History Fridge / KnightsOftheOldRepublic

24th Apr '16 8:39:35 AM chamo
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* When you and Carth are ribbing Bastila for being taken prisoner by a gang of ordinary thugs, she insists that she was weakened from using her battle meditation, and the without it, you might not have escaped. She wasn't using her abilities to help the Republic forces on the ship. ''She was using them to ensure that you landed unharmed''. Which you did... in the Upper City, right next to a disused apartment complex that sees only occasional Sith patrols, in easy walking distance from a Republic-sympathizing doctor. With a decorated military vet who's got the skill and experience to keep you alive and hidden, and the innate goodness to take care of your comatose butt for days, despite his misgivings.

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* When you and Carth are ribbing Bastila for being taken prisoner by a gang of ordinary thugs, she insists that she was weakened from using her battle meditation, and the that without it, you might not have escaped. She wasn't using her abilities to help the Republic forces on the ship. ''She was using them to ensure that you landed unharmed''. Which you did... in the Upper City, right next to a disused apartment complex that sees only occasional Sith patrols, in easy walking distance from a Republic-sympathizing doctor. With a decorated military vet who's got the skill and experience to keep you alive and hidden, and the innate goodness to take care of your comatose butt for days, despite his misgivings.
23rd Mar '16 12:45:10 AM 134340Goat
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*** Adding on to Carth's characterization: his fatherhood is fairly consistent throughout the game. There is one quest in which the son of a wealthy Dantooine man is found dead, and all that his left from his corpse was his diary. The father offers 100 credits to take it off of you. You may either accept it, decline but choose to give it to him anyway, or extort an additional 100 out of it. If the last option is chosen, Carth will get utterly PISSED and berate you for taking advantage of a grieving father. Made all the more reasonable once you learn that he believes his own son to have died.
12th Mar '16 6:09:11 AM Allronix
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* There's a conversation or two where Canderous refers to Revan as "he," regardless of the gender you pick. The brilliance? ''Mando'a'' rarely uses gendered pronouns or gender-specific terminology. ''Vod'', for example, translates to "brother," "sister," or "friend" depending on context. Falling back on "he" says more about Basic not being his first language than it does about Revan.
16th Feb '16 4:22:56 PM Allronix
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*** A related piece of brilliance . When you hit ''VideoGame/StarWarsTheOldRepublic'''s Alderaan level, you learn that Trask Ulgo was a [[BlueBlood very high-ranking]] member of Alderaanian nobility. In particular, his house's [[PlanetOfHats hat]] was [[ProudWarriorRace military service]], and Trask was one of their ''finest'' warriors. Who better to be the handler (and potential assassin) of a mind-wiped Sith Lord?
4th Feb '16 9:05:36 PM JoeCB1991
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** How the hell did Sion end up the way he was? And Nihilus?
*** According to Avellone and the tie-in comic, Malachor happened to Nihilus. He's the 'dark side' of what the Exile could have become, embodying the death on that planet rather than overcoming it.
** How many people would have died if Kreia [[spoiler: succeeded at destroying the Force? And would that really make the galaxy a better place?]]
*** Either way you look at it, it's nightmarish. If her hypothesis was correct, [[spoiler: then you just allowed all the horrors of the Empire and the Jedi-Sith wars past this point to exist. Thousands of years of war and billions of lives could've been spared if you didn't stop her.]] If her hypothesis is incorrect, the worst case scenario is this: considering the Force is connected/generated to life, she may have ended up [[spoiler: ''murdering [[OmnicidalManiac EVERY]] living thing in'' '''the entire UNIVERSE'''. This is the kind of death toll ''[[ComicBook/BlackestNight NEKRON]]'' attempted.]]
**** The only people that would have died were the ones who are Force Sensitive, which is fairly rare in the Star Wars universe, and not all of them would have died either, many would have been deafened to the Force instead. What Kreia wanted was to stop the Force from giving visions, bending probability, and so forth so that the Galaxy can take care of itself without some sort of God playing with them like they're chess pieces. Kreia's real flaw is not considering the fact that if The Force is some all knowing, all powerful entity that can do whatever it wants, then she failed long before she ever started, as The Force would never allow her to destroy it anyway, even if it is actually possible to do so.
***** Kreia is also an inveterate liar. She also tells you that her goal was simply to reforge a new Jedi Order, one without the blindness and dependence of the old, and that you and the people you drew to yourself were her tool to do so. Can't help but think she'd be disappointed with the Jedi Order a few thousand years down the road.
11th Sep '15 4:38:10 PM nombretomado
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*** Either way you look at it, it's nightmarish. If her hypothesis was correct, [[spoiler: then you just allowed all the horrors of the Empire and the Jedi-Sith wars past this point to exist. Thousands of years of war and billions of lives could've been spared if you didn't stop her.]] If her hypothesis is incorrect, the worst case scenario is this: considering the Force is connected/generated to life, she may have ended up [[spoiler: ''murdering [[OmnicidalManiac EVERY]] living thing in'' '''the entire UNIVERSE'''. This is the kind of death toll ''[[BlackestNight NEKRON]]'' attempted.]]

