History FreudianExcuse / Webcomics

** Even if it's questionable whether it's true or not, one of Florida Man's possible backstories make it seem like a plausible reason why the insane immortal became such [[TheHedonist a hedonist]] [[spoiler:and a DeathSeeker]]. He was once Ponce de Leon, a Spanish explorer looking for the Fountain of Youth, [[ImmortalitySeeker drink from it's waters and gain immortality]]. However, he brought along his wife, who was stricken by illness and was growing steadily worse as the quest went on. When he finally found the fountain, he tried desperately to get her to drink from it under the hope it would cure her, but she had already passed on, leaving him both forever young and alone.

** [[AmoralAttorney Venus]] [[CallBack was the unforunate victim]] [[http://ennuigo.thecomicseries.com/comics/6/ of getting whale cum splashed on her face]] [[http://ennuigo.thecomicseries.com/comics/596/ by Izzy]]. The exposure caused an extreme allergic reaction, leaving her face horribly scarred and her left eye blinded. She wanted to advance her political career and become a senator (maybe even become president as well), but the incident and resulting fallout caused her prospects to dwindle, leaving her stuck as a DA. The worse part of that for her? Izzy never knew nor bothered to apologize for it, leaving Venus with a burning hatred and a desire to ruin ''her'' life like she ruined hers.

* ''Webcomic/TheBedfellows'' strip where [[UnsympatheticComedyProtagonist Sheen]] starts seeing a shrink reveals that his bad attitude can be traced back to when he was heckled out of a kindergarten play. The hecklers? [[spoiler: His parents!]]

** When [[SeadogPegleg Captain]] [[FatBastard Orca]] was younger, he was shipwrecked on a deserted island after a terrible storm. He was also the sole survivor of the wreck as his father, who was the captain, and the rest of the crew had died with their bodies floating in front of Orca. To make matters worse, his leg was caught in an anchor. However, after spending God knows how long trapped, salvation came when he came upon the Jellyfish Girl. [[HopeSpot Or so he thought]]. Due to having no brain, she could not understand his pleas for help. [[FromBadToWorse And then she proceeded to]] [[IAmAHumanitarian eat the corpses of the crew]] (''including his father'') while Orca was [[ForcedToWatch forced to watch]]...for '''15 days!''' Then, when it looked like she was coming after him next, Orca [[AnArmAndALeg chopped off his own left leg]]. After going through such an ordeal, it's no wonder Orca wants to kill the Jellyfish Girl [[TheUnfettered through any means necessary]].

* ''Webcomic/EnnuiGo'': With the exceptions of [[HarmlessVillain Doctor]] [[DitzyGenius Bald]], [[SerialKiller As]][[MisanthropeSupreme her]] and [[ChaosIsEvil Florida]] [[GreaterScopeVillain Man]] [[MultipleChoicePast to a lesser extent]], [[Characters/EnnuiGoEnemies most of Izzy's foes]] have a sympathetic, tragic backstory that helped form them into the people they are today.

* PlayedForLaughs in ''Webcomic/AxeCop'' -- a comic where bad guys are usually {{Card Carrying Villain}}s doing it ForTheEvulz -- in the story "The Songster". The Torture Master is first introduced as a total villain, but then the Songster starts singing about his tortured past... which contains incidents that happen to everyone. (At most he might have been a ButtMonkey.) So it was things like unrequited love in college and losing in tic-tac-toe that made the Torture Master start tormenting people to death by enacting their worst fears. Then things get completely out of hand as the Songster's lyrics about how "that's how a monster is made" turn literal, and he uses his song to turn the Torture Master's past into the ultimate monster: [[spoiler:a mouse that sends you to Mars when you look at it]].\\

* ''Webcomic/KillSixBillionDemons'': Three of [[BigBadEnsemble the Seven]] can trace their life philosophies and their warped views of life, [[FromNobodyToNightmare which later drove them to become tyrannical]] {{God Emperor}}s, to events that explicitly took place during their childhoods. According to WordOfGod Jadis came from an abusive household as well, but her exact backstory (and whether it drove her actions at all) has yet to be revealed.

