History Fridge / BioShockInfinite

2nd Jan '17 5:48:53 PM forsetipurge
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* Even if Fitzroy doesn't denounce Booker as a ghost or an impostor, sooner or later Booker would end up fighting the Vox. Why? Because he himself has massacred civilians in the past, and realized that nothing would ever justify that.


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* Elizabeth could have tried to assassinate Atlas/Fontaine directly, but she doesn't. Without Atlas, Ryan's grip on Rapture would become a stranglehold; no one else has the power to challenge him. Events of ''VideoGame/Bioshock'' have to happen the way they happen for the cycle of violence to end.
23rd Dec '16 8:17:24 AM Gosicrystal
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* Of the various events that allow you make a choice, some expire after a set period of time. Invariably, if you let the choice expire, you end up with a worse outcome than if you make the "wrong" choice. If you wait too long to choose whether to pelt either the couple or Fink in the beginning, you lose out on a gear later in the game [[LostForever (and you can't get it by any other means.)]] If you wait too long to either draw on the ticket clerk in the Arcade or demand your ticket, you get stabbed in the hand (the result of the "demand your ticket" choice) for your trouble. That seems a strange feature, but if you think about it, it fits the a theme established in all of the games: the importance of choice. No matter what choice you make, the important thing is to choose. Regardless of the outcome, it's always better than agonizing over making the right choice.

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* Of the various events that allow you make a choice, some expire after a set period of time. Invariably, if you let the choice expire, you end up with a worse outcome than if you make the "wrong" choice. If you wait too long to choose whether to pelt either the couple or Fink in the beginning, you lose out on a gear later in the game [[LostForever [[PermanentlyMissableContent (and you can't get it by any other means.)]] means)]]. If you wait too long to either draw on the ticket clerk in the Arcade or demand your ticket, you get stabbed in the hand (the result of the "demand your ticket" choice) for your trouble. That seems a strange feature, but if you think about it, it fits the a theme established in all of the games: the importance of choice. No matter what choice you make, the important thing is to choose. Regardless of the outcome, it's always better than agonizing over making the right choice.
2nd Nov '16 8:47:11 PM SantosLHalper
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* At Soldier's Field, two women are talking about a boy who was sent to [[spoiler: Comstock House]] and was never heard from again. [[spoiler: The horrors you encounter in the BadFuture were, at least to some extent still existed in 1912.]]

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* At Soldier's Field, two women are talking about a boy who was sent to [[spoiler: Comstock House]] and was never heard from again. [[spoiler: The horrors you encounter in the BadFuture were, at least to some extent still existed exist in 1912.]]
2nd Nov '16 8:07:29 PM SantosLHalper
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* At Soldier's Field, two women are talking about a boy who was sent to [[spoiler: Comstock House]] and was never heard from again. [[spoiler: The horrors you encounter in the BadFuture were, at least to some extent still existed in 1912.]]
31st Jul '16 6:09:23 PM WanderingBrowser
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*** However, WordOfGod is that this is a case of GameplayAndStoryIntegration -- the people you possess in the game commit suicide because they were possessed by ''The False Shepherd'', specifically -- that then turned into GameplayAndStorySegregation in ''Burial At Sea''. Not that it makes things ''too'' much cheerier; the residents of Columbia are so indoctrinated that being under Booker's CharmPerson power triggers a suicidal "redemption" urge. Think a little about what that says about Comstock's charisma and his influence over his flock...
12th Jul '16 8:53:26 PM Blacknuz
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* During the level 'The Hand of the Prophet', you drop multiple Patriot pods off a sky line to reach the top of a zeppelin. During the lighthouse scene at the beginning of the game it shows that Columbia's flight-path stays primarily inside the US, given that at least have passed since Booker entered Columbia (Hall of Heroes and Comstock House take place at night). That gives Columbia more than enough time to get past the coast of Maine, and the pods were probably designed to be dropped. [[ParanoiaFuel So where did the Motorized Patriots in the pods go, and what did they do once they got there]]?

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* During the level 'The Hand of the Prophet', you drop multiple Patriot pods off a sky line to reach the top of a zeppelin. During the lighthouse scene at the beginning of the game it shows that Columbia's flight-path stays primarily inside the US, given that at least a day have passed since Booker entered Columbia (Hall of Heroes and Comstock House take place at night). That gives Columbia more than enough time to get past the coast of Maine, and the pods were probably designed to be dropped. [[ParanoiaFuel So where did the Motorized Patriots in the pods go, and what did they do once they got there]]?
11th Jul '16 9:10:27 PM Blacknuz
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* From what we saw in the first of ''[=BioShock=] Infinite'', Booker is travelling in a boat along with a lighthouse-like structure to (supposedly), get to Columbia in the sky. Since the first game was set in an underwater world, the opening of them contrast with each other. The first game started on a plane and then goes to the ocean, where Infinite starts in the water and goes into the sky.

