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* In many ways, he shows himself to be just as selfish and self-absorbed as both Chloe and his own father, with his ItsAllAboutMe attitude and attempts to strong-arm others into doing whatever he wants. He may be an ExtremeDoormat, especially when it comes to dealing with both of them, but anyone who doesn't hold some measure of power over him gets treated with disrespect under a candy coating of 'friendly advice'.
** This is reflected in the fallout of ''All the Laughs We Had in the Past''. While Chloe and Gabriel ''both'' have [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone moments of horror]] regarding the part they played in those events, with Chloe having a HeelRealization that starts to stick, Gabriel brushes away the guilt like it's nothing more than a bit of lint while [[NeverMyFault passing the buck]]. Adrien, meanwhile, fails to recognize that there's [[IgnoredEpiphany an epiphany to to had here in the first place]], thoroughly convinced of his own victimhood.
** This is reflected in the fallout of ''All the Laughs We Had in the Past''. While Chloe and Gabriel ''both'' have [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone moments of horror]] regarding the part they played in those events, with Chloe having a HeelRealization that starts to stick, Gabriel brushes away the guilt like it's nothing more than a bit of lint while [[NeverMyFault passing the buck]]. Adrien, meanwhile, fails to recognize that there's [[IgnoredEpiphany an epiphany to to had here in the first place]], thoroughly convinced of his own victimhood.
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* In many ways, he shows himself to be just as selfish and self-absorbed as both Chloe Chloé and his own father, with his ItsAllAboutMe attitude and attempts to strong-arm others into doing whatever he wants. He may be an ExtremeDoormat, especially when it comes to dealing with both of them, but anyone who doesn't hold some measure of power over him gets treated with disrespect under a candy coating of 'friendly advice'.
** This is reflected in the fallout of ''All the Laughs We Had in the Past''. WhileChloe Chloé and Gabriel ''both'' have [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone moments of horror]] regarding the part they played in those events, with Chloe Chloé having a HeelRealization that starts to stick, Gabriel brushes away the guilt like it's nothing more than a bit of lint while [[NeverMyFault passing the buck]]. Adrien, meanwhile, fails to recognize that there's [[IgnoredEpiphany an epiphany to to had here in the first place]], thoroughly convinced of his own victimhood.
** This is reflected in the fallout of ''All the Laughs We Had in the Past''. While
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* ''All the Laughs We Had in the Past'' draws a firm parallel between her and Chloe. Chloe briefly reacts to Marinette's ArmorPiercingQuestion about whether Ladybug would approve of her actions with horror, only to [[IgnoredEpiphany brush her off]] in much the same way that Alya dismissed Ladybug's warnings about her conduct on the Ladyblog. Meanwhile, Alya has a JerkassRealization that sticks.
** Much like Alya, being called out on her actions doesn't have quite the same impact as a more ''serious'' set of consequences. Only then does Chloe have a proper [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone moment of self-realization]] that helps kickstart her own CharacterDevelopment, however slow and subtle it might be.
** Much like Alya, being called out on her actions doesn't have quite the same impact as a more ''serious'' set of consequences. Only then does Chloe have a proper [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone moment of self-realization]] that helps kickstart her own CharacterDevelopment, however slow and subtle it might be.
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* ''All the Laughs We Had in the Past'' draws a firm parallel between her and Chloe. Chloe Chloé. Chloé briefly reacts to Marinette's ArmorPiercingQuestion about whether Ladybug would approve of her actions with horror, only to [[IgnoredEpiphany brush her off]] in much the same way that Alya dismissed Ladybug's warnings about her conduct on the Ladyblog. Meanwhile, Alya has a JerkassRealization that sticks.
** Much like Alya, being called out on her actions doesn't have quite the same impact as a more ''serious'' set of consequences. Only then doesChloe Chloé have a proper [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone moment of self-realization]] that helps kickstart her own CharacterDevelopment, however slow and subtle it might be.