* ''Webcomic/EnnuiGo'': With the exceptions of Doctor Bald, Asher and Florida Man [[MultipleChoicePast to a lesser extent]], [[Characters/EnnuiGoEnemies most of Izzy's foes]] have a sympathetic, tragic backstory that helped form them into the people they are today.
** Venus [[CallBack was the unforunate victim]] [[http://ennuigo.thecomicseries.com/comics/6/ of getting whale cum splashed on her face]] [[http://ennuigo.thecomicseries.com/comics/596/ by Izzy]]. The exposure caused an extreme allergic reaction, leaving her face horribly scarred and her left eye blinded. She wanted to advance her political career and become a senator (maybe even become president as well), but the incident and resulting fallout caused her prospects to dwindle, leaving her stuck as a DA. The worse part of that for her? Izzy never knew nor bothered to apologize for it, leaving Venus with a burning hatred and a desire to ruin ''her'' life like she ruined hers.

** When Captain Orca was younger, he was shipwrecked on a deserted island after a terrible storm. He was also the sole survivor of the wreck as his father, who was the captain, and the rest of the crew had died with their bodies floating in front of Orca. To make matters worse, his leg was caught in an anchor. However, after spending God knows how long trapped, salvation came when he came upon the Jellyfish Girl. [[HopeSpot Or so he thought]]. Due to having no brain, she could not understand his pleas for help. [[FromBadToWorse And then she proceeded to]] [[IAmAHumanitarian eat the corpses of the crew]] (''including his father'') while Orca was forced to watch...for '''15 days!''' Then, when it looked like she was coming after him next, Orca [[AnArmAndALeg chopped off his own left leg]]. After going through such an ordeal, it's no wonder Orca wants to kill the Jellyfish Girl through any means necessary.

** When Captain Orca was younger, he was shipwrecked on a deserted island after a terrible storm. He was also the sole survivor of the wreck as his father, who was the captain and the rest of the crew had died, their bodies floating in front of Orca. To make matters worse, his leg was caught in an anchor. However, after spending God knows how long trapped, salvation came when he came upon the Jellyfish Girl. [[HopeSpot Or so he thought]]. Due to having no brain, she could not understand his pleas for help. [[FromBadToWorse And then she proceeded to]] [[IAmAHumanitarian eat the corpses of the crew]] (''including his father'') while Orca was forced to watch...for '''15 days!''' Then, when it looked like she was coming after him next, Orca [[AnArmAndALeg chopped off his own left leg]]. After going through such an ordeal, it's no wonder Orca wants to kill the Jellyfish Girl through any means necessary.

*** There's also his first mate Ally, who is the chimera child of an alligator fishgirl. Due to being born with an inability to breathe water (hence risking death from drowning if she hatched from her roe), her mother was forced to leave her behind in the surface world to be raised by swamp alligator since she herself would die of dehydration if she stayed on land for too long. She spent many years alone in the swamps until Orca found her.

---> *''[[WhamShot tears off her bandages, revealing her scarred face]]''* [[WhamLine WHO EVER HEARD OF SOMEONE BEING ALLERGIC TO WHALE CUM?!]]

** Even if it's questionable whether it's true or not, one of Florida Man's possible backstories make it seem like a plausible reason why the insane immortal became such [[TheHedonist a hedonist]] [[spoiler:and a DeathSeeker]]. He was once Ponce de Leon, a Spanish explorer looking for the Fountain of Youth, [[ImmortalitySeeker drink from it's waters to gain immortality]]. However, he brought along his wife, who was stricken by illness and was growing steadily worse as the quest went on. When he finally found the fountain, he tried desperately to get her to drink from it under the hope it would cure her, but she had already passed on, leaving him both forever young and alone.

** Even if it's questionable whether it's true or not, one of Florida Man's possible backstories make it seem like a plausible reason why the insane immortal became such [[TheHedonist a hedonist]] [[spoiler:and a DeathSeeker]]. He was once Ponce de Leon, a Spanish explorer looking for the Fountain of Youth, [[ImmortalitySeeker drink from it's waters to gain immortality]]. However, he brought along his wife, who was stricken by illness and was growing steadily worse as the quest went on. When he finally found the fountain, he tried desperately to get her to drink from it under the hope it would cure her, but she had already died, leaving him both forever young and alone.

