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* Kiera's CMR chip and [=SadTech=]/Piron's HALO derivative of it looks an awful lot like the mind-control chips turned out by the thousands in the labor camp in 2035.

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* Kiera's CMR chip and [=SadTech=]/Piron's HALO derivative of it looks an awful lot like the mind-control mind control chips turned out by the thousands in the labor camp in 2035.
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** Kiera hasn't heard of Franchise/{{Batman}}! Considering we're talking about a character who's corporate identity is basically a smokescreen for his vigilante activities, which he advertises by shining a giant signal in the sky, do you really think the [[OppressiveStatesOfAmerica vaguely]] [[BigBrotherIsWatching fascistic]] North American Union would permit such a comic to be published? Batman is probably [[BannedInChina banned]] for being "politically subversive".

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** Kiera hasn't heard of Franchise/{{Batman}}! Considering we're talking about a character who's whose corporate identity is basically a smokescreen for his vigilante activities, which he advertises by shining a giant signal in the sky, do you really think the [[OppressiveStatesOfAmerica vaguely]] [[BigBrotherIsWatching fascistic]] North American Union would permit such a comic to be published? Batman is probably [[BannedInChina banned]] for being "politically subversive".
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* Where did the members of Liber8 get the energy to activate the time travel device for their escape? It appeared to be from the energy weapon used in the execution but its been established that time travel requires an abundance of power on the level of using anti-matter. It doesn't take that much energy presumably to kill someone. The Corporate Congress must have wanted them really [[DeaderThanDead dead]] for the trouble they caused. It later becomes clear that the amount of energy used for the execution is the first clue to the fact that [[spoiler: Old Alec wanted them to time travel and made sure they had enough energy.]]
* Carlos Fonnegra has always embraced most staunchly the "public servant" aspect of being a police officer, even more so than Dillon when he was head of the VPD. This, ironically, makes Fonnegra one of the best people to embrace Liber8's underlying skepticism of the benevolence of corporations.

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* Where did the members of Liber8 [=Liber8=] get the energy to activate the time travel device for their escape? It appeared to be from the energy weapon used in the execution but its been established that time travel requires an abundance of power on the level of using anti-matter. It doesn't take that much energy presumably to kill someone. The Corporate Congress must have wanted them really [[DeaderThanDead dead]] for the trouble they caused. It later becomes clear that the amount of energy used for the execution is the first clue to the fact that [[spoiler: Old Alec wanted them to time travel and made sure they had enough energy.]]
* Carlos Fonnegra has always embraced most staunchly the "public servant" aspect of being a police officer, even more so than Dillon when he was head of the VPD. This, ironically, makes Fonnegra one of the best people to embrace Liber8's [=Liber8's=] underlying skepticism of the benevolence of corporations.



* Kiera's CMR chip and SadTech/Piron's HALO derivative of it looks an awful lot like the mind-control chips turned out by the thousands in the labor camp in 2035.

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* Kiera's CMR chip and SadTech/Piron's [=SadTech=]/Piron's HALO derivative of it looks an awful lot like the mind-control chips turned out by the thousands in the labor camp in 2035.
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** All of this is pretty much canon as of "Minute Man".
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She never has a Canadian accent even when she's not pretending to be American. The actress is just using her native accent.


* Kiera (and most future characters, for that matter) doesn't [[UsefulNotes/CanadianAccents demonstrate Canadian raising]] very much, despite living in Vancouver. (Compare with, say, Alec, as he constantly talks [[FunetikAksent aboat]] his experimental frequencies.) Since her cover in the present-day is as a cop from Portland, Oregon, this more neutral accent might help back her up (because if any Canadian raising had slipped ''oat'' while talking to Carlos or his boss, the whole game would have been up.)
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* Kiera (and most future characters, for that matter) doesn't [[CanadianAccents demonstrate Canadian raising]] very much, despite living in Vancouver. (Compare with, say, Alec, as he constantly talks [[FunetikAksent aboat]] his experimental frequencies.) Since her cover in the present-day is as a cop from Portland, Oregon, this more neutral accent might help back her up (because if any Canadian raising had slipped ''oat'' while talking to Carlos or his boss, the whole game would have been up.)

