -- he realizes he's just a child, cue sudden maturity decrease.



* While Sam and Dean's relationship is outright stated by Gabriel to mirror that of the archangels, the dialogue between Lucifer and Michael in the 5th season mimics [[NotSoDifferent the many arguments between Sam and Dean]] in Seasons 1 and 4: Michael is the obedient soldier who faults his brother for rebelling against their [[DisappearedDad missing father]], while Lucifer believes he is doing the only thing he can, following a bad road to stop something he sees as horrible, with little regard for everyone else involved.
** [[http://cocoalover1956.tumblr.com/post/52402601933/gaysealapproves-abouttimefortea Someone on tumblr]] also pointed out that there were a lot of similarities between Adam and Gabriel: "He was younger than both and he spent a great deal of time away from them, doing his own thing- his father was, uh, not so great at the whole ‘caring’ thing. He was pretty removed from the whole ‘dysfunctional family clusterfuck’; he kind of did his own thing for a while. [[spoiler: When he eventually got dragged into his brothers' fights, he initially did whatever he was told and was pro-apocalypse, but it was only because he thought it would bring him and his family peace. He eventually changed his mind and tried to fight against the angels and the apocalypse, but it… it didn’t end well. He died trying to take down Lucifer.]]"

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* While Sam and Dean's relationship is outright stated by Gabriel to mirror that of the archangels, the dialogue between Lucifer and Michael in the 5th fifth season mimics [[NotSoDifferent the many arguments between Sam and Dean]] in Seasons 1 and 4: Michael is the obedient soldier who faults his brother for rebelling against their [[DisappearedDad missing father]], while Lucifer believes he is doing the only thing he can, following a bad road to stop something he sees as horrible, with little regard for everyone else involved.
** [[http://cocoalover1956.tumblr.com/post/52402601933/gaysealapproves-abouttimefortea Someone on tumblr]] also pointed out that there were a lot of similarities between Adam and Gabriel: "He was younger than both and he spent a great deal of time away from them, doing his own thing- thing -- his father was, uh, not so great at the whole ‘caring’ thing. He was pretty removed from the whole ‘dysfunctional family clusterfuck’; he kind of did his own thing for a while. [[spoiler: When he eventually got dragged into his brothers' fights, he initially did whatever he was told and was pro-apocalypse, but it was only because he thought it would bring him and his family peace. He eventually changed his mind and tried to fight against the angels and the apocalypse, but it… it didn’t end well. He died trying to take down Lucifer.]]"



* Back in the season 2 episode "Croatoan," it turns out the whole thing was a test to see if Sam was immune to the Croatoan virus. In season 5, we find out Sam is Lucifer's vessel. A big part of Lucifer's endgame involves unleashing the Croatoan virus on the world. It sure would suck for Lucifer if his vessel got infected, wouldn't it?
** One must wonder if Azazel's Children was all a big scam from the get-go - specifically to train Sam for when he would become Lucifer's Vessel. Why did Azazel want Sam to win so badly anyway?

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* Back in the season Season 2 episode "Croatoan," it turns out the whole thing was a test to see if Sam was immune to the Croatoan virus. In season Season 5, we find out Sam is Lucifer's vessel. A big part of Lucifer's endgame involves unleashing the Croatoan virus on the world. It sure would suck for Lucifer if his vessel got infected, wouldn't it?
** One must wonder if Azazel's Children was all a big scam from the get-go - -- specifically to train Sam for when he would become Lucifer's Vessel. Why did Azazel want Sam to win so badly anyway?



*** My belief is that Azazel did know the entire Apocalypse scenario, and that his plan was a twofold Batman Gambit. Alastair mentioned in S4 that they needed a "righteous man" in Hell to break the first seal. Letting Sam get killed in the Boy-King Hunger Games (because let's face it, even with his hunter training, Sam wasn't much of a contender simply because his instinct is to rescue, not fight) was a good way to convince one of the elder Winchesters to make a crossroads deal to bring him back. This may even be why Azazel had a demon hit the Impala at the end of S1, which otherwise seems like a bad way to kill John and Dean without hurting Sam: Azazel was counting on John making the crossroads deal to save his son, which a) gets them a righteous man in Hell, and b) gives Dean an example to follow in case they couldn't break John - which is exactly what happened. And Lucifer's vessel is never really at risk, because either the plan works and Sam gets restored via crossroads deal, or it fails and Lucifer or one of the angels raises him anyway.

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*** My belief is that Azazel did know the entire Apocalypse scenario, and that his plan was a twofold Batman Gambit. Alastair mentioned in S4 that they needed a "righteous man" in Hell to break the first seal. Letting Sam get killed in the Boy-King Hunger Games (because let's face it, even with his hunter training, Sam wasn't much of a contender simply because his instinct is to rescue, not fight) was a good way to convince one of the elder Winchesters to make a crossroads deal to bring him back. This may even be why Azazel had a demon hit the Impala at the end of S1, which otherwise seems like a bad way to kill John and Dean without hurting Sam: Azazel was counting on John making the crossroads deal to save his son, which a) gets them a righteous man in Hell, and b) gives Dean an example to follow in case they couldn't break John - -- which is exactly what happened. And Lucifer's vessel is never really at risk, because either the plan works and Sam gets restored via crossroads deal, or it fails and Lucifer or one of the angels raises him anyway.



* Why didn't Mary remember [[spoiler: Dean's warnings about getting out of bed on November 2, 1983]] or [[spoiler: Azazel telling her he'd come to her house in ten years]] in time? After all, you'd think a hunter would remember warnings like that, especially as the big day approaches and her deal comes due. [[spoiler: Because Michael erases her memories in "The Song Remains the Same" - of the warnings and maybe even making the deal in the first place. Otherwise, she'd remember what was said and wouldn't get killed on the ceiling, John wouldn't take his kids on a crazy revenge mission, and the Apocalypse would be a no-go.]] It was only when she was face-to-face with the YED that she was [[spoiler: allowed to remember.]]

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* Why didn't Mary remember [[spoiler: Dean's warnings about getting out of bed on November 2, 1983]] or [[spoiler: Azazel telling her he'd come to her house in ten years]] in time? After all, you'd think a hunter would remember warnings like that, especially as the big day approaches and her deal comes due. [[spoiler: Because Michael erases her memories in "The Song Remains the Same" - -- of the warnings and maybe even making the deal in the first place. Otherwise, she'd remember what was said and wouldn't get killed on the ceiling, John wouldn't take his kids on a crazy revenge mission, and the Apocalypse would be a no-go.]] It was only when she was face-to-face with the YED that she was [[spoiler: allowed to remember.]]



** Speaking of "Mystery Spot," I'd always wondered how the Trickster did all that when earlier his powers had seemed to consist only of creating figments. Then, later, after I'd gotten through Season Five, it became clear: after all, what powers were necessary to create Sam's GroundhogDayLoop? Time travel, memory erasure, and the ability to bring people back from the dead. All powers later established as belonging not to a trickster, but to an ''angel.''

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** Speaking of "Mystery Spot," I'd always wondered how the Trickster did all that when earlier his powers had seemed to consist only of creating figments. Then, later, after I'd gotten through Season Five, 5, it became clear: after all, what powers were necessary to create Sam's GroundhogDayLoop? Time travel, memory erasure, and the ability to bring people back from the dead. All powers later established as belonging not to a trickster, but to an ''angel.''



