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** It also continues the more general 'coming of age' theme of the title by having Kamala discover that her role-model has feet of clay.
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** Tony's stance in the comic might also be influenced by what happened in ComicBook/ForceWorks. Basically, Iron Man (under Immortus' influence) started a team that would use predictions of the future made by Scarlet Witch and stop problems before they happened. Tony might have been trying to avoid what he did in the past when he was controlled by Immortus.
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* How was Ulysses' vision about that woman being Hydra and bombing the place completely wrong? Was it another Stevil plant? His power is supposed to be diagnostic, meaning there has to be some grain of data that leads to the conclusion "a Hydra agent is transporting a bomb into a vital area with a briefcase" yet there's no connection whatsoever. Where did that come from? Why was this the only vision that's wholly wrong? Why isn't this used as an example of their reliability?
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** Also part of his problem was that he didn't trust the validity of the predictions. This becomes particularly valid in the Captain America issue that reveals that one of them was wrong. Not averted, not misread, just plain '''wrong'''. The woman arrested as a future participant in a HYDRA attack on the economy was not a HYDRA agent and no such plan existed.
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** It's only just occurred to me that Ulyssus is the living embodiment of NeverTrustATrailer. The problem with his powers is that they show him a glimpse of the future, with no context or how he got there, just that one scene. How many times have we incorrectly guessed at how a movie will go from a scene in a trailer, how many different theories have we made from these tiny glimpses, that the trailer do fit, even though the film is something else entirely? Not only do we have the self fulfilling prophecy issue, but it has that level of inaccuracy as it's origin.
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*** This makes Kamala's WhatTheHellTownspeople in the first issue of ''ComicBook/Champions2016'' even more poignant - [[spoiler:this is not how heroes are supposed to be. At all.]]
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*** This makes Kamala's WhatTheHellTownspeople WhatTheHellHero in the first issue of ''ComicBook/Champions2016'' even more poignant - [[spoiler:this is not how heroes are supposed to be. At all.]]
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** However, after Stark Disassembled litteraly rebooted the character to a pre-Civil War state, Tony confirmed at the beginning of The Heroic Age that he stood by his actions (which were based on inaccurate math-based predictions) and would do it again.
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** However, after Stark Disassembled litteraly literally rebooted the character to a pre-Civil War state, Tony confirmed at the beginning of The Heroic Age that he stood by his actions (which were based on inaccurate math-based predictions) and would do it again.
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** Captain America: Steve Rogers #5 reveals something even worse: [[spoiler:the entire incident, including the vision, was a FalseFlagOperation staged by the HYDRA Captain America to hide the fact he is HYDRA from being exposed by Ulysses, when they sent Bruce the data on Gamma radiation he was using.]] In other words, [[spoiler:HYDRA exploited the nature of Ulysses' visions to get the heroes to kill the Hulk for them, all the while protecting HYDRA Cap's true nature.]]
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** Captain America: Steve Rogers ''ComicBook/CaptainAmericaSteveRogers'' #5 reveals something even worse: [[spoiler:the entire incident, including the vision, was a FalseFlagOperation staged by the HYDRA Captain America to hide the fact he is HYDRA from being exposed by Ulysses, when they sent Bruce the data on Gamma radiation he was using.]] In other words, [[spoiler:HYDRA exploited the nature of Ulysses' visions to get the heroes to kill the Hulk for them, all the while protecting HYDRA Cap's true nature.]]
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*** This makes Kamala's WhatTheHellTownspeople in the first issue of ''ComicBook/Champions2016'' even more poignant - [[spoiler:this is not how heroes are supposed to be. At all.]]
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*** This makes Kamala's WhatTheHellTownspeople in the first issue of ''ComicBook/Champions2016'' even more poignant - [[spoiler:this is not how heroes are supposed to be. At all.]]]]
* AscendedFridgeHorror: The epilogue to the story has [[spoiler: Steve Rogers talking to Tony's comatose body about all of the things that he planned for the world and taunts him by saying that he wishes he could wake up to stop him from putting mutants and Inhumans into internment camps, destroying the superheroes and taking over the White House with help from the Chitauri army. Basically, Tony and Carol's war was the best thing to happen to Steve!]]
* AscendedFridgeHorror: The epilogue to the story has [[spoiler: Steve Rogers talking to Tony's comatose body about all of the things that he planned for the world and taunts him by saying that he wishes he could wake up to stop him from putting mutants and Inhumans into internment camps, destroying the superheroes and taking over the White House with help from the Chitauri army. Basically, Tony and Carol's war was the best thing to happen to Steve!]]
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** [[spoiler: Meanwhile, she did almost kill him...and is seen as a big time hero. That is messed up and speaks to the mindset of the citizens in the Marvel Universe.]] This also brings the treatment of the X-Men and mutants in general into new context....