** Much like Alya, being called out on her actions doesn't have quite the same impact as a more ''serious'' set of consequences. Only then does
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** There's also how both boys deal with the matter of Lila. The moment Lila meets Luka, she attempts to force her way into his space and hang off of him in much the same way she does Adrien, only to get completely shut down, as he shuts down her efforts ''and'' her excuses. By contrast, despite his discomfort with her clingy behavior, Adrien actively makes excuses ''for her'', much to Lila's own surprise.
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* For all that he claims to love Ladybug, Adrien/Chat refuses to ''listen'' to anything she says that doesn't jive with what he ''wants'' to hear. Luka's relationship with Marinette, meanwhile, is founded upon open communication. While there are times that Luka hesitates to tell her something, this is generally because he doesn't want to burden her with his problems... as opposed to Adrien's attempts to make her put ''his feelings'' above her own.
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* His cousin Felix is a smarmy SmugSmiler who's NotHereToMakeFriends, bulldozing his way through life with the confidence of somebody who feels entitled to whatever he wants. Felix's family is much more permissive than the restrictive and controlling Gabriel, allowing him to get away with far more, and he sees Adrien as a spineless ExtremeDoormat who needs to [[GrewASpine learn how to stand up for himself]]. [[DramaticIrony Ironically enough]], his efforts to [[ToughLove force Adrien to become more like him]] ''have'' worked to some extent: Adrien displays a similarly self-centered and cocksure attitude as Chat Noir, and is similarly convinced that ''he'' knows how to fix the problems of others. As evidenced by his passive-aggressive efforts to 'fix' Marinette's strained relationships by pressuring her to apologize to Alya and himself.
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* His cousin Felix is a smarmy SmugSmiler who's NotHereToMakeFriends, bulldozing his way through life with the confidence of somebody who feels entitled to whatever he wants. Felix's family is much more permissive than the restrictive and controlling Gabriel, allowing him to get away with far more, and he sees Adrien as a spineless ExtremeDoormat who needs to [[GrewASpine learn how to stand up for himself]]. [[DramaticIrony Ironically enough]], his efforts to [[ToughLove force Adrien to become more like him]] ''have'' worked to some extent: Adrien displays a similarly [[EntitledBastard self-centered and cocksure attitude attitude]] as Chat Noir, and is similarly convinced that ''he'' knows how to fix the problems of others. As evidenced by his passive-aggressive efforts to 'fix' Marinette's strained relationships by pressuring her to apologize to Alya and himself.
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* Marinette and Master Fu share a tendency to blame themselves for the actions of others. When Marinette figures this out, it strengthens her resolve to set things right and help him heal.
* Marinette and Master Fu share a tendency to blame themselves for the actions of others. When Marinette figures this out, it strengthens her resolve to set things right and help him heal.
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* While both Alya and Adrien start off as incredibly stubborn, refusing to admit [[NeverMyFault they played any part in creating the problems they face]], Alya gradually develops a SympatheticPOV and edges towards a gradual self-realization while he digs in his heels and refuses to budge. One particularly strong parallel is drawn in ''I Owe You Every Joy of Love'' versus ''Don't Step Over My Head'' through how each responds to [[spoiler:Hawkmoth exploiting their MomentOfWeakness. Alya finds the strength to reject akumatization through her HeroicResolve not to let Ladybug down, whereas Adrien immediately gives in, hoping to 'fix everything' through force]].
* In many ways, he shows himself to be just as selfish and self-absorbed as both Chloe and his own father, with his ItsAllAboutMe attitude and attempts to strong-arm others into doing whatever he wants.
* In many ways, he shows himself to be just as selfish and self-absorbed as both Chloe and his own father, with his ItsAllAboutMe attitude and attempts to strong-arm others into doing whatever he wants.
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* While both Alya and Adrien start off as incredibly stubborn, refusing to admit [[NeverMyFault they played any part in creating the problems they face]], Alya gradually develops a SympatheticPOV and edges towards a [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone gradual self-realization self-realization]] while he digs in his heels and refuses to budge. One particularly strong parallel is drawn in ''I Owe You Every Joy of Love'' versus ''Don't Step Over My Head'' through how each responds to [[spoiler:Hawkmoth exploiting their MomentOfWeakness. Alya finds the strength to reject akumatization through her HeroicResolve not to let Ladybug down, whereas Adrien immediately gives in, hoping to 'fix everything' through force]].
