History Fridge / Saw

* And speaking of Billy, ever wonder why he's the MascotVillain of the franchise (Ala [[Franchise/FridayThe13th Jason Voorhees]], [[Franchise/{{Halloween}} Michael Myers]], [[Franchise/ANightmareOnElmStreet Freddy Krueger]], etc.) rather than any of the Jigsaw killers, even John Kramer himself? Because he represents Jigsaw as a concept, and Jigsaw isn't one character. Even in the first film Kramer is mostly hidden in the background, while Billy is used to represent his evil presence. And then the man kicks the bucket in ''Saw III'', but Billy continues to show up. Similar to Ghostface from ''Film/{{Scream}}'', the puppet embodies how the ever changing identity is the focus rather than the original mastermind.
* The reveal of Amanda, Hoffman and Logan as Jigsaw's apprentices were twists in and of themselves. What makes them FridgeBrilliance, however, is when you realize that they revealed themselves exactly the same way that John did back in the original ''Film/SawI'': they were presented as mere victims in their traps, only to reveal to their ultimate victims that they were the ones ''manipulating'' the traps. Even Schenk, a mere Jigsaw copycat, used the same method.

* The reveal of Amanda, Hoffman and Logan as Jigsaw's apprentices were twists in and of themselves. What makes them FridgeBrilliance, however, is when you realize that they revealed themselves exactly the same way that John did back in the original ''Saw'': they were presented as mere victims in their traps, only to reveal to their ultimate victims that they were the ones ''manipulating'' the traps. Even Schenk, a mere Jigsaw copycat, used the same method.

* The reveal of Amanda, Hoffman and Logan as Jigsaw's apprentices were twists in and of themselves. What makes them FridgeBrilliance, however, is when you realize that they revealed themselves exactly the same way that John did back in the original ''Saw'': they were presented as mere victims in their traps, only to reveal to their ultimate victims that they were the ones ''manipulating'' the traps.

* If Amanda was broke down emotionally even before Hoffman's letter to her, what happened to the other people who lived from the traps? How emotionally miserable would they have become?

* And speaking of Billy, ever wonder why he's the MascotVillain of the franchise(Ala Jason Voorhees, Michael Myers, Freddy Krueger etc.) rather than any of the Jigsaw killers, even John Kramer himself? Because he represents Jigsaw as a concept, and Jigsaw isn't one character. Even in the first film Kramer is mostly hidden in the background, while Billy is used to represent his evil presence. And then the man kicks the bucket in SAW 3, but Billy continues to show up. Similar to Ghostface from Film/{{Scream}}, the puppet embodies how the ever changing identity is the focus rather than the original mastermind.

* Crossing over with Fridge Horror, but how is it that John, Amanda, Hoffman and so forth were able to seemingly know how much of the sedatives to use on their victims prior to kidnapping them? I mean, ''Film/{{Jigsaw}}'' finally gave us an example of someone who ''didn't'' wake up in uniform time like the other victims, only to be awakened by John due to him realizing how "unfair" it would be to be killed in his sleep, but was there ever an incident where someone had an adverse reaction to the sedative (due to taking something else that screwed with the effectiveness of the drug) or perhaps even an overdose of what they had pumped into them?

* The series' prominent use of AnachronicOrder with {{Sequencing Deception}}s, [[{{Flashback}} Flashbacks]], and repeated use of OnceMoreWithClarity scenes seems like an odd stylistic choice, until you realize that [[JigsawPuzzlePlot the story is basically a jigsaw puzzle]], and you have to put the pieces together yourself.

* The ending of ''Saw 3D'' seems to be the ultimate refusement of Jigsaw's philosophy. If there's anyone throughout the series who has shown both the will and drive to live, it's Hoffman... and yet, he's left to die without any way to escape, not because of every single crime he's committed, but because he killed Jill, John's ex-wife. Combined with everything John does to people he personally disagreed with throughout the rest of the series, it proves conclusively that despite everything he claims, John is really just a bitter, angry man lashing out at the world and adding some window dressing so he can think of himself as a good person.

