History Fridge / BioShockInfinite

12th Jul '16 8:53:26 PM Blacknuz
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* During the level 'The Hand of the Prophet', you drop multiple Patriot pods off a sky line to reach the top of a zeppelin. During the lighthouse scene at the beginning of the game it shows that Columbia's flight-path stays primarily inside the US, given that at least have passed since Booker entered Columbia (Hall of Heroes and Comstock House take place at night). That gives Columbia more than enough time to get past the coast of Maine, and the pods were probably designed to be dropped. [[ParanoiaFuel So where did the Motorized Patriots in the pods go, and what did they do once they got there]]?

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* During the level 'The Hand of the Prophet', you drop multiple Patriot pods off a sky line to reach the top of a zeppelin. During the lighthouse scene at the beginning of the game it shows that Columbia's flight-path stays primarily inside the US, given that at least a day have passed since Booker entered Columbia (Hall of Heroes and Comstock House take place at night). That gives Columbia more than enough time to get past the coast of Maine, and the pods were probably designed to be dropped. [[ParanoiaFuel So where did the Motorized Patriots in the pods go, and what did they do once they got there]]?
11th Jul '16 9:10:27 PM Blacknuz
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* From what we saw in the first of ''[=BioShock=] Infinite'', Booker is travelling in a boat along with a lighthouse-like structure to (supposedly), get to Columbia in the sky. Since the first game was set in an underwater world, the opening of them contrast with each other. The first game started on a plane and then goes to the ocean, where Infinite starts in the water and goes into the sky.

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* From what we saw in the first beginning of ''[=BioShock=] Infinite'', Booker is travelling in a boat along with a lighthouse-like structure to (supposedly), get to Columbia in the sky. Since the first game was set in an underwater world, the opening of them contrast with each other. The first game started on a plane and then goes to the ocean, where Infinite starts in the water and goes into the sky.



* The background material about Comstock states that he was at the battle of Wounded Knee and also used Columbia to raze Peking to the ground during the Boxer Rebellion (supposedly in retaliation for Americans being held hostage). [[spoiler:But in the game itself, Booker had never heard of anyone named Comstock at the battle of Wounded Knee. Why? Because Comstock was the name a alternate version of himself chose after accepting baptism for his sins after the battle. Which then led to the events in the story]]. Same thing goes for why Slate not hearing of him.

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* The background material about Comstock states that he was at the battle of Wounded Knee and also used Columbia to raze Peking to the ground during the Boxer Rebellion (supposedly in retaliation for Americans being held hostage). [[spoiler:But in the game itself, Booker had never heard of anyone named Comstock at the battle of Wounded Knee. Why? Because Comstock was the name a alternate version of himself chose after accepting baptism for his sins after the battle. Which then led to the events in the story]]. Same thing goes for why Slate has not hearing heard of him.



* Heard all those anachronistic covers of more recent songs, like 'Everybody Wants to Rule the World', 'God Only Knows' and 'Girls Just Wanna Have Fun'? In modern times, these songs won't be original ones, they would be treated as historical songs, being "written" decades before their times. Given a double fridge brilliance in that Booker and Elizabeth's voice actors made a cover of 'Will The Circle Be Unbroken'.

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* Heard all those anachronistic covers of more recent songs, like 'Everybody Wants to Rule the World', 'God Only Knows' and 'Girls Just Wanna Have Fun'? In modern times, these songs won't be original ones, they would be treated as historical songs, being "written" decades before their times. Given a double fridge brilliance in that Booker and Elizabeth's voice actors made a cover of 'Will The the Circle Be Unbroken'.



** Booker, who the main religious establishment of Columbia hates and fears, is revealed to have been martyred as a hero to the Vox in, then seems to come back to life. Comstock would certainly believe him to be the anti-christ, seeing his actions as a perverting of the Jesus mythology.

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** Booker, who the main religious establishment of Columbia hates and fears, is revealed to have been martyred as a hero to the Vox in, in one universe, then seems to come back to life. Comstock would certainly believe him to be the anti-christ, seeing his actions as a perverting of the Jesus mythology.



