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* If Wiglaf didn't accept Grendel's Mother's deal at the end of the film, there's basically nothing to stop her from wreaking havoc on the lands by her lonesome. After all, she has the element of surprise on her side since everyone believes her to be long dead.
!!FridgeLogic
* Grendel's mother says that humans "... have slain so many of (our) kind", referring to demons. However Grendel's mother [[spoiler:killed over a dozen armed and armored people single-handedly in less than one night as revenge for Grendel's death]] and when [[spoiler: Beowulf confronted Grendel's mother in her lair, his sword had no effect on her]], tying into the poem where she's immune to weapons made by human hands. Going by this she is obviously very dangerous herself. So how exactly are humans a threat to her and how did we slay so many of her kind? It's likely given [[OurDemonsAreDifferent what she is]] and [[ManipulativeBastard her nature]] that she is either an UnreliableNarrator or she's lying to Grendel.
** MoralMyopia.
** They don't all have the same abilities. And the sword passing through her could have been because she wasn't really standing there, it was a hologram.
** The implication seems to be that she can be killed and is trying her damndest to stay under the radar so that mankind doesn't dedicate a significant effort to doing so. After all, those 20 people she killed were all drunk or sleeping when it happened.
* When Beowulf said "The age of heroes is dead. The Christ-god killed it." What does that even mean? Apart from some potential WriterOnBoard[=/=]UnfortunateImplications, it doesn't make sense in the film's context. The disappearance of demons would be a good thing, and the heroes seemed to be already in decline [[spoiler:with Hrothgar fathering Grendel and Beowulf fathering the dragon]] before Christianity arrived on the scene. The film's only openly Christian character, Unferth, was a jerk at first, however he's treated as a JerkassHasAPoint given his and Wiglaf's shared skepticism of Beowulf's tales (and how the film itself has a critical subtext towards them) and when he thinks Beowulf is a hero he apologizes for his rudeness, gives Beowulf a treasured family heirloom and treats him courteously from then on.
** The Christ God killing the age of heroes is basically a metaphor for how Christians changed the source material of Beowulf effectively killing it by separating the story from its pagan roots and making it lose some of its inteded meanings along the way.
** The old gods valued combat and fighting and glory, heroic deaths and such. The Christ God doesn't -- instead favoring charity, selflessness, peace, etc. It's as simple as that.
* Given that sending a man to kill Grendel's mother always simply results in another Grendel, couldn't Hrothgar just send an [[AmazonBrigade all-female kill team]] after her and be done with it?
** The simple explanation is that no such team exists to be sent. The Danes in the movie seem to be very patriarchal (Beowulf tells Ursula she must bear a son for her man), so it's possible they don't have warrior women to begin with.
*** And besides, for all we know Grendel's mother is impossible to kill or is at least so powerful that no one save Heroes like Beowulf could do so. She's never in any danger once in the film, despite her fears about angering the humans. If you send a crack team of lady assassins to take her out, she simply has no reason to hold back.
!!FridgeLogic
* Grendel's mother says that humans "... have slain so many of (our) kind", referring to demons. However Grendel's mother [[spoiler:killed over a dozen armed and armored people single-handedly in less than one night as revenge for Grendel's death]] and when [[spoiler: Beowulf confronted Grendel's mother in her lair, his sword had no effect on her]], tying into the poem where she's immune to weapons made by human hands. Going by this she is obviously very dangerous herself. So how exactly are humans a threat to her and how did we slay so many of her kind? It's likely given [[OurDemonsAreDifferent what she is]] and [[ManipulativeBastard her nature]] that she is either an UnreliableNarrator or she's lying to Grendel.
** MoralMyopia.
** They don't all have the same abilities. And the sword passing through her could have been because she wasn't really standing there, it was a hologram.
** The implication seems to be that she can be killed and is trying her damndest to stay under the radar so that mankind doesn't dedicate a significant effort to doing so. After all, those 20 people she killed were all drunk or sleeping when it happened.
* When Beowulf said "The age of heroes is dead. The Christ-god killed it." What does that even mean? Apart from some potential WriterOnBoard[=/=]UnfortunateImplications, it doesn't make sense in the film's context. The disappearance of demons would be a good thing, and the heroes seemed to be already in decline [[spoiler:with Hrothgar fathering Grendel and Beowulf fathering the dragon]] before Christianity arrived on the scene. The film's only openly Christian character, Unferth, was a jerk at first, however he's treated as a JerkassHasAPoint given his and Wiglaf's shared skepticism of Beowulf's tales (and how the film itself has a critical subtext towards them) and when he thinks Beowulf is a hero he apologizes for his rudeness, gives Beowulf a treasured family heirloom and treats him courteously from then on.
