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** Borders on fridge brilliance when you reflect on every Templar's dying speech. Every criticism they made of the Assassins is essentially true. Assassins don't build, they destroy. Assassins are reactive, not proactive. Assassins squander every opportunity available to them because they fear the long-term rammifications of their meddling. Even when a cause is tailor-made for them, Assassins balk at throwing themselves behind it. And now the long term effects of each philosophy is being seen.
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** Borders on fridge brilliance when you reflect on every Templar's dying speech. Every criticism they made of the Assassins is essentially true. Assassins don't build, they destroy. Assassins are reactive, not proactive. Assassins squander every opportunity available to them because they fear the long-term rammifications of their meddling. Even when a cause is tailor-made for them, Assassins balk at throwing themselves behind it. And now the long term effects of each philosophy is being seen.seen.
* Jack The Ripper's memories. Where did they come from? After all, one needs to have a living descendant to survive to this day for them to be gathered, AND those events can't obviously be gathered that occurred after the descendant was sired. And the last memory of the Ripper we view is just shortly before his death. Seems like there are two options: One is that Evie killed a decoy - and the real one got away. The other... {{squick}}.
** Pieces of Eden can also record memories, like Altair's discs in ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedRevelations''. But are there any indications that Jack is possessing precursor technology?
*** FridgeBrilliance: Could explain his advanced use of all the fear tactics.
* Jack The Ripper's memories. Where did they come from? After all, one needs to have a living descendant to survive to this day for them to be gathered, AND those events can't obviously be gathered that occurred after the descendant was sired. And the last memory of the Ripper we view is just shortly before his death. Seems like there are two options: One is that Evie killed a decoy - and the real one got away. The other... {{squick}}.
** Pieces of Eden can also record memories, like Altair's discs in ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedRevelations''. But are there any indications that Jack is possessing precursor technology?
*** FridgeBrilliance: Could explain his advanced use of all the fear tactics.
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** Borders on fridge brilliance when you reflect on every Templar's dying speech. Every criticism they made of the Assassins is essentially true. Assassins don't build, they destroy. Assassins are reactive not proactive. Assassins squander every opportunity available to them because they fear the long term rammifications of their meddling. Even when a cause is tailor-made for them Assassins balk at throwing themselves behind it. And now the long term effects of each philosophy ais being seen.
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** Borders on fridge brilliance when you reflect on every Templar's dying speech. Every criticism they made of the Assassins is essentially true. Assassins don't build, they destroy. Assassins are reactive reactive, not proactive. Assassins squander every opportunity available to them because they fear the long term long-term rammifications of their meddling. Even when a cause is tailor-made for them them, Assassins balk at throwing themselves behind it. And now the long term effects of each philosophy ais is being seen.
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** Borders on fridge brilliance when you reflect on every Templar's dying speech. Every criticism they made of the Assassins is essentially true. Assassins don't build, they destroy. Assassins are reactive not proactive. Assassins squander every opportunity available to them because they fear the long term rammifications of their meddling. Even when a cause is tailor-made for them Assassins balk at throwing themselves behind it. And now the long term effects of both orders' philosophy are being seen.
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** Borders on fridge brilliance when you reflect on every Templar's dying speech. Every criticism they made of the Assassins is essentially true. Assassins don't build, they destroy. Assassins are reactive not proactive. Assassins squander every opportunity available to them because they fear the long term rammifications of their meddling. Even when a cause is tailor-made for them Assassins balk at throwing themselves behind it. And now the long term effects of both orders' each philosophy are ais being seen.
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** This might also explain why the death of templars sometimes lead to a power vacuum or a social/economic crisis. Since Jacob was moving so fast, they didn't have time to cultivate alternative relationships the same way Ezio or Conner did to create alternatives to the templars. So when the templars did fall, there wasn't as many people to help.
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* We are playing as Jack the Ripper through the Animus. That means he left a descendant before his confrontation with Evie, which leads to a whole lot of other implications. The least squicky, being that he wouldn't be the only serial killer in history who had a significant other. This version of Jack the Ripper is a DiabolicalMastermind and EvilOverlord more than a murderer of habit so it's very likely he had numerous potential lovers. [[spoiler: After all, he was the leader of the Rooks after Jacob's overthrow.]]
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** One disturbing bit seen in Syndicate as continued from the series is that it's becoming harder and harder for the Assassins to actually make headway against Templar strongholds without accidentally making things harder for the people they swear to protect. In the first game, the templar order kept sending up scabs to take high positions in both Crusader and Saracen societies, but their elimination just allowed the highest leaders to bring in new appointees. In Ezio's time, the Templars were strong leaders as well, but thanks to cultivated relationships with rival families, their downfall didn't mean the cities collapsed. In Edward Kenway's time, the Templars were leaders in colonial governments, but due to general apathy to central law in the Caribbean, their deaths didn't signal the end of imperial colonies. For Conner, the Templars again had hands in all sides, but thanks to a rash of new blood in leadership for America, their defeats were mere footnotes in the grand scheme of the American Revolution. In the French Revolution, the Assassins ran into serious trouble, and despite their best efforts, were unable to stop the Templars from instituting the Reign of Terror. The Templars were stopped, but the damage was done.