* In many ways, he shows himself to be just as selfish and self-absorbed as both Chloe and his own father, with his ItsAllAboutMe attitude and attempts to strong-arm others into doing whatever he wants. He may be an ExtremeDoormat, especially when it comes to dealing with both of them, but anyone who doesn't hold some measure of power over him gets treated with disrespect under a candy coating of 'friendly advice'.
** This is reflected in the fallout of ''All the Laughs We Had in the Past''. While Chloe and Gabriel ''both'' have [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone moments of horror]] regarding the part they played in those events, with Chloe having a HeelRealization that starts to stick, Gabriel brushes away the guilt like it's nothing more than a bit of lint while [[NeverMyFault passing the buck]]. Adrien, meanwhile, fails to recognize that there's [[IgnoredEpiphany an epiphany to to had here in the first place]], thoroughly convinced of his own victimhood.
* In many ways, he shows himself to be just as selfish and self-absorbed as both Chloe and his own father, with his ItsAllAboutMe attitude and attempts to strong-arm others into doing whatever he wants. He may be an ExtremeDoormat, especially when it comes to dealing with both of them, but anyone who doesn't hold some measure of power over him gets treated with disrespect under a candy coating of 'friendly advice'.
** This is reflected in the fallout of ''All the Laughs We Had in the Past''. While Chloe and Gabriel ''both'' have [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone moments of horror]] regarding the part they played in those events, with Chloe having a HeelRealization that starts to stick, Gabriel brushes away the guilt like it's nothing more than a bit of lint while [[NeverMyFault passing the buck]]. Adrien, meanwhile, fails to recognize that there's [[IgnoredEpiphany an epiphany to to had here in the first place]], thoroughly convinced of his own victimhood.
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* His cousin Felix is a smarmy SmugSmiler who's NotHereToMakeFriends, bulldozing his way through life with the confidence of somebody who feels entitled to whatever he wants. Felix' family is much more permissive than the restrictive and controlling Gabriel, allowing him to get away with far more, and he sees Adrien as a spineless ExtremeDoormat who needs to [[GrewASpine learn how to stand up for himself]]. [[DramaticIrony Ironically enough]], his efforts to [[ToughLove force Adrien to become more like him]] ''have'' worked to some extent: Adrien displays a similarly self-centered and cocksure attitude as Chat Noir, and is similarly convinced that ''he'' knows how to fix the problems of others. As evidenced by his passive-aggressive efforts to 'fix' Marinette's strained relationships by pressuring her to apologize to Alya and himself.
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* His cousin Felix is a smarmy SmugSmiler who's NotHereToMakeFriends, bulldozing his way through life with the confidence of somebody who feels entitled to whatever he wants. Felix' Felix's family is much more permissive than the restrictive and controlling Gabriel, allowing him to get away with far more, and he sees Adrien as a spineless ExtremeDoormat who needs to [[GrewASpine learn how to stand up for himself]]. [[DramaticIrony Ironically enough]], his efforts to [[ToughLove force Adrien to become more like him]] ''have'' worked to some extent: Adrien displays a similarly self-centered and cocksure attitude as Chat Noir, and is similarly convinced that ''he'' knows how to fix the problems of others. As evidenced by his passive-aggressive efforts to 'fix' Marinette's strained relationships by pressuring her to apologize to Alya and himself.
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* Felix effectively steps into the role she held the year before when he arrives, being a NewTransferStudent who's ''very'' interested in learning everyone's secrets. He looks down upon her and the Ladyblog for her mistakes, yet follows a very similar path of stamping on and ignoring the feelings of others much like ''she'' did in his pursuit of the truth.
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** Much like Alya, being called out on her actions doesn't have quite the same impact as a more ''serious'' set of consequences. Only then does Chloe have a proper [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone moment of self-realization]] that helps kickstart her own CharacterDevelopment, however slow and subtle it might be.