* In ''Webcomic/{{Fans}}'', Alisin Oberf, during her dark days when she was dying of a [[IncurableCoughOfDeath rare disease]], was, beneath her PerkyGoth [[StepfordSmiler exterior]], a self-loathing mess, who took pleasure in heavy bondage and sadism. Years later, after she was cured of the disease, but not her negative self-image, one of her "partners", Keith Feddyg, emerged as Alisin's greatest nemesis, using her own self-loathing to force her to become his sex slave and blaming her for his having become a psycho. Subsequent evidence indicates that he was [[{{Wangst}} already]] [[DepravedBisexual there]] before Aly ever showed up.
** Also, Alisin killed Robert's goldfish, which may or may not have something to do with the latter's eventual world dominating ambitions.

** Even if it's questionable whether it's true or not, one of Florida Man's possible backstories make it seem like a plausible reason why the insane immortal became such [[TheHedonist a hedonist]] [[spoiler:and a DeathSeeker]]. He was once Ponce de Leon, a Spanish explorer looking for the Fountain of Youth and [[ImmortalitySeeker drink from it's waters to gain immortality]]. However, he brought along his wife, who was stricken by illness and was growing steadily worse as the quest went on. When he finally found the fountain, he tried desperately to get her to drink from it under the hope it would cure her, but she had already died, leaving him both forever young and alone.

* ''Webcomic/SweetHome'':

* PlayedForLaughs in ''Webcomic/AxeCop'' -- a comic where bad guys are usually {{Card Carrying Villain}}s doing it ForTheEvulz -- in the story "The Songster". The Torture Master is first introduced as a total villain, but then the Songster starts singing about his tortured past... which contains incidents that happen to everyone. (At most he might have been a ButtMonkey.) So it was things like unrequited love in college and losing in tic-tac-toe that made the Torture Master start tormenting people to death by enacting their worst fears. Then things get completely out of hand as the Songster's lyrics about how "that's how a monster is made" turn literal, and he uses his song to turn the Torture Master's past into the ultimate monster: [[spoiler: a mouse that sends you to Mars when you look at it]].\\
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* The titular Raya of ''[[https://tapas.io/episode/1177308 Raya the Genie]]'' is implied to be a JerkassGenie due to many years of listening to stupid wishes, many of which were sexual in nature. One strip reveals that the first wish she ever received was to see her naked and that she knew at the time it wouldn't be the first time.

** England thinks that America's tendency toward [[UpToEleven big, loud and extravagant]] and his being predisposed to making everything a "big ass deal" stems from [[TheGreatDepression when he was still hungry]].

** Gary's virginity and sexual dysfunction are allegedly a result of his severely repressive ultra-religious parents, plus cockteasing girls in his teen years. (And he lives with two women who engage in a lot of sexual teasing, albeit mostly by accident, and lusts after a girl with penis-phobia. Um...) However, this has never been mentioned again since the [[EarlyInstallmentWeirdness early strips]] in which Gary told the story, and the writers may not consider it very important; Gary's problems don't need that much explanation -- he's just a hopeless {{geek}}, with his geekiness {{turned up to eleven}}. And when his mother 'phones to wish him a happy birthday, she sounds nice enough.

* Vriska from ''{{Webcomic/Homestuck}}'' is partially a [[MemeticMutation HUGE BITCH BLUH BLUH]] because her guardian was a giant spider to whom she had to regularly feed other young trolls or be eaten herself.
** Eridan was raised in a society that encouraged him to be [[AxCrazy murderously violent]], and he belongs to nearly the most violent [[FantasticRacism bloodcaste]] in the hemospectrum. ([[BadGuysDoTheDirtyWork He also habitually murdered countless lusii in order to prevent Feferi from having to do it herself]].) [[SarcasmMode Curiously enough,]] most trolls refuse to take this as an excuse for his attempts at killing all landwellers, or [[spoiler: his FreakOut in which he [[FaceHeelTurn murders Sollux, Feferi and Kanaya]].]]

* In ''Webcomic/TheInexplicableAdventuresOfBob'', [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds Galatea]] had a ''horrible'' childhood. Even if it did [[YoungerThanTheyLook only last a month.]]
* ''Webcomic/GirlGenius'': As the novels explain, Othar's hometown was often ravaged by the mad inventions of the local Spark lords. Then he started to go on his adventures and was proclaimed a hero. Eventually he picked up a Geister that had been abandoned by her sisterhood in the sewers of Paris, with whom he fell in love and got married. They retired to an island for decades and he left only after she passed away from natural causes, to find [[spoiler:Europa burned to ashes and everyone and everything was dead save an aged Tarvek. Tarvek managed to send him back to try and save everything, but wasn't able to provide Othar any details because Othar attacked him in a paranoid rage. Othar knows that all of Europa is doomed without his help, but he doesn't know what needs to change. All he knows is that sparks will cause the BadFuture, not why or how, so he kills all sparks he comes across on the chance that they have something to do with causing Europa's destruction either directly or by being a SpannerInTheWorks. The problem is that he's so insane that he can't sort out who is aiding the Other directly or indirectly.]]