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*** Either way you look at it, it's nightmarish. If her hypothesis was correct, [[spoiler: then you just allowed all the horrors of the Empire and the Jedi-Sith wars past this point to exist. Thousands of years of war and billions of lives could've been spared if you didn't stop her.]] If her hypothesis is incorrect, the worst case scenario is this: considering the Force is connected/generated to life, she may have ended up [[spoiler: ''murdering [[OmnicidalManiac EVERY]] living thing in'' '''the entire UNIVERSE'''. This is the kind of death toll ''[[BlackestNight ''[[ComicBook/BlackestNight NEKRON]]'' attempted.]]
6th Aug '15 7:45:36 PM DeltaDart
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*** Well, [[EarthShatteringKaboom Taris gets blown to bits]]...

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*** Well, [[EarthShatteringKaboom [[OrbitalBombardment Taris gets blown to bits]]...
11th May '15 4:56:56 PM Allronix
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* Straddling the line between Brilliance and Horror: Marriage and family are forbidden by KOTOR's era, but forty years prior in ''Tales of the Jedi,'' no one batted an eyelash about married Jedi and Jedi with families, such as the Sunrider and Qel-Droma families. The ban must have been enacted fairly recently. Then, you hear of how Jolee trained his wife in secret, ''after'' the Council forbade him to do it. Nayama Bindo fell to the Dark Side, Jolee spared her life out of love for her, and she went on to kill many Jedi before dying at the end of the war. Jolee blames himself, but [[NiceJobBreakingItHero Jolee could have been the reason the Order put a ban on marriage and family for most of its history after that.]]
27th Apr '15 9:26:01 PM Hanz
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* In ''KnightsOfTheOldRepublic'', If the Jedi plan had actually worked, the ''Endar Spire'' not been attacked, and the Star Forge still found and destroyed, what would they have done with the mind-wiped former Sith Lord who thinks (temporarily at least) that he/she is an ordinary Republic grunt? Someone like that would be far too dangerous to just leave alone. Would they find some way to draft him/her into the Service Corps and take the risk of him influencing other Force-sensitive Jedi washouts? Would they mind-wipe him/her again? Would they turn him/her over to the Republic? [[MakeItLookLikeAnAccident Would they arrange an accident?]]

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* In ''KnightsOfTheOldRepublic'', ''Videogame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic'', If the Jedi plan had actually worked, the ''Endar Spire'' not been attacked, and the Star Forge still found and destroyed, what would they have done with the mind-wiped former Sith Lord who thinks (temporarily at least) that he/she is an ordinary Republic grunt? Someone like that would be far too dangerous to just leave alone. Would they find some way to draft him/her into the Service Corps and take the risk of him influencing other Force-sensitive Jedi washouts? Would they mind-wipe him/her again? Would they turn him/her over to the Republic? [[MakeItLookLikeAnAccident Would they arrange an accident?]]



** The fate of the Promised Land is covered by TheOldRepublic in a quest on Taris. [[spoiler::It didn't end well.]]

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** The fate of the Promised Land is covered by TheOldRepublic Videogame/StarWarsTheOldRepublic in a quest on Taris. [[spoiler::It didn't end well.]]
20th Apr '15 1:25:37 PM Allronix
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* FridgeHorror: Remember how the group of people at the lowest level of Taris went off to find the Promised Land in KOTOR? Well, assuming that they survived the destruction of Taris, a very disconcerting thing was found in the unused voice clips of KOTOR II. Read on if you dare. [[spoiler: The HK-50's are talking about the Droid Factory, and how there is more than one factory. One of them comments on how there was one located on Taris. If the Promised Land was, in actuality, a Droid Factory that contained very hostile droids, then that means the group of people are....]] That is FridgeHorror.
** Not quite. HK-50s may not have been in production at the time, and the factory could have been built after the destruction of Taris. After all, no ones going to find (or expect to find) a droid factory in the giant smoking pile of rubble that remained of Taris.
** You want FridgeHorror? How about this. You just convinced a bunch of people in an underground bunker of a city, surely the safest place on the planet, to pack up and leave for what one expects would be a green outdoorsy type place. I don't think anyone would call more tunnels and sewers "paradise". A couple days later, the entire surface of the planet was bombarded with turbolasers. If paradise WAS there, it isn't anymore. If they were in paradise when this happened, THEY aren't there anymore either. Congratulations, Light-Side Jedi, you just sent an entire settlement to their deaths!
** The fate of the Promised Land is covered by TheOldRepublic in a quest on Taris. [[spoiler::It didn't end well.]]
** Another awful piece of Fridge Horror. Remember Dr. Zelka Forn, the stubborn but selfless medic working on a cure for Rakghoul Plague and [[spoiler: keeping dying Republic soldiers comfortable, despite risking discovery from the Sith]]? His medical center on Taris is still reasonably intact by the time ''VideoGame/StarWarsTheOldRepublic'' rolls around, enough so that generators work and a viable sample of his vaccine is still sitting in the basement. It means he likely survived the carpet bombing, and spent the life he had left hip-deep in the wounded and dying with no one coming to help them and his supplies running out.

