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8th Aug '17 11:52:20 AM CosmicFerret
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* Though this one is a bit of a stretch: The Ogre Wars. Why Ogres? They could've chosen any mythical beast. Well, what [[Creator/DreamWorks company]] is Disney constantly in competition with? (besides Warner Bros., their rivalry is kind of dead) And what [[{{Shrek}} movie]] of said rival company is constantly taking [[TakeThat jabs]] at Disney? Perhaps the writers thought it was time to take a jab back?

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* Though this one is a bit of a stretch: The Ogre Wars. Why Ogres? They could've chosen any mythical beast. Well, what [[Creator/DreamWorks company]] is Disney constantly in competition with? (besides Warner Bros., their rivalry is kind of dead) And what [[{{Shrek}} [[WesternAnimation/{{Shrek}} movie]] of said rival company is constantly taking [[TakeThat jabs]] at Disney? Perhaps the writers thought it was time to take a jab back?
22nd Jul '17 10:14:41 PM ILockedMyselfOut
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[[AC: Season 7]]
* [[spoiler: Of ''course'' there's more than one Enchanted Forest. In real life, stories are retold in varying ways by different authors, with changes ranging from mild to drastic. It would make sense for the Fairy Tale Land to reflect this.]]
10th Jul '17 11:19:26 AM huberd
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* This might also cross with Fridge Horror. Why did [[spoiler:Helga immediately got frozen into ice and shattered to pieces in less than a few minutes]], while back in the Frozen film, [[spoiler:Anna got hit by Elsa and only slowly got closer and closer to freezing into solid ice and not actually shattered when she finally did turned to solid ice?]] It's because when [[spoiler:Helga]] got hit by [[spoiler:Ingird]], it was direct. When [[spoiler:Anna]] got hit by [[spoiler:Elsa]], it was from a shock wave of ice magic that struck her, and it wasn't as powerful.

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* This might also cross with Fridge Horror. Why did [[spoiler:Helga immediately got frozen freeze into ice and shattered shatter to pieces in less than a few minutes]], while back in the Frozen film, [[spoiler:Anna got hit by Elsa and only slowly got closer and closer to freezing into solid ice and not actually shattered shatter when she finally did turned turn to solid ice?]] It's because when [[spoiler:Helga]] got hit by [[spoiler:Ingird]], [[spoiler:Ingrid]], it was direct. When [[spoiler:Anna]] got hit by [[spoiler:Elsa]], it was from a shock wave of ice magic that struck her, and it wasn't as powerful.
10th Jul '17 10:34:30 AM huberd
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* Why did Regina lock up Belle? Belle, who is one of the few characters NOT to cross her? To make Gold miserable? That's probably a bonus. But the curse of Storybrooke can only be broken by true love's kiss, and it's pretty strongly suggested that Belle and Rumpelstiltskin would've had true love's kiss had he not rejected her. While we know that Emma's the savior who will break the curse, it's hinted that Regina doesn't know HOW it will be broken. Why not cover all the bases and make sure nobody who fits the criteria for True Love's Kiss is together in Storybrooke? It both makes them miserable AND is extra security that the curse will stay in effect. Futhermore, while it's fuzzy how the time frame falls, but it's plausible she was kept as a contingency plane. Seeing as how Rumpel is both a stronger magic user than Regina by far, and has cut a deal to be able to recall his Fairy Tale life. Considering this is a man who does nothing without some manner of an agenda, not having an ace in the hole is foolisness at the very best.

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* Why did Regina lock up Belle? Belle, who is one of the few characters NOT to cross her? To make Gold miserable? That's probably a bonus. But the curse of Storybrooke can only be broken by true love's kiss, and it's pretty strongly suggested that Belle and Rumpelstiltskin would've had true love's kiss had he not rejected her. While we know that Emma's the savior who will break the curse, it's hinted that Regina doesn't know HOW it will be broken. Why not cover all the bases and make sure nobody who fits the criteria for True Love's Kiss is together in Storybrooke? It both makes them miserable AND is extra security that the curse will stay in effect. Futhermore, Furthermore, while it's fuzzy how the time frame falls, but it's plausible she was kept as a contingency plane. Seeing as how Rumpel is both a stronger magic user than Regina by far, and has cut a deal to be able to recall his Fairy Tale life. Considering this is a man who does nothing without some manner of an agenda, not having an ace in the hole is foolisness foolishness at the very best.