* Joel Calley from ''Webcomic/{{Concession}}'' has about three Freudian Excuses: his father left their company to his older brother Julian, his sister Miranda was killed by Julian when they were young, and their parents blamed Joel for the murder and put him in an asylum where he was sexually abused by a doctor. There have also been a couple of throwaway gags which, if taken too seriously, could imply that his mother resents him for not being a girl. If there was a trope for Freudian Sue, Joel would probably be the poster boy. [[spoiler:However, much of, if not all of this is ultimately subverted when it's later revealed that Miranda actually died in her sleep and that demonic Miranda encouraged Joel to do bad things so she could feed on their suffering. It must be noted Joel ''willingly helped her'' and was already sadistic. When confronted about this, Joel immediately notes that his and Miranda's real motives are to gain power. In the end, Joel's only real excuse for his actions is that he's a goddamn psychopath.]]
* In ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'':
** TokenEvilTeammate Belkar spins a sob story about being mocked as a child and becoming an adventurer to get strong enough to take revenge. However, he only says this to get free experience points for proper role-playing.
** Played straight with Redcloak, who [[spoiler:lost his village to the crusading of the Sapphire Guard as a child]].
** Might also count for Nale, Elan's evil twin [[spoiler: and TheUnfavorite to their father, General Tarquin]]. He's evil, but incompetent because of [[SmallNameBigEgo ego]]. What he wants nothing more is to be his own man, and step out of his father's shadow and manipulation. [[spoiler: Tarquin agrees to this, since it was the only thing stopping him from avenging Malack.]]
** Subverted in Start of Darkness with [[spoiler: Xykon. The opening scene has a child who will grow up to be Xykon crying over his recently deceased dog, Barky. He spontaneously reanimates it as a zombie. When the Barky attacks a bird and eats its brain, child!Xykon decides it's awesome and runs off to find more small animals for Barky to savage. Apparently, having a savage, gory murder machine is a lot more fun that whatever kind of dog Barky was in life.]]
* [[http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_776.php Kria imagines this occurring]] as a result of her poor parenting in one ''Webcomic/DanAndMabsFurryAdventures'' strip. Being a demon, she seems more worried about her daughter hating her than the whole "razing dozens of cities and posing on a mountain of skulls" bit.