** The Christ God killing the age of heroes is basically a metaphor for how Christians changed the source material of Beowulf effectively killing it by separating the story from its pagan roots and making it lose some of its inteded meanings along the way.
** The old gods valued combat and fighting and glory, heroic deaths and such. The Christ God doesn't -- instead favoring charity, selflessness, peace, etc. It's as simple as that.
* Given that sending a man to kill Grendel's mother always simply results in another Grendel, couldn't Hrothgar just send an [[AmazonBrigade all-female kill team]] after her and be done with it?
** The simple explanation is that no such team exists to be sent. The Danes in the movie seem to be very patriarchal (Beowulf tells Ursula she must bear a son for her man), so it's possible they don't have warrior women to begin with.
*** And besides, for all we know Grendel's mother is impossible to kill or is at least so powerful that no one save Heroes like Beowulf could do so. She's never in any danger once in the film, despite her fears about angering the humans. If you send a crack team of lady assassins to take her out, she simply has no reason to hold back.
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* If Wiglaf didn't accept Grendel's Mother's deal at the end of the film, there's basically nothing to stop her from wreaking havoc on the lands by her lonesome. After all, she has the element of surprise on her side since everyone believes her to be long dead.
!!FridgeLogic
* Grendel's mother says that humans "... have slain so many of (our) kind", referring to demons. However Grendel's mother [[spoiler:killed over a dozen armed and armored people single-handedly in less than one night as revenge for Grendel's death]] and when [[spoiler: Beowulf confronted Grendel's mother in her lair, his sword had no effect on her]], tying into the poem where she's immune to weapons made by human hands. Going by this she is obviously very dangerous herself. So how exactly are humans a threat to her and how did we slay so many of her kind? It's likely given [[OurDemonsAreDifferent what she is]] and [[ManipulativeBastard her nature]] that she is either an UnreliableNarrator or she's lying to Grendel.
** MoralMyopia.
** They don't all have the same abilities. And the sword passing through her could have been because she wasn't really standing there, it was a hologram.
** The implication seems to be that she can be killed and is trying her damndest to stay under the radar so that mankind doesn't dedicate a significant effort to doing so. After all, those 20 people she killed were all drunk or sleeping when it happened.
* When Beowulf said "The age of heroes is dead. The Christ-god killed it." What does that even mean? Apart from some potential WriterOnBoard[=/=]UnfortunateImplications, it doesn't make sense in the film's context. The disappearance of demons would be a good thing, and the heroes seemed to be already in decline [[spoiler:with Hrothgar fathering Grendel and Beowulf fathering the dragon]] before Christianity arrived on the scene. The film's only openly Christian character, Unferth, was a jerk at first, however he's treated as a JerkassHasAPoint given his and Wiglaf's shared skepticism of Beowulf's tales (and how the film itself has a critical subtext towards them) and when he thinks Beowulf is a hero he apologizes for his rudeness, gives Beowulf a treasured family heirloom and treats him courteously from then on.
** The Christ God killing the age of heroes is basically a metaphor for how Christians changed the source material of Beowulf effectively killing it by separating the story from its pagan roots and making it lose some of its inteded meanings along the way.
** The old gods valued combat and fighting and glory, heroic deaths and such. The Christ God doesn't -- instead favoring charity, selflessness, peace, etc. It's as simple as that.
* Given that sending a man to kill Grendel's mother always simply results in another Grendel, couldn't Hrothgar just send an [[AmazonBrigade all-female kill team]] after her and be done with it?
** The simple explanation is that no such team exists to be sent. The Danes in the movie seem to be very patriarchal (Beowulf tells Ursula she must bear a son for her man), so it's possible they don't have warrior women to begin with.
*** And besides, for all we know Grendel's mother is impossible to kill or is at least so powerful that no one save Heroes like Beowulf could do so. She's never in any danger once in the film, despite her fears about angering the humans. If you send a crack team of lady assassins to take her out, she simply has no reason to hold back.dead.