** Rewatching that episode (and, to a lesser extent - Bedtime Stories and Red Sky At Morning), Dean is much less jerkier and far more creepier than I remember. In the manic moments, he's all ducky-lipped and bambi-eyed but that's just surface. Look underneath and [[StepfordSmiler there's nothing there]]. He still doesn't think he deserves to live, he's trying to get Sam to hate him/move on/forget about saving him and when he makes that "I'll think I'll play craps" line in "Red Sky At Morning", he's got a big smile but completely dead eyes. And it's only when Sam plays the little brother/it's all about me card in "Fresh Blood" that he gets a tiny bit better and starts opening up more. I still don't like watching it all that much, but I can begrudgingly admit that was very clever of them. Bastards. --{{Tropers/VAD}}

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** Rewatching that episode (and, to a lesser extent - -- Bedtime Stories and Red Sky At Morning), Dean is much less jerkier and far more creepier than I remember. In the manic moments, he's all ducky-lipped and bambi-eyed but that's just surface. Look underneath and [[StepfordSmiler there's nothing there]]. He still doesn't think he deserves to live, he's trying to get Sam to hate him/move on/forget about saving him and when he makes that "I'll think I'll play craps" line in "Red Sky At Morning", he's got a big smile but completely dead eyes. And it's only when Sam plays the little brother/it's all about me card in "Fresh Blood" that he gets a tiny bit better and starts opening up more. I still don't like watching it all that much, but I can begrudgingly admit that was very clever of them. Bastards. --{{Tropers/VAD}}



** On that same thought, I was really annoyed at the end of Season Five when [[spoiler: God brought Cas back and restored his angelic powers]] and he was so cold to Dean when he said goodbye. Two years of humanization and character development thrown out the window. Then I realized he was a [[spoiler: fully empowered angel]] again, so of course he wouldn't be as human.
* In the very first episode, when Mary sees that her husband has fallen asleep in front of the TV, she realizes that someone else must be in the nursery and hurls herself upstairs to protect her baby. Now, you'd think even a MamaBear would take a second to alert her husband (especially one as beefy as John) before confronting an intruder. But in season four, [[spoiler: we learn she was actually a hunter before John was, so she may have been even more capable than him of taking on whatever was up there]].

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** On that same thought, I was really annoyed at the end of Season Five 5 when [[spoiler: God brought Cas back and restored his angelic powers]] and he was so cold to Dean when he said goodbye. Two years of humanization and character development thrown out the window. Then I realized he was a [[spoiler: fully empowered angel]] again, so of course he wouldn't be as human.
* In the very first episode, when Mary sees that her husband has fallen asleep in front of the TV, she realizes that someone else must be in the nursery and hurls herself upstairs to protect her baby. Now, you'd think even a MamaBear would take a second to alert her husband (especially one as beefy as John) before confronting an intruder. But in season four, Season 4, [[spoiler: we learn she was actually a hunter before John was, so she may have been even more capable than him of taking on whatever was up there]].



** Speaking of that Christmas special, being a troper who actually lives in the metro-Detroit area (where Ypsilanti is nearby), I cracked up upon the revelation that [[spoiler: the sacrifices commenced by the pagan gods]] resulted in mild weather - in Michigan, the land of [[WeatherDissonance OCD weather.]] It made TOTAL sense afterward (never mind that the show is [[CaliforniaDoubling filmed in British Columbia]]), but just to bring this point home, the year that this episode aired, 2007, we had a freak thunderstorm that resulted in a mild 58-60 degree day ''on freaking Christmas Eve.'' No joke. Coincidence??? [[spoiler:At least my Christmas was a blast that year.]]

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** Speaking of that Christmas special, being a troper who actually lives in the metro-Detroit area (where Ypsilanti is nearby), I cracked up upon the revelation that [[spoiler: the sacrifices commenced by the pagan gods]] resulted in mild weather - -- in Michigan, the land of [[WeatherDissonance OCD weather.]] It made TOTAL sense afterward (never mind that the show is [[CaliforniaDoubling filmed in British Columbia]]), but just to bring this point home, the year that this episode aired, 2007, we had a freak thunderstorm that resulted in a mild 58-60 degree day ''on freaking Christmas Eve.'' No joke. Coincidence??? [[spoiler:At least my Christmas was a blast that year.]]



* When Castiel [[spoiler: continues to work with Crowley and eventually absorbs the souls of Purgatory despite the Winchesters begging him not to, one motivation that is cited by fans is that they didn't give him enough support over the seasons and instead just used him whenever they needed Superman's help. But it's so much more than that, because in essence, he does it because that is how the hunters ''taught'' him to do it, time and again, with their attitude to ''personal power'', their treatment of it as ultimately a good thing. Their dad sacrifices his soul to save Dean, Dean does the same for Sam, Sam ''admits'' that he tried to do the same for Dean. Sam works with Ruby and goes crazy and drinks demon blood and unleashes Lucifer. Bobby sells his soul to Crowley - not to save someone who is in ''immediate'' danger, but for a strategic ace, i.e. Death's location, and of course they all work with Crowley in that, as well. Dean all but gives in to Michael and likely would have if Cas hadn't physically stopped him. Sam gives in to Lucifer hoping to be able to control himself despite the literally apocalyptic level of consequences if he screws up. Sam tries to hold on to his soullessness partially for the reason that it makes him "a better hunter", i.e. more powerful. When Dean is turned into a vampire, he chooses to try and use his now superior powers against the vampires and go after them instead of staying put to minimize the chance of feeding and becoming a crazy monster. When Sam and Dean are in the past, trying to procure the phoenix ashes, Bobby lets Castiel power up from his soul, despite how dangerous it is. The point is that whenever there's a choice between crossing a line and ending up with no solution to the current crisis, the Winchesters & Co. have ''always'', without exception, been willing to hop straight across, no matter how great the consequences of failure and how much they have to go behind each other's backs to do it. And the worst part is that, by the end of Season 6, it really ''has'' worked out fine, in the grand scheme of things. Conversely, every time Castiel is depowered or drained either in Season 5 or 6, he is expected to try and get his mojo back as soon as possible, and mocked viciously for his powerlessness not just by the MonsterOfTheWeek (Lucifer, Meg, Famine, Eve etc.) but by ''the Winchesters'' ("baby in a trenchcoat", anyone?), who also throw hissy fits whenever he's not there to help them when they need it, even at great personal cost (e.g. nearly dying by zapping them both back in time to stop Anna), and praise him for his merits as a monster-killing machine. ("Gotta take you on more monster hunts".) In short, they've taught him that ''his only worth lies in being powerful enough to help them'', and that ''any means is acceptable'' for the end of procuring power, and if anything goes wrong it will end up fine in the end and they'll forgive him because he's family. With that in mind, it's suddenly a lot clearer why their unthinking condemnation of his plan with Crowley and their subsequent turning against him bewilders him so much. It also proves, to him, that they really ''aren't'' family, otherwise they'd trust him and go along with him just as they've always done in such situations. ]]