** But in Syndicate, the Templar's positions make it so that with each kill, somehow a part of London Infrastructure falls. Whether it's a medical, a transportation, or a fiscal crisis. As if it's getting harder to find others to take the place of the templars once they're gone.
** This can also be extended to the modern era, as thanks to "the Truth" minigames and the dialog in the "today" section, killing templar leaders hardly makes a dent at all in their work, and the templars even managed to instigate [[spoiler: A World War]] despite the best efforts of the assassins. Almost like the Assassin's Creed series is building up to be a ShaggyDogStory about the futility of the assassin cause.
** Borders on fridge brilliance when you reflect on every Templar's dying speech. Every criticism they made of the Assassins is essentially true. Assassins don't build, they destroy. Assassins are reactive not proactive. Assassins squander every oppurtunity available to them because they fear the long term rammifications of their meddling. Even when a cause is tailor made for them Assassins balk at throwing themselves behind it. And now the long term effects of both orders' philosophy are being seen.
** But in Syndicate, the Templar's positions make it so that with each kill, somehow a part of London Infrastructure falls. Whether it's a medical, a transportation, or a fiscal crisis. As if it's getting harder to find others to take the place of the templars once they're gone.
** This can also be extended to the modern era, as thanks to "the Truth" minigames and the dialog in the "today" section, killing templar leaders hardly makes a dent at all in their work, and the templars even managed to instigate [[spoiler: A World War]] despite the best efforts of the assassins. Almost like the Assassin's Creed series is building up to be a ShaggyDogStory about the futility of the assassin cause.
** Borders on fridge brilliance when you reflect on every Templar's dying speech. Every criticism they made of the Assassins is essentially true. Assassins don't build, they destroy. Assassins are reactive not proactive. Assassins squander every oppurtunity available to them because they fear the long term rammifications of their meddling. Even when a cause is tailor made for them Assassins balk at throwing themselves behind it. And now the long term effects of both orders' philosophy are being seen.
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** One disturbing bit seen in Syndicate as continued from the series is that it's becoming harder and harder for the Assassins to actually make headway against Templar strongholds without accidentally making things harder for the people they swear to protect. In the first game, the templar order kept sending up scabs to take high positions in both Crusader and Saracen societies, but their elimination just allowed the highest leaders to bring in new appointees. In Ezio's time, the Templars were strong leaders as well, but thanks to cultivated relationships with rival families, their downfall didn't mean the cities collapsed. In Edward Kenway's time, the Templars were leaders in colonial governments, but due to general apathy to central law in the Caribbean, their deaths didn't signal the end of imperial colonies. For Conner, Connor, the Templars again had hands in all sides, but thanks to a rash of new blood in leadership for America, their defeats were mere footnotes in the grand scheme of the American Revolution. In the French Revolution, the Assassins ran into serious trouble, and despite their best efforts, were unable to stop the Templars from instituting the Reign of Terror. The Templars were stopped, but the damage was done.
** But in Syndicate, theTemplar's Templars' positions make it so that with each kill, somehow a part of London Infrastructure falls. Whether infrastructure falls, whether it's a medical, a transportation, or a fiscal crisis. As if it's getting harder to find others to take the place of the templars Templars once they're gone.
** This can also be extended to the modern era, as thanks to "the Truth" minigames and the dialog in the "today" section, killingtemplar Templar leaders hardly makes a dent at all in their work, and the templars even managed to instigate [[spoiler: A [[spoiler:a World War]] despite the best efforts of the assassins. Assassins. Almost like the Assassin's Creed series is building up to be a ShaggyDogStory about the futility of the assassin Assassin cause.
** Borders on fridge brilliance when you reflect on every Templar's dying speech. Every criticism they made of the Assassins is essentially true. Assassins don't build, they destroy. Assassins are reactive not proactive. Assassins squander everyoppurtunity opportunity available to them because they fear the long term rammifications of their meddling. Even when a cause is tailor made tailor-made for them Assassins balk at throwing themselves behind it. And now the long term effects of both orders' philosophy are being seen.
** But in Syndicate, the
** This can also be extended to the modern era, as thanks to "the Truth" minigames and the dialog in the "today" section, killing
** Borders on fridge brilliance when you reflect on every Templar's dying speech. Every criticism they made of the Assassins is essentially true. Assassins don't build, they destroy. Assassins are reactive not proactive. Assassins squander every
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* The subject of Ned Wynert's transgender status never comes up in a potential case of PoliticallyCorrectHistory but, bluntly, ''why would either of the Frye twins bring it up?'' Neither of them are HeteronormativeCrusader types and even if they held values which were closer to the time period than liberal Modern Day, it's not exactly something they'd approach. Ned Wynert is their extremely valuable fence and underworld contact who is not someone they'd want to risk asking insulting questions of.
** The Assassins have been known to be fairly enlightened thinkers, centuries ahead of their time in their values and beliefs. Race, gender, class, none of that ever mattered. Remember that Altair was an atheist in a time where such a thing would have gotten you killed, and Ezio was supportive of Leonardo Da Vinci's homosexuality.
** The Assassins have been known to be fairly enlightened thinkers, centuries ahead of their time in their values and beliefs. Race, gender, class, none of that ever mattered. Remember that Altair was an atheist in a time where such a thing would have gotten you killed, and Ezio was supportive of Leonardo Da Vinci's homosexuality.