*** "My father yells what you gonna do with your life" -- Father Comstock's criticism of her indecision between following him or the false prophet

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*** "My father yells what you gonna do with your life" -- Father Comstock's criticism of her indecision between following him or the false prophetshepherd



** Tears for Fears "Everybody Wants To Rule The World". Comes up a few times from a cameo, Elizabeth singing it, and a Fink record. It's fair to say that this could be considered a representation of Comstock's desires to rain fire from the skies with Elizabeth. It could also be [[spoiler: interpreted that, at some point in space and time, everybody has a desire to rule or reign. Comstock is Booker, it's clear he wants to rule. Eventually Elizabeth gives in and follows up to Comstock's wishes, and Daisy went mad while ruling the Vox Populi and now wants to take over everything for herself]].

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** Tears for Fears "Everybody Wants To to Rule The the World". Comes up a few times from a cameo, Elizabeth singing it, and a Fink record. It's fair to say that this could be considered a representation of Comstock's desires to rain fire from the skies with Elizabeth. It could also be [[spoiler: interpreted that, at some point in space and time, everybody has a desire to rule or reign. Comstock is Booker, it's clear he wants to rule. Eventually Elizabeth gives in and follows up to Comstock's wishes, and Daisy went mad while ruling the Vox Populi and now wants to take over everything for herself]].



** Firstly, Elizabeth and Booker don't really seem to ''care'' anymore. Think about it; Booker was in awe of Columbia (for more reasons then just the positive) because it was totally new to him and he's never heard of or seen anything like it before. Elizabeth is much the same, having spent her whole life cooped up in a cage with nothing but books and lockpicks, and is at first excited and later disturbed by how wondrous and massive the city is compared to what she's always known. By the time Songbird ruins their escape, the initial curious wonder has worn off. They've seen more than enough of Columbia, for what it wants to be seen as and for what it actually is underneath, and now they just want to '''leave''' and get to Paris. From that point on they're focused more on their own internal drama than whatever the ruin of a city is still putting itself through, because that's what will actually matter when it comes to them finally escaping.

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** Firstly, Elizabeth and Booker don't really seem to ''care'' anymore. Think about it; Booker was in awe of Columbia (for more reasons then than just the positive) because it was totally new to him and he's never heard of or seen anything like it before. Elizabeth is much the same, having spent her whole life cooped up in a cage with nothing but books and lockpicks, and is at first excited and later disturbed by how wondrous and massive the city is compared to what she's always known. By the time Songbird ruins their escape, the initial curious wonder has worn off. They've seen more than enough of Columbia, for what it wants to be seen as and for what it actually is underneath, and now they just want to '''leave''' and get to Paris. From that point on they're focused more on their own internal drama than whatever the ruin of a city is still putting itself through, because that's what will actually matter when it comes to them finally escaping.



** He seems really on the nose with his confrontations with Booker in the Hall of Heroes, doesn't he? Almost to the point where it's implied that Slate knows the truth of Comstock/Booker's relationship. [[spoiler: Remember, this is the universe where Booker became Comstock, which means Slate knows full well about how his old war buddy went and got saved and ended up building Columbia. So when he sees Booker come in, sans beard and holier then though attitude, it's pretty obvious he knows the score, even if he's not in on the specifics of how tears and alternate universes work]].

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** He seems really on the nose with his confrontations with Booker in the Hall of Heroes, doesn't he? Almost to the point where it's implied that Slate knows the truth of Comstock/Booker's relationship. [[spoiler: Remember, this is the universe where Booker became Comstock, which means Slate knows full well about how his old war buddy went and got saved and ended up building Columbia. So when he sees Booker come in, sans beard and holier then though than thou attitude, it's pretty obvious he knows the score, even if he's not in on the specifics of how tears and alternate universes work]].



