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14th Mar '16 2:11:13 PM AnEscapedRabbit
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*** Actually, that "He has no children" is very ambiguous. It could refer to Malcolm's callous attempts to comfort Macduff after Macduff has just gotten news of his family's deaths.
28th Feb '16 3:28:13 PM ading
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* [[spoiler:''Theatre/{{Macbeth}}]]'''s death in his fight against [=MacDuff=], and the partial redemption for his evil that came from dying in a fair fight rather than killing by proxy, always struck This Troper as being a powerful moment, but I could never quite see why it got to me so much. Then I realised: it was [[spoiler: totally foreshadowed at the start of the play, when the thanes execute the traitorous former Thane of Cawdor and comment that "Nothing in his life/Became him like the leaving it". The two Cawdors both acted against their countrymen, eventually dying for their deeds but redeeming themselves in their last moments.]] Wow.

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* [[spoiler:''Theatre/{{Macbeth}}]]'''s Macbeth's death in his fight against [=MacDuff=], and the partial redemption for his evil that came from dying in a fair fight rather than killing by proxy, always struck This Troper as being a powerful moment, but I could never quite see why it got to me so much. Then I realised: it was [[spoiler: totally foreshadowed at the start of the play, when the thanes execute the traitorous former Thane of Cawdor and comment that "Nothing in his life/Became him like the leaving it". The two Cawdors both acted against their countrymen, eventually dying for their deeds but redeeming themselves in their last moments.]] Wow.
28th Feb '16 12:26:43 PM Gaon
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* An interesting observation is how the play treats the subject of "manhood". Macbeth and Macduff, each a natural {{Foil}} to the other, naturally represent directly opposite ideals of masculinity. Lady Macbeth and Macbeth have a few talks about manhood, and in their villainous context, they always talk about how a man must be devoid of feeling or emotion to be truly manly. Lady Macbeth advises Macbeth to shut down all his feeling and emotions to be a true man and kill Duncan, and over the course of the play Macbeth acts accordingly and slowly becomes a EmptyShell (like when Lady Macbeth dies, and Macbeth is so emotionally stunted at this point his reaction is violent indifference). Meanwhile, Macduff's scene after his family's death with Malcolm directly counters that idea, for in it he tells Malcolm how he must grieve and shed tears like a man would, and openly weeps and feels pain from their loss. Furthermore, Macbeth's prophecy of "no man of '''woman''' born can harm him" implies Macbeth views himself as above those tainted by feminity due being "of woman born", implying a supremacy of masculinity. Macduff, therefore, is the living antithesis of that concept, for he is both a manly man ''and'' a man who, while born of C-section, ultimately came from a woman, thus showing masculinity needs not to reject feminity its entirely. In other words, Macbeth vs Macduff is not only a case of EmotionVsStoicism (on which emotion prevails), but most importantly, it is one of the earliest examples of Toxic Masculinity in the form of King Macbeth, while Macduff represents healthy masculinity (which ultimately triumphs over its more toxic counterpart).

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* An interesting observation is how the play treats the subject of "manhood". Macbeth and Macduff, each a natural {{Foil}} to the other, naturally represent directly opposite ideals of masculinity. Lady Macbeth and Macbeth have a few talks about manhood, and in their villainous context, they always talk about how a man must be devoid of feeling or emotion to be truly manly. Lady Macbeth advises Macbeth to shut down all his feeling and emotions to be a true man and kill Duncan, and over the course of the play Macbeth acts accordingly and slowly becomes a EmptyShell (like when Lady Macbeth dies, and Macbeth is so emotionally stunted at this point his reaction is violent indifference). Meanwhile, Macduff's scene after his family's death with Malcolm directly counters that idea, for in it he tells Malcolm how he must grieve and shed tears like a man would, and openly weeps and feels pain from their loss. Furthermore, Macbeth's prophecy of "no man of '''woman''' born can harm him" implies Macbeth views himself as above those tainted by feminity due being "of woman born", implying a supremacy of masculinity. Macduff, therefore, is the living antithesis of that concept, for he is both a manly man ''and'' a man who, while born of C-section, ultimately came from a woman, thus showing masculinity needs not to reject feminity its entirely. In other words, Macbeth vs Macduff is not only a case of EmotionVsStoicism EmotionsVersusStoicism (on which emotion prevails), but most importantly, it is one of the earliest examples of Toxic Masculinity in the form of King Macbeth, while Macduff represents healthy masculinity (which ultimately triumphs over its more toxic counterpart).
28th Feb '16 12:26:15 PM Gaon
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* An interesting observation is how the play treats the subject of "manhood". Macbeth and Macduff, each a natural {{Foil}} to the other, naturally represent directly opposite ideals of masculinity. Lady Macbeth and Macbeth have a few talks about manhood, and in their villainous context, they always talk about how a man must be devoid of feeling or emotion to be truly manly. Lady Macbeth advises Macbeth to shut down all his feeling and emotions to be a true man and kill Duncan, and over the course of the play Macbeth acts accordingly and slowly becomes a EmptyShell (like when Lady Macbeth dies, and Macbeth is so emotionally stunted at this point his reaction is violent indifference). Meanwhile, Macduff's scene after his family's death with Malcolm directly counters that idea, for in it he tells Malcolm how he must grieve and shed tears like a man would, and openly weeps and feels pain from their loss. Furthermore, Macbeth's prophecy of "no man of '''woman''' born can harm him" implies Macbeth views himself as above those tainted by feminity due being "of woman born", implying a supremacy of masculinity. Macduff, therefore, is the living antithesis of that concept, for he is both a manly man ''and'' a man who, while born of C-section, ultimately came from a woman, thus showing masculinity needs not to reject feminity its entirely. In other words, Macbeth vs Macduff is not only a case of EmotionVsStoicism (on which emotion prevails), but most importantly, it is one of the earliest examples of Toxic Masculinity in the form of King Macbeth, while Macduff represents healthy masculinity (which ultimately triumphs over its more toxic counterpart).
24th Dec '15 10:18:27 AM Gaon
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*** Well, precisely, if he ''was'' born in a very strange, quasi-mythological way, MacDuff would have reasons to be proud of it, as a foreshadowing of a demigod-like destiny for instance.