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* The subject of Ned Wynert's transgender status never comes up in a potential case of PoliticallyCorrectHistory but, bluntly, ''why would either of the Frye twins bring it up?'' Neither of them are HeteronormativeCrusader types and even if they held values which were closer to the time period than liberal Modern Day, it's not exactly something they'd approach. Ned Wynert is their extremely valuable fence and underworld contact who is not someone they'd want to risk asking insulting questions of.
**of. The Assassins have been known to be fairly enlightened thinkers, centuries ahead of their time in their values and beliefs. Race, gender, class, none of that ever mattered. Remember that Altair was an atheist in a time where such a thing would have gotten you killed, and Ezio was supportive of Leonardo Da Vinci's homosexuality.
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* We are playing as Jack the Ripper through the Animus. That means he left a descendant before his confrontation with Evie. Which leads to a whole lot of other implications. The least squicky, being that he wouldn't be the only serial killer in history who had a significant other.
** This version of Jack the Ripper is a DiabolicalMastermind and EvilOverlord more than a murderer of habit so it's very likely he had numerous potential lovers. [[spoiler: After all, he was the leader of the Rooks after Jacob's overthrow.]]
* One disturbing bit seen in Syndicate as continued from the series is that it's becoming harder and harder for the Assassins to actually make headway against Templar strongholds without accidentally making things harder for the people they swear to protect.
** In the first game, the templar order kept sending up scabs to take high positions in both Crusader and Saracen societies, but their elimination just allowed the highest leaders to bring in new appointees.
** In Ezio's time, the Templars were strong leaders as well, but thanks to cultivated relationships with rival families, their downfall didn't mean the cities collapsed.
** In Edward Kenway's time, the Templars were leaders in colonial governments, but due to general apathy to central law in the Caribbean, their deaths didn't signal the end of imperial colonies.
** For Conner, the Templars again had hands in all sides, but thanks to a rash of new blood in leadership for America, their defeats were mere footnotes in the grand scheme of the American Revolution.
** In the French Revolution, the Assassins ran into serious trouble, and despite their best efforts, were unable to stop the Templars from instituting the Reign of Terror. The Templars were stopped, but the damage was done.
** This version of Jack the Ripper is a DiabolicalMastermind and EvilOverlord more than a murderer of habit so it's very likely he had numerous potential lovers. [[spoiler: After all, he was the leader of the Rooks after Jacob's overthrow.]]
* One disturbing bit seen in Syndicate as continued from the series is that it's becoming harder and harder for the Assassins to actually make headway against Templar strongholds without accidentally making things harder for the people they swear to protect.
** In the first game, the templar order kept sending up scabs to take high positions in both Crusader and Saracen societies, but their elimination just allowed the highest leaders to bring in new appointees.
** In Ezio's time, the Templars were strong leaders as well, but thanks to cultivated relationships with rival families, their downfall didn't mean the cities collapsed.
** In Edward Kenway's time, the Templars were leaders in colonial governments, but due to general apathy to central law in the Caribbean, their deaths didn't signal the end of imperial colonies.
** For Conner, the Templars again had hands in all sides, but thanks to a rash of new blood in leadership for America, their defeats were mere footnotes in the grand scheme of the American Revolution.
** In the French Revolution, the Assassins ran into serious trouble, and despite their best efforts, were unable to stop the Templars from instituting the Reign of Terror. The Templars were stopped, but the damage was done.
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* We are playing as Jack the Ripper through the Animus. That means he left a descendant before his confrontation with Evie. Which Evie, which leads to a whole lot of other implications. The least squicky, being that he wouldn't be the only serial killer in history who had a significant other.
**other. This version of Jack the Ripper is a DiabolicalMastermind and EvilOverlord more than a murderer of habit so it's very likely he had numerous potential lovers. [[spoiler: After all, he was the leader of the Rooks after Jacob's overthrow.]]
* Assassins and Templars through the ages:
** One disturbing bit seen in Syndicate as continued from the series is that it's becoming harder and harder for the Assassins to actually make headway against Templar strongholds without accidentally making things harder for the people they swear toprotect.
**protect. In the first game, the templar order kept sending up scabs to take high positions in both Crusader and Saracen societies, but their elimination just allowed the highest leaders to bring in new appointees.
**appointees. In Ezio's time, the Templars were strong leaders as well, but thanks to cultivated relationships with rival families, their downfall didn't mean the cities collapsed.
**collapsed. In Edward Kenway's time, the Templars were leaders in colonial governments, but due to general apathy to central law in the Caribbean, their deaths didn't signal the end of imperial colonies.
**colonies. For Conner, the Templars again had hands in all sides, but thanks to a rash of new blood in leadership for America, their defeats were mere footnotes in the grand scheme of the American Revolution.
**Revolution. In the French Revolution, the Assassins ran into serious trouble, and despite their best efforts, were unable to stop the Templars from instituting the Reign of Terror. The Templars were stopped, but the damage was done.
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* Assassins and Templars through the ages:
** One disturbing bit seen in Syndicate as continued from the series is that it's becoming harder and harder for the Assassins to actually make headway against Templar strongholds without accidentally making things harder for the people they swear to
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*** This can also be extended to the modern era, as thanks to "the Truth" minigames and the dialog in the "today" section, killing templar leaders hardly makes a dent at all in their work, and the templars even managed to instigate [[spoiler: A World War]] despite the best efforts of the assassins. Almost like the Assassin's Creed series is building up to be a ShaggyDogStory about the futility of the assassin cause.