!!FridgeLogic
* Grendel's mother says that humans "... have slain so many of (our) kind", referring to demons. However Grendel's mother [[spoiler:killed over a dozen armed and armored people single-handedly in less than one night as revenge for Grendel's death]] and when [[spoiler: Beowulf confronted Grendel's mother in her lair, his sword had no effect on her]], tying into the poem where she's immune to weapons made by human hands. Going by this she is obviously very dangerous herself. So how exactly are humans a threat to her and how did we slay so many of her kind? It's likely given [[OurDemonsAreDifferent what she is]] and [[ManipulativeBastard her nature]] that she is either an UnreliableNarrator or she's lying to Grendel.
** MoralMyopia.
** They don't all have the same abilities. And the sword passing through her could have been because she wasn't really standing there, it was a hologram.
** The implication seems to be that she can be killed and is trying her damndest to stay under the radar so that mankind doesn't dedicate a significant effort to doing so. After all, those 20 people she killed were all drunk or sleeping when it happened.
* When Beowulf said "The age of heroes is dead. The Christ-god killed it." What does that even mean? Apart from some potential WriterOnBoard[=/=]UnfortunateImplications, it doesn't make sense in the film's context. The disappearance of demons would be a good thing, and the heroes seemed to be already in decline [[spoiler:with Hrothgar fathering Grendel and Beowulf fathering the dragon]] before Christianity arrived on the scene. The film's only openly Christian character, Unferth, was a jerk at first, however he's treated as a JerkassHasAPoint given his and Wiglaf's shared skepticism of Beowulf's tales (and how the film itself has a critical subtext towards them) and when he thinks Beowulf is a hero he apologizes for his rudeness, gives Beowulf a treasured family heirloom and treats him courteously from then on.
** The Christ God killing the age of heroes is basically a metaphor for how Christians changed the source material of Beowulf effectively killing it by separating the story from its pagan roots and making it lose some of its inteded meanings along the way.
** The old gods valued combat and fighting and glory, heroic deaths and such. The Christ God doesn't -- instead favoring charity, selflessness, peace, etc. It's as simple as that.
* Given that sending a man to kill Grendel's mother always simply results in another Grendel, couldn't Hrothgar just send an [[AmazonBrigade all-female kill team]] after her and be done with it?
** The simple explanation is that no such team exists to be sent. The Danes in the movie seem to be very patriarchal (Beowulf tells Ursula she must bear a son for her man), so it's possible they don't have warrior women to begin with.
*** And besides, for all we know Grendel's mother is impossible to kill or is at least so powerful that no one save Heroes like Beowulf could do so. She's never in any danger once in the film, despite her fears about angering the humans. If you send a crack team of lady assassins to take her out, she simply has no reason to hold back.
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* Despite Beowulf's reputation, the Geat Warriors (Minus Beowulf and Wiglaf) almost certainly weren't expecting to actually fight a monster. Hondshew didn't see any problem with making out with one of the local ladies during the night Grendel was going to show up, and the entire assembled force was ''shocked'' when they saw him burst through the doors. Most likely the Geats thought the "monster" was a giant bear or other animal and that the excursion to Denmark was going to be an easy pay day.
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* If Wiglaf didn't accept Grendel's Mother's deal at the end of the film, there's basically nothing to stop her from wreaking havoc on the lands by her lonesome. After all, she has the element of surprise on her side since everyone believes her to be long dead.
** The implication seems to be that she can be killed and is trying her damndest to stay under the radar so that mankind doesn't dedicate a significant effort to doing so. After all, those 20 people she killed were all drunk or sleeping when it happened.
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** The simple explanation is that no such team exists to be sent. The Danes in the movie seem to be very patriarchal (Beowulf tells Ursula she must bear a son for her man), so it's possible they don't have warrior women to begin with.
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** The simple explanation is that no such team exists to be sent. The Danes in the movie seem to be very patriarchal (Beowulf tells Ursula she must bear a son for her man), so it's possible they don't have warrior women to begin with.with.
*** And besides, for all we know Grendel's mother is impossible to kill or is at least so powerful that no one save Heroes like Beowulf could do so. She's never in any danger once in the film, despite her fears about angering the humans. If you send a crack team of lady assassins to take her out, she simply has no reason to hold back.
*** And besides, for all we know Grendel's mother is impossible to kill or is at least so powerful that no one save Heroes like Beowulf could do so. She's never in any danger once in the film, despite her fears about angering the humans. If you send a crack team of lady assassins to take her out, she simply has no reason to hold back.
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** The simple explanation is that no such team exists to be sent. The Danes in the movie seem to very patriarchal (Beowulf tells Ursula she must bear a son for her man), so it's possible they don't have warrior women to begin with.
