History FreudianExcuse / Film

15th May '18 11:03:13 AM Njein
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** In regards to the Westergaard clan, which rules the Southern Isles with an iron fist, Freud would probably have a big field day with Hans and his 12 older brothers. Their EvilOverlord father transformed his kingdom into a tyrannical dictatorship, deliberately encouraged violence within his family, and micromanaged his sons to become his sycophantic enforcers via [[TykeBomb a ruthlessly and intensely]] [[TrainingFromHell inhumane training program]] that encouraged SocialDarwinism, causing most of them to inherit his LackOfEmpathy. [[TheSociopath The king]] also saw his sons as mere reflections of him so they'll be molded into his shape, yet he actually doesn't care for them unless they're useful to him.

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** In regards to the Westergaard clan, which rules the Southern Isles with an iron fist, Freud would probably have a big field day with Hans and his 12 older brothers. Their EvilOverlord father transformed his kingdom into a tyrannical dictatorship, deliberately encouraged violence within his family, completely reduced his wife to a [[ExtremeDoormat non-entity]] via DomesticAbuse, and micromanaged his sons to become his sycophantic enforcers via [[TykeBomb a ruthlessly and intensely]] [[TrainingFromHell inhumane training program]] that encouraged SocialDarwinism, causing most of them to inherit his LackOfEmpathy. [[TheSociopath The king]] also saw his sons as mere reflections of him so they'll be molded into his shape, yet he actually doesn't care for them unless they're useful to him.
10th May '18 7:18:46 AM Njein
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** In regards to the Westergaard clan, which rules the Southern Isles with an iron fist, Freud would probably have a big field day with the king's thirteen sons. The EvilOverlord king transformed his kingdom into a tyrannical dictatorship, deliberately encouraged violence within his family, and micromanaged his sons to become his sycophantic enforcers via [[TykeBomb a ruthlessly and intensely]] [[TrainingFromHell inhumane training program]] that believed in SocialDarwinism. This causes most of them to inherit his LackOfEmpathy. [[TheSociopath The king]] also saw his sons as mere reflections of him so they'll be molded into his shape, yet he actually doesn't care for them unless they're useful to him.
*** [[JerkassWoobie Prince]] [[TragicVillain Hans]] claims to have had 3 of his 12 older brothers ignore him for 2 years, but [[Literature/AFrozenHeart the novelization]] reveals it was ''way more worse'' than he described, as he was downplaying the abuse. His father raised all his sons to be strong and useful, but scornfully saw Hans to be a weakling and allows all of his sons to bully and harass him all his life. Only his mother and one brother, Lars, showed him kindness but had little impact, likely out of fear of facing the king's wrath. As a result, Hans seemingly has clinical depression, an inferiority complex, and suicidal thoughts stemming from the extensive abuse he received from his family, and his once good nature changed into [[WellDoneSonGuy a stubborn desire to prove himself to his father]], regardless of what he did to Anna and Elsa. And this is a character from a ''Disney'' property.

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** In regards to the Westergaard clan, which rules the Southern Isles with an iron fist, Freud would probably have a big field day with the king's thirteen sons. The Hans and his 12 older brothers. Their EvilOverlord king father transformed his kingdom into a tyrannical dictatorship, deliberately encouraged violence within his family, and micromanaged his sons to become his sycophantic enforcers via [[TykeBomb a ruthlessly and intensely]] [[TrainingFromHell inhumane training program]] that believed in SocialDarwinism. This causes encouraged SocialDarwinism, causing most of them to inherit his LackOfEmpathy. [[TheSociopath The king]] also saw his sons as mere reflections of him so they'll be molded into his shape, yet he actually doesn't care for them unless they're useful to him.
*** [[JerkassWoobie Prince]] [[TragicVillain Hans]] claims to have had 3 of his 12 older brothers ignore him for 2 years, but [[Literature/AFrozenHeart the novelization]] reveals it was ''way more worse'' than he described, as he was downplaying the abuse. abuse to the point he thinks it's ''normal''. His father raised all of his sons to be strong and useful, but scornfully saw Hans to be a weakling and allows all of his sons to bully and harass him all his life. Only his mother and one brother, Lars, showed him kindness but had little impact, likely out of fear of facing the king's wrath. As a result, Hans seemingly has clinical depression, an inferiority complex, and suicidal thoughts stemming from the extensive abuse he received from his family, and his once good nature changed into [[WellDoneSonGuy a stubborn desire to prove himself to his father]], regardless of what he did to Anna and Elsa. And this is a character from a ''Disney'' property.
10th May '18 7:16:09 AM Njein
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* In ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory3'', [[spoiler:Lotso became evil after his first owner lost and replaced him. Woody [[ShutUpHannibal calls him out on it]] for two reasons: It showed how selfish he was and doesn't justify all the toys he's hurt or lied to]].