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* When Castiel [[spoiler: continues to work with Crowley and eventually absorbs the souls of Purgatory despite the Winchesters begging him not to, one motivation that is cited by fans is that they didn't give him enough support over the seasons and instead just used him whenever they needed Superman's help. But it's so much more than that, because in essence, he does it because that is how the hunters ''taught'' him to do it, time and again, with their attitude to ''personal power'', their treatment of it as ultimately a good thing. Their dad sacrifices his soul to save Dean, Dean does the same for Sam, Sam ''admits'' that he tried to do the same for Dean. Sam works with Ruby and goes crazy and drinks demon blood and unleashes Lucifer. Bobby sells his soul to Crowley - -- not to save someone who is in ''immediate'' danger, but for a strategic ace, i.e. Death's location, and of course they all work with Crowley in that, as well. Dean all but gives in to Michael and likely would have if Cas hadn't physically stopped him. Sam gives in to Lucifer hoping to be able to control himself despite the literally apocalyptic level of consequences if he screws up. Sam tries to hold on to his soullessness partially for the reason that it makes him "a better hunter", i.e. more powerful. When Dean is turned into a vampire, he chooses to try and use his now superior powers against the vampires and go after them instead of staying put to minimize the chance of feeding and becoming a crazy monster. When Sam and Dean are in the past, trying to procure the phoenix ashes, Bobby lets Castiel power up from his soul, despite how dangerous it is. The point is that whenever there's a choice between crossing a line and ending up with no solution to the current crisis, the Winchesters & Co. have ''always'', without exception, been willing to hop straight across, no matter how great the consequences of failure and how much they have to go behind each other's backs to do it. And the worst part is that, by the end of Season 6, it really ''has'' worked out fine, in the grand scheme of things. Conversely, every time Castiel is depowered or drained either in Season 5 or 6, he is expected to try and get his mojo back as soon as possible, and mocked viciously for his powerlessness not just by the MonsterOfTheWeek (Lucifer, Meg, Famine, Eve etc.) but by ''the Winchesters'' ("baby in a trenchcoat", anyone?), who also throw hissy fits whenever he's not there to help them when they need it, even at great personal cost (e.g. nearly dying by zapping them both back in time to stop Anna), and praise him for his merits as a monster-killing machine. ("Gotta take you on more monster hunts".) In short, they've taught him that ''his only worth lies in being powerful enough to help them'', and that ''any means is acceptable'' for the end of procuring power, and if anything goes wrong it will end up fine in the end and they'll forgive him because he's family. With that in mind, it's suddenly a lot clearer why their unthinking condemnation of his plan with Crowley and their subsequent turning against him bewilders him so much. It also proves, to him, that they really ''aren't'' family, otherwise they'd trust him and go along with him just as they've always done in such situations. ]]



* It recently occurred to me that Castiel's "death" and the circumstances surrounding it at the beginning of Season 7 are very reminiscent of being born-again. Throughout Season 6, Castiel slowly built up to a FaceHeelTurn, which culminated in him declaring himself to be the new God, slaying hundreds of his brothers in Heaven, and falling under the influence of the Leviathans. After he sees the damage that his "sins" have caused, he wants to repent - so he discharges the souls that he absorbed back into Purgatory. However, this does not complete the process, and he is not fully cleansed, because the Leviathans are still writhing inside of him. Only once Castiel [[RuleOfSymbolism submerges himself into a nearby reservoir]] is he purged of his inner evil, at which point the Leviathans disperse. After that, he loses his memory and essentially becomes a new man: Emmanuel, who is faithful and heals people in the name of God. The episode in which he finally returns is even called "The ''Born-Again'' Identity".
** In support of this theory, from a literature standpoint, people being submerged in water generally means baptism, a religious rebirth. May signal the change in personality that [[spoiler:isn't totally fixed until the end of season 8]] as baptisms are often tied to becoming a new person.

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* It recently occurred to me that Castiel's "death" and the circumstances surrounding it at the beginning of Season 7 are very reminiscent of being born-again. Throughout Season 6, Castiel slowly built up to a FaceHeelTurn, which culminated in him declaring himself to be the new God, slaying hundreds of his brothers in Heaven, and falling under the influence of the Leviathans. After he sees the damage that his "sins" have caused, he wants to repent - -- so he discharges the souls that he absorbed back into Purgatory. However, this does not complete the process, and he is not fully cleansed, because the Leviathans are still writhing inside of him. Only once Castiel [[RuleOfSymbolism submerges himself into a nearby reservoir]] is he purged of his inner evil, at which point the Leviathans disperse. After that, he loses his memory and essentially becomes a new man: Emmanuel, who is faithful and heals people in the name of God. The episode in which he finally returns is even called "The ''Born-Again'' Identity".
** In support of this theory, from a literature standpoint, people being submerged in water generally means baptism, a religious rebirth. May signal the change in personality that [[spoiler:isn't totally fixed until the end of season Season 8]] as baptisms are often tied to becoming a new person.



* Elsewhere in this wiki, the appearance of prophets and Fates is taken to mean that the Supernatural universe falls under the purview of YouCantFightFate. Actually, it's exactly the opposite--if fate was an intrinsic law of the universe (the only situation where it cannot be fought) it wouldn't need sapient beings, i.e. the Fates, to enforce it. This is why Kevin's prophecies are limited to interpreting the word of God--there is no set future to read. The reason Chuck could see the future is simply that [[spoiler: he is God, and was thus controlling the events.]] Fate isn't fate in the Supernatural universe--it's orders. Thus, Team Free Will's choice to ScrewDestiny is the final step out from under the authority of their respective oppressive fathers.
* In "My Bloody Valentine," Famine claims that Dean is immune to his power because he's supposedly dead inside. But Dean's behavior is erratic throughout the episode--he's much clingier than usual, even going so far as to chase after Cas because he felt that ten or so seconds was "too long" for Cas to take to come back to him. Famine lied in order to push Dean closer to the DespairEventHorizon. Dean ''is'' hungry for something--and, in keeping with his characterization, it's companionship.

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* Elsewhere in this wiki, the appearance of prophets and Fates is taken to mean that the Supernatural universe falls under the purview of YouCantFightFate. Actually, it's exactly the opposite--if opposite -- if fate was an intrinsic law of the universe (the only situation where it cannot be fought) it wouldn't need sapient beings, i.e. the Fates, to enforce it. This is why Kevin's prophecies are limited to interpreting the word of God--there God -- there is no set future to read. The reason Chuck could see the future is simply that [[spoiler: he is God, and was thus controlling the events.]] Fate isn't fate in the Supernatural universe--it's universe -- it's orders. Thus, Team Free Will's choice to ScrewDestiny is the final step out from under the authority of their respective oppressive fathers.
* In "My Bloody Valentine," Famine claims that Dean is immune to his power because he's supposedly dead inside. But Dean's behavior is erratic throughout the episode--he's episode -- he's much clingier than usual, even going so far as to chase after Cas because he felt that ten or so seconds was "too long" for Cas to take to come back to him. Famine lied in order to push Dean closer to the DespairEventHorizon. Dean ''is'' hungry for something--and, something -- and, in keeping with his characterization, it's companionship.



** It just occurred to me that this might be the reason why Meg used telekinesis to toss Dean and Bobby around in "[[spoiler:Born Under a Bad Sign]]", even though she never '''demon'''strated (heh, sorry) the power before or since--she was [[spoiler:possessing the body of demon-blood-infected Sam, who shows telekinetic powers in Season 1 and Season 4]]. Imagine what she (or any demon, or Lucifer) could do with his powers post-Season 4...

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** It just occurred to me that this might be the reason why Meg used telekinesis to toss Dean and Bobby around in "[[spoiler:Born Under a Bad Sign]]", even though she never '''demon'''strated (heh, sorry) the power before or since--she since -- she was [[spoiler:possessing the body of demon-blood-infected Sam, who shows telekinetic powers in Season 1 and Season 4]]. Imagine what she (or any demon, or Lucifer) could do with his powers post-Season 4...



* When Dean is complaining that Sam took a year off to live with a girl at the start of season 8, why does Sam not mention that Dean did the exact same thing with Lisa a few years earlier? Because in 6x21 Dean told Sam never to mention Lisa or Ben again. Sam is keeping his word, even though it would actually help his own case to bring it up.