* The very first "choice" you make in the game has only: be baptized, or wander around the room forever. You MUST go through the baptism, even insincerely, to enter Columbia. [[spoiler:Columbia only EXISTS in those universes where Booker went through a baptism and rechristened himself Zachary Comstock, not to actually better himself but to simply assuage his guilt, which is an insincere reason for baptism. At which point another universe's Booker was brought in to stop him, who had to insincerely be baptised to enter]]... It's a ButThouMust moment crossing over with a StableTimeLoop. Which feeds into Fridge Brilliance part two: the thing about loops is that they're (more or less) circular. And what's the name of the song that Elizabeth sings to the scared child, with Booker backing her up on the guitar?

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* The very first "choice" you make in the game has only: be baptized, or wander around the room forever. You MUST go through the baptism, even insincerely, to enter Columbia. [[spoiler:Columbia only EXISTS in those universes where Booker went through a baptism and rechristened himself Zachary Comstock, not to actually better himself but to simply assuage his guilt, which is an insincere reason for baptism. At which point another universe's Booker was brought in to stop him, who had to insincerely be baptised baptized to enter]]... It's a ButThouMust moment crossing over with a StableTimeLoop. Which feeds into Fridge Brilliance part two: the thing about loops is that they're (more or less) circular. And what's the name of the song that Elizabeth sings to the scared child, with Booker backing her up on the guitar?



* As you first arrive on ''The Hand Of The Prophet,'' Comstock tells Elizabeth (over the PA system) that she clearly knows that there's something weird about Booker but "can't quite put your finger on it". Quite apart from the fact that it sounds like a cheeky hint as to [[spoiler: Booker being the cause of Elizabeth's missing finger]], this isn't the first time someone in the [=BioShock=] series has used this particular turn of phrase: [[spoiler: Andrew Ryan in the first game, hinting at Jack's true origins]].

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* As you first arrive on ''The Hand Of The of the Prophet,'' Comstock tells Elizabeth (over the PA system) that she clearly knows that there's something weird about Booker but "can't quite put your finger on it". Quite apart from the fact that it sounds like a cheeky hint as to [[spoiler: Booker being the cause of Elizabeth's missing finger]], this isn't the first time someone in the [=BioShock=] series has used this particular turn of phrase: [[spoiler: Andrew Ryan in the first game, hinting at Jack's true origins]].



* Near the very end of the game, [[spoiler: Elizabeth explains that, despite there being "a million million" worlds, there are constants and variables. "There's always a lighthouse. There's always a man, there's always a city..." It's easy to dismiss how similar these constants might be, but you were just on a bathysphere in Rapture. So, how is this significant? While in Rapture you can observe a familiar sign from the first game, where surface travel and bathysphere use was restricted... And only those who have genetic makeup similar to Andrew Ryan could use them.]]

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* Near the very end of the game, [[spoiler: Elizabeth explains that, despite there being "a million million, million" worlds, there are constants and variables. "There's always a lighthouse. There's always a man, there's always a city..." It's easy to dismiss how similar these constants might be, but you were just on a bathysphere in Rapture. So, how is this significant? While in Rapture you can observe a familiar sign from the first game, where surface travel and bathysphere use was restricted... And only those who have genetic makeup similar to Andrew Ryan could use them.]]



* Booker [[spoiler: becomes Comstock after being baptized and becomes a sociopath, whereas Prime!Booker doesn't and is still trying to become a better person. Baptism isn't vindication-your "sins" are no more because they were the correct course of action; it's forgiveness-your sins are no more because you turn away from them and repent-the Bible refers to this as "Casting it into the sea". Booker was desperate to escape the consequences of his actions, and likely saw baptism as a "Get Out Of [[FireAndBrimstoneHell Jail]] [[KarmaHoudini Free]]" card. It's not; it's a Good Start, but you have to work from your end. Prime!Booker understands that, but [[MoralEventHorizon doesn't believe he can be forgiven]].]]