*** Borders on fridge brilliance when you reflect on every Templar's dying speech. Every criticism they made of the Assassins is essentially true. Assassins don't build, they destroy. Assassins are reactive not proactive. Assassins squander every oppurtunity available to them because they fear the long term rammifications of their meddling. Even when a cause is tailor made for them Assassins balk at throwing themselves behind it. And now the long term effects of both orders' philosophy are being seen.
*** Borders on fridge brilliance when you reflect on every Templar's dying speech. Every criticism they made of the Assassins is essentially true. Assassins don't build, they destroy. Assassins are reactive not proactive. Assassins squander every oppurtunity available to them because they fear the long term rammifications of their meddling. Even when a cause is tailor made for them Assassins balk at throwing themselves behind it. And now the long term effects of both orders' philosophy are being seen.
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*** This can also be extended to the modern era, as thanks to "the Truth" minigames and the dialog in the "today" section, killing templar leaders hardly makes a dent at all in their work, and the templars even managed to instigate [[spoiler: A World War]] despite the best efforts of the assassins. Almost like the Assassin's Creed series is building up to be a ShaggyDogStory about the futility of the assassin cause.
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*** This can also be extended to the modern era, as thanks to "the Truth" minigames and the dialog in the "today" section, killing templar leaders hardly makes a dent at all in their work, and the templars even managed to instigate [[spoiler: A World War]] despite the best efforts of the assassins. Almost like the Assassin's Creed series is building up to be a ShaggyDogStory about the futility of the assassin cause.cause.
*** Borders on fridge brilliance when you reflect on every Templar's dying speech. Every criticism they made of the Assassins is essentially true. Assassins don't build, they destroy. Assassins are reactive not proactive. Assassins squander every oppurtunity available to them because they fear the long term rammifications of their meddling. Even when a cause is tailor made for them Assassins balk at throwing themselves behind it. And now the long term effects of both orders' philosophy are being seen.
*** Borders on fridge brilliance when you reflect on every Templar's dying speech. Every criticism they made of the Assassins is essentially true. Assassins don't build, they destroy. Assassins are reactive not proactive. Assassins squander every oppurtunity available to them because they fear the long term rammifications of their meddling. Even when a cause is tailor made for them Assassins balk at throwing themselves behind it. And now the long term effects of both orders' philosophy are being seen.
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* One disturbing bit seen in Syndicate as continued from the series is that it's becoming harder and harder for the Assassins to actually make headway against Templar strongholds.
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* One disturbing bit seen in Syndicate as continued from the series is that it's becoming harder and harder for the Assassins to actually make headway against Templar strongholds.strongholds without accidentally making things harder for the people they swear to protect.
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** In Edward Kenway's time, the Templars were leaders in colonial governments, but due to an inability to enforce the high seas, their deaths didn't signal the end of imperial colonies.
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** In Edward Kenway's time, the Templars were leaders in colonial governments, but due to an inability general apathy to enforce central law in the high seas, Caribbean, their deaths didn't signal the end of imperial colonies.
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*** This can also be extended to the modern era, as thanks to "the Truth" minigames and the dialog in the "today" section, killing templar leaders hardly makes a dent at all in their work, and the templars even managed to instigate [[spoiler: A World War]] despite the best efforts of the assassins.
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*** This can also be extended to the modern era, as thanks to "the Truth" minigames and the dialog in the "today" section, killing templar leaders hardly makes a dent at all in their work, and the templars even managed to instigate [[spoiler: A World War]] despite the best efforts of the assassins. Almost like the Assassin's Creed series is building up to be a ShaggyDogStory about the futility of the assassin cause.
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** This version of Jack the Ripper is a DiabolicalMastermind and EvilOverlord more than a murderer of habit so it's very likely he had numerous potential lovers. [[spoiler: After all, he was the leader of the Rooks after Jacob's overthrow.]]
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** This version of Jack the Ripper is a DiabolicalMastermind and EvilOverlord more than a murderer of habit so it's very likely he had numerous potential lovers. [[spoiler: After all, he was the leader of the Rooks after Jacob's overthrow.]]]]
* One disturbing bit seen in Syndicate as continued from the series is that it's becoming harder and harder for the Assassins to actually make headway against Templar strongholds.
** In the first game, the templar order kept sending up scabs to take high positions in both Crusader and Saracen societies, but their elimination just allowed the highest leaders to bring in new appointees.
** In Ezio's time, the Templars were strong leaders as well, but thanks to cultivated relationships with rival families, their downfall didn't mean the cities collapsed.
** In Edward Kenway's time, the Templars were leaders in colonial governments, but due to an inability to enforce the high seas, their deaths didn't signal the end of imperial colonies.
** For Conner, the Templars again had hands in all sides, but thanks to a rash of new blood in leadership for America, their defeats were mere footnotes in the grand scheme of the American Revolution.
** In the French Revolution, the Assassins ran into serious trouble, and despite their best efforts, were unable to stop the Templars from instituting the Reign of Terror. The Templars were stopped, but the damage was done.