* Billy the freakish little puppet can seem oddly out of place in a series full of torture machinery and gritty, realistic violence. But consider what the core of the franchise really is: manipulation. Jigsaw is TheChessmaster through and through, and almost everyone, victim or villain, has been at one point a pawn in his long running game, from apprentices like Amanda and Hoffman to hapless hostages like Lynn or Adam. John runs everything behind the scenes all the way to his death, like a gruesome puppet show. Billy is the mascot because he symbolizes the game as a whole and the mechanical nature of Jigsaw's puppetry.

* The series' prominent use of AnachronicOrder with SequencingDeception, [[{{Flashback}} Flashbacks]], and repeated use of OnceMoreWithClarity seems like an odd stylistic choice, until you realize that [[JigsawPuzzlePlot the story is basically a jigsaw puzzle]], and you have to put the pieces together yourself.

* ''Fridge/SawIII''

* Many people have taken issue with the fact that despite Bobby Dagen being the one who is being tested, his wife dies despite his trying his hardest to save her and his friends. Then it occurred to me: In ''V'', Jigsaw mentions that he finds taking credit for someone else's work to be distasteful, especially when that work is inferior to his own. He was referring to Hoffman at the time, but the same basic principle can be applied to Bobby: Bobby was posing as a Jigsaw victim, thus ''imitating'' the other victims. He made up a poorly-conceived trap, when it's fairly obvious to anyone with medical knowledge (such as Dr. Gordon) that the pectoral muscles aren't strong enough to support the weight of the human body. Thus, it would make sense that Bobby is punished the harshest by having to watch his friends and wife die. It's no less inexcusable, but it makes more sense.
** Not exactly. Body modifiers have actually done the body suspension and succeeded doing so. Bobby just needed to put them in deeper to succeed. Of course, he didn't have to impale them into himself; he could've used them as stirrups or put them under his armpits.
** Except it's apparently well-known by that point that Jigsaw and his various apprentices and BoxedCrook patsies ''monitor'' the trap victims remotely. The people in Bobby's support group have probably mentioned cameras being present, or tapes and screens offering messages that demonstrated that they were being watched. So out-and-out ''cheating'' his way through a trap probably didn't seem like a viable strategy.
* A lot of people were bugged because of Jill's strong badassness pretty much was undone by ''Saw 3D''. The problem is one has to look into it a lot more closely. Jill was able to get the drop on [[AxCrazy Mark]] [[KnightTemplar Hoffman]] because he was sitting down and was temporary distracted by his note to Amanda. Jill was able to pretty much own Hoffman with this info and rigged the chair that Hoffman was sitting in. The brilliance comes when you realized Jill is a trained ''doctor'', and isn't someone who clearly is not trained as a fighter. Hoffman is also overall stronger and bigger than her. Jill was hoping for Hoffman's death because she knew that she only had one shot with the Reverse Bear Trap 2.0 and knew that Hoffman would come and kill her, if he lived which is why she went to the police for help.

* It makes one wonder, aside from the fact that he was justifiably angry with being blamed for Seth Baxter's murder and framed/threatened him into being his apprentice, what John saw in Hoffman and how a clever and resourceful man like himself could be ''[[HorribleJudgeOfCharacter so wrong]]'' [[EvilerThanThou about the guy]]. You then have to remember that John had terminal cancer that was gradually getting worse and while he was still rather brilliant in most aspects (obviously enough to build traps, make sure they worked, train his apprentices, overpower his victims, etc.), at the same time he isn't a mind reader and probably never even predicted that Hoffman would someday kill his wife.