* Now that it's revealed that [[spoiler:August is Pinnochio]], there's one thing that stumped this troper. [[spoiler:August]] has dark hair while [[spoiler:Pinnochio's is red]]. Then it was pointed out to me that [[spoiler:wood]] darkens with age.

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* Now that it's revealed that [[spoiler:August is Pinnochio]], Pinocchio]], there's one thing that stumped this troper. [[spoiler:August]] has dark hair while [[spoiler:Pinnochio's [[spoiler:Pinocchio's is red]]. Then it was pointed out to me that [[spoiler:wood]] darkens with age.



* It might seem strange at first that [[spoiler: Baelfire]] bolts when hearing Emma's voice on his apartment intercom. But once it's revealed that he is also [[spoiler: Neal Cassady]], it makes perfect sense. [[spoiler: Who wouldn't head for the hills upon hearing the voice of the ex-girlfriend that they broke up with and left to be taken in by the cops for several counts of theft?]] He probably figured Emma was there for payback.
* At first, it seems that the Oracle was only introduce to explain how Rumplestiltskin knew that he'd find Baelfire alive after waiting a couple of centuries to find him. But it explains something else too - world travelling isn't common in the old days, but it isn't uncommon either. This is before the Giants were all killed. The other Oracles found translating the images of the future to be confusing - but Rumplestiltskin was particularly focused on Storybrooke and its inhabitants. He would have found translating the future to be confusing too, but he might have gotten a few rough stories because of the additional power of the Dark One. Not sensible sounding stories - but stories that might be fun, if they were somehow transported to another world, and made it into the hands of the Brothers Grimm. Frankenstein and Peter Pan probably didn't make it into the book because he didn't focus on them when trying to find his son - their stories entered the world later.

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* It might seem strange at first that [[spoiler: Baelfire]] bolts when hearing Emma's voice on his apartment intercom. But once it's revealed that he is also [[spoiler: Neal Cassady]], Cassidy]], it makes perfect sense. [[spoiler: Who wouldn't head for the hills upon hearing the voice of the ex-girlfriend that they broke up with and left to be taken in by the cops for several counts of theft?]] He probably figured Emma was there for payback.
* At first, it seems that the Oracle was only introduce to explain how Rumplestiltskin knew that he'd find Baelfire alive after waiting a couple of centuries to find him. But it explains something else too - world travelling traveling isn't common in the old days, but it isn't uncommon either. This is before the Giants were all killed. The other Oracles found translating the images of the future to be confusing - but Rumplestiltskin was particularly focused on Storybrooke and its inhabitants. He would have found translating the future to be confusing too, but he might have gotten a few rough stories because of the additional power of the Dark One. Not sensible sounding stories - but stories that might be fun, if they were somehow transported to another world, and made it into the hands of the Brothers Grimm. Frankenstein and Peter Pan probably didn't make it into the book because he didn't focus on them when trying to find his son - their stories entered the world later.



** [[spoiler: It's now been revealed that their "science" was given to them by John and Michael Darling, who Pan uses as the "go-betweens" for Neverland and Earth. They've travelled back and forth through the century, presumably via the Shadow, and formed the organization to "destroy magic" as a front for Pan's plan to get the Heart of the Truest Believer.]]

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** [[spoiler: It's now been revealed that their "science" was given to them by John and Michael Darling, who Pan uses as the "go-betweens" for Neverland and Earth. They've travelled traveled back and forth through the century, presumably via the Shadow, and formed the organization to "destroy magic" as a front for Pan's plan to get the Heart of the Truest Believer.]]



