History Fridge / BioShockInfinite

29th Jan '16 5:37:14 AM mephistos
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** [[spoiler: In the end, it doesn't actually matter which brooch. Unlike the original [=BioShock=], where player choices were important to determining the ending, the choices in ''VideoGame/BioShockInfinite'' are only there to give the ''illusion'' that player decisions impact the story, again playing with the idea of predestination, states of existence, and decision-based multiverses. Some players will put lots of symbolic consideration into a decision that will ultimately mean nothing more than a tiny cosmetic change for Elizabeth.]]
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** [[spoiler: In the end, it doesn't actually matter which brooch.brooch is chosen. Unlike the original [=BioShock=], where player choices were important to determining the ending, the choices in ''VideoGame/BioShockInfinite'' are only there to give the ''illusion'' that player decisions impact the story, again playing with the idea of predestination, states of existence, and decision-based multiverses. Some players will put lots of symbolic consideration into a decision that will ultimately mean nothing more than a tiny cosmetic change for Elizabeth.]]
18th Jan '16 3:55:15 PM Discar
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Unnecessary.
* [[spoiler: Did baby Anna suffer from Tear Sickness? And if she did... HOW BADLY WAS SHE '''BLEEDING'''?! And that doesn't even account for her newly-severed finger...]]
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* [[spoiler: Did baby Anna suffer from Tear Sickness? And if she did... HOW BADLY WAS SHE '''BLEEDING'''?! And that doesn't even account for her newly-severed finger...]]
18th Jan '16 3:24:06 AM KhlavKalash
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* A sign near the beginning describes Comstock as the prophet leading people to Eden, not Heaven. Eden is ultimately a place of ignorance, devoid of knowledge, and a fable metaphorically describing childhood. Becoming an adult means leaving ignorance behind, and the price is accepting death.

* A sign near the beginning describes Comstock as the prophet leading people to Eden, not Heaven. Eden is ultimately a place of ignorance, devoid of knowledge, and a fable metaphorically describing childhood. Becoming an adult means leaving ignorance behind, and the price is accepting death.
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* A sign near the beginning describes Comstock as the prophet leading people to Eden, not Heaven. Eden is ultimately a place of ignorance, devoid of knowledge, and a fable metaphorically describing childhood. Becoming an adult means leaving ignorance behind, and the price is accepting death.
18th Jan '16 3:21:51 AM KhlavKalash
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* [[spoiler: Did baby Anna suffer from Tear Sickness? And if she did... HOW BADLY WAS SHE '''BLEEDING'''?! And that doesn't even account for her newly-severed finger...]]

* One of Rosalind's voxophones states, "Our contraption shows us the girl is the flame that shall ignite the world. My brother says we must undo what we have done. But time is more an ocean than a river. Why try to bring in a tide that will only again go out?" Made more chilling by the Fridge-Brilliant ocean metaphors, it is likely that the Luteces helped lead you willingly to slaughter, only to have Ryan break ground for Rapture a few decades later...''And knew it the whole time,'' but were only interested literally undoing their part in such events, nothing more. [[spoiler: This would explain their absence from Burial at Sea: Episode 2. With the last Comstock dead, they no longer cared what Elizabeth got up to. Without their seemingly superior abilities at subtle manipulation of the worlds, she was forced to manifest in Rapture Prime and become mortal.]]
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* One of Rosalind's voxophones states, "Our contraption shows us the girl is the flame that shall ignite the world. My brother says we must undo what we have done. But time is more an ocean than a river. Why try to bring in a tide that will only again go out?" Made more chilling by the Fridge-Brilliant ocean metaphors, it is likely that the Luteces helped lead you willingly to slaughter, only to have Ryan break ground for Rapture a few decades later... ''And knew it the whole time,'' but were only interested literally undoing their part in such events, nothing more. [[spoiler: This would explain their absence from Burial at Sea: Episode 2. With the last Comstock dead, they no longer cared what Elizabeth got up to. Without their seemingly superior abilities at subtle manipulation of the worlds, she was forced to manifest in Rapture Prime and become mortal.]]

* [[spoiler: Did baby Anna suffer from Tear Sickness? And if she did... HOW BADLY WAS SHE '''BLEEDING'''?! And that doesn't even account for her newly-severed finger...]]
18th Jan '16 3:19:34 AM KhlavKalash
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* Sure the ending renders this moot, but more than a few of us would shudder at the realization that [[spoiler: [[https://sites.google.com/site/sprage39/video-game-thoughts/bioshockinfinite/whyagoodchunkofthegametakesplacein1914 the Elizabeth we save isn't the one Songbird takes away]]]]. Along the same note, in an earlier segment of the game, is the Elizabeth that stepped through a tear and got grabbed by the police the same Elizabeth that we saved shortly thereafter? It is assumed to be, but can we really be sure that is the case?

* Sure the ending renders this moot, but more than a few of us would shudder at the realization that [[spoiler: [[https://sites.google.com/site/sprage39/video-game-thoughts/bioshockinfinite/whyagoodchunkofthegametakesplacein1914 the Elizabeth we save isn't the one Songbird takes away]]]]. Along the same note, in an earlier segment of the game, is the Elizabeth that stepped through a tear and got grabbed by the police the same Elizabeth that we saved shortly thereafter? It is assumed to be, but can we really be sure that is the case?
18th Jan '16 3:18:18 AM KhlavKalash
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* Something to consider. The Songbird was built using techniques gained from Rapture through a tear about Big Daddy construction. So what of the technique(s) they were using to turn Elizabeth into a FallenHero that attacked NYC in Rapture? [[spoiler: Specifically, to make a Little/Big Sister]]?