* The ending of ''Saw 3D'' seems to be the ultimate refusement of Jigsaw's philosophy. If there's anyone throughout the series who has shown both the will and drive to live, it's Mark Hoffman... and yet, he's left to die without any way to escape, not because of every single crime he's committed, but because he killed Jill, John's ex-wife. Combined with everything John does to people he personally disagreed with throughout the rest of the series, it proves conclusively that despite everything he claims, John is really just a bitter, angry man lashing out at the world and adding some window dressing so he can think of himself as a good person.

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* The ending of ''Saw III'' is a lot, but the sorrow of it is amplified in ''IV'' and ''V'' when you ask: what happened to Corbett, the young girl who initially lost her brother, and has now lost ''both'' of her parents?
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* Billy the freakish little puppet can seem oddly out of place in a series full of torture machinery and gritty, realistic violence. But consider what the core of the franchise really is: manipulation. Jigsaw is TheChessmaster through and through, and almost everyone, victim or villain, has been at one point a pawn in his long running game, from apprentices like Amanda and Hoffman to hapless hostages like Lynn or Adam. John runs everything behind the scenes all the way to his death, like a gruesome puppet show. Billy is the mascot because he symbolizes the game as a whole and the mechanical nature of Jigsaw's puppetry.

* The tagline for ''Saw V'' was, "You won't believe how it ends." Visit the IMDB message board for that film and a lot of people are crying foul, saying they saw Hoffman's framing Strahm as Jigsaw coming a mile away. That's not what the tagline is referring to. Think of how the movie ends; Strahm ends up crushed - pulverized, even - in the wall trap. How many films before ''Saw V'' showed such a trap (hell, even ''Franchise/StarWars'' had it!), but how many of those films showed every f'in detail of the final result? You won't believe how it ends indeed!
** ''Film/Thir13enGhosts'' had it at the end.
* In ''Saw II'', the Razor Blade Box seems to initially be an inescapable trap. However, if one looks at the top of the shot as it pans higher, you can see the lock holding the top of the box closed actually has the key already in the hole. If only its victim had taken a closer look around, she could have avoided a painful and gruesome death.
* Hoffman's trap in ''Saw IV''. Electrocuting an ungrounded person's feet is a truly terrible way to kill them, since the electricity won't go anywhere near the heart... but, since the goal wasn't really to kill Hoffman, it hardly matters.

* It makes one wonder, aside from the fact that he was justifiably angry with being blamed for Seth Baxter's murder and framed/threatened him into being his apprentice, what Jigsaw saw in Hoffman and how a clever and resourceful man like himself could be ''[[HorribleJudgeOfCharacter so wrong]]'' [[EvilerThanThou about the guy]]. You then have to remember that the man had terminal brain cancer that was gradually getting worse and while he was still rather brilliant in most aspects (obviously enough to build traps, make sure they worked, train his apprentices, overpower his victims, etc.), at the same time he isn't a mind reader and probably never even predicted that Hoffman would someday kill his wife.
** Or at the beginning, at the very least. Jigsaw must have realized that should Hoffman find a way to survive his test, then Jill will be in great danger. Which is why he arranged for Dr. Gordon to execute Hoffman just before his death; as ''Saw VI'' implies, John knew Hoffman's sociopathy makes him unfit to continue his legacy.
* The ending of ''Saw 3D'' seems to be the ultimate refusement of Jigsaw's philosophy. If there's anyone throughout the series who has shown both the will and drive to live, it's Mark Hoffman... and yet, he's left to die without any way to escape - not because of every single crime he's committed, but because he killed Jill Tuck, John's wife. Combined with everything John does to people he personally disagreed with throughout the rest of the series, and it proves conclusively that despite everything he claims, John is really just a bitter, angry man lashing out at the world and adding some window dressing so he can think of himself as a good person.