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* Kiera (and most future characters, for that matter) doesn't [[CanadianAccents [[UsefulNotes/CanadianAccents demonstrate Canadian raising]] very much, despite living in Vancouver. (Compare with, say, Alec, as he constantly talks [[FunetikAksent aboat]] his experimental frequencies.) Since her cover in the present-day is as a cop from Portland, Oregon, this more neutral accent might help back her up (because if any Canadian raising had slipped ''oat'' while talking to Carlos or his boss, the whole game would have been up.)
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* Travis while wearing the PoweredArmor Protector Suit displays several abilities of the suit which Kira's never displayed, and which would notably have proven useful to her on several occasions. Most importantly, his suit can project a forcefield around his head, protecting him from suffering any sort of BoomHeadshot, and he can now project blasts of energy from his hands. While never said outright in the show, this has to do with Travis having a military version of the CMR, which Alec had recently reactivated, and which allows Travis to directly interface with the suit in the first place. Think about the military vs. police mentality of a future police state for a moment. Both police and soldiers are given versions of the suit, which is how Travis knew how to operate it with such ease. But the police are shown to have somewhat more freedom than the military footsoldiers, and are more likely to question the system as a result. Therefore, the suits are designed to give the soldiers more abilities, accessed through the CMR, in case of a police uprising. If the military ground troops can NoSell automatic weapons fire AND continue to have weapons even when disarmed of their guns, they have a distinct advantage over any police trying to battle them. Kira survives purely through luck and quick thinking when fighting Travis, as she was massively outclassed by him even without his SuperSoldier abilities coming into play.
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* Carlos Fonnegra has always embraced most staunchly the "public servant" aspect of being a police officer, even more so than Dillon when he was head of the VPD. This, ironically, makes Fonnegra one of the best people to embrace Liber8's underlying skepticism of the benevolence of corporations.
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* Has anyone noticed that Kiera's CMR chip and SadTech/Piron's HALO derivative of it looks an awful lot like the mind-control chips turned out by the thousands in the labor camp in 2035?
** Kiera's CMR explicitly has the capability to allow a remote operator to take control of her.

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* Has anyone noticed that Kiera's CMR chip and SadTech/Piron's HALO derivative of it looks an awful lot like the mind-control chips turned out by the thousands in the labor camp in 2035?
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Kiera's CMR explicitly has the capability to allow a remote operator to take control of her.
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** Kiera's CMR explicitly has the capability to allow a remote operator to take control of her.
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* Where did the members of Liber8 get the energy to activate the time travel device for their escape? It appeared to be from the energy weapon used in the execution but its been established that time travel requires an abundance of power on the level of using anti-matter. It doesn't take that much energy presumably to kill someone. The Corporate Congress must have wanted them really [[DeaderThanDead dead]] for the trouble they caused.
** It later becomes clear that the amount of energy used for the execution is the first clue to the fact that [[spoiler: Old Alec wanted them to time travel and made sure they had enough energy.]]

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* Where did the members of Liber8 get the energy to activate the time travel device for their escape? It appeared to be from the energy weapon used in the execution but its been established that time travel requires an abundance of power on the level of using anti-matter. It doesn't take that much energy presumably to kill someone. The Corporate Congress must have wanted them really [[DeaderThanDead dead]] for the trouble they caused.
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** It later becomes clear that the amount of energy used for the execution is the first clue to the fact that [[spoiler: Old Alec wanted them to time travel and made sure they had enough energy.]]

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* Even though Kiera busted Brad Tonkin when he was a doctor in the 2070s[[note]]Unlike Old!Alec, he seems to be very healthy-looking for a guy nearly 70 years old. Plastic surgery must be a perk of the Citizen Chip removal program.[[/note]], she doesn't recognize his alternate self from 2039. This implies: 1) she didn't have a functioning CMR when she arrested him, or 2) his personal characteristics had been purposely altered when he became a chip removal doctor.
** That's not Brad. For whatever reason, they cast an actor who looks quite a bit like Ryan Robbins (named Bob Frazer) to play the small part of the doctor in the episode where Brad mysteriously appears.

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* Even though Kiera busted Brad Tonkin when he was a doctor in the 2070s[[note]]Unlike Old!Alec, he seems to be very healthy-looking for a guy nearly 70 years old. Plastic surgery must be a perk of the Citizen Chip removal program.[[/note]], she doesn't recognize his alternate self from 2039. This implies: 1) she didn't have a functioning CMR when she arrested him, or 2) his personal characteristics had been purposely altered when he became a chip removal doctor.
** That's not Brad. For whatever reason, they cast an actor who looks quite a bit like Ryan Robbins (named Bob Frazer) to play the small part of the doctor in the episode where Brad mysteriously appears.
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**That's not Brad. For whatever reason, they cast an actor who looks quite a bit like Ryan Robbins (named Bob Frazer) to play the small part of the doctor in the episode where Brad mysteriously appears.