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** The simple explanation is that no such team exists to be sent. The Danes in the movie seem to be very patriarchal (Beowulf tells Ursula she must bear a son for her man), so it's possible they don't have warrior women to begin with.
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* Given that sending a man to kill Grendel's mother always simply results in another Grendel, couldn't Hrothgar just send an [[AmazonBrigade all-female kill team]] after her and be done with it?
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* Given that sending a man to kill Grendel's mother always simply results in another Grendel, couldn't Hrothgar just send an [[AmazonBrigade all-female kill team]] after her and be done with it?it?
** The simple explanation is that no such team exists to be sent. The Danes in the movie seem to very patriarchal (Beowulf tells Ursula she must bear a son for her man), so it's possible they don't have warrior women to begin with.
** The simple explanation is that no such team exists to be sent. The Danes in the movie seem to very patriarchal (Beowulf tells Ursula she must bear a son for her man), so it's possible they don't have warrior women to begin with.
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* Given the way Grendel's Mother works, couldn't Hrothgar just send an [[AmazonBrigade all-female kill team]] after her and be done with it?
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* Given the way that sending a man to kill Grendel's Mother works, mother always simply results in another Grendel, couldn't Hrothgar just send an [[AmazonBrigade all-female kill team]] after her and be done with it?
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** The old gods valued combat and fighting and glory, heroic deaths and such. The Christ God doesn't -- instead favoring charity, selflessness, peace, etc. It's as simple as that.
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** The old gods valued combat and fighting and glory, heroic deaths and such. The Christ God doesn't -- instead favoring charity, selflessness, peace, etc. It's as simple as that.that.
* Given the way Grendel's Mother works, couldn't Hrothgar just send an [[AmazonBrigade all-female kill team]] after her and be done with it?
* Given the way Grendel's Mother works, couldn't Hrothgar just send an [[AmazonBrigade all-female kill team]] after her and be done with it?
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** The Christ God Killing the age of heroes is basically a metaphor for how Christians changed the source material of Beowulf effectively killing it by separating the story from its pagan roots and making it lose some of its inteded meanings along the way.
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** The Christ God Killing killing the age of heroes is basically a metaphor for how Christians changed the source material of Beowulf effectively killing it by separating the story from its pagan roots and making it lose some of its inteded meanings along the way.
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* Grendel's mother says that humans "... have slain so many of (our) kind", referring to demons. However Grendel's mother [[spoiler:killed over a dozen armed and armored people single-handedly in less than one night as revenge for Grendel's death]] and when [[spoiler: Beowulf confronted Grendel's mother in her lair, his sword had no effect on her]], tying into the poem where she's immune to weapons made by humans hands. Going by this she is obviously very dangerous herself. So how exactly are humans a threat to her and how did we slay so many of her kind? It's likely given [[OurDemonsAreDifferent what she is]] and [[ManipulativeBastard her nature]] that she is either an UnreliableNarrator or she's lying to Grendel.
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* Grendel's mother says that humans "... have slain so many of (our) kind", referring to demons. However Grendel's mother [[spoiler:killed over a dozen armed and armored people single-handedly in less than one night as revenge for Grendel's death]] and when [[spoiler: Beowulf confronted Grendel's mother in her lair, his sword had no effect on her]], tying into the poem where she's immune to weapons made by humans human hands. Going by this she is obviously very dangerous herself. So how exactly are humans a threat to her and how did we slay so many of her kind? It's likely given [[OurDemonsAreDifferent what she is]] and [[ManipulativeBastard her nature]] that she is either an UnreliableNarrator or she's lying to Grendel.
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** They don't all have the same abilities. And the sword passing through her could have been because she wasn't really standing there, it was a hologram.
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** The Christ God Killing the age of heroes is basically a metaphor for how Christians changed the source material of Beowulf effectively killing it by separating the story from its pagan roots and making it lose some of its inteded meanings along the way.
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** The Christ God Killing the age of heroes is basically a metaphor for how Christians changed the source material of Beowulf effectively killing it by separating the story from its pagan roots and making it lose some of its inteded meanings along the way.way.
** The old gods valued combat and fighting and glory, heroic deaths and such. The Christ God doesn't -- instead favoring charity, selflessness, peace, etc. It's as simple as that.
** The old gods valued combat and fighting and glory, heroic deaths and such. The Christ God doesn't -- instead favoring charity, selflessness, peace, etc. It's as simple as that.