* Something to consider. The Songbird was built using techniques gained from Rapture through a tear about Big Daddy construction. So what if the technique(s) they were using to turn Elizabeth into a FallenHero that attacked NYC in Rapture? [[spoiler: Specifically, to make a Little/Big Sister]]?
18th Jan '16 3:17:02 AM KhlavKalash
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* Remember the coin flip? [[spoiler:Count the tallies. Booker's (or rather ''Bookers'') flipped the coin over a hundred times. And that's assuming the Luteces are still on the first set of chalkboards]]. The exact number of the coin flip tally (at least, before ''your'' Booker's result is tallied) is 122. Now, recall the numbers on the bell code that got you into Columbia at the start of the game. * Whenever you die, and Elizabeth is not there to revive you, you return to your apartment. [[spoiler:You then step back out, creating an alternate universe where you did not die. The tick marks on the chalkboard, and the alternate, battered, bloody Elizabeth you see at the end? They come from all the times you came to Columbia and FAILED]].

* Remember the coin flip? [[spoiler:Count the tallies. Booker's (or rather ''Bookers'') flipped the coin over a hundred times. And that's assuming the Luteces are still on the first set of chalkboards]]. The exact number of the coin flip tally (at least, before ''your'' Booker's result is tallied) is 122. Now, recall the numbers on the bell code that got you into Columbia at the start of the game. * Whenever you die, and Elizabeth is not there to revive you, you return to your apartment. [[spoiler:You then step back out, creating an alternate universe where you did not die. The tick marks on the chalkboard, and the alternate, battered, bloody Elizabeth you see at the end? They come from all the times you came to Columbia and FAILED]].
18th Jan '16 3:14:25 AM KhlavKalash
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* You know the BadFuture? [[spoiler:The New York, and then possibly the planet? Given who Comstock is, who's to say he'd be satisfied with redeeming ''one'' universe? Elizabeth ''outright says'' in that millions of other universes await their judgement once she's dealt with one]]. * Bit of Real Life Fridge Horror: [[spoiler:Comstock purely going evil because of his religion, while his presumably agnostic or at least lapsed alternate universe counterpart Booker seems like it would be making religion into a strawman...and then you read up on [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominion_Theology dominion theology]], and other Christian movements towards theocratic government, particularly in the US. '''There are real people like him''']].
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* You know the BadFuture? [[spoiler:The [[spoiler:First New York, and then possibly the planet? Given who Comstock is, who's to say he'd be satisfied with redeeming ''one'' universe? Elizabeth ''outright says'' in that millions of other universes await their judgement once she's dealt with one]]. * Bit of Real Life Fridge Horror: [[spoiler:Comstock purely going evil because of his religion, while his presumably agnostic or at least lapsed alternate universe counterpart Booker seems like it would be making religion into a strawman... and then you read up on [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominion_Theology dominion theology]], and other Christian movements towards theocratic government, particularly in the US. '''There are real people like him''']].
18th Jan '16 3:12:15 AM KhlavKalash
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* More on the subject of Booker. Ever wonder why the Battle of Wounded Knee is called the ''Massacre'' at Wounded Knee? [[spoiler: It's implied Booker ''himself'' might be the reason why. It's revealed that Slate's soldiers gave him the ''nom de guerre'' of "The White Injun" because he collected so many grisly trophies from the dead, while Comstock's Voxaphone recordings reveal that after he was (correctly) accused of having Indian blood, he decided to prove them wrong by burning tepees down with the inhabitants (women and children) still inside. Since this took place before the point of divergence that turned Booker into Comstock, then Booker is guilty of this as well. [[TeensAreMonsters Bear in mind, that was all when he was sixteen]]]]...Furthermore, one Voxophone confirms that Booker Dewitt speaks Sioux. It's no jump to know which tribe that his Indian blood comes from. Now, what tribe was at Wounded Knee? [[spoiler: Booker slaughtered his own people.]]
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* More on the subject of Booker. Ever wonder why the Battle of Wounded Knee is called the ''Massacre'' at Wounded Knee? [[spoiler: It's implied Booker ''himself'' might be the reason why. It's revealed that Slate's soldiers gave him the ''nom de guerre'' of "The White Injun" because he collected so many grisly trophies from the dead, while Comstock's Voxaphone recordings reveal that after he was (correctly) accused of having Indian blood, he decided to prove them wrong by burning tepees down with the inhabitants (women and children) still inside. Since this took place before the point of divergence that turned Booker into Comstock, then Booker is guilty of this as well. [[TeensAreMonsters Bear in mind, that was all when he was sixteen]]]]... Furthermore, one Voxophone confirms that Booker Dewitt speaks Sioux. It's no jump to know which tribe that his Indian blood comes from. Now, what tribe was at Wounded Knee? [[spoiler: Booker slaughtered his own people.]]
18th Jan '16 3:09:59 AM KhlavKalash
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* The Lutece Twins from the main game are clever foreshadowing to the fact that [[spoiler:Comstock is Booker]] as the two are [[spoiler:different enough to survive in the same universe together, unaffected, while other universe parallels cannot. This cleverly hints to Booker surviving in the same universe that Comstock.]]
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* The Lutece Twins from the main game are clever foreshadowing to the fact that [[spoiler:Comstock is Booker]] as the two are [[spoiler:different enough to survive in the same universe together, unaffected, while other universe parallels cannot. This cleverly hints to Booker surviving in the same universe that than Comstock.]]

* [[spoiler: Did baby Anna suffer from Tear Sickness? And if she did...HOW BADLY WAS SHE '''BLEEDING'''?! And that doesn't even account for her newly-severed finger...]]
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* [[spoiler: Did baby Anna suffer from Tear Sickness? And if she did... HOW BADLY WAS SHE '''BLEEDING'''?! And that doesn't even account for her newly-severed finger...]]
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