** In "Nasty Habbits", Rumpel mentions to Bae how he and Pan were close when Rumpel "was growing up." How they found Neverland and Pan betrayed him there. He then adds "He fooled me for a long time before I finally saw his true nature, and it's as dark and repulsive as anything you should ever be exposed to." [[spoiler: "Think Lovely Thoughts" explains everything before that last part. The backstory ends with Rumpel seemingly still loving and missing his dad. In "Nasty Habbits" flashback, we see Rumpel and Pan's first meeting in ages and Rumpel already knows that his father is going by what Rumpel named his old doll. It's also established that children can come to Neverland in their dreams but never stay. So it's entirely conceivable that child Rumpel had seen Neverland and his father again in his dreams, and that's when it became clear to him that his father had absolutely zero remorse for the choice he made to abandon Rumpel in order to regain his youth. That is what Rumpel meant by "finally seeing his true dark, repulsive nature." It's the moment he [[BrokenPedestal lost all faith in his old man.]]]]

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** In "Nasty Habbits", Rumpel mentions to Bae how he and Pan were close when Rumpel "was growing up." How they found Neverland and Pan betrayed him there. He then adds "He fooled me for a long time before I finally saw his true nature, and it's as dark and repulsive as anything you should ever be exposed to." [[spoiler: "Think Lovely Thoughts" explains everything before that last part. The backstory ends with Rumpel seemingly still loving and missing his dad. In "Nasty Habbits" Habits" flashback, we see Rumpel and Pan's first meeting in ages and Rumpel already knows that his father is going by what Rumpel named his old doll. It's also established that children can come to Neverland in their dreams but never stay. So it's entirely conceivable that child Rumpel had seen Neverland and his father again in his dreams, and that's when it became clear to him that his father had absolutely zero remorse for the choice he made to abandon Rumpel in order to regain his youth. That is what Rumpel meant by "finally seeing his true dark, repulsive nature." It's the moment he [[BrokenPedestal lost all faith in his old man.]]]]



* Episode 4x03 "Rocky Road", Elsa assumed that the reason Emma was so distant to Hook was because of her responsibility: "When you have the weight of the world on your shoulders, it's hard to fully trust someone, even when they want what's best for you". Her assumption was revealed by the end of the episode to be wrong. Emma's reason is a lot more personal and emotional. This was entirely in character with Elsa's personality from the movie, she may become a HighQueen by the end, but she still have zero experience with love and only speak from experience, it wouldn't make sense for Elsa to suddenly become a love Guru without any justification. This also further prove the creators's claim that Elsa is a CelibateHeroine earlier in the season.

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* Episode 4x03 "Rocky Road", Elsa assumed that the reason Emma was so distant to Hook was because of her responsibility: "When you have the weight of the world on your shoulders, it's hard to fully trust someone, even when they want what's best for you". Her assumption was revealed by the end of the episode to be wrong. Emma's reason is a lot more personal and emotional. This was entirely in character with Elsa's personality from the movie, she may become a HighQueen by the end, but she still have zero experience with love and only speak from experience, it wouldn't make sense for Elsa to suddenly become a love Guru without any justification. This also further prove the creators's creators' claim that Elsa is a CelibateHeroine earlier in the season.



* After seeing Isaac's actions and motivations it is likely that the Author before him [[spoiler: Walt Disney]] was a GoodCounterpart. [[spoiler: Walt]] did much the same as Isaac in using his position as an Author to create his own stories and benefit himself from doing so. Unlike Isaac however he didn't abuse his position by making others into a CosmicPlaything and the fame and fortune were not his main focus, just writing stories.

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* After seeing Isaac's actions and motivations it is likely that the Author before him [[spoiler: Walt Disney]] was a GoodCounterpart. [[spoiler: Walt]] did much the same as Isaac in using his position as an Author to create his own stories and benefit himself from doing so. Unlike Isaac however he [[spoiler: Walt Disney]] didn't abuse his position by making others into a CosmicPlaything interfering with people's free will, and the fame and fortune were not his main focus, just writing stories.



* Rumplestiltskin [[spoiler: promising the healer his secondborn child]] in exchange for the potion was actually a very good deal on his part. Not only he had all the reasons to believe [[spoiler: Milah wouldn't have wanted another child with him]], but also [[spoiler: if ''he'' didn't want another child, as his words watching Harry seem to imply, they wouldn't have had another one anyway]].