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* When Grendel's mother goes on a rampage to avenge Grendel she kills all of Hrothgar's men except Wiglaf (who wasn't there at the time) and Beowulf (who she has other plans for), she spares the women who were having sex with Beowulf's men. Why spare the women but kill the men? The men didn't contribute anything to killing Grendel; all of the harm Grendel suffered was done by Beowulf with Wiglaf (who survived) only lending a sword to lock the chain and trap Grendel. The other men's weapons didn't work on him and Grendel never mentioned them to his mother beyond a generalized "them", focusing on taking about Beowulf with his dying words. Furthermore, by having sex with those men the women could be seen as celebrating Grendel's death, which hurt her, yet she made no move to harm them. Even the idea that she doesn't harm women falls flat because Grendel killed a few women during his first rampage and [[spoiler: her son with Beowulf expressed a desire to kill Beowulf's wife and mistress]], yet she voiced no objections. It makes no sense.
** There are a few possibilities, such as her rage being focused on Beowulf for being the one to kill her son (and his men are his friends, so their deaths hurt him far more than some women he doesn't even know). The dragon wanting to kill the Queen and the mistress is tied to the fact that he hates Beowulf and wants to make him suffer. So, the idea that the Mother doesn't harm women (or simply cares nothing for them) can still be true.
** There are a few possibilities, such as her rage being focused on Beowulf for being the one to kill her son (and his men are his friends, so their deaths hurt him far more than some women he doesn't even know). The dragon wanting to kill the Queen and the mistress is tied to the fact that he hates Beowulf and wants to make him suffer. So, the idea that the Mother doesn't harm women (or simply cares nothing for them) can still be true.
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* When Beowulf says he "killed" nine sea monsters (and Grendel's mother), he's using the old euphemistic meaning.
** Care to explain further? I want to know what it means.
*** The euphemism being for "having had sex with". In the movie, which is supposedly the real-life events of which the poem is based on, the sea monsters he claims he killed are actually mermaids he had sex with, and instead of killing Grendel's mother [[spoiler:he fathers the dragon with her.]]
** Not at all. He just "killed" the mermaid, and the other sea monsters ''were'' truly killed, at least that's why I understood for it. He had sex with the mermaid, however, as he remarks he "killed" her with his "sword". And Grendel's momma too.
** Care to explain further? I want to know what it means.
*** The euphemism being for "having had sex with". In the movie, which is supposedly the real-life events of which the poem is based on, the sea monsters he claims he killed are actually mermaids he had sex with, and instead of killing Grendel's mother [[spoiler:he fathers the dragon with her.]]
** Not at all. He just "killed" the mermaid, and the other sea monsters ''were'' truly killed, at least that's why I understood for it. He had sex with the mermaid, however, as he remarks he "killed" her with his "sword". And Grendel's momma too.
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** There are a few possibilities, such as her rage being focused on Beowulf for being the one to kill her son (and his men are his friends, so their deaths hurt him far more than some women he doesn't even know). The dragon wanting to kill the Queen and the mistress is tied to the fact that he hates Beowulf and wants to make him suffer. So, the idea that the Mother doesn't harm women (or simply cares nothing for them) can still be true.
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* When Beowulf said "The age of heroes is dead. The Christ-god killed it." What does that even mean? Apart from some potential WriterOnBoard[=/=]UnfortunateImplications, it doesn't make sense in the film's context. The disappearance of demons would be a good thing, and the heroes seemed to be already in decline [[spoiler:with Hrothgar fathering Grendel and Beowulf fathering the dragon]] before Christianity arrived on the scene. The film's only openly Christian character, Unferth, was a jerk at first, however he's treated as a JerkassHasAPoint given his and Wiglaf's shared skepticism of Beowulf's tales (and how the film itself has a critical subtext towards them) and when he thinks Beowulf is a hero he apologizes for his rudeness, gives Beowulf a treasured family heirloom and treats him courteously from then on.
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* When Beowulf said "The age of heroes is dead. The Christ-god killed it." What does that even mean? Apart from some potential WriterOnBoard[=/=]UnfortunateImplications, it doesn't make sense in the film's context. The disappearance of demons would be a good thing, and the heroes seemed to be already in decline [[spoiler:with Hrothgar fathering Grendel and Beowulf fathering the dragon]] before Christianity arrived on the scene. The film's only openly Christian character, Unferth, was a jerk at first, however he's treated as a JerkassHasAPoint given his and Wiglaf's shared skepticism of Beowulf's tales (and how the film itself has a critical subtext towards them) and when he thinks Beowulf is a hero he apologizes for his rudeness, gives Beowulf a treasured family heirloom and treats him courteously from then on.on.