** But in Syndicate, the Templar's positions make it so that with each kill, somehow a part of London Infrastructure falls. Whether it's a medical, a transportation, or a fiscal crisis. As if it's getting harder to find others to take the place of the templars once they're gone.
*** This can also be extended to the modern era, as thanks to "the Truth" minigames and the dialog in the "today" section, killing templar leaders hardly makes a dent at all in their work, and the templars even managed to instigate [[spoiler: A World War]] despite the best efforts of the assassins.
* One disturbing bit seen in Syndicate as continued from the series is that it's becoming harder and harder for the Assassins to actually make headway against Templar strongholds.
** In the first game, the templar order kept sending up scabs to take high positions in both Crusader and Saracen societies, but their elimination just allowed the highest leaders to bring in new appointees.
** In Ezio's time, the Templars were strong leaders as well, but thanks to cultivated relationships with rival families, their downfall didn't mean the cities collapsed.
** In Edward Kenway's time, the Templars were leaders in colonial governments, but due to an inability to enforce the high seas, their deaths didn't signal the end of imperial colonies.
** For Conner, the Templars again had hands in all sides, but thanks to a rash of new blood in leadership for America, their defeats were mere footnotes in the grand scheme of the American Revolution.
** In the French Revolution, the Assassins ran into serious trouble, and despite their best efforts, were unable to stop the Templars from instituting the Reign of Terror. The Templars were stopped, but the damage was done.
** But in Syndicate, the Templar's positions make it so that with each kill, somehow a part of London Infrastructure falls. Whether it's a medical, a transportation, or a fiscal crisis. As if it's getting harder to find others to take the place of the templars once they're gone.
*** This can also be extended to the modern era, as thanks to "the Truth" minigames and the dialog in the "today" section, killing templar leaders hardly makes a dent at all in their work, and the templars even managed to instigate [[spoiler: A World War]] despite the best efforts of the assassins.
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* We are playing as Jack the Ripper through the Animus. That means he left a descendant before his confrontation with Evie. Which leads to a whole lot of other implications. The least squicky, being that he wouldn't be the only serial killer in history who had a significant other.
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* We are playing as Jack the Ripper through the Animus. That means he left a descendant before his confrontation with Evie. Which leads to a whole lot of other implications. The least squicky, being that he wouldn't be the only serial killer in history who had a significant other.other.
** This version of Jack the Ripper is a DiabolicalMastermind and EvilOverlord more than a murderer of habit so it's very likely he had numerous potential lovers. [[spoiler: After all, he was the leader of the Rooks after Jacob's overthrow.]]
** This version of Jack the Ripper is a DiabolicalMastermind and EvilOverlord more than a murderer of habit so it's very likely he had numerous potential lovers. [[spoiler: After all, he was the leader of the Rooks after Jacob's overthrow.]]
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* We are playing as Jack the Ripper through the Animus. That means he left a descendant before his confrontation with Evie. Which leads to a whole lot of other implications. The least skwicky, squicky, being that he wouldn't be the only serial killer in history who had a significant other.other.
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* We are playing as Jack the Ripper through the Animus. That means he left a descendant before hos confrontation with Evie. Which leads to a whole lot of other implications. The least skicky, being that he wouldn't be the only serial killer in history who had a significant other.
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* We are playing as Jack the Ripper through the Animus. That means he left a descendant, which descendant before hos confrontation with Evie. Which leads to a whole lot of other implications. The least skicky, being that he wouldn't be the only serial killer in history who had a significant other.
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* We are playing as Jack the Ripper through the Animus. That means he left a descendant, which lead leads to a whole lot of other implications. The least skicky, being that he wouldn't be the only serial killer in history who had a significant other.
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* We are playing as Jack the Ripper through the Animus. That means he left a descendant, which lead to a whole lot of other implications. The least skicky, being that he wouldn't be the only serial killer in history who had a significant other.
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* While its equally possible [[spoiler: Maxwell Roth]]'s farewell kiss was just him spiting Jacob, it's also possible his FoeYay overtures are actual romantic ones. If he's is a gay man in Victorian London, his absolute disregard and hatred for society may have a FreudianExcuse. As a ManlyGay LondonGangster, he may also be overcompensating with TestosteronePoisoning. This would be doubly appropriate given [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kray_twins how some RL British]] gangsters have gone to AxCrazy levels to deal with prejudice.
* Henry's love of Evie Frye is interesting as while it would be incredibly difficult as an interracial couple in the time period (albeit not impossible even then), they're actually quite appropriate for each other in other ways. The Assassin order has a history of intermarrying with its members and as a Master Assassin, albeit a clumsy one, Henry is an ideal choice in some ways.
* Henry's love of Evie Frye is interesting as while it would be incredibly difficult as an interracial couple in the time period (albeit not impossible even then), they're actually quite appropriate for each other in other ways. The Assassin order has a history of intermarrying with its members and as a Master Assassin, albeit a clumsy one, Henry is an ideal choice in some ways.
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* While its equally possible [[spoiler: Maxwell Roth]]'s Roth's farewell kiss kiss]] was just him spiting Jacob, it's also possible his FoeYay overtures are actual romantic ones. If he's is a gay man in Victorian London, his absolute disregard and hatred for society may have a FreudianExcuse. As a ManlyGay LondonGangster, he may also be overcompensating with TestosteronePoisoning. This would be doubly appropriate given [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kray_twins how some RL British]] gangsters have gone to AxCrazy levels to deal with prejudice.
