History FreudianExcuse / Film

21st Jul '17 12:33:57 PM Morgenthaler
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* ''Film/KnightMoves'' is a bit of a weird example in that it doesn't seem to come to a decision how it wants to play this. Apparently, the SerialKiller's descent into darkness is supposed to be witnessing [[DrivenToSuicide his mother's violent suicide]] following his father's departure when he was just a boy. The problem is that the kid actor they got emoted so little in this scene that [[TroublingUnchildlikeBehavior he just seems bored and/or fascinated by it]]. He doesn't bring it up again until the climax as part of his MotiveRant for wanting revenge on the hero (who was ''very'' inadvertently responsible for the killer's parents both leaving him), who chews him out about it and shouts out that [[ShutUpHannibal it doesn't excuse his horrible crimes]], including attempting to kill the hero's young daughter. Then the female lead, who's also a psychiatrist-in-training, walks in and having recognized him as one of her boss's patients, tries to talk him out of it while [[SympathyForTheDevil sympathizing with the killer]] for his past (she fails and he gets shot to death by aforementioned hero), so supposedly we're meant to see him as a tragic villain after all?

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* ''Film/KnightMoves'' is a bit of a weird example in that it doesn't seem to come to a decision how it wants to play this. Apparently, the SerialKiller's descent into darkness is supposed to be witnessing [[DrivenToSuicide his mother's violent suicide]] following his father's departure when he was just a boy. The problem is that the kid actor they got emoted so little in this scene that [[TroublingUnchildlikeBehavior he just seems bored and/or fascinated by it]]. it]], giving the impression that he was already an EnfantTerrible. He doesn't bring it up again until the climax as part of his MotiveRant for wanting revenge on the hero (who was ''very'' inadvertently responsible for the killer's parents both leaving him), who chews him out about it and shouts out that him). However, the hero [[ShutUpHannibal chews the killer out about his excuse]] and points out that it doesn't excuse justify his horrible crimes]], crimes, including attempting to kill the hero's young daughter. Then the female lead, who's also a psychiatrist-in-training, walks in and having recognized him the killer as one of her boss's patients, tries to talk him out of it while [[SympathyForTheDevil sympathizing with the killer]] him]] for his past (she fails and he gets shot to death by aforementioned hero), so supposedly we're meant to see him as a tragic villain after all?
21st Jul '17 12:28:52 PM Morgenthaler
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* ''Film/KnightMoves'' is a bit of a weird example in that it doesn't seem to come to a decision how it wants to play this. Apparently, the SerialKiller's descent into darkness is supposed to be witnessing [[DrivenToSuicide his mother's violent suicide]] following his father's departure when he was just a boy. The problem is that the kid actor they got emoted so little in this scene that [[TroublingUnchildlikeBehavior he just seems bored and or fascinated by it]]. He doesn't bring it up again until the climax as part of his MotiveRant for wanting revenge on the hero (who was ''very'' inadvertently responsible for the killer's parents both leaving him), who chews him out about it and shouts out that [[ShutUpHannibal it doesn't excuse his horrible crimes]], including attempting to kill the hero's young daughter. Then the female lead, who's also a psychiatrist-in-training, walks in and having recognized him as one of her boss's patients, tries to talk him out of it while [[SympathyForTheDevil sympathizing with the killer]] for his past (she fails and he gets shot to death by aforementioned hero), so supposedly we're meant to see him as a tragic villain after all?

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* ''Film/KnightMoves'' is a bit of a weird example in that it doesn't seem to come to a decision how it wants to play this. Apparently, the SerialKiller's descent into darkness is supposed to be witnessing [[DrivenToSuicide his mother's violent suicide]] following his father's departure when he was just a boy. The problem is that the kid actor they got emoted so little in this scene that [[TroublingUnchildlikeBehavior he just seems bored and or and/or fascinated by it]]. He doesn't bring it up again until the climax as part of his MotiveRant for wanting revenge on the hero (who was ''very'' inadvertently responsible for the killer's parents both leaving him), who chews him out about it and shouts out that [[ShutUpHannibal it doesn't excuse his horrible crimes]], including attempting to kill the hero's young daughter. Then the female lead, who's also a psychiatrist-in-training, walks in and having recognized him as one of her boss's patients, tries to talk him out of it while [[SympathyForTheDevil sympathizing with the killer]] for his past (she fails and he gets shot to death by aforementioned hero), so supposedly we're meant to see him as a tragic villain after all?
21st Jul '17 10:36:06 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''Film/{{Replicant}}'': When Edward Garrote was a child, his mother murdered his father, then locked him a closet and set the house on fire-he survived because it started to rain. Since then he murders women that he perceives as "bad mothers" and frequently taunts his now immobile elderly mother about it.