**The Christ God Killing the age of heroes is basically a metaphor for how Christians changed the source material of Beowulf effectively killing it by separating the story from its pagan roots and making it lose some of its inteded meanings along the way.
**The Christ God Killing the age of heroes is basically a metaphor for how Christians changed the source material of Beowulf effectively killing it by separating the story from its pagan roots and making it lose some of its inteded meanings along the way.
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** Beowulf uses a wolf when he is a hero and the king's dragon when he is king, but his VikingFuneral had a wolf sigil, not a dragon. Beowulf returned to his true self in his death.
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** Beowulf uses a wolf when he is a hero and the king's dragon when he is king, but his VikingFuneral had has a wolf sigil, not a dragon. Beowulf returned to his true self in his death.
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** Beowulf uses a wolf when he is a hero and the king's dragon when he is king, but his VikingFuneral had a wolf sigil, not a dragon. Beowulf returned to his true self in his death.
** All the kings (Hrothgar, Beowulf, Wiglaf) use the dragon sigil. All of them became kings for defeating a dragon or dragon-like creature (Wiglaf killed the dragon in the poem, unlike in the movie). Of course, this was all a big lie in all three cases. Before Christianity made it a symbol of evil, the dragon was the personification of power because it was the most powerful animal, so it makes sense as a king's sigil in the story. Out of the story, it also makes sense to be the sigil of these kings, because dragons aren't real, just like their claims of heroism.
** Beowulf uses a wolf when he is a hero and the king's dragon when he is king, but his VikingFuneral had a wolf sigil, not a dragon. Beowulf returned to his true self in his death.
** All the kings (Hrothgar, Beowulf, Wiglaf) use the dragon sigil. All of them became kings for defeating a dragon or dragon-like creature (Wiglaf killed the dragon in the poem, unlike in the movie). Of course, this was all a big lie in all three cases. Before Christianity made it a symbol of evil, the dragon was the personification of power because it was the most powerful animal, so it makes sense as a king's sigil in the story. Out of the story, it also makes sense to be the sigil of these kings, because dragons aren't real, just like their claims of heroism.
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* When Beowulf says he "killed" nine sea monsters (and Grendel's mother), he's using the old euphemistic meaning.
** Care to explain further? I want to know what it means.
*** The euphemism being for "having had sex with". In the movie, which is supposedly the real-life events of which the poem is based on, the sea monsters he claims he killed are actually mermaids he had sex with, and instead of killing Grendel's mother [[spoiler:he fathers the dragon with her.]]
** Not at all. He just "killed" the mermaid, and the other sea monsters ''were'' truly killed, at least that's why I understood for it. He had sex with the mermaid, however, as he remarks he "killed" her with his "sword". And Grendel's momma too.
* The ending is supposed to be ambiguous... perhaps Wiglaf will continue the cycle Beowulf tried to stop. However. The entire premise is based around the idea that this takes place in our reality, and we have been reading the incomplete/glorified story for hundreds of years. In the past there were great heroes and all manner of creatures: Demons, Nephilim, Sea Monsters, Mermaids, Dragons, super human heroes, etc. Now there are none... which is a big theme of the story. Therefore, either Wiglaf or some other hero down the line will slay Grendel's Mother (she being the last of demonkind) and by the Renaissance we have reached an age free from these beasts. So in a way, it's a Fridge Hope ending.
* Grendel (and by extension Grendel's mother) are said to have descended from Cain, the first murderer. HOWEVER, tradition states that Noah ISN'T descended from Cain, and his family is the only family to survive God's flood. The flood would've wiped out all traces of Cain's family line. Therefore, Grendel's mother being a water demon makes perfect sense. It actually solves a plot hole.
** Well, that's only if you discount Noah's ''wife'', who was a descendant of Cain in certain Jewish traditions. Which would mean that ''all'' of the characters depicted would be descendants of Cain, not just the monsters. That makes the poem fall rather flat when you think of it, but would tie in rather well with the movie's themes of hypocrisy.
*** The above only works if one discounts the other people on the Ark. According to the Scriptures of the Abrahamic faiths Noah, his wife, their three sons and their wives were on the Ark. As a result, one or more of the wives of Noah's sons could be descended from Cain. That way there are both people who are descended from Cain and people who aren't descended from Cain thousands of years later.