* Vriska from ''{{Webcomic/Homestuck}}'' is partially a [[MemeticMutation HUGE BITCH BLUH BLUH]] because her guardian was a giant spider to whom she had to regularly feed other young trolls or be eaten herself.
** Eridan was raised in a society that encouraged him to be [[AxCrazy murderously violent]], and he belongs to nearly the most violent [[FantasticRacism bloodcaste]] in the hemospectrum. ([[BadGuysDoTheDirtyWork He also habitually murdered countless lusii in order to prevent Feferi from having to do it herself]].) [[SarcasmMode Curiously enough,]] most trolls refuse to take this as an excuse for his attempts at killing all landwellers, or [[spoiler: his FreakOut in which he [[FaceHeelTurn murders Sollux, Feferi and Kanaya]].]]
* ''Webcomic/{{Drowtales}}'': Ariel, the [[NoAntagonist 'main character']] of the story. The first 10 years of life were dominated by an sociopathic stepmother who envied her own child. And then forced by her high-standards grandmother to murder some punk who tried to kill her. And finally realizing that living up to her grandmother's standards caused her to fail in protecting her best friend. By the time she's done with all that, she lashes out at one of her friends and ends up killing an innocent in the crossfire. Once this happens she has a MyGodWhatHaveIDone realization and moves off the VillainProtagonist path to a more heroic one.
** Also claimed by Snadhya'rune, who is effectively the BigBad, who says that the pressure her mother the Empress put on her and the death/posession of her "twin" Khaless made her crack and eventually murder her own mother. It's suggested in story this is bullshit and she's actually a straight up sociopath, though.
** Snadhya's daughter Kalki, on the other hand, may have a genuine one since her mother passed her off to servants and never showed her affection, making Kalki a desperate AttentionWhore who feared she would be replaced, fears that were founded when Snadhya killed her in cold blood saying she was nothing but a tool.
%%* In ''Webcomic/FluffyBunnyDomination'', this is Fluffy's explanation for [[http://www.fluffyart.com/2011/06/13/freudian-excuse/ Pony Play]].
* Jamie from ''Webcomic/KhaosKomix'' is a foul-mouthed homophobe who bullies Alex for supposedly being gay and disowns his best friends after they come out to him as a gay couple. Then you learn that [[spoiler:he was sexually abused as a child and has a mother who ''doused him in scalding water'' when she caught him PlayingDoctor with another boy which has led to him having massive issues about sex and sexuality]] and you wonder why he isn't even ''more'' messed up. However, he actually criticizes the use of this trope by stating that he doesn't believe that his traumatic past excuses his actions and that he still has to work hard to redeem himself.
* In ''Webcomic/{{Freefall}}'', Edge spent his formative years in a warehouse surrounded by unintelligent machinery. Robots using Dr. Bowman's ArtificialIntelligence architecture, like humans, need proper socialization, and he's turned out with an ItsAllAboutMe attitude and the complete conviction that he's always the smartest (and most important) person about.
* ''Webcomic/StickyDillyBuns'' has Ruby, who was traumatized at the age of about 14 when she discovered that her sister Amber was a porn actress - by being exposed to one of Amber's videos at a teenage party. Okay, that involved her sister rather than her parents - but the problem seems to have been compounded by having to keep Amber's secret from their parents for the next several years. Fortunately, her "villainy" is limited to a fear of men and a petulant attitude towards Amber, but it makes her hard for Amber to live with.
* ''Webcomic/TheBedfellows'' strip where [[UnsympatheticComedyProtagonist Sheen]] starts seeing a shrink reveals that his bad attitude can be traced back to when he was heckled out of a kindergarten play. The hecklers? [[spoiler: His parents!]]
* PlayedForLaughs in ''Webcomic/AxeCop'' -- a comic where bad guys are usually {{Card Carrying Villain}}s doing it ForTheEvulz -- in the story "The Songster". The Torture Master is first introduced as a total villain, but then the Songster starts singing about his tortured past... which contains incidents that happen to everyone. (At most he might have been a ButtMonkey.) So it was things like unrequited love in college and losing in tic-tac-toe that made the Torture Master start tormenting people to death by enacting their worst fears. Then things get completely out of hand as the Songster's lyrics about how "that's how a monster is made" turn literal, and he uses his song to turn the Torture Master's past into the ultimate monster: [[spoiler: a mouse that sends you to Mars when you look at it]].\\
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In the same story, the Songster became a villain because he thought that the heroes had [[YouKilledMyFather killed his parents]]... but when he finds out it wasn't true, he decides to continue being a bad guy anyway because [[EvilFeelsGood he kind of likes it]].
* ''Webcomic/LeifAndThorn'' starts with Thorn dead-set against getting into a relationship while in the military, because his mothers had marriage problems, and he blamed it on one mom's travel-heavy career. Eventually [[http://leifandthorn.com/comic/summer-sunshine-4884/ he accepts that he was using this as an excuse]] to let her off the hook for [[UsefulNotes/BipolarDisorder other issues]].
* ''Webcomic/ImTheGrimReaper'': Ana, the woman who killed her son, is given one: she had parents that squashed her unconventional dreams of becoming a writer, and pressured her into getting an ordinary life by marrying an ordinary man, who abandoned her shortly after she had their son. When her son became terminally ill and she didn’t have the funds to get medicine, she killed him. However, it is presented as less of an excuse, and more of an explanation, especially since while Scarlet feels sorry for her, Chase has no sympathy, saying there's many things she could've done to get money before resorting to murder.

