History Fridge / SteinsGate

** One thought. [[spoiler:I'm currently watching VisualNovel/ChaosHead and here's the thing: The whole universe is created from PERCEPTION. In VisualNovel/ChaosHead the bad guys convert images shown to people into reality, maybe the timeline works the same way? So it really doesn't matter if Kurisu dies, what matters is that Okabe sees her in a pool of blood. If he tried to pull it off the same way with Mayushii, it would probably work]]

* FridgeBrilliance: The canonical ending seems a little bit like a DeusExMachina considering the YouCantFightFate nature of the show. Here is an explanation that this troper came up with. [[spoiler: In the Beta world line, Kurisu was NOT fated to die like Mayuri in the Alpha world line. If we look back in the Alpha world line, we can compared Kurisu to Rumiho's father. Rumiho sent her D-Mail and succeeded in preventing her father from boarding a plane that was bound to crash no matter what. This means that not all deaths are destined, depending on the timeline. This avoidance of death may have changed the cause, but cannot alter the eventual effect of SERN's dystopia. With this conjecture, let's get back to the earlier point. When Okabe provoked Dr. Nakabachi to stab him, one would expect Kurisu to somehow intercept the assault (she certainly would have been able to) and die to prevent Okabe from getting involved. That didn't happen. Therefore we can safely conclude that the true fated event that could not be altered was Okabe witnessing Kurisu lying dead or unconscious in a pool of blood, not Kurisu lying dead. [[FridgeLogic Essentially we can make another deduction that Okabe and his crew are still in the Beta world line, not the Steins;Gate world line. World War III can possibly be a fated event of the Beta world line just like SERN's dystopia in the Alpha world line.]]]] SequelHook perhaps?
** [[spoiler: Maybe World War III was not the fated event of the Beta timeline since the time travel documents were destroyed in the plane crash. That doesn't kill the possibility that another conflict may arise however.]]
** If John Titor doesn't show up in 2000 or 2010, chances are [[spoiler: they're not in the Beta world line anymore]]. You can check that with a simple [[BlandNameProduct Goodle]] search.
** [[spoiler: I guess that they are still stuck but not in the Beta timeline but in the Alpha timeline where the badges show up.]]
*** [[spoiler: The badges in the final Worldline are different from the one Suzuha has in the Alpha Worldline]]
** [[spoiler: The event that led to all the series happening was the D-Mail Okabe sent to Daru telling him about Kurisu's murder. He can't undo this without causing a very serious paradox. But he can change the events that made him believe she was dead and send that mail, and he can also change the side-event that led to WWIII- the doctor carrying the paper on time travel to Russia, which is in no way strictly tied to him witnessing Kurisu's death, the key event of the 1% timeline. The same way he could create different versions of the 0% timeline, where Rumiho would have an alive dad or where she wouldn't, but in which Mayuri would always die, here he can create several variations of the timeline where he sees Kurisu "dead"- one where there is a WWIII and one where there isn't.]]
** [[spoiler: For the record, in the game at least, Daru mentions that the specifics of Kurisu having died were actually fully covered on the news-ergo, Okabe does in fact change history by traveling back in time.]]
** One thought. [[spoiler: I' currently watching Chaos;Head and he're the thing: The whole universe is created from PERCEPTION. In Chaos;Head the bad guys convert images shown to people into reality, maybe the timeline works the same way ? So it really doesn't matter if Kurisu dies, what matters is that Okabe sees her in a pool of blood. If he tried to pull it off the same way with Mayushii , it would probly work]]

** [[spoiler: Also worth noting: that salutation was current around ''2000,'' when it almost immediately fell into disuse.]]
* FridgeLogic: How does a little girl manage to [[spoiler: push a fully grown woman far enough to get hit by the subway? Granted Mayuri is small and was caught off guard, but it still defies physics. It's even worse in how Nae pushed Mayuri by tripping.]]
** DiabolusExMachina at work perhaps? [[spoiler: She was fated to die anyway. I think Nae tripped and as Mayuri saved her, she fell off as a result.]]
** If you revisit the scene, [[spoiler: she trips and then nudges Mayuri into the track. It wasn't a situation where she would've fallen into the tracks and Mayuri sacrificed herself.]]
* When they successfully hack into SERN and find all of the reports [[spoiler: of the dead human subjects, why didn't they just go to the police and have that organization arrested for unethical experimentation? Sure they might have gotten that information through illegal means, but it should still have been considered at the least.]]
** [[spoiler: Okabe was blackmailed]].

* Future Okabe actually [[XanatosGambit ensured Operation Skuld's success.]] [[spoiler: After the first failure, Future Okabe's worldline exists in a concrete enough form for the movie mail to go through. If Future Okabe's assist fails to produce a successful outcome, Okabe will simply become Future Okabe, at which point he sends the movie mail again (possibly with changes to the script) and the cycle repeats until Okabe actually succeeds. [[TrickedOutTime "The world is in the palm of my hand," indeed.]]]]
* Looking at the [[AlternateCharacterReading kanji used to write "Stein's Gate"]] in the visual novel makes the implicit explicit by rendering the term as, loosely, "Stone Gate of Fate." Okabe is told that that name was given to the target worldline specifically for the reason that "it doesn't really mean anything." [[spoiler: Future Okabe tells him this as he charges him with his final mission to [[SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong change the future.]] In other words, Okabe is being reminded that there is [[{{Franchise/Terminator}} no fate but what he makes.]]]]