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* From what we saw in the first beginning of ''[=BioShock=] Infinite'', Booker is travelling in a boat along with a lighthouse-like structure to (supposedly), get to Columbia in the sky. Since the first game was set in an underwater world, the opening of them contrast with each other. The first game started on a plane and then goes to the ocean, where Infinite starts in the water and goes into the sky.



* The background material about Comstock states that he was at the battle of Wounded Knee and also used Columbia to raze Peking to the ground during the Boxer Rebellion (supposedly in retaliation for Americans being held hostage). [[spoiler:But in the game itself, Booker had never heard of anyone named Comstock at the battle of Wounded Knee. Why? Because Comstock was the name a alternate version of himself chose after accepting baptism for his sins after the battle. Which then led to the events in the story]]. Same thing goes for why Slate not hearing of him.

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* The background material about Comstock states that he was at the battle of Wounded Knee and also used Columbia to raze Peking to the ground during the Boxer Rebellion (supposedly in retaliation for Americans being held hostage). [[spoiler:But in the game itself, Booker had never heard of anyone named Comstock at the battle of Wounded Knee. Why? Because Comstock was the name a alternate version of himself chose after accepting baptism for his sins after the battle. Which then led to the events in the story]]. Same thing goes for why Slate has not hearing heard of him.



* Heard all those anachronistic covers of more recent songs, like 'Everybody Wants to Rule the World', 'God Only Knows' and 'Girls Just Wanna Have Fun'? In modern times, these songs won't be original ones, they would be treated as historical songs, being "written" decades before their times. Given a double fridge brilliance in that Booker and Elizabeth's voice actors made a cover of 'Will The Circle Be Unbroken'.

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* Heard all those anachronistic covers of more recent songs, like 'Everybody Wants to Rule the World', 'God Only Knows' and 'Girls Just Wanna Have Fun'? In modern times, these songs won't be original ones, they would be treated as historical songs, being "written" decades before their times. Given a double fridge brilliance in that Booker and Elizabeth's voice actors made a cover of 'Will The the Circle Be Unbroken'.



** Booker, who the main religious establishment of Columbia hates and fears, is revealed to have been martyred as a hero to the Vox in, then seems to come back to life. Comstock would certainly believe him to be the anti-christ, seeing his actions as a perverting of the Jesus mythology.

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** Booker, who the main religious establishment of Columbia hates and fears, is revealed to have been martyred as a hero to the Vox in, in one universe, then seems to come back to life. Comstock would certainly believe him to be the anti-christ, seeing his actions as a perverting of the Jesus mythology.



*** "My father yells what you gonna do with your life" -- Father Comstock's criticism of her indecision between following him or the false prophet

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*** "My father yells what you gonna do with your life" -- Father Comstock's criticism of her indecision between following him or the false prophetshepherd



** Tears for Fears "Everybody Wants To Rule The World". Comes up a few times from a cameo, Elizabeth singing it, and a Fink record. It's fair to say that this could be considered a representation of Comstock's desires to rain fire from the skies with Elizabeth. It could also be [[spoiler: interpreted that, at some point in space and time, everybody has a desire to rule or reign. Comstock is Booker, it's clear he wants to rule. Eventually Elizabeth gives in and follows up to Comstock's wishes, and Daisy went mad while ruling the Vox Populi and now wants to take over everything for herself]].

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** Tears for Fears "Everybody Wants To to Rule The the World". Comes up a few times from a cameo, Elizabeth singing it, and a Fink record. It's fair to say that this could be considered a representation of Comstock's desires to rain fire from the skies with Elizabeth. It could also be [[spoiler: interpreted that, at some point in space and time, everybody has a desire to rule or reign. Comstock is Booker, it's clear he wants to rule. Eventually Elizabeth gives in and follows up to Comstock's wishes, and Daisy went mad while ruling the Vox Populi and now wants to take over everything for herself]].



** Firstly, Elizabeth and Booker don't really seem to ''care'' anymore. Think about it; Booker was in awe of Columbia (for more reasons then just the positive) because it was totally new to him and he's never heard of or seen anything like it before. Elizabeth is much the same, having spent her whole life cooped up in a cage with nothing but books and lockpicks, and is at first excited and later disturbed by how wondrous and massive the city is compared to what she's always known. By the time Songbird ruins their escape, the initial curious wonder has worn off. They've seen more than enough of Columbia, for what it wants to be seen as and for what it actually is underneath, and now they just want to '''leave''' and get to Paris. From that point on they're focused more on their own internal drama than whatever the ruin of a city is still putting itself through, because that's what will actually matter when it comes to them finally escaping.