*Henry's [[spoiler:Henry's love of Evie Frye Frye]] is interesting as while it would be incredibly difficult as an interracial couple in the time period (albeit not impossible even then), they're actually quite appropriate for each other in other ways. The Assassin order has a history of intermarrying with its members and as a Master Assassin, albeit a clumsy one, Henry is an ideal choice in some ways.
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* When Jacob asks who Henry Green is, Evie answers and then asks, "Did you not listen the first three times?" Then this troper remembered that in the OpeningNarration, Henry said to George that he has been asking for aid three times with no response. Evie, the smart girl, actually heard about the letters George had been receiving!
* One of the character development points the twins learn in the main story is how they work best when they work together. [[spoiler:This doesn't get fully realized until the final mission]], but what's the one mission where they're actually seen cooperating side by side? The Crate Escape. It took just the right amount of collaboration between the twins that the mission ended up the way it did: Jacob offered to eliminate the snipers while Evie snuck down to search the chest, and then Jacob drove the cart away while Evie was left to defend them against the pursuing Templars. Evie would've wanted to keep the whole chest, but Jacob urged her to jump on the train to escape, and while Evie isn't content that they've only procured one journal, ''it's enough to actually kickstart her search for the Piece of Eden''. In-game, this is where the Evie's Notebook menu gets unlocked for the first time.
* Wanna know why all the events in the story took place in one year? Jacob's desire to take action meant Starrick's inner circle was eliminated ''that'' quickly! Compare with Evie, who said during their first argument, "It's not time for that!" She ''did'' want to take down the Templars as much as Jacob did, but her priority was finding the Piece of Eden first, while Jacob wanted to find their targets straight away. One of the contrasts between the two is how Evie prefers tactics and strategy, but this can make her slow to act, while Jacob is prone to charging in recklessly, but it gets the job done. If Evie went her way, then the story might've spanned more years than one that would involve the inevitable TimeSkip of previous ''Assassin's Creed'' stories.
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* One of the Templar Hunts has two targets called the Slaughterhouse siblings. But the optional constraint to kill them? "Have the sister kill her brother." And your player characters are exactly brother and sister. Ouch...
* One of the character development points the twins learn in the main story is how they work best when they work together. [[spoiler:This doesn't get fully realized until the final mission]], but what's the one mission where they're actually seen cooperating side by side? The Crate Escape. It took just the right amount of collaboration between the twins that the mission ended up the way it did: Jacob offered to eliminate the snipers while Evie snuck down to search the chest, and then Jacob drove the cart away while Evie was left to defend them against the pursuing Templars. Evie would've wanted to keep the whole chest, but Jacob urged her to jump on the train to escape, and while Evie isn't content that they've only procured one journal, ''it's enough to actually kickstart her search for the Piece of Eden''. In-game, this is where the Evie's Notebook menu gets unlocked for the first time.
* Wanna know why all the events in the story took place in one year? Jacob's desire to take action meant Starrick's inner circle was eliminated ''that'' quickly! Compare with Evie, who said during their first argument, "It's not time for that!" She ''did'' want to take down the Templars as much as Jacob did, but her priority was finding the Piece of Eden first, while Jacob wanted to find their targets straight away. One of the contrasts between the two is how Evie prefers tactics and strategy, but this can make her slow to act, while Jacob is prone to charging in recklessly, but it gets the job done. If Evie went her way, then the story might've spanned more years than one that would involve the inevitable TimeSkip of previous ''Assassin's Creed'' stories.
!! Fridge Horror
* One of the Templar Hunts has two targets called the Slaughterhouse siblings. But the optional constraint to kill them? "Have the sister kill her brother." And your player characters are exactly brother and sister. Ouch...
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** The Assassins have been known to be fairly enlightened thinkers, centuries ahead of their time in their values and beliefs. Race, gender, class, none of that ever mattered. Remember that Ezio Altair was an atheist in a time where such a thing would have alienated gotten you to all of polite society, killed, and he Ezio was supportive of Leonardo Da Vinci's homosexuality.
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** The Assassins have been known to be fairly enlightened thinkers, centuries ahead of their time in their values and beliefs. All who follow the Creed are allowed in their ranks. Remember that Ezio was an atheist in a time where such a thing would have alienated you to all of polite society, and he was supportive of Leonardo Da Vinci's homosexuality.
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** The Assassins have been known to be fairly enlightened thinkers, centuries ahead of their time in their values and beliefs. All who follow the Creed are allowed in their ranks.Race, gender, class, none of that ever mattered. Remember that Ezio was an atheist in a time where such a thing would have alienated you to all of polite society, and he was supportive of Leonardo Da Vinci's homosexuality.
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** The Assassins have been known to be fairly enlightened thinkers, centuries ahead of their time in their values and beliefs. All who follow the Creed are allowed in their ranks. Remember that Ezio was an atheist in a time where such a thing would have alienated you to all of polite society, and he was supportive of Leonardo Da Vinci's homosexuality.