* Grendel's mother got her revenge on Beowulf by arranging for him to ''share Grendel's own fate''. They were both annoyed by the celebrations of the Danes, Grendel because of the noise and Beowulf because he knew their admiration of him was based on a lie. They both demonstrated an immunity to the blades of men, Grendel because of his supernatural heritage and Beowulf because Finn couldn't go through with attacking an unarmed, defiant LivingLegend. They both tore enemies apart bare-handed, and they both had an arm taken off by Beowulf in their final battle: a knock-down, drag-out fight between Beowulf and one of the Water-Demoness's sons.
!!FridgeHorror
* Hrothgar states that Grendel's mother is the last of her kind and that with her gone demonkind will be no more. What is Hrothgar basing that assumption on? If he's wrong, even assuming someone finds a way to slay Grendel's mother, how does he know that there aren't other demons out there who could be just as dangerous or even worse than Grendel's mother?
!!FridgeLogic
* Grendel's mother says that humans "... have slain so many of (our) kind", referring to demons. However Grendel's mother [[spoiler:killed over a dozen armed and armored people single-handedly in less than one night as revenge for Grendel's death]] and when [[spoiler: Beowulf confronted Grendel's mother in her lair, his sword had no effect on her]], tying into the poem where she's immune to weapons made by humans hands. Going by this she is obviously very dangerous herself. So how exactly are humans a threat to her and how did we slay so many of her kind? It's likely given [[OurDemonsAreDifferent what she is]] and [[ManipulativeBastard her nature]] that she is either an UnreliableNarrator or she's lying to Grendel.
** MoralMyopia.
* When Grendel's mother goes on a rampage to avenge Grendel she kills all of Hrothgar's men except Wiglaf (who wasn't there at the time) and Beowulf (who she has other plans for), she spares the women who were having sex with Beowulf's men. Why spare the women but kill the men? The men didn't contribute anything to killing Grendel; all of the harm Grendel suffered was done by Beowulf with Wiglaf (who survived) only lending a sword to lock the chain and trap Grendel. The other men's weapons didn't work on him and Grendel never mentioned them to his mother beyond a generalized "them", focusing on taking about Beowulf with his dying words. Furthermore, by having sex with those men the women could be seen as celebrating Grendel's death, which hurt her, yet she made no move to harm them. Even the idea that she doesn't harm women falls flat because Grendel killed a few women during his first rampage and [[spoiler: her son with Beowulf expressed a desire to kill Beowulf's wife and mistress]], yet she voiced no objections. It makes no sense.
* When Beowulf said "The age of heroes is dead. The Christ-god killed it." What does that even mean? Apart from some potential WriterOnBoard[=/=]UnfortunateImplications, it doesn't make sense in the film's context. The disappearance of demons would be a good thing, and the heroes seemed to be already in decline [[spoiler:with Hrothgar fathering Grendel and Beowulf fathering the dragon]] before Christianity arrived on the scene. The film's only openly Christian character, Unferth, was a jerk at first, however he's treated as a JerkassHasAPoint given his and Wiglaf's shared skepticism of Beowulf's tales (and how the film itself has a critical subtext towards them) and when he thinks Beowulf is a hero he apologizes for his rudeness, gives Beowulf a treasured family heirloom and treats him courteously from then on.
* When Beowulf says he "killed" nine sea monsters (and Grendel's mother), he's using the old euphemistic meaning.
** Care to explain further? I want to know what it means.
*** The euphemism being for "having had sex with". In the movie, which is supposedly the real-life events of which the poem is based on, the sea monsters he claims he killed are actually mermaids he had sex with, and instead of killing Grendel's mother [[spoiler:he fathers the dragon with her.]]
** Not at all. He just "killed" the mermaid, and the other sea monsters ''were'' truly killed, at least that's why I understood for it. He had sex with the mermaid, however, as he remarks he "killed" her with his "sword". And Grendel's momma too.
* The ending is supposed to be ambiguous... perhaps Wiglaf will continue the cycle Beowulf tried to stop. However. The entire premise is based around the idea that this takes place in our reality, and we have been reading the incomplete/glorified story for hundreds of years. In the past there were great heroes and all manner of creatures: Demons, Nephilim, Sea Monsters, Mermaids, Dragons, super human heroes, etc. Now there are none... which is a big theme of the story. Therefore, either Wiglaf or some other hero down the line will slay Grendel's Mother (she being the last of demonkind) and by the Renaissance we have reached an age free from these beasts. So in a way, it's a Fridge Hope ending.