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* When Dean is complaining that Sam took a year off to live with a girl at the start of season Season 8, why does Sam not mention that Dean did the exact same thing with Lisa a few years earlier? Because in 6x21 Dean told Sam never to mention Lisa or Ben again. Sam is keeping his word, even though it would actually help his own case to bring it up.



** And that at the end of Season 5, there were (ostensibly) no real enemies left that Dean needed to handle himself. Leave Crowley and co. to the angels. Go retire. At the end of Season 7, Crowley's at the height of his power and Sam is virtually all there is against them, and Kevin was depending on him - and only him, nobody else that was still alive and not in Crowley's custody knew about Kevin - for rescue.

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** And that at the end of Season 5, there were (ostensibly) no real enemies left that Dean needed to handle himself. Leave Crowley and co. to the angels. Go retire. At the end of Season 7, Crowley's at the height of his power and Sam is virtually all there is against them, and Kevin was depending on him - -- and only him, nobody else that was still alive and not in Crowley's custody knew about Kevin - -- for rescue.



* Meg's death and Castiel becoming human in season 8 were a bit of a shocker to some, but it makes sense. Shutting the gates of Hell apparently would banish every demon from the face of the earth back to Hell, which would send the vaguely-good Meg back to an almost certain eternity of torture. Shutting Heaven up tight would lock Castiel in with a whole lot of angels who want to kill him. Removing them from the chessboard avoids sending them to their deaths.

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* Meg's death and Castiel becoming human in season Season 8 were a bit of a shocker to some, but it makes sense. Shutting the gates of Hell apparently would banish every demon from the face of the earth Earth back to Hell, which would send the vaguely-good Meg back to an almost certain eternity of torture. Shutting Heaven up tight would lock Castiel in with a whole lot of angels who want to kill him. Removing them from the chessboard avoids sending them to their deaths.



** He must have at least suspected - last he saw, Sam looked to be falling apart at the seams, so him suddenly being back in apparently good health meant that ''something'' was up.

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** He must have at least suspected - -- last he saw, Sam looked to be falling apart at the seams, so him suddenly being back in apparently good health meant that ''something'' was up.



* At first Sam's inability to fully use his demon powers seems like a plot hole to keep him becoming all powerful and kicking off his addiction to demon blood. He tries so hard yet only gets visions and some shaky telekinesis while others like Jake and Ava get the whole spectrum barely trying. Until season 4 where we learn that demons were originally humans tortured in Hell for so long that they enjoyed the pain and inflicting it on others. Ava and Jake got all their powers because they gave into the demon blood and started enjoying hurting people while Sam always used his powers to help people so had to struggle against the nature of his abilities to get them to work.

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* At first Sam's inability to fully use his demon powers seems like a plot hole to keep him becoming all powerful and kicking off his addiction to demon blood. He tries so hard yet only gets visions and some shaky telekinesis while others like Jake and Ava get the whole spectrum barely trying. Until season Season 4 where we learn that demons were originally humans tortured in Hell for so long that they enjoyed the pain and inflicting it on others. Ava and Jake got all their powers because they gave into the demon blood and started enjoying hurting people while Sam always used his powers to help people so had to struggle against the nature of his abilities to get them to work.



* Some fans of scratched their heads as to how pagan deities from polytheistic religions can contradictorily co-exist with the Abrahamic God, especially when the writers have made it clear that the pagan gods are not simply angels (With the exception of [[spoiler:Gabriel going by the alias of Loki]]) and demons masquerading as gods. It begins to make sense when one considers the concept of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monolatrism Monolatrism]]. For added Fridge Brilliance, when watching the Season 5 episode "Hammer of the Gods", keep this verse (Jeremiah 10:11) in mind: "Tell them this: 'These gods, who did not make the heavens and the earth, will perish from the earth and from under the heavens.'" - JesseMB27

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* Some fans of scratched their heads as to how pagan deities from polytheistic religions can contradictorily co-exist with the Abrahamic God, especially when the writers have made it clear that the pagan gods are not simply angels (With the exception of [[spoiler:Gabriel going by the alias of Loki]]) and demons masquerading as gods. It begins to make sense when one considers the concept of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monolatrism Monolatrism]]. For added Fridge Brilliance, when watching the Season 5 episode "Hammer of the Gods", keep this verse (Jeremiah 10:11) in mind: "Tell them this: 'These gods, who did not make the heavens and the earth, will perish from the earth and from under the heavens.'" - -- JesseMB27



* On first glance Dean's behavior in the second half of Season 9 does not make a great deal of sense. In "Sharp Teeth" he is instantly distrustful of Garth and seems very reluctant to admit that werewolves could be good, yet in the past he has shown understanding towards hunters-turned-monsters and has accepted the idea that creatures can be good at heart. In "The Purge" he is willing to murder an innocent creature because her brother went bad and he doesn't trust her, but all his arguments about family not ending or beginning with blood imply that he wouldn't blame her for her brother's actions. In "THINMAN" he kills Roger, admittedly a psychopath but still a pure human being, with almost no hesitation, whereas in the past Dean has only ever killed a human under the direst of circumstances or in order to protect someone else, such as "Repo Man" when he only actually killed the psychopath Jeffrey when an innocent kid was at stake. But when you remember the events of "First Born" it makes more sense, the Mark of Cain is influencing Dean right from the start and making him more suspicious and distrustful, subtly amplifying his already existing dislike of monsters which had been cooled a bit by his friendship with Benny and making him more willing to deal with monsters of the human variety in a final manner. It isn't until "Alex, Annie, Alexis, Anne" that the physical effects of the Mark, greatly increased strength, are shown when Dean overpowers and brutally decapitates a vampire, but it's influence on his mind was present long before that.

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* On first glance Dean's behavior in the second half of Season 9 does not make a great deal of sense. In "Sharp Teeth" Teeth", he is instantly distrustful of Garth and seems very reluctant to admit that werewolves could be good, yet in the past he has shown understanding towards hunters-turned-monsters and has accepted the idea that creatures can be good at heart. In "The Purge" Purge", he is willing to murder an innocent creature because her brother went bad and he doesn't trust her, but all his arguments about family not ending or beginning with blood imply that he wouldn't blame her for her brother's actions. In "THINMAN" "THINMAN", he kills Roger, admittedly a psychopath but still a pure human being, with almost no hesitation, whereas in the past Dean has only ever killed a human under the direst of circumstances or in order to protect someone else, such as "Repo Man" when he only actually killed the psychopath Jeffrey when an innocent kid was at stake. But when you remember the events of "First Born" it makes more sense, the Mark of Cain is influencing Dean right from the start and making him more suspicious and distrustful, subtly amplifying his already existing dislike of monsters which had been cooled a bit by his friendship with Benny and making him more willing to deal with monsters of the human variety in a final manner. It isn't until "Alex, Annie, Alexis, Anne" that the physical effects of the Mark, greatly increased strength, are shown when Dean overpowers and brutally decapitates a vampire, but it's influence on his mind was present long before that.