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* [[spoiler: Queen Victoria knighting the Fryes is a ridiculous thing given they're criminals but becomes more understandable when you note they're knighted in secrecy with only Alberdine as a witness. They're promptly dragooned into being the Queen's hatchetmen against the Templar Order, which the Queen clearly knows of. In all likelihood, she's well aware they're Assassins and this whole thing is a meaningless gesture meant to endear her to them.]]
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* [[spoiler: Queen Victoria knighting the Fryes is a ridiculous thing given they're criminals but becomes more understandable when you note they're knighted in secrecy with only Alberdine Abberline as a witness. They're promptly dragooned into being the Queen's hatchetmen against the Templar Order, which the Queen clearly knows of. In all likelihood, she's well aware they're Assassins and this whole thing is a meaningless gesture meant to endear her to them.]]
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* Queen Victoria knighting the Fryes is a ridiculous thing given they're criminals but becomes more understandable when you note they're knighted in secrecy with only Alberdine as a witness. They're promptly dragooned into being the Queen's hatchetmen against the Templar Order, which the Queen clearly knows of. In all likelihood, she's well aware they're Assassins and this whole thing is a meaningless gesture meant to endear her to them.
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* [[spoiler: Queen Victoria knighting the Fryes is a ridiculous thing given they're criminals but becomes more understandable when you note they're knighted in secrecy with only Alberdine as a witness. They're promptly dragooned into being the Queen's hatchetmen against the Templar Order, which the Queen clearly knows of. In all likelihood, she's well aware they're Assassins and this whole thing is a meaningless gesture meant to endear her to them.]]
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* Queen Victoria knighting the Fryes is a ridiculous thing given they're criminals but becomes more understandable when you note they're knighted in secrecy with only Alberdine as a witness. They're promptly dragooned into being the Queen's hatchetmen against the Templar Order, which the Queen clearly knows of. In all likelihood, she's well aware they're Assassins and this whole thing is a meaningless gesture meant to endear her to them.
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* While its equally possible [[spoiler: Maxwell Roth]]'s farewell kiss was just him spiting Jacob, it's also possible his FoeYay overtures are actual romantic ones. If he's is a gay man in Victorian London, his absolute disregard and hatred for society may have a FreudianExcuse. As a ManlyGay LondonGangster, he may also be overcompensating with TestosteronePoisoning. This would be doubly appropriate given how some RL British gangsters have gone to AxCrazy levels to deal with prejudice.
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* While its equally possible [[spoiler: Maxwell Roth]]'s farewell kiss was just him spiting Jacob, it's also possible his FoeYay overtures are actual romantic ones. If he's is a gay man in Victorian London, his absolute disregard and hatred for society may have a FreudianExcuse. As a ManlyGay LondonGangster, he may also be overcompensating with TestosteronePoisoning. This would be doubly appropriate given [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kray_twins how some RL British British]] gangsters have gone to AxCrazy levels to deal with prejudice.
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* The Frye twins' income to run their gang is questionable given they are presumably not engaging in any sort of behavior to harm the innocent as per the Creed. However, the factories the children they rescue are taken over by the Rooks and the Gang Upgrades include things like investing in pubs, bookmaking, and later legitimate large-scale investments like tea companies. Combine with their hijacking of Blighter merchandise for flat-cash payments, it's very likely the Fryes are extorting money from "guilty" factories and using their money from legitimate investments funded by their crimes to pay their members. We also know the Assassins don't have a problem with prostitution done by adults either.
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* The Frye twins' income to run their gang is questionable given they are presumably not engaging in any sort of behavior to harm the innocent as per the Creed. However, the factories the children they rescue are taken over by the Rooks and the Gang Upgrades include things like investing in pubs, bookmaking, and later legitimate large-scale investments like tea companies. Combine with their hijacking of Blighter merchandise for flat-cash payments, it's very likely the Fryes are extorting money from "guilty" factories and using their money from legitimate investments funded by their crimes to pay their members. We also know the Assassins don't have a problem with prostitution done by consenting adults either.
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* The subject of Ned Wynert's transgender status never comes up in a potential case of PoliticallyCorrectHistory but, bluntly, ''why would either of the Frye twins bring it up?'' Neither of them are HeteronormativeCrusader types and even if they held values which were closer to the time period than liberal Modern Day, it's not exactly something they'd approach. Ned Wynert is their extremely valuable fence and underworld contact who is not someone they'd want to risk insulting questions of.
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* The subject of Ned Wynert's transgender status never comes up in a potential case of PoliticallyCorrectHistory but, bluntly, ''why would either of the Frye twins bring it up?'' Neither of them are HeteronormativeCrusader types and even if they held values which were closer to the time period than liberal Modern Day, it's not exactly something they'd approach. Ned Wynert is their extremely valuable fence and underworld contact who is not someone they'd want to risk asking insulting questions of.
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* The subject of Ned Wynert's transgender status never comes up in a potential case of PoliticallyCorrectHistory but, bluntly, ''why would either of the Frye twins bring it up?'' Neither of them are the HeteronormativeCrusader types and even if they held values which were closer to the time period than liberal Modern Day, it's not exactly something they'd approach. Ned Wynert is their extremely valuable fence and underworld contact who is not someone they'd want to risk insulting questions of.