* Although Eric is not an upstanding person, the realization his suicidal tendencies during ''Saw IV'' were most likely sparked due to him [[DramaticIrony believing Daniel was dead, despite the fact his son was alive and safe]] is rather sad.
** The last thing Daniel has of his father are Eric's voicemails apologizing and asking Daniel to call him back after their argument on the boardwalk.
*** The Fridge Sadness for the Matthews worsens when you account for the cut line from ''Saw IV''; where Rigg tells Hoffman that he promised Daniel he'll find his father. Rigg found him, but he found him just a second too early.

* The twist in the original ''Saw'' was definitely cool, but after the adrenaline wore off, logic tried to reassert itself. How did John stay so still? How did they not hear him breathing? When you rewatch the film, it gives you the answers: presumably he took the same nerve agent that kept the man from whom Amanda had to retrieve the key to her trap immobile, and his breath would naturally be rather weak given that he had cancer.
** Flashbacks of ''Saw III'' confirm this.
* ''Saw IV'' - while being a clusterfuck example of fragmented narrative, to say the least - had one part that seemed illogical at first, but made sense later (like a year later). When Rigg freed Brenda from that hair pulling contraption, and then she later pulled out a knife stored in a cabinet, it brings out a curious question. How come she didn't tell him it was there, so he could free her from the device by cutting her hair instead of a slow reveal of the combination? It certainly would've eliminated any risk and/or extreme pain? Later, it became apparent that the test was a double entendre, based off Jigsaw's lesson in Saw IV: the only way people can be saved is to save themselves. If the blonde woman really valued her life, she would've told Rigg about the knife, but her selfishness became her undoing - t3hdow
** Actually, the reason she doesn't tell Rigg about it is that she doesn't know it's a knife. The tape tells her there is something in the cabinet to help her deal with her Rigg problem, but the tape doesn't say what it is.
*** Huh. I must've misremembered that part. [[FridgeLogic But if that's true, Jigsaw's intentions make even less sense]]. Even though Jigsaw knew Rigg wouldn't let her die, he wanted Rigg to know that saving everyone is a toxic idea. If Rigg followed that philosophy from the beginning, there's no way the blonde would've had any chance of saving herself besides telling Rigg about the hidden weapon (which could've been anything) and hope it'll help remove her from the device besides the official, painful way. Compared to the other victims, her's isn't as clear cut, and does nothing to help save the blonde either way. Then again, considering how hypocritical Jigsaw is...
** Actually, if Rigg had followed the philosophy behind his game from the beginning, her trap might not have even activated to begin with, it's only when he rips one of the covers off that the trap activates, if he'd left her alone, one of two things would have happened; 1) The police would have found her (either because the neighbors would hear her screaming, or because the police eventually start looking for Rigg anyway), or 2) Her trap would have activated by itself, but it's one of the only ''[[CruelMercy non-fatal]]'' traps in the series (or at least, not immediately fatal), so there's a good chance she'll either be found in time, or it'll release her anyway and she'll get help in time.

* When I saw ''Saw II'', I was annoyed at how the ending cut off so suddenly. Sure, Amanda's FaceHeelTurn/backstory reveal was cool even though I already knew who she'd be (although I thought she turned between the second and third films and was wondering "If he's there [in the safe], where's Amanda!?" so it wasn't a complete waste of a good twist ending), but it seemed a little hollow. A while later I realized: The house wasn't Jigsaw's game, and Amanda's game for Matthews wasn't for him to escape before the tape ran out, ''the whole film was the game she had set up for him!'' The "game over" was much more satisfying once I realized that Jigsaw's game hadn't led him to Amanda's trap, but it was ''entirely'' Amanda's trap and he'd already failed!
** To add to that, what made the twist of Amanda being Jigsaw's accomplice really work was the realization afterward that you should not have been remotely surprised if you actually thought about it for a moment. She claims that she's being punished for being "naughty", with a flashback scene of her cutting herself. But as is revealed at the end of the film, with the same scene shown but with a wider shot showing Jigsaw rooting her on, a man whose entire philosophy is based on proving through bloodshed that you value life would hardly have condemned her for such an act.
*** I saw that as her giving herself the scars to make her story convincing. After all, Paul was placed in the Razor Wire Maze because he cut himself (although he only did it for attention).
*** Also, as noted in the [[WordOfGod Director Commentary]], not once during the entirety of the gas house did Amanda show symptoms of the gas such as the coughing everyone else did.