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* Rumplestiltskin [[spoiler: promising the healer his secondborn child]] in exchange for the potion was actually a very good deal on his part. Not only he had all the reasons to believe [[spoiler: Milah wouldn't have wanted another child with him]], but also [[spoiler: if ''he'' didn't want another child, as his words watching Harry seem to imply, they wouldn't have had another one anyway]]. anyway]].



* [[spoiler:Cora being the Queen of Hearts]] explains a great many things are explained about Henry I's behaviour: he's Disney's portrayal of the [[spoiler:King of Hearts]], incapable of stopping his wife from doing anything. It also explains why he was shrunken in Wonderland: Disney's [[spoiler:Alice in Wonderland portrays the King as quite tiny.]]

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* [[spoiler:Cora being the Queen of Hearts]] explains a great many things are explained about Henry I's behaviour: behavior: he's Disney's portrayal of the [[spoiler:King of Hearts]], incapable of stopping his wife from doing anything. It also explains why he was shrunken in Wonderland: Disney's [[spoiler:Alice in Wonderland portrays the King as quite tiny.]]



* William Smee becomes Hook's right-hand man rather quickly despite being the newest addition to his crew. Then it is revealed that Hook's crew is mainly composed of sailors who've mostly never experienced the criminal life while Smee is a already a well-known, seasoned thief. He won Hook's favour out of experience.
* Coupled with the FridgeHorror below, ParentalAbandonment is one of the keystones of the plot, and as mwentioned below, there were 4 generations of it over the course of the show. However, the brilliance comes in when you consider why the Charming Family motto is so important (and it can be borrowed so many times by others. Heck, Rumple used it after his accidental abandonment). "I will always find you" is the promise made that no matter what happens, no matter how bad or how far you're separated from those you care about, the will to find them and hold onto them is what allows you to EarnYourHappyEnding. It's an acceptance of the bad times, and a promise to yourself that good times will return.

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* William Smee becomes Hook's right-hand man rather quickly despite being the newest addition to his crew. Then it is revealed that Hook's crew is mainly composed of sailors who've mostly never experienced the criminal life while Smee is a already a well-known, seasoned thief. He won Hook's favour favor out of experience.
* Coupled with the FridgeHorror below, ParentalAbandonment is one of the keystones of the plot, and as mwentioned mentioned below, there were 4 generations of it over the course of the show. However, the brilliance comes in when you consider why the Charming Family motto is so important (and it can be borrowed so many times by others. Heck, Rumple used it after his accidental abandonment). "I will always find you" is the promise made that no matter what happens, no matter how bad or how far you're separated from those you care about, the will to find them and hold onto them is what allows you to EarnYourHappyEnding. It's an acceptance of the bad times, and a promise to yourself that good times will return.



* If Snow White had stepped into the enchanted tree while pregnant, and the enchanted tree could only transport one person, that could mean it would either teleport Snow to our world leaving an unborn fetus in the tree, or vice-versa, if it considered the soon-to-be-born Emma a separate person. It's a pretty good thing Snow gave birth before they had to use it.

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* If Snow White had stepped into the enchanted tree while pregnant, and the enchanted tree could only transport one person, that could mean it would either teleport Snow to our world leaving an unborn fetus baby in the tree, or vice-versa, if it considered the soon-to-be-born Emma a separate person. It's a pretty good thing Snow gave birth before they had to use it.



** Merida also comments to Arthur that he has no idea of the "dark path" that blaming herself for her father's death sent her on. It's likely that she ''still'' blames herself for Fergus death

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** Merida also comments to Arthur that he has no idea of the "dark path" that blaming herself for her father's death sent her on. It's likely that she ''still'' blames herself for Fergus deathFergus' death.
12th Jun '17 4:12:18 PM Psyga315
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* Isaac's request for tickets to {{Theatre/Hamilton}} may seem to be a sort of nod to the fact that the playwright of the musical also did music for {{Disney/Moana}}, but consider that one of Hamilton's major traits is his ability to write, with one of his feats being him writing fifty one pages of the 85-paged Federalist Papers. As an author, this is one trait that Isaac would most definitely sympathize with.