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* Booker [[spoiler: becomes Comstock after being baptized and becomes a sociopath, whereas Prime!Booker doesn't and is still trying to become a better person. Baptism isn't vindication-your "sins" are no more because they were the correct course of action; it's forgiveness-your sins are no more because you turn away from them and repent-the Bible refers to this as "Casting it into the sea". Booker was desperate to escape the consequences of his actions, and likely saw baptism as a "Get Out Of of [[FireAndBrimstoneHell Jail]] [[KarmaHoudini Free]]" card. It's not; it's a Good Start, but you have to work from your end. Prime!Booker understands that, but [[MoralEventHorizon doesn't believe he can be forgiven]].]]
6th Jul '16 6:33:22 PM PixelKnight
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!!'''THERE MAY BE MASSIVE SPOILERS LEFT UNMARKED HERE.''' '''''THIS IS YOUR ONLY WARNING.'''''

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!!'''THERE MAY BE MASSIVE SPOILERS LEFT UNMARKED HERE.''' '''''THIS IS YOUR FIRST AND ONLY WARNING.'''''
31st May '16 1:32:17 AM Doug86
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* Even if Booker and Elizabeth went to Paris, it's unlikely they would have gotten a happy ending. Remember the year the game takes place in 1912. [[WorldWarI What happened to France two years later?]] Frankly, it's quite possible that the ending of this game was the only way that it could have ended happily [[spoiler: or even in a way that would be considered bitter sweet]]. Elizabeth, as she exists in all of the Universes seen [[spoiler: up until the end]] will never have a chance at a normal life. The people of Columbia aren't likely to stop following her unless the city is destroyed, and even if it is, there's still no way that all of the other countries in the world won't desire a means to control her power. Hiding it would be difficult, since she's able to create tears involuntarily. There is no good ending for Elizabeth if Comstock continues to exist, because existing as a being capable of hopping from dimension to dimension will inevitably lead to a short, violent, and frightening life without a stable home anywhere in any reality. [[spoiler: By killing the Booker who becomes Comstock, Elizabeth gives a version of both herself and Booker a chance at a normal, peaceful life. Maybe even one where she gets to see Paris, provided this version of Elizabeth isn't the one Booker attempts to give to the last Comstock in ''Burial at Sea'']].

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* Even if Booker and Elizabeth went to Paris, it's unlikely they would have gotten a happy ending. Remember the year the game takes place in 1912. [[WorldWarI [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarI What happened to France two years later?]] Frankly, it's quite possible that the ending of this game was the only way that it could have ended happily [[spoiler: or even in a way that would be considered bitter sweet]]. Elizabeth, as she exists in all of the Universes seen [[spoiler: up until the end]] will never have a chance at a normal life. The people of Columbia aren't likely to stop following her unless the city is destroyed, and even if it is, there's still no way that all of the other countries in the world won't desire a means to control her power. Hiding it would be difficult, since she's able to create tears involuntarily. There is no good ending for Elizabeth if Comstock continues to exist, because existing as a being capable of hopping from dimension to dimension will inevitably lead to a short, violent, and frightening life without a stable home anywhere in any reality. [[spoiler: By killing the Booker who becomes Comstock, Elizabeth gives a version of both herself and Booker a chance at a normal, peaceful life. Maybe even one where she gets to see Paris, provided this version of Elizabeth isn't the one Booker attempts to give to the last Comstock in ''Burial at Sea'']].
28th May '16 11:58:48 PM Stormseed
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* The probable reason that the consumables here include so much more fresh produce than Rapture is because of the increased space and sunlight available.
30th Apr '16 1:14:14 AM Qube
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* One of the big complaints about ''Infinite'' was the [[GameplayAndStorySegregation preservation of mechanics from previous versions of Bioshock]], such as Vigors/Plasmids, and the player character looting trashcans for items. Well we know how the first one fits together, [[spoiler:what with Finkton's tears into Suchong's labs being a two-way window and all,]] but what about Booker dumpster diving when Columbia is still shiny and new and not yet a desolated ruin? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense- unless Booker was always spending his money on gambling and drink [[spoiler:and his baby]] and as such had to "cut corners" to get his own meals. A penniless drunkard would have no compunctions against rooting around inside a trashcan for a half-eaten bag of popcorn, would he?
29th Jan '16 5:37:14 AM mephistos
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** [[spoiler: In the end, it doesn't actually matter which brooch. Unlike the original [=BioShock=], where player choices were important to determining the ending, the choices in ''VideoGame/BioShockInfinite'' are only there to give the ''illusion'' that player decisions impact the story, again playing with the idea of predestination, states of existence, and decision-based multiverses. Some players will put lots of symbolic consideration into a decision that will ultimately mean nothing more than a tiny cosmetic change for Elizabeth.]]