* The reveal of Hoffman & Amanda as Jigsaw's apprentices were twists in and of themselves. What makes them FridgeBrilliance, however, is when you realize that they revealed themselves exactly the same way that John did back in the original ''Saw'': They were presented as mere victims in their traps, only to reveal to their ultimate victims that they were the ones ''manipulating'' the traps.
* ''Saw VI''- Most people seem to complain that the people in the various traps really didn't deserve to die; the insurance man was the real bad guy in the like. So what's the point of their deaths? Well, like always, Jigsaw says "live or die, make your choice" to his true victim, in this case Mr. Insurance. Playing off the themes of one life vs. another, think about what would've happened if the Insurance guy had decided that the janitor's life was more important than his and committed suicide by hyperventilating. Would the merry-go-round or any of the other traps ever have activated? Ultimately, by not seeing the intrinsic value of a lowly but clean janitor's life against his own tainted life, the blood is all on his hands for his initial selfish decision. -TehPuppitz
** Also, William may have deserved his death simply because when he chose who deserved to live, he [[MenAreTheExpendableGender let ALL his male employees die]], the same way he had let both [[KnightTemplar Jigsaw]] and [[PosthumousCharacter Harold]] die, thus showing he hadn't learned his lesson - he dismissed a gender ''as a whole'' - and failing the test. Also, the Carousel Trap seems to be programmed to keep the worst people alive as long as possible (notice that Emily is 2nd while [[TheScrappy Shelby]] is 5th) similar to the method used by the killer in ''Literature/AndThenThereWereNone'', openly suggesting William to save the first two (Aaron and Emily). - Marc3K
** What many people- and apparently Jigsaw- failed to consider was that the insurance people are just middlemen. The ''real'' culprits of Harold's death would be the doctors who refused to treat him unless they got paid.

* In ''Saw II'', Amanda and Daniel are the only ones in the house who aren't coughing or showing other signs of dying. This shows that they have already been given the antidote.

* When I saw ''Saw II'', I was annoyed at how the ending cut off so suddenly. Sure, Amanda's FaceHeelTurn/backstory reveal was cool even though I already knew who she'd be (although I thought she turned between the second and third films and was wondering "If he's there [in the safe], where's Amanda!?" so it wasn't a complete waste of a good twist ending), but it seemed a little hollow. A while later I realized: The house wasn't Jigsaw's game, and Amanda's game for Matthews wasn't for him to escape before the tape ran out, ''the whole film was the game she had set up for him!'' The Game Over was much more satisfying once I realized that Jigsaw's game hadn't led him to Amanda's trap, but it was ''entirely'' Amanda's trap and he'd already failed!

** The twist in the original ''Saw'' was definitely cool, but after the adrenaline wore off logic tried to reassert itself. How did John stay so still? How did they not hear him breathing? When you rewatch the film, it gives you the answers: presumably he took the same nerve agent that kept the man from whom Amanda had to retrieve the key to her trap immobile, and his breath would naturally be rather weak given that he had cancer.
*** ''Saw III'' confirmed what was mentioned above.
** ''Saw IV'' - while being a clusterfuck example of fragmented narrative, to say the least - had one part that seemed illogical at first, but made sense later (like a year later). When Rigg freed Brenda from that hair pulling contraption, and then she later pulled out a knife stored in a cabinet, it brings out a curious question. How come she didn't tell him it was there, so he could free her from the device by cutting her hair instead of a slow reveal of the combination? It certainly would've eliminated any risk and/or extreme pain? Later, it became apparent that the test was a double entendre, based off Jigsaw's lesson in Saw IV: the only way people can be saved is to save themselves. If the blonde woman really valued her life, she would've told Rigg about the knife, but her selfishness became her undoing - t3hdow
*** Actually, the reason she doesn't tell Rigg about it is that she doesn't know it's a knife. The tape tells her there is something in the cabinet to help her deal with her Rigg problem, but the tape doesn't say what it is.