* For 10 seasons I wonder why the demons look like living black smoke. At first I thought that was because they are a parody of angels since they look like living light outside their vessels in season 9, but then I saw the finale of season 10 and it hit me hard.[[spoiler:The Darkness was The Corrupter of Lucifer, the Father of Demons, so it's possible that it's influence inspired him to create creatures like it]]. This guess is maybe more truly because anyone who dies bearing the Mark becomes a demon.
** Follow-up Brilliance on that - anyone who dies bearing the Mark becomes a demon. A demon is a human soul that's been corrupted and twisted until it becomes something else entirely. The Mark ''is'' corruption itself, and it will turn the soul of any human who bears it to a demon, doing what it would take hundreds of years in Hell to do. It was even working on Dean before he died, affecting his behavior. It wasn't just working on his mind, it was working on his ''soul''.
* In the episode "The End" where Dean is sent back to the future to a Croatoan-ruled world, Fut!Castiel is a hippy-human with no Mojo who is constantly high on or drunk. His drink of choice? Absinthe. Not only it's green in color (like Dean's eyes, mind you), it was also banned in the US untill 2007 (I think), and is generaly nicknamed the "Green fairy"... or "Green Devil". ''Devil''.
* Way back in Season 4 when Sam kills Lilith, he's drunk a huge amount of demon blood (although not nearly as much as he did at the end of Season 5, mind you, but still) and we see - and Chuck mentions in the next episode - that his eyes go demon black briefly. It just seems odd at first and doesn't really get any sort of resolution or explanation, ''but'' several seasons later, we find that doses of human blood can make a demon more human. The reverse clearly works too, since demon blood made Sam prideful, aggressive, and physically stronger.

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* For 10 seasons ten seasons, I wonder why the demons look like living black smoke. At first I thought that was because they are a parody of angels since they look like living light outside their vessels in season Season 9, but then I saw the finale of season Season 10 and it hit me hard.[[spoiler:The Darkness was The Corrupter of Lucifer, the Father of Demons, so it's possible that it's influence inspired him to create creatures like it]]. This guess is maybe more truly because anyone who dies bearing the Mark becomes a demon.
** Follow-up Brilliance on that - -- anyone who dies bearing the Mark becomes a demon. A demon is a human soul that's been corrupted and twisted until it becomes something else entirely. The Mark ''is'' corruption itself, and it will turn the soul of any human who bears it to a demon, doing what it would take hundreds of years in Hell to do. It was even working on Dean before he died, affecting his behavior. It wasn't just working on his mind, it was working on his ''soul''.
* In the episode "The End" where Dean is sent back to the future to a Croatoan-ruled world, Fut!Castiel is a hippy-human with no Mojo who is constantly high on or drunk. His drink of choice? Absinthe. Not only it's green in color (like Dean's eyes, mind you), it was also banned in the US untill until 2007 (I think), and is generaly generally nicknamed the "Green fairy"... or "Green Devil". ''Devil''.
* Way back in Season 4 when Sam kills Lilith, he's drunk a huge amount of demon blood (although not nearly as much as he did at the end of Season 5, mind you, but still) and we see - -- and Chuck mentions in the next episode - -- that his eyes go demon black briefly. It just seems odd at first and doesn't really get any sort of resolution or explanation, ''but'' several seasons later, we find that doses of human blood can make a demon more human. The reverse clearly works too, since demon blood made Sam prideful, aggressive, and physically stronger.



* In the season 6 episode, "The Man Who Would Be King", Crowley tells [[spoiler: Castiel]] that he doesn't underestimate the Winchesters, which is why he hasn't been beaten/killed by them yet. Then in the season 8 finale, he was successfully captured by them to be used for [[spoiler: the Third Trial]]. What led to this? He started to underestimate the Winchesters.

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* In the season Season 6 episode, "The Man Who Would Be King", Crowley tells [[spoiler: Castiel]] that he doesn't underestimate the Winchesters, which is why he hasn't been beaten/killed by them yet. Then in the season Season 8 finale, he was successfully captured by them to be used for [[spoiler: the Third Trial]]. What led to this? He started to underestimate the Winchesters.



* The bond between [[spoiler: Dean and Amara]] makes a lot more sense after the season 11 finale. They spent the entire season confused as to why they were so attracted to each other. Originally, we believed it was because of the effects of the [[spoiler: Mark of Cain]], but after the finale, it was because they realized that they were NotSoDifferent in regards to how much they love their [[spoiler: little brothers]].

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* The bond between [[spoiler: Dean and Amara]] makes a lot more sense after the season Season 11 finale. They spent the entire season confused as to why they were so attracted to each other. Originally, we believed it was because of the effects of the [[spoiler: Mark of Cain]], but after the finale, it was because they realized that they were NotSoDifferent in regards to how much they love their [[spoiler: little brothers]].



* Episode 16, season 11, Safehouse. It took me watching the episode a few times to realize: [[spoiler: The reason why the souls of Bobby and Rufus' case were returned to their bodies, is that Sam and Dean managed to kill the soul eater in time. As Dean said the nest exists outside of space and time. Between the sigil trap Bobby and Rufus used and the sigil to kill that Sam and Dean used. It meant that every one managed to get back into their bodies before they would have died]]

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* Episode 16, season Season 11, Safehouse. It took me watching the episode a few times to realize: [[spoiler: The reason why the souls of Bobby and Rufus' case were returned to their bodies, is that Sam and Dean managed to kill the soul eater in time. As Dean said the nest exists outside of space and time. Between the sigil trap Bobby and Rufus used and the sigil to kill that Sam and Dean used. It meant that every one managed to get back into their bodies before they would have died]]



* Metatron calls God a sexist jerk. Of course God is a misogynist - have you seen what kind of sister he has?

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* Metatron calls God a sexist jerk. Of course God is a misogynist - -- have you seen what kind of sister he has?



* Possibly one of the worst bits of fridge horror is the fact that Sam and Dean don't even bother to exorcise demons anymore. Ever since acquiring the Ruby knife in "No Rest for the Wicked", they've begun simply stabbing every demon they see. This means that they've been consistently killing the innocent people that were possessed since late season 3. This fact is never really mentioned and they seem to show no remorse; unlike when Dean first killed an innocent person possessed by a demon in season 1 with the colt, in which he reacted as being horrified at what he was willing to do to protect Sam and his dad. The innocent person death toll can be 10 or higher in a demon-heavy episode.

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* Possibly one of the worst bits of fridge horror is the fact that Sam and Dean don't even bother to exorcise demons anymore. Ever since acquiring the Ruby knife in "No Rest for the Wicked", they've begun simply stabbing every demon they see. This means that they've been consistently killing the innocent people that were possessed since late season Season 3. This fact is never really mentioned and they seem to show no remorse; unlike when Dean first killed an innocent person possessed by a demon in season Season 1 with the colt, in which he reacted as being horrified at what he was willing to do to protect Sam and his dad. The innocent person death toll can be 10 or higher in a demon-heavy episode.



*** Recent episodes - Season 11 - have acknowledged this, although when it's come up, the meatsuits in question were already too damaged to survive (one had a stab wound, the other had a gunshot wound to the upper chest). Handwave by the writers?
*** Exorcism worked perfectly well in season 1 and 2, and 3 as a solution to the immediate problem, but the problem was the gates of hell were open. As we saw with Meg, it was now way too easy for a demon to just come back topside after. At the end of the day the Winchesters are still pragmatic enough to realize that if they didn't kill this demon (and by extension, its host) now, it would just come back and kill someone else later.

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*** Recent episodes - -- Season 11 - -- have acknowledged this, although when it's come up, the meatsuits in question were already too damaged to survive (one had a stab wound, the other had a gunshot wound to the upper chest). Handwave by the writers?
*** Exorcism worked perfectly well in season Seasons 1 and 2, and 3 as a solution to the immediate problem, but the problem was the gates of hell were open. As we saw with Meg, it was now way too easy for a demon to just come back topside after. At the end of the day the Winchesters are still pragmatic enough to realize that if they didn't kill this demon (and by extension, its host) now, it would just come back and kill someone else later.



** In season 11, it's confirmed that the Ark [[spoiler:''did'' exist, and although the characters only had a piece of it, it had been touched by God Himself and contained awesome power.]] No wonder Castiel showed up so quick!