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* In ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory3'', [[FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse Deconstructed]] in ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory3''. [[spoiler:Lotso the Hugging Bear]] became evil after his [[spoiler:his first owner accidentally lost and replaced him. him.]] Woody [[ShutUpHannibal calls him out on it]] for two reasons: It [[spoiler:It showed how selfish he was and doesn't justify all the toys he's hurt or lied to]].
4th May '18 4:33:41 AM Njein
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** In regards to the Westergaard clan, which rules the Southern Isles with an iron fist, Freud would probably have a big field day with the king's thirteen sons. The king micromanaged most of his sons to become his sycophantic enforcers.
*** [[JerkassWoobie Prince]] [[TragicVillain Hans]] claims to have had 3 of his 12 older brothers ignore him for 2 years, but [[Literature/AFrozenHeart the novelization]] reveals it was ''way more worse'' than he described, as he was downplaying the abuse. His kingdom has been transformed into a tyrannical dictatorship run by his EvilOverlord father, who deliberately encouraged violence within his family and raised all his sons to be strong and useful, but scornfully saw Hans to be a weakling and allows all of his sons to bully and harass him all his life. Only his mother and one brother, Lars, showed him kindness but had little impact, likely out of fear of facing the king's wrath. As a result, Hans seemingly has clinical depression, an inferiority complex, and suicidal thoughts stemming from the extensive abuse he received from his family, and his once good nature changed into [[WellDoneSonGuy a stubborn desire to prove himself to his father]], regardless of what he did to Anna and Elsa. And this is a character from a ''Disney'' property.

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** In regards to the Westergaard clan, which rules the Southern Isles with an iron fist, Freud would probably have a big field day with the king's thirteen sons. The EvilOverlord king transformed his kingdom into a tyrannical dictatorship, deliberately encouraged violence within his family, and micromanaged most of his sons to become his sycophantic enforcers.
enforcers via [[TykeBomb a ruthlessly and intensely]] [[TrainingFromHell inhumane training program]] that believed in SocialDarwinism. This causes most of them to inherit his LackOfEmpathy. [[TheSociopath The king]] also saw his sons as mere reflections of him so they'll be molded into his shape, yet he actually doesn't care for them unless they're useful to him.
*** [[JerkassWoobie Prince]] [[TragicVillain Hans]] claims to have had 3 of his 12 older brothers ignore him for 2 years, but [[Literature/AFrozenHeart the novelization]] reveals it was ''way more worse'' than he described, as he was downplaying the abuse. His kingdom has been transformed into a tyrannical dictatorship run by his EvilOverlord father, who deliberately encouraged violence within his family and father raised all his sons to be strong and useful, but scornfully saw Hans to be a weakling and allows all of his sons to bully and harass him all his life. Only his mother and one brother, Lars, showed him kindness but had little impact, likely out of fear of facing the king's wrath. As a result, Hans seemingly has clinical depression, an inferiority complex, and suicidal thoughts stemming from the extensive abuse he received from his family, and his once good nature changed into [[WellDoneSonGuy a stubborn desire to prove himself to his father]], regardless of what he did to Anna and Elsa. And this is a character from a ''Disney'' property.
22nd Apr '18 10:17:10 AM nombretomado
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* As revealed in ''Film/BatmanVSupermanDawnOfJustice'', the whole worldview of Comicbook/LexLuthor in the ''DCExtendedUniverse'' is due to his upbringing. Lex's father, Alexander Luthor Snr., was an [[AbusiveParents abusive jerk]], who [[VillainWithGoodPublicity hid behind the facade]] of a good family man. Luthor Senior used his son as a business ploy (claiming he named his company after Lex and encouraging investors to "write checks for Lex") while behind closed doors he beat (and possibly did worse to) Lex. Unsuprisingly, this upbringing did a number on Lex's psyche, which only gets worse when Comicbook/{{Superman}} appears, as Lex hates Superman, partly because Superman challenges Lex's beliefs that anyone with power cannot truly be selfless and innocent, and partly due to anger that there was no-one to save ''him'' when he was a child.