*** Actually, if Rigg had followed the philosophy behind his game from the beginning, her trap might not have even activated to begin with, it's only when he rips one of the covers off that the trap activates, if he'd left her alone, one of two things would have happened; 1) The police would have found her (either because the neighbors would hear her screaming, or because the police eventually start looking for Rigg anyway), or 2) Her trap would have activated by itself, but it's one of the only ''[[CruelMercy non-fatal]]'' traps in the series (or at least, not immediately fatal), so there's a good chance she'll either be found in time, or it'll release her anyway and she'll get help in time.
*** The reveal of Hoffman & Amanda as Jigsaw's apprentices were twists in and of themselves. What makes them FridgeBrilliance, however, is when you realize that they revealed themselves exactly the same way that John did back in the original ''Saw'': They were presented as mere victims in their traps, only to reveal to their ultimate victims that they were the ones ''manipulating'' the traps.
** ''Saw VI''- Most people seem to complain that the people in the various traps really didn't deserve to die; the insurance man was the real bad guy in the like. So what's the point of their deaths? Well, like always, Jigsaw says "live or die, make your choice" to his true victim, in this case Mr. Insurance. Playing off the themes of one life vs. another, think about what would've happened if the Insurance guy had decided that the janitor's life was more important than his and committed suicide by hyperventilating. Would the merry-go-round or any of the other traps ever have activated? Ultimately, by not seeing the intrinsic value of a lowly but clean janitor's life against his own tainted life, the blood is all on his hands for his initial selfish decision. -TehPuppitz
*** Also, William may have deserved his death simply because when he chose who deserved to live, he [[MenAreTheExpendableGender let ALL his male employees die]], the same way he had let both [[KnightTemplar Jigsaw]] and [[PosthumousCharacter Harold]] die, thus showing he hadn't learned his lesson - he dismissed a gender ''as a whole'' - and failing the test. Also, the Carousel Trap seems to be programmed to keep the worst people alive as long as possible (notice that Emily is 2nd while [[TheScrappy Shelby]] is 5th) similar to the method used by the killer in ''Literature/AndThenThereWereNone'', openly suggesting William to save the first two (Aaron and Emily). - Marc3K
*** What many people- and apparently Jigsaw- failed to consider was that the insurance people are just middlemen. The ''real'' culprits of Harold's death would be the doctors who refused to treat him unless they got paid.

* Many people have taken issue with the fact that despite Bobby Dagen being the one who is being tested, his wife dies despite his trying his hardest to save her and his friends. Then it occurred to me: In V, Jigsaw mentions that he finds taking credit for someone else's work to be distasteful, especially when that work is inferior to his own. He was referring to Hoffman at the time, but the same basic principle can be applied to Bobby: Bobby was posing as a Jigsaw victim, thus ''imitating'' the other victims. He made up a poorly-conceived trap, when it's fairly obvious to anyone with medical knowledge (such as Doctor Gordon) that the pectoral muscles aren't strong enough to support the weight of the human body. Thus, it would make sense that Bobby is punished the harshest by having to watch his friends and wife die. It's no less inexcusable, but it makes more sense.

** Except it's apparently well known by that point that Jigsaw and his various apprentices and BoxedCrook patsies ''monitor'' the trap victims remotely. The people in Bobby's support group have probably mentioned cameras being present, or tapes and screens offering messages that demonstrated that they were being watched. So out-and-out ''cheating'' his way through a trap probably didn't seem like a viable strategy.