* Grendel (and by extension Grendel's mother) are said to have descended from Cain, the first murderer. HOWEVER, tradition states that Noah ISN'T descended from Cain, and his family is the only family to survive God's flood. The flood would've wiped out all traces of Cain's family line. Therefore, Grendel's mother being a water demon makes perfect sense. It actually solves a plot hole.
** Well, that's only if you discount Noah's ''wife'', who was a descendant of Cain in certain Jewish traditions. Which would mean that ''all'' of the characters depicted would be descendants of Cain, not just the monsters. That makes the poem fall rather flat when you think of it, but would tie in rather well with the movie's themes of hypocrisy.
*** The above only works if one discounts the other people on the Ark. According to the Scriptures of the Abrahamic faiths Noah, his wife, their three sons and their wives were on the Ark. As a result, one or more of the wives of Noah's sons could be descended from Cain. That way there are both people who are descended from Cain and people who aren't descended from Cain thousands of years later.
* Grendel's mother got her revenge on Beowulf by arranging for him to ''share Grendel's own fate''. They were both annoyed by the celebrations of the Danes, Grendel because of the noise and Beowulf because he knew their admiration of him was based on a lie. They both demonstrated an immunity to the blades of men, Grendel because of his supernatural heritage and Beowulf because Finn couldn't go through with attacking an unarmed, defiant LivingLegend. They both tore enemies apart bare-handed, and they both had an arm taken off by Beowulf in their final battle: a knock-down, drag-out fight between Beowulf and one of the Water-Demoness's sons.
!!FridgeHorror
* Hrothgar states that Grendel's mother is the last of her kind and that with her gone demonkind will be no more. What is Hrothgar basing that assumption on? If he's wrong, even assuming someone finds a way to slay Grendel's mother, how does he know that there aren't other demons out there who could be just as dangerous or even worse than Grendel's mother?
!!FridgeLogic
* Grendel's mother says that humans "... have slain so many of (our) kind", referring to demons. However Grendel's mother [[spoiler:killed over a dozen armed and armored people single-handedly in less than one night as revenge for Grendel's death]] and when [[spoiler: Beowulf confronted Grendel's mother in her lair, his sword had no effect on her]], tying into the poem where she's immune to weapons made by humans hands. Going by this she is obviously very dangerous herself. So how exactly are humans a threat to her and how did we slay so many of her kind? It's likely given [[OurDemonsAreDifferent what she is]] and [[ManipulativeBastard her nature]] that she is either an UnreliableNarrator or she's lying to Grendel.
** MoralMyopia.
* When Grendel's mother goes on a rampage to avenge Grendel she kills all of Hrothgar's men except Wiglaf (who wasn't there at the time) and Beowulf (who she has other plans for), she spares the women who were having sex with Beowulf's men. Why spare the women but kill the men? The men didn't contribute anything to killing Grendel; all of the harm Grendel suffered was done by Beowulf with Wiglaf (who survived) only lending a sword to lock the chain and trap Grendel. The other men's weapons didn't work on him and Grendel never mentioned them to his mother beyond a generalized "them", focusing on taking about Beowulf with his dying words. Furthermore, by having sex with those men the women could be seen as celebrating Grendel's death, which hurt her, yet she made no move to harm them. Even the idea that she doesn't harm women falls flat because Grendel killed a few women during his first rampage and [[spoiler: her son with Beowulf expressed a desire to kill Beowulf's wife and mistress]], yet she voiced no objections. It makes no sense.
* When Beowulf said "The age of heroes is dead. The Christ-god killed it." What does that even mean? Apart from some potential WriterOnBoard[=/=]UnfortunateImplications, it doesn't make sense in the film's context. The disappearance of demons would be a good thing, and the heroes seemed to be already in decline [[spoiler:with Hrothgar fathering Grendel and Beowulf fathering the dragon]] before Christianity arrived on the scene. The film's only openly Christian character, Unferth, was a jerk at first, however he's treated as a JerkassHasAPoint given his and Wiglaf's shared skepticism of Beowulf's tales (and how the film itself has a critical subtext towards them) and when he thinks Beowulf is a hero he apologizes for his rudeness, gives Beowulf a treasured family heirloom and treats him courteously from then on.