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** [[spoiler: In the end, it doesn't actually matter which brooch.brooch is chosen. Unlike the original [=BioShock=], where player choices were important to determining the ending, the choices in ''VideoGame/BioShockInfinite'' are only there to give the ''illusion'' that player decisions impact the story, again playing with the idea of predestination, states of existence, and decision-based multiverses. Some players will put lots of symbolic consideration into a decision that will ultimately mean nothing more than a tiny cosmetic change for Elizabeth.]]
18th Jan '16 3:55:15 PM Discar
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* [[spoiler: Did baby Anna suffer from Tear Sickness? And if she did... HOW BADLY WAS SHE '''BLEEDING'''?! And that doesn't even account for her newly-severed finger...]]

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* [[spoiler: Did baby Anna suffer from Tear Sickness? And if she did... HOW BADLY WAS SHE '''BLEEDING'''?! And that doesn't even account for her newly-severed finger...]]
18th Jan '16 3:24:06 AM KhlavKalash
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* A sign near the beginning describes Comstock as the prophet leading people to Eden, not Heaven. Eden is ultimately a place of ignorance, devoid of knowledge, and a fable metaphorically describing childhood. Becoming an adult means leaving ignorance behind, and the price is accepting death.



* A sign near the beginning describes Comstock as the prophet leading people to Eden, not Heaven. Eden is ultimately a place of ignorance, devoid of knowledge, and a fable metaphorically describing childhood. Becoming an adult means leaving ignorance behind, and the price is accepting death.

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* A sign near the beginning describes Comstock as the prophet leading people to Eden, not Heaven. Eden is ultimately a place of ignorance, devoid of knowledge, and a fable metaphorically describing childhood. Becoming an adult means leaving ignorance behind, and the price is accepting death.
18th Jan '16 3:21:51 AM KhlavKalash
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* [[spoiler: Did baby Anna suffer from Tear Sickness? And if she did... HOW BADLY WAS SHE '''BLEEDING'''?! And that doesn't even account for her newly-severed finger...]]



* One of Rosalind's voxophones states, "Our contraption shows us the girl is the flame that shall ignite the world. My brother says we must undo what we have done. But time is more an ocean than a river. Why try to bring in a tide that will only again go out?" Made more chilling by the Fridge-Brilliant ocean metaphors, it is likely that the Luteces helped lead you willingly to slaughter, only to have Ryan break ground for Rapture a few decades later...''And knew it the whole time,'' but were only interested literally undoing their part in such events, nothing more. [[spoiler: This would explain their absence from Burial at Sea: Episode 2. With the last Comstock dead, they no longer cared what Elizabeth got up to. Without their seemingly superior abilities at subtle manipulation of the worlds, she was forced to manifest in Rapture Prime and become mortal.]]

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* One of Rosalind's voxophones states, "Our contraption shows us the girl is the flame that shall ignite the world. My brother says we must undo what we have done. But time is more an ocean than a river. Why try to bring in a tide that will only again go out?" Made more chilling by the Fridge-Brilliant ocean metaphors, it is likely that the Luteces helped lead you willingly to slaughter, only to have Ryan break ground for Rapture a few decades later... ''And knew it the whole time,'' but were only interested literally undoing their part in such events, nothing more. [[spoiler: This would explain their absence from Burial at Sea: Episode 2. With the last Comstock dead, they no longer cared what Elizabeth got up to. Without their seemingly superior abilities at subtle manipulation of the worlds, she was forced to manifest in Rapture Prime and become mortal.]]



* [[spoiler: Did baby Anna suffer from Tear Sickness? And if she did... HOW BADLY WAS SHE '''BLEEDING'''?! And that doesn't even account for her newly-severed finger...]]
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