* Felix effectively steps into the roleshe Alya held the year before when he arrives, being a NewTransferStudent who's ''very'' interested in learning everyone's secrets. He looks down upon her and the Ladyblog for her mistakes, yet follows a very similar path of stamping on and ignoring the feelings of others much like ''she'' did in his pursuit of the truth.
* Felix effectively steps into the role
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* Chat Noir serves as one for ''himself'' when his memories get temporarily wiped away by Oblivio. Despite initially assuming that he and Ladybug might be partners in the ''romantic'' sense based off the pictures on his phone, when Marinette concludes from her own cell's photos that she already has a boyfriend, he realizes that he may just have a crush. Rather than [[GreenEyedMonster getting jealous]] or prioritizing ''his'' feelings over hers, he [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy accepts the situation]], and [[LoveConfession confesses]] just to get the feelings off his chest, fully expecting to be rejected. This contrasts sharply with his [[EntitledToHaveYou regular behavior]], and is treated with far more sympathy.
* While both Alya and Adrien start off as incredibly stubborn, refusing to admit [[NeverMyFault they played any part in creating the problems they face]], Alya gradually develops a SympatheticPOV and edges towards a gradual self-realization while he digs in his heels and refuses to budge. One particularly strong parallel is drawn in ''I Owe You Every Joy of Love'' versus ''Don't Step Over My Head'' through how each responds to [[spoiler:Hawkmoth exploiting their MomentOfWeakness. Alya finds the strength to reject akumatization through her HeroicResolve not to let Ladybug down, whereas Adrien immediately gives in, hoping to 'fix everything' through force]].
* In many ways, he shows himself to be just as selfish and self-absorbed as both Chloe and his own father, with his ItsAllAboutMe attitude and attempts to strong-arm others into doing whatever he wants.
* Many of Adrien's tactics are also quite similar to Lila's. His friendliness and desire for everyone to get along is [[BitchInSheepsClothing less of an act]], but he still keeps PlayingTheVictimCard to the hilt, trying to guilt-trip and shame others into complying with how ''he'' feels things should be.
* His cousin Felix is a smarmy SmugSmiler who's NotHereToMakeFriends, bulldozing his way through life with the confidence of somebody who feels entitled to whatever he wants. Felix' family is much more permissive than the restrictive and controlling Gabriel, allowing him to get away with far more, and he sees Adrien as a spineless ExtremeDoormat who needs to [[GrewASpine learn how to stand up for himself]]. [[DramaticIrony Ironically enough]], his efforts to [[ToughLove force Adrien to become more like him]] ''have'' worked to some extent: Adrien displays a similarly self-centered and cocksure attitude as Chat Noir, and is similarly convinced that ''he'' knows how to fix the problems of others. As evidenced by his passive-aggressive efforts to 'fix' Marinette's strained relationships by pressuring her to apologize to Alya and himself.
!!Alya
* ''The Hour Glass is Drifting Away'' highlights Nino and Alya's contrasting personalities. While Alya is confident, driven and forceful in her pursuit of whatever she wants, Nino tends to stay quiet and keep the peace by compromising, even when he doesn't necessarily ''want'' to. This made him an AccompliceByInaction to her ManipulativeEditing: he didn't approve, but didn't do anything to stop her, either. He also listens to what Ladybug has to say, accepting her criticisms and his punishment, whereas Alya refuses to [[NeverMyFault admit any fault]] and accuses her of overreacting. Nino also recognizes that Ladybug is giving them a chance to redeem themselves, while Alya's refusal to listen leads her to assume she's been permanently benched.
* ''All the Laughs We Had in the Past'' draws a firm parallel between her and Chloe. Chloe briefly reacts to Marinette's ArmorPiercingQuestion about whether Ladybug would approve of her actions with horror, only to [[IgnoredEpiphany brush her off]] in much the same way that Alya dismissed Ladybug's warnings about her conduct on the Ladyblog. Meanwhile, Alya has a JerkassRealization that sticks.
