Follow TV Tropes

Following

History FranchiseOriginalSin / DragonBall

Go To

OR

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* One of the most common complaints about ''Super''-era transformations is that they don't change much about prior transformations than hair and aura: Super Saiyan God is just the base form with red hair and eyes and slimmer muscles, Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan is just Super Saiyan but with blue hair, Vegeta's evolved version of it is just a slightly darker shade of blue and the bigger muscles from Second Grade, Perfected Ultra Instinct is just Goku with white hair and eyes, Ultra Ego is just Vegeta with purple hair and eyes, etc. However, this wasn't the first time when "recolor an old transformation" was used: the titular character from [[Anime/DragonBallZBrolyTheLegendarySuperSaiyan the first Broly movie]] has his signature form, which, with its ProphetEyes, massively spiked hair, and [[HulkingOut huge muscles]], is essentially "Super Saiyan Third Grade, but with green hair." However, the fact that copying Third Grade still caused a massive change in silhouette and appearance for its user, coupled with the fact that Third Grade was seen as [[ClippedWingAngel a "failed" transformation that only saw use briefly in one fight]], meant that it completely eclipsed its inspiration and became iconic in its own right. What also helped is that Broly was a new character, and the transformation was unique to him, meaning that the film still presented a completely new design. Meanwhile, post-''Super'' transformations would be attained by existing main characters, spread out among more of the cast, and mostly based on the iconic appearances of the characters' base forms and the original Super Saiyan, which made the "it's just Super Saiyan but purple" complaint a lot more noticeable.

to:

* One of the most common complaints about ''Super''-era transformations is that they don't change much about prior transformations than hair and eye color and aura: Super Saiyan God is just the base form with red hair and eyes and slimmer muscles, Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan is just Super Saiyan but with blue hair, Vegeta's evolved version of it is just a slightly darker shade of blue and the bigger muscles from Second Grade, Perfected Ultra Instinct is just Goku with white hair and eyes, Ultra Ego is just Vegeta with purple hair and eyes, etc. However, this wasn't the first time when "recolor an old transformation" was used: the titular character from [[Anime/DragonBallZBrolyTheLegendarySuperSaiyan the first Broly movie]] has his signature form, which, with its ProphetEyes, massively spiked hair, and [[HulkingOut huge muscles]], is essentially "Super Saiyan Third Grade, but with green hair." However, the fact that copying Third Grade still caused a massive change in silhouette and appearance for its user, coupled with the fact that Third Grade was seen as [[ClippedWingAngel a "failed" transformation that only saw use briefly in one fight]], meant that it completely eclipsed its inspiration and became iconic in its own right. What also helped is that Broly was a new character, and the transformation was unique to him, meaning that the film still presented a completely new design. Meanwhile, post-''Super'' transformations would be attained by existing main characters, spread out among more of the cast, and mostly based on the iconic appearances of the characters' base forms and the original Super Saiyan, which made the "it's just Super Saiyan but purple" complaint a lot more noticeable.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* One of the most common complaints about ''Super''-era transformations is that they don't change much about prior transformations than hair and aura: Super Saiyan God is just the base form with red hair and eyes and slimmer muscles, Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan is just Super Saiyan but with blue hair, Vegeta's evolved version of it is just a slightly darker shade of blue and the bigger muscles from Second Grade, Perfected Ultra Instinct is just Goku with white hair and eyes, Ultra Ego is just Vegeta with purple hair and eyes, etc. However, this wasn't the first time when "recolor an old transformation" was used: the titular character from [[Anime/DragonBallZBrolyTheLegendarySuperSaiyan the first Broly movie]] has his signature form, which, with its ProphetEyes, massively spiked hair, and [[HulkingOut huge muscles]], is essentially "Super Saiyan Third Grade, but with green hair." However, the fact that copying Third Grade still caused a massive change in silhouette and appearance, coupled with the fact that Third Grade was seen as [[ClippedWingAngel a "failed" transformation that only saw use briefly in one fight]], meant that it completely eclipsed its inspiration and became iconic in its own right. What also helped is that Broly was a new character, and the transformation was unique to him, meaning that the film still presented a completely new design. Meanwhile, post-''Super'' transformations would be attained by existing main characters, spread out among more of the cast, and mostly based on the iconic appearances of the characters' base forms and the original Super Saiyan, which made the "it's just Super Saiyan but purple" complaint a lot more noticeable.

to:

* One of the most common complaints about ''Super''-era transformations is that they don't change much about prior transformations than hair and aura: Super Saiyan God is just the base form with red hair and eyes and slimmer muscles, Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan is just Super Saiyan but with blue hair, Vegeta's evolved version of it is just a slightly darker shade of blue and the bigger muscles from Second Grade, Perfected Ultra Instinct is just Goku with white hair and eyes, Ultra Ego is just Vegeta with purple hair and eyes, etc. However, this wasn't the first time when "recolor an old transformation" was used: the titular character from [[Anime/DragonBallZBrolyTheLegendarySuperSaiyan the first Broly movie]] has his signature form, which, with its ProphetEyes, massively spiked hair, and [[HulkingOut huge muscles]], is essentially "Super Saiyan Third Grade, but with green hair." However, the fact that copying Third Grade still caused a massive change in silhouette and appearance, appearance for its user, coupled with the fact that Third Grade was seen as [[ClippedWingAngel a "failed" transformation that only saw use briefly in one fight]], meant that it completely eclipsed its inspiration and became iconic in its own right. What also helped is that Broly was a new character, and the transformation was unique to him, meaning that the film still presented a completely new design. Meanwhile, post-''Super'' transformations would be attained by existing main characters, spread out among more of the cast, and mostly based on the iconic appearances of the characters' base forms and the original Super Saiyan, which made the "it's just Super Saiyan but purple" complaint a lot more noticeable.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* One of the most common complaints about the Saiyans' new trasnformatons introduced in ''Super'', Super Saiyan God and Super Saiyan Blue, is that they're merely recolors of the original Super Saiyan, being respectively red and blue instead of yellow, and are often compared negatively to ''GT's'' Super Saiyan 4, which is praised for its more creative design and changing more than just the hair. However, this wasn't the first time when such transformations were used: The titular character from [[Anime/DragonBallZBrolyTheLegendarySuperSaiyan the first Broly movie]] had a transformation that could easily be called "Super Saiyan Green", yet it wasn't derided as either lame or unorginal by the fans. Part of this stems from the fact that, on top of being something new at the time, Broly's Legendary Super Saiyan transformation was said to be unique to him. Meanwhile, when more and more transformations of this kind were introduced that could be used by both Goku and Vegeta, people quickly got tired of them and yearned for something more original and creative.

to:

* One of the most common complaints about the Saiyans' new trasnformatons introduced in ''Super'', ''Super''-era transformations is that they don't change much about prior transformations than hair and aura: Super Saiyan God is just the base form with red hair and eyes and slimmer muscles, Super Saiyan Blue, is that they're merely recolors of the original Super Saiyan, being respectively red and blue instead of yellow, and are often compared negatively to ''GT's'' God Super Saiyan 4, which is praised for its more creative design and changing more than just Super Saiyan but with blue hair, Vegeta's evolved version of it is just a slightly darker shade of blue and the hair. bigger muscles from Second Grade, Perfected Ultra Instinct is just Goku with white hair and eyes, Ultra Ego is just Vegeta with purple hair and eyes, etc. However, this wasn't the first time when such transformations were "recolor an old transformation" was used: The the titular character from [[Anime/DragonBallZBrolyTheLegendarySuperSaiyan the first Broly movie]] had has his signature form, which, with its ProphetEyes, massively spiked hair, and [[HulkingOut huge muscles]], is essentially "Super Saiyan Third Grade, but with green hair." However, the fact that copying Third Grade still caused a massive change in silhouette and appearance, coupled with the fact that Third Grade was seen as [[ClippedWingAngel a "failed" transformation that could easily be called "Super Saiyan Green", yet only saw use briefly in one fight]], meant that it wasn't derided as either lame or unorginal by completely eclipsed its inspiration and became iconic in its own right. What also helped is that Broly was a new character, and the fans. Part of this stems from the fact that, on top of being something new at the time, Broly's Legendary Super Saiyan transformation was said to be unique to him. him, meaning that the film still presented a completely new design. Meanwhile, when more and more post-''Super'' transformations of this kind were introduced that could would be used attained by both Goku and Vegeta, people quickly got tired of them and yearned for something existing main characters, spread out among more of the cast, and mostly based on the iconic appearances of the characters' base forms and the original and creative.Super Saiyan, which made the "it's just Super Saiyan but purple" complaint a lot more noticeable.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* One of the most common complaints about the Saiyans' new trasnformatons introduced in ''Super'', Super Saiyan God and Super Saiyan Blue, is that they're merely recolors of the original Super Saiyan, being respectively red and blue instead of yellow, and are often compared negatively to ''GT's'' Super Saiyan 4, which is praised for its more creative design and changing more than just the hair. However, this wasn't the first time when such transformations were used: The titular character from [[DragonBallZBrolyTheLegendarySuperSaiyan the first Broly movie]] had a transformation that could easily be called "Super Saiyan Green", yet it wasn't derided as either lame or unorginal by the fans. Part of this stems from the fact that, on top of being something new at the time, Broly's Legendary Super Saiyan transformation was said to be unique to him. Meanwhile, when more and more transformations of this kind were introduced that could be used by both Goku and Vegeta, people quickly got tired of them and yearned for something more original and creative.

to:

* One of the most common complaints about the Saiyans' new trasnformatons introduced in ''Super'', Super Saiyan God and Super Saiyan Blue, is that they're merely recolors of the original Super Saiyan, being respectively red and blue instead of yellow, and are often compared negatively to ''GT's'' Super Saiyan 4, which is praised for its more creative design and changing more than just the hair. However, this wasn't the first time when such transformations were used: The titular character from [[DragonBallZBrolyTheLegendarySuperSaiyan [[Anime/DragonBallZBrolyTheLegendarySuperSaiyan the first Broly movie]] had a transformation that could easily be called "Super Saiyan Green", yet it wasn't derided as either lame or unorginal by the fans. Part of this stems from the fact that, on top of being something new at the time, Broly's Legendary Super Saiyan transformation was said to be unique to him. Meanwhile, when more and more transformations of this kind were introduced that could be used by both Goku and Vegeta, people quickly got tired of them and yearned for something more original and creative.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* A particular case of the above is Goku's tendency to show an unusual amount of mercy to villains. However, Goku had a habit of sparing his foes since even before the Saiyan Saga, starting with sparing Piccolo Jr. However, there were a number of other factors that made this decision seem pretty reasonable, some of which Goku points out: Goku had proven he was stronger than Piccolo and could beat him again if need be, Piccolo's life is linked to Kami and killing him would deactivate the Dragon Balls, and Piccolo hadn't actually done anything ''that'' evil aside from seek revenge. From there, Goku would sometimes give mercy to his foes still, but in most cases the series would usually show this as either a flaw and have consequences for doing so, or acknowledge that Goku doing so was questionable, such as with Vegeta and Frieza. Goku giving the senzu bean to Cell was where it began to become controversial, as Goku was actively aiding an opponent that was BeyondRedemption, he knew he couldn't beat, had no reason to still be alive, and was currently a threat to not just the people of Earth, but his ''son'', all for the sake of a plan that had no real reason to exist and ended up being one tossed head away from failure. [[WhatTheHellHero This was outright called out by characters as a bad move]] and [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone Goku reacts with horror at what he's done]], making it controversial for fans, but making it clear his actions weren't right. In the ''Super'' era though, when Goku tried to give mercy to Moro, who lacked any of the previously mentioned justifications, viewers were confused and baffled by the choice to have Goku do so. And unlike with Cell, nobody calls Goku out on this bad choice even when it backfires, making it too hard for viewers to believe that it made sense for Goku to do so.

to:

* A particular case of the above is Goku's tendency to show an unusual amount of mercy to villains. However, Goku had a habit of sparing his foes since even before the Saiyan Saga, starting with sparing Piccolo Jr. However, there were a number of other factors that made this decision seem pretty reasonable, some of which Goku points out: Goku had proven he was stronger than Piccolo and could beat him again if need be, Piccolo's life is linked to Kami and killing him would deactivate the Dragon Balls, and Piccolo hadn't actually done anything ''that'' evil aside from seek revenge. From there, Goku would sometimes give mercy to his foes still, but in most cases the series would usually show this as either a flaw and have consequences for doing so, or acknowledge that Goku doing so was questionable, such as with Vegeta and Frieza. Goku giving the senzu bean to Cell was where it began to become controversial, as Goku was actively aiding an opponent that was BeyondRedemption, he knew he couldn't beat, had no reason to still be alive, and was currently a threat to not just the people of Earth, but his ''son'', all for the sake of a plan that had no real reason to exist and ended up being one tossed head away from failure. [[WhatTheHellHero This was outright called out by characters as a bad move]] and [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone Goku reacts with horror at what he's done]], making it controversial for fans, but making it clear his actions weren't right. In the ''Super'' era though, when Goku tried to give mercy to Moro, who lacked any of the previously mentioned justifications, viewers were confused and baffled by the choice to have Goku do so. And unlike with Cell, nobody calls Goku out on this bad choice even when it backfires, making it too hard for viewers to believe that it made sense for Goku to do so.so.
* One of the most common complaints about the Saiyans' new trasnformatons introduced in ''Super'', Super Saiyan God and Super Saiyan Blue, is that they're merely recolors of the original Super Saiyan, being respectively red and blue instead of yellow, and are often compared negatively to ''GT's'' Super Saiyan 4, which is praised for its more creative design and changing more than just the hair. However, this wasn't the first time when such transformations were used: The titular character from [[DragonBallZBrolyTheLegendarySuperSaiyan the first Broly movie]] had a transformation that could easily be called "Super Saiyan Green", yet it wasn't derided as either lame or unorginal by the fans. Part of this stems from the fact that, on top of being something new at the time, Broly's Legendary Super Saiyan transformation was said to be unique to him. Meanwhile, when more and more transformations of this kind were introduced that could be used by both Goku and Vegeta, people quickly got tired of them and yearned for something more original and creative.

Top