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*** Well, precisely, if he ''was'' born in a very strange, quasi-mythological way, MacDuff would have reasons to be proud of it, as a foreshadowing of a demigod-like destiny for instance.instance.
*** Macduff's portrayal is that of a [[TheStoic silent, grim type]], partly because he doesn't really get a lot of focus but also because he really seems to prefer actions over words. Even in the battle of Macbeth he explicetly says "I have no words for thee, my voice is in my sword". It'd fit with his character that he doesn't really talk all that much about his past or his mother, thus Macbeth being blindsided by Macduff being "from his mother's womb untimely ripp'd".
25th Sep '15 1:52:03 PM ScroogeMacDuck
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** Premature births aren't that uncommon, and childbirth was the leading cause of death among women well into the 20th century (infections and blood loss, primarily). Also, in Shakespeare's day, c-sections would have been pretty much mythological, and even moreso in Macbeth's. Also, how often do you discuss the cirumstances of your birth with your mates?

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** Premature births aren't that uncommon, and childbirth was the leading cause of death among women well into the 20th century (infections and blood loss, primarily). Also, in Shakespeare's day, c-sections would have been pretty much mythological, and even moreso in Macbeth's. Also, how often do you discuss the cirumstances of your birth with your mates?mates?
*** Well, precisely, if he ''was'' born in a very strange, quasi-mythological way, MacDuff would have reasons to be proud of it, as a foreshadowing of a demigod-like destiny for instance.
14th Jul '15 4:49:56 AM Divra
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* Wouldn't Macbeth have already ''known'' that Macduff was born via cesarean section? Granted, they're not that close, but he must have known that Macduff's mother died giving birth to him and that he was born earlier than usual, and thus joined the dots?

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* Wouldn't Macbeth have already ''known'' that Macduff was born via cesarean section? Granted, they're not that close, but he must have known that Macduff's mother died giving birth to him and that he was born earlier than usual, and thus joined the dots?dots?
** Premature births aren't that uncommon, and childbirth was the leading cause of death among women well into the 20th century (infections and blood loss, primarily). Also, in Shakespeare's day, c-sections would have been pretty much mythological, and even moreso in Macbeth's. Also, how often do you discuss the cirumstances of your birth with your mates?
11th Oct '14 3:35:53 PM Ciara13
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* Wouldn't Macbeth have already ''known'' that Macduff was born by caesarean section? Granted, they're not that close, but he must have known that Macduff's mother died giving birth to him and that he was born earlier than usual.

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* Wouldn't Macbeth have already ''known'' that Macduff was born by caesarean via cesarean section? Granted, they're not that close, but he must have known that Macduff's mother died giving birth to him and that he was born earlier than usual.usual, and thus joined the dots?
20th Jun '14 4:06:24 PM EvaUnit01
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18th Jun '14 9:36:09 AM Ciara13
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* Wouldn't Macbeth have already ''known'' that Macduff was born by caesarean section? Granted, they're not that close, but he must have known that Macduff's mother died giving birth to him and that he was born earlier than usual.
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