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** In season Season 11, it's confirmed that the Ark [[spoiler:''did'' exist, and although the characters only had a piece of it, it had been touched by God Himself and contained awesome power.]] No wonder Castiel showed up so quick!



** As of season 8, he's been mentioned again. [[spoiler: Turns out he was discharged but wasn't too stable, and Benny killed him in self-defense.]]

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** As of season Season 8, he's been mentioned again. [[spoiler: Turns out he was discharged but wasn't too stable, and Benny killed him in self-defense.]]



* The "happy" ending of the episode about the haunted hotel shows the ghost girl and recently deceased elderly sister together in each other's company. The unhappiness comes out of the fact that unless they're put to rest, they're gonna go crazy and start killing people in a few decades, as pointed out in the season 2 opening episode. And some for Fridge Horror: remember the victims of the week who they save from the monsters? Not everyone's gonna go along with the world being populated with evil monsters. More than likely every one either went insane, killed themselves or terrified of ever leaving the house. And the fact that they'll never know for sure how to kill a monster without the help of other hunters means they'll make a mistake and end up being killed among other problems they'll have.

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* The "happy" ending of the episode about the haunted hotel shows the ghost girl and recently deceased elderly sister together in each other's company. The unhappiness comes out of the fact that unless they're put to rest, they're gonna go crazy and start killing people in a few decades, as pointed out in the season Season 2 opening episode. And some for Fridge Horror: remember the victims of the week who they save from the monsters? Not everyone's gonna go along with the world being populated with evil monsters. More than likely every one either went insane, killed themselves or terrified of ever leaving the house. And the fact that they'll never know for sure how to kill a monster without the help of other hunters means they'll make a mistake and end up being killed among other problems they'll have.



*** Pretty much stated to be the case in "Free to Be You and Me" - [[spoiler:Raphael's vessel is catatonic after being initially possessed by him. And then he is possessed by him again so that Raphael can jump-start the apocalypse.]]

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*** Pretty much stated to be the case in "Free to Be You and Me" - -- [[spoiler:Raphael's vessel is catatonic after being initially possessed by him. And then he is possessed by him again so that Raphael can jump-start the apocalypse.]]



*** Well, we've only seen or heard about three angels engaging in sexual activity - Anna, who explicitly was not angelfied at the time she got it on with Dean (and she was a special case, since her body was created when she fell, not possessed); Balthazar, whose vessel presumably didn't expect...[[TheHedonist that]] when he agreed to be his vessel; and Cas, who we thankfully now know to have been all alone in that body when he slept with that Reaper. So, onscreen evidence is less horrifying than it would initially seem, but still somewhat disturbing.

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*** Well, we've only seen or heard about three angels engaging in sexual activity - -- Anna, who explicitly was not angelfied at the time she got it on with Dean (and she was a special case, since her body was created when she fell, not possessed); Balthazar, whose vessel presumably didn't expect...expect... [[TheHedonist that]] when he agreed to be his vessel; and Cas, who we thankfully now know to have been all alone in that body when he slept with that Reaper. So, onscreen evidence is less horrifying than it would initially seem, but still somewhat disturbing.



* The fate of [[spoiler: Adam. He and his mother were murdered by monsters just because of their connection to John Winchester. Then he was resurrected and introduced to his long lost half brothers for the briefest of moments before being possessed by an archangel, firebombed by another angel and thrown into hell by his own brothers. Now he's trapped for all eternity in a cage in Hell with two supremely pissed off archangels. We've heard about all the terrible things that happened to Sam and Dean during their stints in Hell, but Adam has now been there longer than both of them and is ''still being tortured'', with no hope of ever being rescued. And nobody, not even his own brothers, seem to care that he's still there, he's barely been mentioned since. All because he wanted to see his mother again.]] Easily the worst bit of fridge horror in the series.
** Let's not forget Bela, who sold her soul to stop her father from raping her--only to have both her parents killed. She'd have gone through life an orphan, knowing it was her fault with an eternity in hell looming over her--from the age of 14 to 24.

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* The fate of [[spoiler: Adam. He and his mother were murdered by monsters just because of their connection to John Winchester. Then he was resurrected and introduced to his long lost half brothers half-brothers for the briefest of moments before being possessed by an archangel, firebombed by another angel angel, and thrown into hell by his own brothers. Now Now, he's trapped for all eternity in a cage in Hell with two supremely pissed off archangels. We've heard about all the terrible things that happened to Sam and Dean during their stints in Hell, but Adam has now been there longer than both of them and is ''still being tortured'', with no hope of ever being rescued. And nobody, not even his own brothers, seem to care that he's still there, he's barely been mentioned since. All because he wanted to see his mother again.]] Easily the worst bit of fridge horror in the series.
** Let's not forget Bela, who sold her soul to stop her father from raping her--only her -- only to have both her parents killed. She'd have gone through life an orphan, knowing it was her fault with an eternity in hell looming over her--from her -- from the age of 14 to 24.



* Chuck was writing stories based off the Winchester's real lives, right? And there's a small but dedicated fandom following those books in cannon, right? Can you imagine if you were one such fan, who suddenly saw a headline one day—maybe on the sidebar of your homepage as you checked your e-mail—and saw that oh, no, there’s been some sort of bizarre accident, but hey, wait a minute, this guy has the same name as the character in the book I just read… and he looks like he might have died the same way…? And then googling a bit and realizing all of the people who’ve ever died in the books correspond to real people who actually died in genuinely horrific ways in real life?

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* Chuck was writing stories based off the Winchester's real lives, right? And there's a small but dedicated fandom following those books in cannon, right? Can you imagine if you were one such fan, who suddenly saw a headline one day—maybe day -- maybe on the sidebar of your homepage as you checked your e-mail—and e-mail -- and saw that oh, no, there’s been some sort of bizarre accident, but hey, wait a minute, this guy has the same name as the character in the book I just read… and he looks like he might have died the same way…? And then googling a bit and realizing all of the people who’ve ever died in the books correspond to real people who actually died in genuinely horrific ways in real life?



* Partway through Season Six we find out that Christian had been possessed the entire time he had been onscreen [[spoiler: on Crowley's orders to keep an eye on Samuel.]] But in "Two and A Half Men," [[spoiler: Samuel]] asks Christian whether he and his wife had had any luck in getting pregnant. Are they trying to make another Antichrist?

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* Partway through Season Six 6 we find out that Christian had been possessed the entire time he had been onscreen [[spoiler: on Crowley's orders to keep an eye on Samuel.]] But in "Two and A Half Men," [[spoiler: Samuel]] asks Christian whether he and his wife had had any luck in getting pregnant. Are they trying to make another Antichrist?



* Lilith possessing little girls gets more and more evil and cruel the more you think about it. Not only is she terrorizing and killing entire families while making them think their daughter/sister/granddaughter has become a monster, ''the little girls she possesses are still in there''--being forced to murder their pets and their loved ones (and having said loved ones ''plotting to kill them''), being forced to torture half a dozen people to death (the police station people), unable to control their own bodies, all the while probably having Lilith verbally and mentally torture them in their minds. This probably happens to most hosts (if not all of them), but it's especially appalling here because these are ''[[ChildrenAreInnocent children]]''.

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* Lilith possessing little girls gets more and more evil and cruel the more you think about it. Not only is she terrorizing and killing entire families while making them think their daughter/sister/granddaughter has become a monster, ''the little girls she possesses are still in there''--being there'' -- being forced to murder their pets and their loved ones (and having said loved ones ''plotting to kill them''), being forced to torture half a dozen people to death (the police station people), unable to control their own bodies, all the while probably having Lilith verbally and mentally torture them in their minds. This probably happens to most hosts (if not all of them), but it's especially appalling here because these are ''[[ChildrenAreInnocent children]]''.