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* While we know what happens to Isaac, it's horrifying to imagine that someone went missing after taking up a job offer from a publisher, then turn up missing for many decades until he returns to society after being held prisoner in a small town in Maine that is so obscured to the human eye by magic that it might as well be a ghost town.
10th Jun '17 7:31:29 PM 4power4
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* Maleficent's attire and demeanor in her first appearance is entirely different than how she appears in later seasons. Blonde haired, gold crowns and pink dresses aren't what the Mistress Of All Evil is known for, but it makes sense when you think why that must be: Maleficent is dressed more softly and more femininely (and less threateningly) because she's in her ''maternal state.'' The point where meet her in the second episode she's pregnant. The only other time we see her wearing pink and with her hair out is when she has given birth.
14th May '17 8:09:41 PM Psyga315
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** It also makes a lot of sense given how [[spoiler:a Changeling and Rumpelstiltskin are so similar in stories: both are baby snatchers.]]
13th May '17 3:06:23 PM MsShayxPear
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* If you think about it... Tiger Lily is indirectly responsible for every atrocity committed by The Black Fairy, Peter Pan and Rumpelstiltskin.

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* If you think about it... Tiger Lily is indirectly responsible for every single atrocity committed by The Black Fairy, Peter Pan and Rumpelstiltskin.



*** Then Pan wouldn't have spent all Rumpel's childhood bitter over the loss of his wife and resenting his son for indirectly causing it. Which lead him to abandon his son and became Pan so he could have power and stay young
*** And of course if Rumpel hadn't been abandoned by both his parents after growing up with a father who resented him he wouldn't have so fiercely protective of Bae to the point where he was willing to become the Dark One to save him
*** Hell you can probably add Cora, Zelena and Regina to the list of villaisn indirectly created by Tiger Lily's actions as Rumpel taught them all, rejected Zelena... and molded Regina into the woman he needed to cast the curse

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*** ** Then Pan wouldn't have spent all Rumpel's childhood bitter over the loss of his wife and resenting his son for indirectly causing it. Which lead him to abandon his son and became Pan so he could have power and stay young
*** ** And of course if Rumpel hadn't been abandoned by both his parents after growing up with a father who resented him he wouldn't have so fiercely protective of Bae to the point where he was willing to become the Dark One to save him
*** ** Hell you can probably add Cora, Zelena and Regina to the list of villaisn villains indirectly created by Tiger Lily's actions as Rumpel taught them all, rejected Zelena... and molded Regina into the woman he needed to cast the curse
13th May '17 3:04:34 PM MsShayxPear
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*If you think about it... Tiger Lily is indirectly responsible for every atrocity committed by The Black Fairy, Peter Pan and Rumpelstiltskin.
**If she hadn't given Fiona those books of fairy lore Fiona wouldn't have gone over the deep end trying to protect her son.. and become the Black Fairy. Resulting in her banishment by Blue and separation from her family.
***Then Pan wouldn't have spent all Rumpel's childhood bitter over the loss of his wife and resenting his son for indirectly causing it. Which lead him to abandon his son and became Pan so he could have power and stay young
****And of course if Rumpel hadn't been abandoned by both his parents after growing up with a father who resented him he wouldn't have so fiercely protective of Bae to the point where he was willing to become the Dark One to save him
*****Hell you can probably add Cora, Zelena and Regina to the list of villaisn indirectly created by Tiger Lily's actions as Rumpel taught them all, rejected Zelena... and molded Regina into the woman he needed to cast the curse
6th Apr '17 2:17:51 PM Gosicrystal
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* Snow for all intents and purposes was kidnapped by her negatives emotions toward Regina, Prince Charming went after her with some help from some new friends and end up saving her from herself. Now think about the fact that there is a magic mirror (if not necessarily appearing in said episode) involved in the story of Snow White and the entire episode has several interesting parallels to the tale of Literature/TheSnowQueen. Make you wonder if TheDevTeamThinksOfEverything or if it's just some contrived coincidence.

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* Snow for all intents and purposes was kidnapped by her negatives emotions toward Regina, Prince Charming went after her with some help from some new friends and end up saving her from herself. Now think about the fact that there is a magic mirror (if not necessarily appearing in said episode) involved in the story of Snow White and the entire episode has several interesting parallels to the tale of Literature/TheSnowQueen. Make you wonder if TheDevTeamThinksOfEverything or if it's just some contrived coincidence.
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