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** Firstly, Elizabeth and Booker don't really seem to ''care'' anymore. Think about it; Booker was in awe of Columbia (for more reasons then than just the positive) because it was totally new to him and he's never heard of or seen anything like it before. Elizabeth is much the same, having spent her whole life cooped up in a cage with nothing but books and lockpicks, and is at first excited and later disturbed by how wondrous and massive the city is compared to what she's always known. By the time Songbird ruins their escape, the initial curious wonder has worn off. They've seen more than enough of Columbia, for what it wants to be seen as and for what it actually is underneath, and now they just want to '''leave''' and get to Paris. From that point on they're focused more on their own internal drama than whatever the ruin of a city is still putting itself through, because that's what will actually matter when it comes to them finally escaping.



** He seems really on the nose with his confrontations with Booker in the Hall of Heroes, doesn't he? Almost to the point where it's implied that Slate knows the truth of Comstock/Booker's relationship. [[spoiler: Remember, this is the universe where Booker became Comstock, which means Slate knows full well about how his old war buddy went and got saved and ended up building Columbia. So when he sees Booker come in, sans beard and holier then though attitude, it's pretty obvious he knows the score, even if he's not in on the specifics of how tears and alternate universes work]].

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** He seems really on the nose with his confrontations with Booker in the Hall of Heroes, doesn't he? Almost to the point where it's implied that Slate knows the truth of Comstock/Booker's relationship. [[spoiler: Remember, this is the universe where Booker became Comstock, which means Slate knows full well about how his old war buddy went and got saved and ended up building Columbia. So when he sees Booker come in, sans beard and holier then though than thou attitude, it's pretty obvious he knows the score, even if he's not in on the specifics of how tears and alternate universes work]].



* The very first "choice" you make in the game has only: be baptized, or wander around the room forever. You MUST go through the baptism, even insincerely, to enter Columbia. [[spoiler:Columbia only EXISTS in those universes where Booker went through a baptism and rechristened himself Zachary Comstock, not to actually better himself but to simply assuage his guilt, which is an insincere reason for baptism. At which point another universe's Booker was brought in to stop him, who had to insincerely be baptised to enter]]... It's a ButThouMust moment crossing over with a StableTimeLoop. Which feeds into Fridge Brilliance part two: the thing about loops is that they're (more or less) circular. And what's the name of the song that Elizabeth sings to the scared child, with Booker backing her up on the guitar?

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* The very first "choice" you make in the game has only: be baptized, or wander around the room forever. You MUST go through the baptism, even insincerely, to enter Columbia. [[spoiler:Columbia only EXISTS in those universes where Booker went through a baptism and rechristened himself Zachary Comstock, not to actually better himself but to simply assuage his guilt, which is an insincere reason for baptism. At which point another universe's Booker was brought in to stop him, who had to insincerely be baptised baptized to enter]]... It's a ButThouMust moment crossing over with a StableTimeLoop. Which feeds into Fridge Brilliance part two: the thing about loops is that they're (more or less) circular. And what's the name of the song that Elizabeth sings to the scared child, with Booker backing her up on the guitar?



* As you first arrive on ''The Hand Of The Prophet,'' Comstock tells Elizabeth (over the PA system) that she clearly knows that there's something weird about Booker but "can't quite put your finger on it". Quite apart from the fact that it sounds like a cheeky hint as to [[spoiler: Booker being the cause of Elizabeth's missing finger]], this isn't the first time someone in the [=BioShock=] series has used this particular turn of phrase: [[spoiler: Andrew Ryan in the first game, hinting at Jack's true origins]].

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* As you first arrive on ''The Hand Of The of the Prophet,'' Comstock tells Elizabeth (over the PA system) that she clearly knows that there's something weird about Booker but "can't quite put your finger on it". Quite apart from the fact that it sounds like a cheeky hint as to [[spoiler: Booker being the cause of Elizabeth's missing finger]], this isn't the first time someone in the [=BioShock=] series has used this particular turn of phrase: [[spoiler: Andrew Ryan in the first game, hinting at Jack's true origins]].



* Near the very end of the game, [[spoiler: Elizabeth explains that, despite there being "a million million" worlds, there are constants and variables. "There's always a lighthouse. There's always a man, there's always a city..." It's easy to dismiss how similar these constants might be, but you were just on a bathysphere in Rapture. So, how is this significant? While in Rapture you can observe a familiar sign from the first game, where surface travel and bathysphere use was restricted... And only those who have genetic makeup similar to Andrew Ryan could use them.]]