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* FridgeHorror: Remember how the group of people at the lowest level of Taris went off to find the Promised Land in KOTOR? Well, assuming that they survived the destruction of Taris, a very disconcerting thing was found in the unused voice clips of KOTOR II. Read on if you dare. [[spoiler: The HK-50's are talking about the Droid Factory, and how there is more than one factory. One of them comments on how there was one located on Taris. If the Promised Land was, in actuality, a Droid Factory that contained very hostile droids, then that means the group of people are....]] That is FridgeHorror.
** Not quite. HK-50s may not have been in production at the time, and the factory could have been built after the destruction of Taris. After all, no ones going to find (or expect to find) a droid factory in the giant smoking pile of rubble that remained of Taris.
** You want FridgeHorror? How about this. You just convinced a bunch of people in an underground bunker of a city, surely the safest place on the planet, to pack up and leave for what one expects would be a green outdoorsy type place. I don't think anyone would call more tunnels and sewers "paradise". A couple days later, the entire surface of the planet was bombarded with turbolasers. If paradise WAS there, it isn't anymore. If they were in paradise when this happened, THEY aren't there anymore either. Congratulations, Light-Side Jedi, you just sent an entire settlement to their deaths!
** The fate of the Promised Land is covered by TheOldRepublic in a quest on Taris. [[spoiler::It didn't end well.]]
** Another awful piece of Fridge Horror. Remember Dr. Zelka Forn, the stubborn but selfless medic working on a cure for Rakghoul Plague and [[spoiler: keeping dying Republic soldiers comfortable, despite risking discovery from the Sith]]? His medical center on Taris is still reasonably intact by the time ''VideoGame/StarWarsTheOldRepublic'' rolls around, enough so that generators work and a viable sample of his vaccine is still sitting in the basement. It means he likely survived the carpet bombing, and spent the life he had left hip-deep in the wounded and dying with no one coming to help them and his supplies running out.




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* FridgeHorror: Remember how the group of people at the lowest level of Taris went off to find the Promised Land in KOTOR? Well, assuming that they survived the destruction of Taris, a very disconcerting thing was found in the unused voice clips of KOTOR II. Read on if you dare. [[spoiler: The HK-50's are talking about the Droid Factory, and how there is more than one factory. One of them comments on how there was one located on Taris. If the Promised Land was, in actuality, a Droid Factory that contained very hostile droids, then that means the group of people are....]] That is FridgeHorror.
** Not quite. HK-50s may not have been in production at the time, and the factory could have been built after the destruction of Taris. After all, no ones going to find (or expect to find) a droid factory in the giant smoking pile of rubble that remained of Taris.
** You want FridgeHorror? How about this. You just convinced a bunch of people in an underground bunker of a city, surely the safest place on the planet, to pack up and leave for what one expects would be a green outdoorsy type place. I don't think anyone would call more tunnels and sewers "paradise". A couple days later, the entire surface of the planet was bombarded with turbolasers. If paradise WAS there, it isn't anymore. If they were in paradise when this happened, THEY aren't there anymore either. Congratulations, Light-Side Jedi, you just sent an entire settlement to their deaths!
** The fate of the Promised Land is covered by TheOldRepublic in a quest on Taris. [[spoiler::It didn't end well.]]
** Another awful piece of Fridge Horror. Remember Dr. Zelka Forn, the stubborn but selfless medic working on a cure for Rakghoul Plague and [[spoiler: keeping dying Republic soldiers comfortable, despite risking discovery from the Sith]]? His medical center on Taris is still reasonably intact by the time ''VideoGame/StarWarsTheOldRepublic'' rolls around, enough so that generators work and a viable sample of his vaccine is still sitting in the basement. It means he likely survived the carpet bombing, and spent the life he had left hip-deep in the wounded and dying with no one coming to help them and his supplies running out.
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