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** [[spoiler: Meanwhile, she did almost kill him...and is seen as a big time hero. That is messed up and speaks to the mindset of the citizens in the Marvel Universe.]] This also brings the treatment of the X-Men and mutants in general genera, as well as the events of ''ComicBook/DarkReign'', into a new context....and even more disturbing light...
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** [[spoiler: Meanwhile, she did almost kill him...and is seen as a big time hero. That is messed up and speaks to the mindset of the citizens in the Marvel Universe.]]
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** [[spoiler: Meanwhile, she did almost kill him...and is seen as a big time hero. That is messed up and speaks to the mindset of the citizens in the Marvel Universe.]]]] This also brings the treatment of the X-Men and mutants in general into new context....
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** [[spoiler: Meanwhile, she did almost kill him...and is seen as a big time hero. That is messed up and speaks to the mindset of the citizens in the Marvel Universe.]]
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** [[spoiler: Meanwhile, she did almost kill him...and is seen as a big time hero. That is messed up and speaks to the mindset of the citizens in the Marvel Universe.]]
*** This makes Kamala's WhatTheHellTownspeople in the first issue of ''ComicBook/Champions2016'' even more poignant - [[spoiler:this is not how heroes are supposed to be. At all.]]
*** This makes Kamala's WhatTheHellTownspeople in the first issue of ''ComicBook/Champions2016'' even more poignant - [[spoiler:this is not how heroes are supposed to be. At all.]]
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* The blast that Vision shot at Kitty Pryde during the battle in Issue #5 was strong enough to blow up the Guardian's ship. So, what would have happened if she hadn't phased through it?
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* [[spoiler: The sole reason that Tony survived his final fight with Carol was due to experiments that he had done on himself. Think about it for a minute. Without his actions, Carol would have killed him.]]
** [[spoiler: Meanwhile, she did almost kill him...and is seen as a big time hero. That is messed up and speaks to the mindset of the citizens in the Marvel Universe.]]
* [[spoiler: The sole reason that Tony survived his final fight with Carol was due to experiments that he had done on himself. Think about it for a minute. Without his actions, Carol would have killed him.]]
** [[spoiler: Meanwhile, she did almost kill him...and is seen as a big time hero. That is messed up and speaks to the mindset of the citizens in the Marvel Universe.]]
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** As it turns out, nearly all of them except Star-Lord and MAYBE Kitty (she's shown looking doubtful) turn on Carol the moment they found out Thanos is on Earth and she didn't mention it to them. (Gamora openly attacks Carol.)
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** [[spoiler: America Chavez shows Captain Marvel a reality where Ulysses got his powers earlier. Doctor Doom kidnapped him, mass produced him, and took predictive justice to its [[CrapsackWorld logical]] [[BigBrotherIsWatching conclusion]].]]
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** [[spoiler: The Uprising Storm were dangerously close to spreading their brand of chaos to the Civil War were it not for Hercules and other heroic gods.]]
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* Every other team splits down the middle, but the Guardians are all solidly Team Carol, to such an extent that they don't even wait to hear the other side? I could maybe buy that for the rest of the team, but it's seriously out of character for Kitty Pryde and Ben Grimm. Moreover, the reason they all side with Carol is that they all know her because she spent some time working with them not so long ago, which is absolutely true. It's just that when she was Tony's replacement on the team, so it's not like they don't know him either.
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** Captain America: Steve Rogers #5 reveals something even worse: [[spoiler:the entire incident, including the vision, was a FalseFlagOperation staged by the HYDRA Captain America to hide the fact he is HYDRA from being exposed by Ulysses, when they sent Bruce the data on Gamma radiation he was using.]] In other words, [[spoiler:HYDRA exploited the nature of Ulysses' visions to get the heroes to kill the Hulk for them, all the while protecting HYDRA Cap's true nature.]]
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** Captain America: Steve Rogers #5 reveals something even worse: [[spoiler:the entire incident, including the vision, was a FalseFlagOperation staged by the HYDRA Captain America to hide the fact he is HYDRA from being exposed by Ulysses, when they sent Bruce the data on Gamma radiation he was using.]] In other words, [[spoiler:HYDRA exploited the nature of Ulysses' visions to get the heroes to kill the Hulk for them, all the while protecting HYDRA Cap's true nature.]]]]
* The blast that Vision shot at Kitty Pryde during the battle in Issue #5 was strong enough to blow up the Guardian's ship. So, what would have happened if she hadn't phased through it?
* The blast that Vision shot at Kitty Pryde during the battle in Issue #5 was strong enough to blow up the Guardian's ship. So, what would have happened if she hadn't phased through it?
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** [[spoiler: So have the Hand, assisted by a resurrected Daniel Drumm, whom managed to take Banner's corpse for their undead army.]]
** [[spoiler: As well as Thanos who escaped from his cell at the Triskelion.]]
*** Long story short: Superhero Civil War = Field Day for Supervillains.
** [[spoiler: As well as Thanos who escaped from his cell at the Triskelion.]]
*** Long story short: Superhero Civil War = Field Day for Supervillains.