* The conclusion to [[spoiler:Bela Talbot]]'s story is that she goes to {{Hell}} as part of her DealWithTheDevil. That's an extremely dark and horrific fate for any character, but it gets ''even worse'' when you consider ''why'' she made her deal--her father was raping her and she wanted to stop him from hurting her anymore. Demons prey on traumatic psychological issues while dishing out physical pain, and this is only compounded in Hell, where the torment never stops, ever, and as a "bonus," demons can shapeshift into people you know when tormenting you. Demons would ''absolutely'' rape [[spoiler:Bela]], probably in the form of her father, as a form of torture. And given her preexisting trauma, that's probably their favorite way of torturing her. [[ShootTheShaggyDog The thing she tried so desperately to escape as a child will be visited on her for the rest of eternity.]]

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* The conclusion to [[spoiler:Bela Talbot]]'s story is that she goes to {{Hell}} as part of her DealWithTheDevil. That's an extremely dark and horrific fate for any character, but it gets ''even worse'' when you consider ''why'' she made her deal--her deal -- her father was raping her and she wanted to stop him from hurting her anymore. Demons prey on traumatic psychological issues while dishing out physical pain, and this is only compounded in Hell, where the torment never stops, ever, and as a "bonus," demons can shapeshift into people you know when tormenting you. Demons would ''absolutely'' rape [[spoiler:Bela]], probably in the form of her father, as a form of torture. And given her preexisting trauma, that's probably their favorite way of torturing her. [[ShootTheShaggyDog The thing she tried so desperately to escape as a child will be visited on her for the rest of eternity.]]



* This is more Fridge Heartbreaking than Fridge Horror, I suppose---but remember what Dean told Sam when they impersonated fire fighters to evacuate an apartment complex so they could exsorcize the demon-possessed people living there? He'd always wanted to be a fireman. One wonders if on some level he wanted to prevent other people losing their mothers the way he lost his.....

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* This is more Fridge Heartbreaking than Fridge Horror, I suppose---but suppose -- but remember what Dean told Sam when they impersonated fire fighters to evacuate an apartment complex so they could exsorcize the demon-possessed people living there? He'd always wanted to be a fireman. One wonders if on some level he wanted to prevent other people losing their mothers the way he lost his.....



* In season five's "The End", future!Dean is planning to sacrifice his friends so that he can sneak into Lucifer's compound and shoot him with the Colt. Except six episodes later, in "Abandon All Hope", we learn that Lucifer is one of the few things the Colt won't kill. Assuming the whole thing wasn't a ruse created by Zachariah, then future!Dean got Cas and his friends killed for nothing, and was probably walking into a suicide mission.
* Death's speech in the season 10 finale can be interpreted as God creating the Earth by beating up and then molding the PrimordialChaos known as the Darkness. It means that, deep down, all matter is hostile to God and his creatures, the EverythingTryingToKillYou way. This doubles as fridge brilliance regarding why, when a soul is separated from a living and thinking body, a soulless being rapidly turns to evil. Even our own flesh conspires against us.

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* In season five's Season 5's "The End", future!Dean is planning to sacrifice his friends so that he can sneak into Lucifer's compound and shoot him with the Colt. Except six episodes later, in "Abandon All Hope", we learn that Lucifer is one of the few things the Colt won't kill. Assuming the whole thing wasn't a ruse created by Zachariah, then future!Dean got Cas and his friends killed for nothing, and was probably walking into a suicide mission.
* Death's speech in the season Season 10 finale can be interpreted as God creating the Earth by beating up and then molding the PrimordialChaos known as the Darkness. It means that, deep down, all matter is hostile to God and his creatures, the EverythingTryingToKillYou way. This doubles as fridge brilliance regarding why, when a soul is separated from a living and thinking body, a soulless being rapidly turns to evil. Even our own flesh conspires against us.



* We got a peek inside the cage in season 11. Lucifer's the only one in there. Guess we know who won that fight.

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* We got a peek inside the cage in season Season 11. Lucifer's the only one in there. Guess we know who won that fight.



* Not so much fridge logic as just fridge weirdness, but in season 6 Cas absorbed all the souls in purgatory. Which means that for a while Benny was in Cas. That kinda puts a whole new weird twist on their relationship.

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* Not so much fridge logic as just fridge weirdness, but in season Season 6 Cas absorbed all the souls in purgatory. Which means that for a while Benny was in Cas. That kinda puts a whole new weird twist on their relationship.



** There's a ''lot'' of loose ends in this show. Like all the other people that were framed by the shapeshifter in Season 1, episode 6, or the two dead bodies (the werewolves) in Season 2, episode 17. Dean even says that they avoid hitting the same town twice because "Hunters tend to leave messes behind."

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** There's a ''lot'' of loose ends in this show. Like all the other people that were framed by the shapeshifter in Season 1, episode Episode 6, or the two dead bodies (the werewolves) in Season 2, episode Episode 17. Dean even says that they avoid hitting the same town twice because "Hunters tend to leave messes behind."



** Perhaps they're left like Raphael's vessel - drooling and catatonic until the angel in question returns to Earth to reclaim them? ... [[FridgeHorror Oh, never mind, I don't like that theory]]...

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** Perhaps they're left like Raphael's vessel - -- drooling and catatonic until the angel in question returns to Earth to reclaim them? ... [[FridgeHorror Oh, never mind, I don't like that theory]]...



** As of Season 10, we now know that Jimmy was dead by season six, so presumably Castiel was able to just store his vessel in the ether or something (like his wings) and hop back into it anytime he needed to see the Winchesters.

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** As of Season 10, we now know that Jimmy was dead by season six, Season 6, so presumably Castiel was able to just store his vessel in the ether or something (like his wings) and hop back into it anytime he needed to see the Winchesters.



*** Angels don't get banished when they set off the banishing sigil--see Castiel using it on Zachariah in "Lucifer Rising". So the kick-out-of-Heaven spell is just a bigger version, and Metatron's immune because he's the one doing it.

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*** Angels don't get banished when they set off the banishing sigil--see sigil -- see Castiel using it on Zachariah in "Lucifer Rising". So the kick-out-of-Heaven spell is just a bigger version, and Metatron's immune because he's the one doing it.



* Early in season four, Castiel mentions that the angels are at more or less open war with the demons, and that "many of his brothers have fallen in battle" (paraphrased). Except that Alistair, who was apparently Hell's finest torturer, said himself that neither he nor Lilith had any idea how to kill angels. This is well before "On The Head Of A Pin" so it probably wasn't Uriel. So who was killing them?

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* Early in season four, Season 4, Castiel mentions that the angels are at more or less open war with the demons, and that "many of his brothers have fallen in battle" (paraphrased). Except that Alistair, who was apparently Hell's finest torturer, said himself that neither he nor Lilith had any idea how to kill angels. This is well before "On The Head Of A Pin" so it probably wasn't Uriel. So who was killing them?



** Even if they still had it, it might not have done them any good - when Dean shot Lucifer, he was wearing Nick, and that only stunned him. Lucifer in his true vessel and thus at full power might not have even been slowed down by a shot from the Colt.

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** Even if they still had it, it might not have done them any good - -- when Dean shot Lucifer, he was wearing Nick, and that only stunned him. Lucifer in his true vessel and thus at full power might not have even been slowed down by a shot from the Colt.