* Hoffman's trap in ''Saw IV''. Electrocuting an ungrounded person's feet is a truly terrible way to kill them, since the electricity won't go anywhere near the heart...but, since the goal wasn't really to kill Hoffman, it hardly matters.
* The series' prominent use of AnachronicOrder with SequencingDeception, [[{{Flashback}} Flashbacks]], and repeated use of OnceMoreWithClarity seems like an odd stylistic choice until you realize that the story is a jigsaw puzzle, and you have to put the pieces together yourself.
* It makes one wonder, aside from the fact that he was justifiably angry with being blamed for Seth Baxter's murder and framed/threatened him into being his apprentice, what Jigsaw saw in Hoffman and how a clever and resourceful man like himself could be ''[[HorribleJudgeOfCharacter so wrong]]'' [[EvilerThanThou about the guy.]] You then have to remember that the man had terminal brain cancer that was gradually getting worse and while he was still rather brilliant in most aspects (obviously enough to build traps, make sure they worked, train his apprentices, overpower his victims, etc.), at the same time he isn't a mind reader and probably never even predicted that Hoffman would someday kill his wife.

* The ending of Saw 3D seems to be the ultimate refusement of Jigsaw's philosophy. If there's anyone throughout the series who has shown both the will and drive to live, it's Mark Hoffman... and yet, he's left to die without any way to escape - not because of every single crime he's committed, but because he killed Jill Tuck, John's wife. Combined with everything John does to people he personally disagreed with throughout the rest of the series, and it proves conclusively that despite everything he claims, John is really just a bitter, angry man lashing out at the world and adding some window dressing so he can think of himself as a good person.

* In the sixth film, Brent kills William in cold blood right in front of his innocent sister, meaning there is a witness who is probably going to tell the police about his actions. True, the viewer probably doesn’t give a shit about [[TheScrappy Brent]], but what about his mom? The poor woman just lost her husband and now her son is likely going to do time in prison.
* Also from ''VI''; there's no indication that the button for the carousel trap actually disables after William presses it twice. What if there wasn't a limit? What if he could have saved all six of them?

* If Amanda was able to emotionally breakdown even before the letter, what happens to the other people who lived from the traps? How emotionally miserable would they become?
* If John could predict human behavior, then he knew that, at the end of the sixth film's main game, Brent would kill William. This means that he knew William would die, even if he had redeemed himself and learned his lesson, which, considering all he went through and who he chose to let live, he certainly did. This means that William's game was no more of a test than Amanda's traps; it was only a death trap. Yes, that means Jigsaw is guilty of using one of his games as revenge, rather than trying to teach someone a lesson. The fact that this game was part of his "final wish" says something about his priorities.
** John could also predict that William was going to save only the women, which could also have been planned to enrage [[TheScrappy Brent]] further, because in his imbalanced state, the kid could easily be swayed to believe William's decision of refusing to cover his dad was based partly on gender.
*** I think that people might be seriously over-interpreting this sexism angle - I never even noticed it when I saw the movie and I don't recall any references being made in the characters' dialogue to this being an issue.
*** Well, there were Josh's last words, when he yelled at him for being "pussy-whipped" and how "a bitch" takes precedence...
*** That only proves that ''Josh'' is sexist, not that William is.
*** Keep in mind that he did decide to spare the old lady with a family over a young male loner. And then he let a supposed pregnant woman die because he couldn't make up his mind; the other male characters didn't put much of argument in their favor (one of them even tried to bribe him). I'm not sure gender was the issue.
*** Well, apart from Emily nobody made much of an argument in their favor. AND he still didn't save any man, and one of the three women he saves was exposed as lying, along with the only one he didn't, so we can say gender IS an issue. And it makes sense that these choices could be interpreted by an angry grieving teenager as sexism, because you can make the case that it unconsciously is. And TBH, killing the loner because 'no one would miss him' was the wrong choice to make.
*** Considering how messed up William's head clearly was by the time the carousel's potential targets were reduced to two, it's entirely plausible that he decided ''not to decide at all'', and just left it to luck: whichever person was the next to halt in front of the shotgun, male or female, he'd save. It's not like he was demonstrably counting how many spaces it turned between one firing and the next, after all; between the pain, horror, guilt, grief, fear, ''and'' having the entire Dog Pit shouting at him and each other non-stop, the guy was barely coherent by then. Hell, he couldn't even ''look'' at the trap anymore.
* Think of some of the traps, and what would happen if they somehow went wrong. For instance, the Venus Fly Trap from the beginning of ''Saw II''. Imagine what would happen if Michael was in the middle of cutting his eye when the mask closed. His arms would get entangled and would smash into his face, leaving him in immense pain of his broken arms and of having several spikes in his head until he eventually died of blood loss.