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* As revealed in ''Film/BatmanVSupermanDawnOfJustice'', the whole worldview of Comicbook/LexLuthor in the ''DCExtendedUniverse'' ''Franchise/DCExtendedUniverse'' is due to his upbringing. Lex's father, Alexander Luthor Snr., was an [[AbusiveParents abusive jerk]], who [[VillainWithGoodPublicity hid behind the facade]] of a good family man. Luthor Senior used his son as a business ploy (claiming he named his company after Lex and encouraging investors to "write checks for Lex") while behind closed doors he beat (and possibly did worse to) Lex. Unsuprisingly, this upbringing did a number on Lex's psyche, which only gets worse when Comicbook/{{Superman}} appears, as Lex hates Superman, partly because Superman challenges Lex's beliefs that anyone with power cannot truly be selfless and innocent, and partly due to anger that there was no-one to save ''him'' when he was a child.
12th Apr '18 10:24:36 AM TompaDompa
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* ''Film/{{Deewaar}}'': Vijay getting forcibly tattooed as a child with text saying that his father is a thief gives rise to his cynical outlook and motivates him to be as ruthless as he perceives the world to be.
29th Mar '18 2:43:50 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''Film/KnightMoves'' is a bit of a weird example in that it doesn't seem to come to a decision how it wants to play this. Apparently, the SerialKiller's descent into darkness is supposed to be witnessing [[DrivenToSuicide his mother's violent suicide]] following his father's departure when he was just a boy. The problem is that the kid actor they got emoted so little in this scene that [[TroublingUnchildlikeBehavior he just seems bored and/or fascinated by it]], giving the impression that he was already an EnfantTerrible. He doesn't bring it up again until the climax as part of his MotiveRant for wanting revenge on the hero (who was ''very'' inadvertently responsible for the killer's parents both leaving him). However, the hero [[ShutUpHannibal chews the killer out about his excuse]] and points out that [[FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse it doesn't justify his horrible crimes]], including attempting to kill the hero's young daughter. Then the female lead, who's also a psychiatrist-in-training, walks in and having recognized the killer as one of her boss's patients, tries to talk him out of it while [[SympathyForTheDevil sympathizing with him]] for his past (she fails and he gets shot to death by aforementioned hero), so supposedly we're meant to see him as a tragic villain after all?

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* ''Film/KnightMoves'' is a bit of a weird example in that it doesn't seem to come to a decision how it wants to play this. Apparently, the SerialKiller's descent into darkness is supposed to be witnessing [[DrivenToSuicide his mother's violent suicide]] following his father's departure when he was just a boy. The problem is that the kid actor they got emoted so little in this scene that [[TroublingUnchildlikeBehavior he just seems bored and/or fascinated by it]], giving the impression that he was already an EnfantTerrible. He doesn't bring it up again until the climax as part of his MotiveRant for wanting revenge on the hero (who was ''very'' inadvertently responsible for the killer's parents both leaving him). However, the hero [[ShutUpHannibal chews the killer out about his excuse]] and points out that [[FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse it doesn't justify his horrible crimes]], including attempting to kill the hero's young daughter. Then the female lead, who's also a psychiatrist-in-training, walks in and having recognized the killer as one [[spoiler:one of her boss's patients, tries to talk him out of it while [[SympathyForTheDevil sympathizing with him]] for his past (she fails and he gets shot to death by aforementioned hero), so supposedly we're meant to see him as a tragic villain after all?all?]]
21st Mar '18 9:58:54 PM nombretomado
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* Sadako Yamamura in ''{{Ringu}}'' and her American counterpart Samara Morgan in ''Film/TheRing'' have a particularly tragic one. Though it's also a bit of a chicken-and-egg scenario, with some of her own disturbing traits contributing to making her childhood all the more horrific.

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* Sadako Yamamura in ''{{Ringu}}'' ''{{Film/Ringu}}'' and her American counterpart Samara Morgan in ''Film/TheRing'' have a particularly tragic one. Though it's also a bit of a chicken-and-egg scenario, with some of her own disturbing traits contributing to making her childhood all the more horrific.
17th Mar '18 7:36:01 PM Monolaf317
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* ''Film/TragedyGirls'': ''Utterly'' averted. The film goes out of its way to show that Sadie and McKayla had very normal, very stable upbringings, with parents that love them. They weren't bullied in school, or scarred for life by some traumatic event. Nothing made them bad; they just ''[[ForTheEvulz are]]''.

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* ''Film/TragedyGirls'': ''Utterly'' averted. The film goes out of its way to show that Sadie and McKayla [=McKayla=] had very normal, very stable upbringings, with parents that love them. They weren't bullied in school, or scarred for life by some traumatic event. Nothing made them bad; they just ''[[ForTheEvulz are]]''.
17th Mar '18 7:35:40 PM Monolaf317
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* ''Film/TragedyGirls'': ''Utterly'' averted. The film goes out of its way to show that Sadie and McKayla had very normal, very stable upbringings, with parents that love them. They weren't bullied in school, or scarred for life by some traumatic event. Nothing made them bad; they just ''[[ForTheEvulz are]]''.
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