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* The subject of Ned Wynert's transgender status never comes up in a potential case of PoliticallyCorrectHistory but, bluntly, ''why would either of the Frye twins bring it up?'' Neither of them are the HeteronormativeCrusader types and even if they held values which were closer to the time period than liberal Modern Day, it's not exactly something they'd approach. Ned Wynert is their extremely valuable fence and underworld contact who is not someone they'd want to risk insulting questions of.
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* The subject of Ned Wynert's transgender status never comes up in a potential case of PoliticallyCorrectHistory but, bluntly, ''why would either of the Frye twins bring it up?'' Neither of them are the HeteronormativeCrusader types and even if they held values which were closer to the time period than liberal Modern Day, it's not exactly something they'd approach. Ned Wynert is their extremely valuable fence and underworld contact who is not someone they want to ask insulting questions of.
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* The subject of Ned Wynert's transgender status never comes up in a potential case of PoliticallyCorrectHistory but, bluntly, ''why would either of the Frye twins bring it up?'' Neither of them are the HeteronormativeCrusader types and even if they held values which were closer to the time period than liberal Modern Day, it's not exactly something they'd approach. Ned Wynert is their extremely valuable fence and underworld contact who is not someone they they'd want to ask risk insulting questions of.
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* The subject of Ned Wynert's transgender status never comes up in a potential case of PoliticallyCorrectHistory but, bluntly, ''why would either of the Frye twins bring it up?'' Neither of them are the HeteronormativeCrusader types and even if they held values which were closer to the time period than liberal Modern Day, it's not exactly something they'd approach. Ned Wynert is their extremely valuable fence and underworld contact who is not someone they want to ask insulting questions of.
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* Lucy Thorne's Steampunk cosplayer outfit looks ridiculous but, of course, as a woman who does the same sort of stuff Evie does, it wouldn't be practical to wear a dress. She makes a practical outfit compromise to look like a woman's dress combined with functional pants. It's a bizarre fashion statement but a deliberate one. At least one permitted for a Templar assassin.
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* Lucy Thorne's Steampunk cosplayer outfit looks ridiculous but, of course, as a woman who does the same sort of stuff Evie does, it wouldn't be practical to wear a dress. She makes a practical outfit compromise to look like a woman's dress combined with functional pants. It's a bizarre fashion statement but a deliberate one. At least one permitted for a Templar assassin.
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* The Disraelis would never associate with low commoners as well as criminals like the Fryes. Except, Jacob meets the family by saving their lives from the Blighters. Likewise, he's only hired by Mary Anne as a guide because he 'looks' like a commoner of a 'rougher sort.' They only agree to meet with the Fryes on their train and that's a mobile mansion by Sequence 9. Mary Anne even says there's no way for the Fryes to ever be invited to Buckingham Palace.
* Lucy Thorne's Steampunk cosplayer outfit looks ridiculous but, of course, as a woman who does the same sort of stuff Evie does, it wouldn't be practical to wear a dress. She makes a practical outfit compromise to look like a woman's dress combined with functional pants. It's a bizarre fashion statement but a deliberate one. At least one permitted for a Templar assassin.
* While its equally possible [[spoiler: Maxwell Roth]]'s farewell kiss was just him spiting Jacob, it's also possible his FoeYay overtures are actual romantic ones. If he's is a gay man in Victorian London, his absolute disregard and hatred for society may have a FreudianExcuse. As a ManlyGay LondonGangster, he may also be overcompensating with TestosteronePoisoning. This would be doubly appropriate given how some RL British gangsters have gone to AxCrazy levels to deal with prejudice.
* Henry's love of Evie Frye is interesting as while it would be incredibly difficult as an interracial couple in the time period (albeit not impossible even then), they're actually quite appropriate for each other in other ways. The Assassin order has a history of intermarrying with its members and as a Master Assassin, albeit a clumsy one, Henry is an ideal choice in some ways.
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* The Disraelis would never associate with low commoners as well as criminals like the Fryes. Except, Jacob meets the family by saving their lives from the Blighters. Likewise, he's only hired by Mary Anne as a guide because he 'looks' like a commoner of a 'rougher sort.' They only agree to meet with the Fryes on their train and that's a mobile mansion by Sequence 9. Mary Anne even says there's no way for the Fryes to ever be invited to Buckingham Palace.
* Lucy Thorne's Steampunk cosplayer outfit looks ridiculous but, of course, as a woman who does the same sort of stuff Evie does, it wouldn't be practical to wear a dress. She makes a practical outfit compromise to look like a woman's dress combined with functional pants. It's a bizarre fashion statement but a deliberate one. At least one permitted for a Templar assassin.
* While its equally possible [[spoiler: Maxwell Roth]]'s farewell kiss was just him spiting Jacob, it's also possible his FoeYay overtures are actual romantic ones. If he's is a gay man in Victorian London, his absolute disregard and hatred for society may have a FreudianExcuse. As a ManlyGay LondonGangster, he may also be overcompensating with TestosteronePoisoning. This would be doubly appropriate given how some RL British gangsters have gone to AxCrazy levels to deal with prejudice.
* Henry's love of Evie Frye is interesting as while it would be incredibly difficult as an interracial couple in the time period (albeit not impossible even then), they're actually quite appropriate for each other in other ways. The Assassin order has a history of intermarrying with its members and as a Master Assassin, albeit a clumsy one, Henry is an ideal choice in some ways.
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