* ''Webcomic/HetaliaAxisPowers'':
** Russia of was a [[UsedToBeASweetKid timid, sweet-tempered child]] who [[IJustWantToHaveFriends just wanted to make friends]]...but a combination of being relentlessly bullied by the nations around him and his turbulent history resulted in a SanitySlippage that turned him into a PsychopathicManchild.
** Latvia being a NervousWreck and ProneToTears is said to be the result of him experiencing [[TheChewToy many unfortunate events in life]] at a young age.
** Belgium muses at one point that her older brother Netherlands' [[NonIdleRich strict, penny-pinching ways]] are likely the result of his [[PerpetualPoverty poverty]] as a young nation, and the fact that she once showed him the [[ChildProdigy wealth and splendor that she amassed]] as a child.
** England thinks that America's tendency toward [[UpToEleven big, loud and extravagant]] and his being predisposed to making everything a "big ass deal" stems from [[TheGreatDepression when he was still hungry]].
** [[GentleGiant Sweden]] being TheStoic and TheQuietOne is said to be the result of him being born in a cold area.
* ''Webcomic/OnePunchMan'': As a child, Garou was bullied and forced to play the monster to please the popular kids, which made him empathize with monsters who were hated by everyone and always got defeated by the hero. This belief gradually took an extreme turn and made him want to become a monster just to defeat the ever popular heroes.
* ''Webcomic/KillSixBillionDemons'': Three of [[BigBadEnsemble the Seven]] can trace their life philosophies and their warped views of life, [[FromNobodyToNightmare which later drove them to become tyrannical]] {{God Emperor}}s, to events that explicitly took place during their childhoods. According to WordOfGod Jadis came from an abusive household as well, but her exact backstory (and whether it drove her actions at all) has yet to be revealed.
** [[PlanetLooters Mottom]] was a peasant until [[AndNowYouMustMarryMe she was abducted and forcibly wed to]] the GodEmperor Hastet Om while still in her pre-teens (with all the unpleasant implications present). It led her to becoming TheFatalist and having a highly warped view on femininity, causing her to commit planet-destroying atrocities [[spoiler:[[PoweredByAForsakenChild and feed the blood of virgins to her husband's corpse to maintain her youth]]]] while insisting she has no choice in her actions.
** [[MyopicConqueror Incubus]] was rendered an orphaned war refugee by the [[GreatOffScreenWar Universal War]], forcing him to live on the street and fight for his life until he was taken into the tutelage of a MasterSwordsman who made him the terror he is today. Incubus still believes in MightMakesRight and MurderIsTheBestSolution, and that [[SocialDarwinist existence is a battle of all against all until the strongest being in existence kills their way to the apex of being]].
** [[OmnicidalManiac Jagganoth]] was a ChildSoldier drafted into a mercenary outfit called the Corpse Legion at a young age after they destroyed his hometown and killed his family. He was subjected to intense {{Dehumanization}} of the self, to the point that he lost his original name and became only a "Dead Man" fit for killing; by the time the Universal War wound down he had become a ShellShockedVeteran. Lacking any other meaning in life without war, he became convinced by an angel that the best thing to do was to save anyone else from his suffering by annihilating the multiverse.

* In ''Webcomic/{{Freefall}}'', Edge spent his formative years in a warehouse surrounded by unintelligent machinery. Robots using Dr. Bowman's {{AI}} architecture, like humans, need proper socialization, and he's turned out with an ItsAllAboutMe attitude and the complete conviction that he's always the smartest (and most important) person about.

* PlayedForLaughs in ''WebComic/AxeCop'' -- a comic where bad guys are usually {{Card Carrying Villain}}s doing it ForTheEvulz -- in the story "The Songster". The Torture Master is first introduced as a total villain, but then the Songster starts singing about his tortured past... which contains incidents that happen to everyone. (At most he might have been a ButtMonkey.) So it was things like unrequited love in college and losing in tic-tac-toe that made the Torture Master start tormenting people to death by enacting their worst fears. Then things get completely out of hand as the Songster's lyrics about how "that's how a monster is made" turn literal, and he uses his song to turn the Torture Master's past into the ultimate monster: [[spoiler: a mouse that sends you to Mars when you look at it]].\\

** [[PlanetLooter Mottom]] was the daughter of a peasant until [[AndNowYouMustMarryMe she was abducted and forcibly wed to]] the GodEmperor Hastet Om at what is implied to have been in her pre-teens. It led her to becoming TheFatalist and having a highly warped view on femininity, causing her to commit planet-destroying atrocities [[spoiler:[[PoweredByAForsakenChild and feed the blood of virgins to her husband's corpse to maintain her youth]]]] while insisting she has no choice in her actions.

* [[FreudianExcuse Flik]]'s whole motivation. Since we see the problem before we see its results, it's rather differently played than normal.