* Felix effectively steps into the role she held the year before when he arrives, being a NewTransferStudent who's ''very'' interested in learning everyone's secrets. He looks down upon her and the Ladyblog for her mistakes, yet follows a very similar path of stamping on and ignoring the feelings of others much like ''she'' did in his pursuit of the truth.
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* Chat Noir serves as one for ''himself'' when his memories get temporarily wiped away by Oblivio. Despite initially assuming that he and Ladybug might be partners in the ''romantic'' sense based off the pictures on his phone, when Marinette concludes from her own cell's photos that she already has a boyfriend, he realizes that he may just have a crush. Rather than [[GreenEyedMonster getting jealous]] or prioritizing ''his'' feelings over hers, he [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy accepts the situation]], and [[LoveConfession confesses]] just to get the feelings off his chest, fully expecting to be rejected. This contrasts sharply with his [[EntitledToHaveYou regular behavior]], and is treated with far more sympathy.
* While both Alya and Adrien start off as incredibly stubborn, refusing to admit [[NeverMyFault they played any part in creating the problems they face]], Alya gradually develops a SympatheticPOV and edges towards a gradual self-realization while he digs in his heels and refuses to budge. One particularly strong parallel is drawn in ''I Owe You Every Joy of Love'' versus ''Don't Step Over My Head'' through how each responds to [[spoiler:Hawkmoth exploiting their MomentOfWeakness. Alya finds the strength to reject akumatization through her HeroicResolve not to let Ladybug down, whereas Adrien immediately gives in, hoping to 'fix everything' through force]].
* In many ways, he shows himself to be just as selfish and self-absorbed as both Chloe and his own father, with his ItsAllAboutMe attitude and attempts to strong-arm others into doing whatever he wants.
* Many of Adrien's tactics are also quite similar to Lila's. His friendliness and desire for everyone to get along is [[BitchInSheepsClothing less of an act]], but he still keeps PlayingTheVictimCard to the hilt, trying to guilt-trip and shame others into complying with how ''he'' feels things should be.
* His cousin Felix is a smarmy SmugSmiler who's NotHereToMakeFriends, bulldozing his way through life with the confidence of somebody who feels entitled to whatever he wants. Felix' family is much more permissive than the restrictive and controlling Gabriel, allowing him to get away with far more, and he sees Adrien as a spineless ExtremeDoormat who needs to [[GrewASpine learn how to stand up for himself]]. [[DramaticIrony Ironically enough]], his efforts to [[ToughLove force Adrien to become more like him]] ''have'' worked to some extent: Adrien displays a similarly self-centered and cocksure attitude as Chat Noir, and is similarly convinced that ''he'' knows how to fix the problems of others. As evidenced by his passive-aggressive efforts to 'fix' Marinette's strained relationships by pressuring her to apologize to Alya and himself.
!!Alya
* ''The Hour Glass is Drifting Away'' highlights Nino and Alya's contrasting personalities. While Alya is confident, driven and forceful in her pursuit of whatever she wants, Nino tends to stay quiet and keep the peace by compromising, even when he doesn't necessarily ''want'' to. This made him an AccompliceByInaction to her ManipulativeEditing: he didn't approve, but didn't do anything to stop her, either. He also listens to what Ladybug has to say, accepting her criticisms and his punishment, whereas Alya refuses to [[NeverMyFault admit any fault]] and accuses her of overreacting. Nino also recognizes that Ladybug is giving them a chance to redeem themselves, while Alya's refusal to listen leads her to assume she's been permanently benched.
* ''All the Laughs We Had in the Past'' draws a firm parallel between her and Chloe. Chloe briefly reacts to Marinette's ArmorPiercingQuestion about whether Ladybug would approve of her actions with horror, only to [[IgnoredEpiphany brush her off]] in much the same way that Alya dismissed Ladybug's warnings about her conduct on the Ladyblog. Meanwhile, Alya has a JerkassRealization that sticks.
* Felix effectively steps into the role she held the year before when he arrives, being a NewTransferStudent who's ''very'' interested in learning everyone's secrets. He looks down upon her and the Ladyblog for her mistakes, yet follows a very similar path of stamping on and ignoring the feelings of others much like ''she'' did in his pursuit of the truth.
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