* Crossing over with fridge horror but how is it that John, Amanda, Hoffman and so forth were able to seemingly know how much of the sedatives to use on their victims prior to kidnapping them? I mean, ''Film/{{Jigsaw}}'' finally gave us an example of someone who ''didn't'' wake up in uniform time like the other victims, only to be awakened by John due to him realizing how "unfair" it would be to be killed in his sleep, but was there ever an incident where someone had an adverse reaction to the sedative (due to taking something else that screwed with the effectiveness of the drug) or perhaps even an overdose of what they had pumped into them?

* Crossing over with fridge horror but how is it that Jigsaw and Amanda, Hoffman and so forth were able to seemingly know how much of the sedatives to use on their victims prior to kidnapping them? I mean ''Film/{{Jigsaw}}'' finally gave us an example of someone who ''didn't'' wake up in uniform time like the other victims, only to be awakened by Kramer due to him realizing how "unfair" it would be to be killed in his sleep, but was there ever an incident where someone had an adverse reaction to the sedative (due to taking something else that screwed with the effectiveness of the drug) or perhaps even an overdose of what they had pumped into them?
** Who's to say that the only games Jigsaw set up were the ones seen by the viewer? There could be numerous other incidents that the films never showed, and anything (accidental overdose of a victim, for example) could have happened during those instances. This applies to pretty much every fictional universe, actually. There's almost infinite possibility regarding events we simply never see.

* In ''Jigsaw'', with the part consisting of the three syringes, why didn't they just test them on the ground? Surely the acid-filled one's reaction would have been obvious.
** Depends how strong the acid is, and what the floor's actually made of in that room. At a minimum, though, they might at least have tested a single drop on someone's ''skin'', to check if it stung, before shooting it into Carly's bloodstream... maybe even ''Carly's'' skin, since it was her life most at stake. Given that they'd ''already'' shown they had the nerve to touch a spinning saw blade, it can't even be argued that they feared the risk of a painful chemical burn too much to try.

* The ending of ''Saw III'' is a lot; but the sorrow of it is amplified in ''IV'' and ''V'' when you ask: what happened to Corbett, the young girl who initially lost her brother, and has now lost ''both'' of her parents?

* Although Eric Matthews is not an upstanding person, the realization his suicidal tendencies during Saw IV were most likely sparked due to him [[DramaticIrony believing Daniel was dead; despite the fact his son was alive]] and safe is rather sad.
** The last thing Daniel has of his father are Eric's voicemails apologizing and asking Daniel to call him back after their argument on the boardwalk.
*** The Fridge Sadness for the Matthews worsens when you account for the cut line from Saw IV; where Rigg tells Hoffman that he promised Daniel he'll find his father. Rigg found him, but he found him just a second too early.
* The ending of Saw III is a lot; but the sorrow of it is amplified when you ask; What happens to Corbett, the young girl who initially lost her brother - who has now lost ''both'' of her parents?

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* The ending of Saw III is a lot; but the sorrow of it is amplified when you ask; What happens to Corbett, the young girl who initially lost her brother - who has now lost *both* of her parents?