* After Castiel shifts Sam's Crazy into himself, he goes into coma but wakes up later... in crazy-mode. When Sam asks about him seeing Lucifer Cas replies that at first he did see Lucifer, and then saw everything. He also says that he doesn't like conflicts and doesn't want to fight anymore. And his new interest? bees. As he said in S7E21:"I followed a honeybee. I saw the route of flowers. It's all right there, the whole plan." The 'plan' may refer to bees supporting the world as we know it. They pollinate about 90 percent of the world's food. Without bees humanity will be left without most fruits, vegetation, nuts and crops. And remember who else is obsessed with bees? That's right: Cain, our very own Father of Murder, who was also, like Cas at the time, trying to have a peasceful, fight-free life and even had his own bee-hive. In other words: first sign of Insanity/withdrawal? Bees.

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* After Castiel shifts Sam's Crazy into himself, he goes into coma but wakes up later... in crazy-mode. When Sam asks about him seeing Lucifer Cas replies that at first he did see Lucifer, and then saw everything. He also says that he doesn't like conflicts and doesn't want to fight anymore. And his new interest? bees. As he said in S7E21:"I followed a honeybee. I saw the route of flowers. It's all right there, the whole plan." The 'plan' may refer to bees supporting the world as we know it. They pollinate about 90 percent of the world's food. Without bees humanity will be left without most fruits, vegetation, nuts and crops. And remember who else is obsessed with bees? That's right: Cain, our very own Father of Murder, who was also, like Cas at the time, trying to have a peasceful, peaceful, fight-free life and even had his own bee-hive. In other words: first sign of Insanity/withdrawal? Bees.



** Keep in mind that Death was locked underground for years upon years by God before Lucifer freed him (and bound him by a spell so Death would obey him). People obviously still died while Death was locked away, so it made me wonder if Death had some sort of a ''remote control'' to killing people without actually having to touch them or even be in vecinity. But the Reapers seem to go on with their work just fine without Death, so... maybe, while Death was by levels stronger than the other Horsemen (''way'' stronger), like the other Horsemen, he doesn't actually has to be in a humanoid "alive" shape for the idea of death to, uh, exist? I mean, just because the other Horsemen lost their powers (did any of them actually die?), doesn't mean that people don't get sick, hungry or that there's suddenly peace on Earth (wish there was, though).

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** Keep in mind that Death was locked underground for years upon years by God before Lucifer freed him (and bound him by a spell so Death would obey him). People obviously still died while Death was locked away, so it made me wonder if Death had some sort of a ''remote control'' to killing people without actually having to touch them or even be in vecinity.vicinity. But the Reapers seem to go on with their work just fine without Death, so... maybe, while Death was by levels stronger than the other Horsemen (''way'' stronger), like the other Horsemen, he doesn't actually has to be in a humanoid "alive" shape for the idea of death to, uh, exist? I mean, just because the other Horsemen lost their powers (did any of them actually die?), doesn't mean that people don't get sick, hungry or that there's suddenly peace on Earth (wish there was, though).
6th Jun '17 2:11:05 PM throwing_my_shades
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** And if taken at face value after all, let's assume "touching himself" actually means you-know-what. They are still brothers. What. THE HELL. Did Lucifer do to him!?

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** And if taken at face value after all, let's assume "touching himself" actually means you-know-what.[[ADateWithRosiePalms you-know-what]]. They are still brothers. What. THE HELL. Did Lucifer do to him!?
6th Jun '17 2:06:11 PM throwing_my_shades
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1st Apr '17 9:18:24 AM Pokemaster666
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* In Bad Day At Black Rock, as soon as Sam loses his lucky rabbit foot - he is suppose to be utterly out of luck, meaning - Bela shooting him at the graveyard should have killed him, by the episode's (and rabbit's foot modus oprendi) logic. Yet, the bullet "barely grazes him". How come? Because the moment Dean picked up the foot - he became "the lucky one", thus, Sam's death became an impposible veriable. Since it was Dean's Lucky Day - Dean's "luck" overpowered Sam's Bad luck.

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* In Bad Day At Black Rock, as soon as Sam loses his lucky rabbit foot - he is suppose he's supposed to be utterly out of luck, meaning - Bela shooting him at the graveyard should have killed him, by the episode's (and rabbit's foot modus oprendi) logic. Yet, the bullet "barely grazes him". How come? Because the moment Dean picked up the foot - he became "the lucky one", thus, Sam's death became an impposible veriable. Since it was Dean's Lucky Day - Dean's "luck" overpowered Sam's Bad luck.
24th Feb '17 9:20:55 PM SpocktorWho
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** In season 11, it's confirmed that the Ark [[spoiler:''did'' exist, and although the characters only had a piece of it, it had been touched by God Himself and contained awesome power.]] No wonder Castiel showed up so quick!



*** Thankfully confirmed in the most recent episode, Jimmy's soul went to heaven after Cas was vaporized by Raphael. However, it introduces a new fridge horror in the fates of Jimmy's family (namely his daughter, Claire) after Jimmy/Cas left for a second time.

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*** Thankfully confirmed in the most recent episode, Jimmy's soul went to heaven after Cas was vaporized by Raphael.Lucifer. However, it introduces a new fridge horror in the fates of Jimmy's family (namely his daughter, Claire) after Jimmy/Cas left for a second time.



** Though they may want to lean toward veggies with the dog's treats, it's unlikely that the couple are going to feed the dog a strictly vegan diet. Unless they're completel idiots, which they didn't come off as (although they ''did'' vandalise a door with their logo!), they'll know that a dog can't be vegan and give it a proper diet, probably consisting of free range, grass-fed beef or something.
* This is more Fridge Heartbreaking than Fridge Horror, I suppose---but remember what Dean told Sam when they impersonated fire fighters to evacuate an apartment complex so they could exorcize the demon-possessed people living there? He'd always wanted to be a fireman. One wonders if on some level he wanted to prevent other people losing their mothers the way he lost his.....

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** Though they may want to lean toward veggies with the dog's treats, it's unlikely that the couple are going to feed the dog a strictly vegan diet. Unless they're completel complete idiots, which they didn't come off as (although they ''did'' vandalise a door with using their own logo!), they'll know that a dog can't be vegan and give it a proper diet, probably consisting of free range, grass-fed beef or something.
* This is more Fridge Heartbreaking than Fridge Horror, I suppose---but remember what Dean told Sam when they impersonated fire fighters to evacuate an apartment complex so they could exorcize exsorcize the demon-possessed people living there? He'd always wanted to be a fireman. One wonders if on some level he wanted to prevent other people losing their mothers the way he lost his.....
17th Jan '17 11:52:32 PM Alas_Poor_Donny
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** Death is the personification of death itself, he's not the actual cause of things dying. Technically, he is everywhere that anything is dying, all at once. If he's 'dead' at all (which actually is foreshadowed to not be the case, he's mentioned that eventually he'll get sick of the Winchesters and stop coming when they call, and stabbing him seems like a good way to provoke that), that probably just fragmented him into smaller entities... maybe fragmented him _back_ into smaller entities, as the Darkness appears to be essentially a subset of what Death was.
*** Possibly this is how Amara was locked away to begin with? Used to construct a larger, less aggressive entity with no particular motivation to re-fragment himself?
18th Dec '16 7:16:15 AM Gaby007
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* Metatron calls God a sexist jerk. Of course God is a misogynist - have you seen what kind of sister he has?
9th Dec '16 9:40:08 AM Cameron178
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* The middle of Season 12 has Lucifer ranting about having no plan that comes off as whining. However, it makes sense: he has basically lost his role as the villain. The Darkness kicked his ass twice and tortured him, his father took off after reconciling with him, he got outwitted several times by a simple witch, and hell is being ruled by Crowley. What is left for him?
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