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* ''Film/{{Replicant}}'': When Edward Garrote was a child, his mother murdered his father, then locked him in a closet and set the house on fire-he fire--he survived because it started to rain. Since then he murders women that he perceives as "bad mothers" and frequently taunts his now immobile elderly mother about it.
8th Jul '17 9:59:26 AM Morgenthaler
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* As revealed in ''Film/BatmanVSupermanDawnOfJustice'', the whole worldview of Comicbook/LexLuthor in the ''DCExtendedUniverse'' is due to his upbringing. Lex's father, Alexander Luthor Snr., was an [[AbusiveParents abusive jerk]], who [[VillainWithGoodPublicity hid behind the facade]] of a good family man. Luthor Senior used his son as a business ploy (claiming he named his company after Lex and encouraging investors to "write checks for Lex") while behind closed doors he beat (and possibly did worse to) Lex. Unsuprisingly, this upbringing did a number on Lex's psyche, which only gets worse when Comicbook/{{Superman}} appears, as Lex hates Superman, partly becase Superman challenges Lex's beliefs that anyone with power cannot truly be selfless and innocent, and partly due to anger that there was no-one to save ''him'' when he was a child.

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* As revealed in ''Film/BatmanVSupermanDawnOfJustice'', the whole worldview of Comicbook/LexLuthor in the ''DCExtendedUniverse'' is due to his upbringing. Lex's father, Alexander Luthor Snr., was an [[AbusiveParents abusive jerk]], who [[VillainWithGoodPublicity hid behind the facade]] of a good family man. Luthor Senior used his son as a business ploy (claiming he named his company after Lex and encouraging investors to "write checks for Lex") while behind closed doors he beat (and possibly did worse to) Lex. Unsuprisingly, this upbringing did a number on Lex's psyche, which only gets worse when Comicbook/{{Superman}} appears, as Lex hates Superman, partly becase because Superman challenges Lex's beliefs that anyone with power cannot truly be selfless and innocent, and partly due to anger that there was no-one to save ''him'' when he was a child.
8th Jul '17 9:55:59 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''Film/KnightMoves'' is a bit of a weird example in that it doesn't seem to come to a decision how it wants to play this. Apparently, the SerialKiller's descent into darkness is supposed to be witnessing [[DrivenToSuicide his mother's violent suicide]] following his father's departure when he was just a boy. The problem is that the kid actor they got emoted so little in this scene that [[TroublingUnchildlikeBehavior he just seems bored and or fascinated by it]]. He doesn't bring it up again until the climax as part of his MotiveRant for wanting revenge on the hero (who was ''very'' inadvertently responsible for the killer's parents both leaving him), who chews him out about it and shouts out that [[ShutUpHannibal it doesn't excuse his horrible crimes]], including attempting to kill the hero's young daughter. Then the female lead, who's also a psychiatrist-in-training, walks in and having recognized him as one of her boss's patients, tries to talk him out of it while [[SympathyForTheDevil sympathizing with the killer]] for his past (she fails and he gets shot to death by aforementioned hero), so supposedly we're meant to see him as a tragic villain after all?
30th Jun '17 4:03:12 AM jormis29
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* In ''WhereTheSidewalkEnds'', Mike is a brutal cop (he beats up his suspects and has an undying hatred of them) because he's haunted by his father's reputation as a criminal.

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* In ''WhereTheSidewalkEnds'', ''Film/WhereTheSidewalkEnds'', Mike is a brutal cop (he beats up his suspects and has an undying hatred of them) because he's haunted by his father's reputation as a criminal.
28th Jun '17 7:24:30 PM LongTallShorty64
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* In ''WhereTheSidewalkEnds'', Mike is a brutal cop (he beats up his suspects and has an undying hatred of them) because he's haunted by his father's reputation as a criminal.
6th Jun '17 6:03:49 PM Linda58
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* In the ''Franchise/{{Scream}}'' Franchise, almost every killer has a Freudian Excuse. By ''Film/{{Scream 3}}'', Sidney has had enough of this, and yells at the killer that ultimately, these are all [[ShutUpHannibal just excuses to cover up the fact that they're shitty people who kill people]] ForTheEvulz. The exception to this is [[spoiler:Jill]] in ''Film/{{Scream 4}}'' who denies having an excuse and acknowledges that she's a monster, citing "Sick is the new sane".
22nd Apr '17 3:42:15 PM Golondrina
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* On the [[ItWasHisSled sled]] symbolism in ''Film/CitizenKane'', OrsonWelles remarked: "It's a gimmick, really, and rather dollar-book Freud."

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* On the [[ItWasHisSled sled]] symbolism in ''Film/CitizenKane'', OrsonWelles Creator/OrsonWelles remarked: "It's a gimmick, really, and rather dollar-book Freud."
12th Apr '17 9:42:22 AM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* Deconstructed in ''Film/FunnyGames'', in which the male victim asks the two tormentors why they are hurting his family. GenreSavvy as the are, the villains poke fun at the father, coming up with various reasons like one of them being a child of divorce which made him become [[DepravedHomosexual a queer and a crook]] or him having five siblings with all of them being drug addicts while his father was TheAlcoholic. None of this was true as they immediately point out.

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* Deconstructed in ''Film/FunnyGames'', in which the male victim asks the two tormentors why they are hurting his family. GenreSavvy as the are, the The villains poke fun at the father, coming up with various reasons like one of them being a child of divorce which made him become [[DepravedHomosexual a queer and a crook]] or him having five siblings with all of them being drug addicts while his father was TheAlcoholic. None of this was true as they immediately point out.
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