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Natter, and that last one makes no sense. That\'s simply not how time travel works here.


** Future!Alec set the whole thing up, so he made sure the power source was adequate. It's easy to get the resources you need when there's a guy on the inside setting it up.
* Even though Kiera busted Brad Tonkin when he was a doctor in the 2070s[[note]]Unlike Old!Alec, he seems to be very healthy-looking for a guy nearly 70 years old. Plastic surgery must be a perk of the Citizen Chip removal program.[[/note]], she doesn't recognize his alternate self from 2039. This implies: 1) she didn't have a functioning CMR when she arrested him, or 2) his personal characteristics had been purposely altered when he became a chip removal doctor, or 3) that by the time she ''did'' re-scan him in 2013/4, the timelines had diverged enough to ''erase'' that "memory" from her CMR!

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** Future!Alec set the whole thing up, so he made sure the power source was adequate. It's easy to get the resources you need when there's a guy on the inside setting it up.
* Even though Kiera busted Brad Tonkin when he was a doctor in the 2070s[[note]]Unlike Old!Alec, he seems to be very healthy-looking for a guy nearly 70 years old. Plastic surgery must be a perk of the Citizen Chip removal program.[[/note]], she doesn't recognize his alternate self from 2039. This implies: 1) she didn't have a functioning CMR when she arrested him, or 2) his personal characteristics had been purposely altered when he became a chip removal doctor, or 3) that by the time she ''did'' re-scan him in 2013/4, the timelines had diverged enough to ''erase'' that "memory" from her CMR!doctor.
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* Has anyone noticed that Kiera's CMR chip and SadTech/Piron's HALO derivative of it looks an awful lot like the mind-control chips turned out by the thousands in the labor camp in 2035?
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* Even though Kiera busted Brad Tonkin when he was a doctor in the 2070s[[note]]Unlike Old!Alec, he seems to be very healthy-looking for a guy nearly 70 years old. Plastic surgery must be a perk of the Citizen Chip removal program.[[/note]], she doesn't recognize his alternate self from 2039. This implies: 1) she didn't have a functioning CMR when she arrested him, or 2) his personal characteristics had been purposely altered when he became a chip removal doctor, or 3) that by the time she ''did'' scan him, the timelines had diverged enough to ''erase'' that "memory" from her CMR!

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* Even though Kiera busted Brad Tonkin when he was a doctor in the 2070s[[note]]Unlike Old!Alec, he seems to be very healthy-looking for a guy nearly 70 years old. Plastic surgery must be a perk of the Citizen Chip removal program.[[/note]], she doesn't recognize his alternate self from 2039. This implies: 1) she didn't have a functioning CMR when she arrested him, or 2) his personal characteristics had been purposely altered when he became a chip removal doctor, or 3) that by the time she ''did'' scan him, re-scan him in 2013/4, the timelines had diverged enough to ''erase'' that "memory" from her CMR!
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* Even though Kiera busted Brad Tonkin when he was a doctor in the 2070s[[note]]Unlike Old!Alec, he seems to be very healthy-looking for a guy nearly 70 years old. Plastic surgery must be a perk of the Citizen Chip removal program.[[/note]], she doesn't recognize his alternate self from 2039. This implies: 1) she didn't have a functioning CMR when she arrested him, or 2) his personal characteristics had been purposely altered when he became a chip removal doctor, or 3) that by the time she ''did'' scan him, the timelines had diverged enough to ''erase'' that "memory" from her CMR!
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** Future!Alec set the whole thing up, so he made sure the power source was adequate. It's easy to get the resources you need when there's a guy on the inside setting it up.
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* Where did the members of Liber8 get the energy to activate the time travel device for their escape? It appeared to be from the energy weapon used in the execution but its been established that time travel requires an abundance of power on the level of using anti-matter. It doesn't take that much energy presumably to kill someone. The Corporate Congress must have wanted them really [[DeaderThanDead dead]] for the trouble they caused.
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Natter.


** Kiera's [[spoiler:pre-2077 life is a rather stark example of how to be "bought off": she displays the correct level of ideological fervor in wanting to join the military. In exchange, the government representative essentially cancels her family's debts and he himself gets a nice bonus for a voluntary recruitment.]]
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** Kiera's [[spoiler:pre-2077 life is a rather stark example of how to be "bought off": she displays the correct level of ideological fervor in wanting to join the military. In exchange, the government representative essentially cancels her family's debts and he himself gets a nice bonus for a voluntary recruitment.]]
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** All of this is pretty much canon as of "Minute Man".
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* Mr. Escher's named after MC Escher, who drew a picture of a hand drawing itself. The perfect metaphor for time travel!