* Future Okabe actually [[XanatosGambit ensured Operation Skuld's success.]] [[spoiler: After the first failure, Future Okabe's worldline exists in a concrete enough form for the movie mail to go through. If Future Okabe's assist fails to produce a successful outcome, Okabe will simply become Future Okabe, at which point he sends the movie mail again (possibly with changes to the script) and the cycle repeats until Okabe actually succeeds. [[TrickedOutTime "The world is in the palm of my hand," indeed.]]]]

* FridgeBrilliance: Connections of Episode 1 and 24. It was the same voice Okabe as he tried to fake the death of Makise Kurisu on episode 1.

* Notice how in the anime Amane Suzuha has such a weird salutation: (O-haa!)? The reason why she doesn't know the current trends in saying hello is because [[spoiler: she's from the future.]]

** [[spoiler: The event that led to all the series happening was the D-Mail Okabe sent to Daru telling him about Kurisu's murder. He can't undo this without causing a very serious paradox. But he can change the events that made him believe she was dead and send that mail, and he can also change the side-event that led to WWIII- the doctor carrying the paper on time travel to Russia, which is in no way directly related to him witnessing Kurisu's death, the key event of the 1% timeline. The same way he could create different versions of the 0% timeline, where Rumiho would have an alive dad or where she wouldn't, but in which Mayuri would always die, here he can create several variations of the timeline where he sees Kurisu "dead"- one where there is a WWIII and one where there isn't.]]

*** [[spoiler: The badges in the final Worldline are different from the one Suzuha has in the Alpha Worldline

** SERN has the ability to [[spoiler:cover up events. Including murder in Gamma timeline.]]

** Yeah, but that was for quite a while after they found those reports.

** Okabe was blackmailed.

** Okabe was blackmailed.

* FridgeLogic: How does a little girl manage to [[spoiler: push a fully grown woman far enough to get hit by the subway? Granted Mayuri is small and was caught off guard, but it still defies physics. Not to mention common sense, as even if she was just a kid, it still seems [[PlotInducedStupidity remarkably stupid]] to try to surprise someone right in front of a moving subway by pushing them.]]

** If John Titor doesn't show up in 2000 or 2010, chances are [[spoiler: they're not in the Beta world line anymore]]. You can check that with a simple [[Bland Name Product Goodle]] search.

* When they successfully hack into SERN and find all of the reports [[spoiler: of the dead human subjects, why didn't they just go to the police and have that organization arrested for unethical experimentation? Sure they might have gotten that information through illegal means, but it should still have been considered at the least.]]

** DiabolusExMachina at work perhaps? [[spoiler: She was fated to die anyway. I think Nae tripped and as Mayuri saved her, she fell off as a result.]]

* FridgeBrilliance: The canonical ending seems a little bit like a DeusExMachina considering the YouCantFightFate nature of the show right? Here is an explanation that this troper came up with. [[spoiler: In the Beta world line, Kurisu was NOT fated to die like Mayuri in the Alpha world line. If we look back in the Alpha world line, we can compared Kurisu to Rumiho's father. Rumiho sent her D-Mail and succeeded in preventing her father from boarding a plane that was bound to crash no matter what. This means that not all deaths are destined, depending on the timeline. This avoidance of death may have changed the cause, but cannot alter the eventual effect of SERN's dystopia. With this conjecture, let's get back to the earlier point. When Okabe provoked Dr. Nakabachi to stab him, one would expect Kurisu to somehow intercept the assault (she certainly would have been able to) and die to prevent Okabe from getting involved. That didn't happen. Therefore we can safely conclude that the true fated event that could not be altered was Okabe witnessing Kurisu lying dead or unconscious in a pool of blood, not Kurisu lying dead. [[FridgeLogic Essentially we can make another deduction that Okabe and his crew are still in the Beta world line, not the Steins;Gate world line. World War III can possibly be a fated event of the Beta world line just like SERN's dystopia in the Alpha world line.]]]] SequelHook perhaps?

** DiabolusExMachina at work perhaps? [[spoiler: She was fated to die anyway. I think Nae tripped and as Mayuri saved her, she fell off as a result.

** DiabolusExMachina at work perhaps? [[She was fated to die anyway. I think Nae tripped and as Mayuri saved her, she fell off as a result.

** DiabolusExMachina at work perhaps?

* FridgeLogic: How does a little girl manage to [[spoiler: push a fully grown woman far enough to get hit by the subway? Granted Mayuri is small and was caught off guard, but it still defies physics. Not to mention common sense, as even if she was just a kid, it still seems [[PlotInducedStupidity remarkably stupid]] to try to surprise someone right in front of a moving subway by pushing them.]]

** [[spoiler: Maybe World War III was not the fated event of the Beta timeline since the time travel documents were destroyed in the plane crash. That doesn't kill the possibility that another conflict may arise however.]]