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* Near the very end of the game, [[spoiler: Elizabeth explains that, despite there being "a million million, million" worlds, there are constants and variables. "There's always a lighthouse. There's always a man, there's always a city..." It's easy to dismiss how similar these constants might be, but you were just on a bathysphere in Rapture. So, how is this significant? While in Rapture you can observe a familiar sign from the first game, where surface travel and bathysphere use was restricted... And only those who have genetic makeup similar to Andrew Ryan could use them.]]



* Booker [[spoiler: becomes Comstock after being baptized and becomes a sociopath, whereas Prime!Booker doesn't and is still trying to become a better person. Baptism isn't vindication-your "sins" are no more because they were the correct course of action; it's forgiveness-your sins are no more because you turn away from them and repent-the Bible refers to this as "Casting it into the sea". Booker was desperate to escape the consequences of his actions, and likely saw baptism as a "Get Out Of [[FireAndBrimstoneHell Jail]] [[KarmaHoudini Free]]" card. It's not; it's a Good Start, but you have to work from your end. Prime!Booker understands that, but [[MoralEventHorizon doesn't believe he can be forgiven]].]]

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* Booker [[spoiler: becomes Comstock after being baptized and becomes a sociopath, whereas Prime!Booker doesn't and is still trying to become a better person. Baptism isn't vindication-your "sins" are no more because they were the correct course of action; it's forgiveness-your sins are no more because you turn away from them and repent-the Bible refers to this as "Casting it into the sea". Booker was desperate to escape the consequences of his actions, and likely saw baptism as a "Get Out Of of [[FireAndBrimstoneHell Jail]] [[KarmaHoudini Free]]" card. It's not; it's a Good Start, but you have to work from your end. Prime!Booker understands that, but [[MoralEventHorizon doesn't believe he can be forgiven]].]]
6th Jul '16 6:33:22 PM PixelKnight
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!!'''THERE MAY BE MASSIVE SPOILERS LEFT UNMARKED HERE.''' '''''THIS IS YOUR ONLY WARNING.'''''

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!!'''THERE MAY BE MASSIVE SPOILERS LEFT UNMARKED HERE.''' '''''THIS IS YOUR FIRST AND ONLY WARNING.'''''
31st May '16 1:32:17 AM Doug86
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* Even if Booker and Elizabeth went to Paris, it's unlikely they would have gotten a happy ending. Remember the year the game takes place in 1912. [[WorldWarI What happened to France two years later?]] Frankly, it's quite possible that the ending of this game was the only way that it could have ended happily [[spoiler: or even in a way that would be considered bitter sweet]]. Elizabeth, as she exists in all of the Universes seen [[spoiler: up until the end]] will never have a chance at a normal life. The people of Columbia aren't likely to stop following her unless the city is destroyed, and even if it is, there's still no way that all of the other countries in the world won't desire a means to control her power. Hiding it would be difficult, since she's able to create tears involuntarily. There is no good ending for Elizabeth if Comstock continues to exist, because existing as a being capable of hopping from dimension to dimension will inevitably lead to a short, violent, and frightening life without a stable home anywhere in any reality. [[spoiler: By killing the Booker who becomes Comstock, Elizabeth gives a version of both herself and Booker a chance at a normal, peaceful life. Maybe even one where she gets to see Paris, provided this version of Elizabeth isn't the one Booker attempts to give to the last Comstock in ''Burial at Sea'']].

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* Even if Booker and Elizabeth went to Paris, it's unlikely they would have gotten a happy ending. Remember the year the game takes place in 1912. [[WorldWarI [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarI What happened to France two years later?]] Frankly, it's quite possible that the ending of this game was the only way that it could have ended happily [[spoiler: or even in a way that would be considered bitter sweet]]. Elizabeth, as she exists in all of the Universes seen [[spoiler: up until the end]] will never have a chance at a normal life. The people of Columbia aren't likely to stop following her unless the city is destroyed, and even if it is, there's still no way that all of the other countries in the world won't desire a means to control her power. Hiding it would be difficult, since she's able to create tears involuntarily. There is no good ending for Elizabeth if Comstock continues to exist, because existing as a being capable of hopping from dimension to dimension will inevitably lead to a short, violent, and frightening life without a stable home anywhere in any reality. [[spoiler: By killing the Booker who becomes Comstock, Elizabeth gives a version of both herself and Booker a chance at a normal, peaceful life. Maybe even one where she gets to see Paris, provided this version of Elizabeth isn't the one Booker attempts to give to the last Comstock in ''Burial at Sea'']].
28th May '16 11:58:48 PM Stormseed
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* The probable reason that the consumables here include so much more fresh produce than Rapture is because of the increased space and sunlight available.
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