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* Kiera hasn't heard of Franchise/{{Batman}}! Considering we're talking about a character who's corporate identity is basically a smokescreen for his vigilante activities, which he advertises by shining a giant signal in the sky, do you really think the [[OppressiveStatesOfAmerica vaguely]] [[BigBrotherIsWatching fascistic]] North American Union would permit such a comic to be published? Batman is probably [[BannedInChina banned]] for being "politically subversive".
* The fact that reasonably well-off people in Kiera's time seem to be "left alone" is actually rather nicely foreshadowed by movies like ''Rollerball'' in which corporations effectively dominate political and economic life, and provide a very high standard of living for the relatively "minor" price of never seriously threatening the existing social order: a kaffee-klatsch like Kiera's husband's little social gathering is hardly going to worry the Corporate Congress. But a man like Kagame, who's conscious of the fundamental injustices of the 2070s, and who's willing to step well outside "acceptable" limits of dissension, ''is'' a threat.
** As Jonathan says in ''Rollerball'', "them privileges just buy us off". Kiera's comfortable life is a pretty good example.
** The obvious implication is that the corporations of the 2070s have mastered divide and conquer in a way that doesn't even seem to look like it.

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Kiera hasn't heard of Franchise/{{Batman}}! Considering we're talking about a character who's corporate identity is basically a smokescreen for his vigilante activities, which he advertises by shining a giant signal in the sky, do you really think the [[OppressiveStatesOfAmerica vaguely]] [[BigBrotherIsWatching fascistic]] North American Union would permit such a comic to be published? Batman is probably [[BannedInChina banned]] for being "politically subversive".
** Kiera misses an obvious ''Franchise/StarTrek'' reference. While it's typically remembered more as one of the first popular sci-fi series, it also took place in a collectivist utopia, and the only capitalists were villains like the Ferengi. That's clearly something her corporate overlords would want to bury.
* The fact that reasonably well-off people in Kiera's time seem to be "left alone" is actually rather nicely foreshadowed by movies like ''Rollerball'' in which corporations effectively dominate political and economic life, and provide a very high standard of living for the relatively "minor" price of never seriously threatening the existing social order: a kaffee-klatsch like Kiera's husband's little social gathering is hardly going to worry the Corporate Congress. But a man like Kagame, who's conscious of the fundamental injustices of the 2070s, and who's willing to step well outside "acceptable" limits of dissension, ''is'' a threat.
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threat. As Jonathan says in ''Rollerball'', "them privileges just buy us off". Kiera's comfortable life is a pretty good example.
** The obvious implication is that the corporations of the 2070s have mastered divide and conquer in a way that doesn't even seem to look like it.
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* The fact that reasonably well-off people in Kiera's time seem to be "left alone" is actually rather nicely foreshadowed by movies like ''Rollerball'' in which corporations effectively dominate political and economic life, and provide a very high standard of living for the relatively "minor" price of never seriously threatening the existing social order: a kaffee-klatsch like Kiera's husband's little social gathering is hardly going to worry the Corporate Congress. But a man like Kagame, who's conscious of the fundamental injustices of the 2070s, and who's willing to step well outside "acceptable" limits of dissension, ''is'' a threat.
** As Jonathan says in ''Rollerball'', "them privileges just buy us off". Kiera's comfortable life is a pretty good example.
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* Kiera (and most future characters, for that matter) doesn't [[CanadianAccents demonstrate Canadian raising]] very much, despite living in Vancouver. (Compare with, say, Alec, as he constantly talks [[FunetikAksent aboat]] his experimental frequencies.) Since her cover in the present-day is as a cop from Portland, Oregon, this more neutral accent might help back her up (because if any Canadian raising had slipped ''oat'' while talking to Carlos or his boss, the whole game would have been up.)
* Kiera hasn't heard of Franchise/{{Batman}}! Considering we're talking about a character who's corporate identity is basically a smokescreen for his vigilante activities, which he advertises by shining a giant signal in the sky, do you really think the [[OppressiveStatesOfAmerica vaguely]] [[BigBrotherIsWatching fascistic]] North American Union would permit such a comic to be published? Batman is probably [[BannedInChina banned]] for being "politically subversive".

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