History Flanderization / VideoGames

19th Mar '17 11:21:17 PM DastardlyDemolition
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* The boss (player character) in the ''VideoGame/SaintsRow'' series gone through several shades of this in every game. In the first game, they were nothing more than the HeroicMime that eventually spoke a few witty lines at the end. In the second game, the boss becomes more bloodthirsty, is full of snark, and aims to reclaim the lost glory they had from the previous game. By the third game, the boss' popularity becomes exaggerated and they're annoyed that their achievements mean nothing in the new town. By the fourth game, the boss' ego inflates massively and they're a JerkAss to their friends, though one of said friends eventually calls them out on it and the boss actually apologizes for being so selfish.

to:

* The boss Boss (player character) in the ''VideoGame/SaintsRow'' series gone through several shades of this in every game. In the first game, they were nothing more than the HeroicMime that eventually spoke a few witty lines at the end. In the second game, the boss Boss becomes more bloodthirsty, is full of snark, and aims to reclaim the lost glory they had from the previous game. By the third game, the boss' Boss' popularity becomes exaggerated and they're annoyed that their achievements mean nothing in the new town. By the fourth game, the boss' Boss' ego inflates massively and they're a JerkAss to their friends, though one of said friends eventually calls them out on it and the boss Boss actually apologizes for being so selfish.selfish. [[ItMakesSenseInContext While being buck naked.]] Which leads to the series second point of Flanderization.
19th Mar '17 10:28:23 PM DastardlyDemolition
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* Done on purpose to the Brotherhood of Steel in ''Franchise/{{Fallout}}''. From ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 1}}'' to ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 2}}'' they become significantly more secular and generally bigger {{Jerkass}}es, then even more so in ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas''. This is due to the time differences between the games, as each generation drifts further and further away from the [[MotiveDecay original intentions of the organisation and into more overt technology worship]] and becomes increasingly secular and elitist, which was originally a very minor aspect of the [=BoS=]. Their increasing elitism is a major plot point for their quest line, including the member that can be recruited by [[PlayerCharacter the Courier]], one Veronica Santangelo. In the NCR and Independent endings, their decision to embrace or abandon their isolationism ultimately decides whether or not [[spoiler: the Mojave chapter even survives.]] Head Paladin (and possible Elder) Edgar is a hardliner who follows the Codex to the spirit and letter. Elder Nolan [=McNamara=], current Elder of Hidden Valley Bunker, in contrast his described by Veronica as one of the most progressive Elders. He wishes to lift the lockdown and agrees that they need more recruits to bolster their shrinking numbers but [[TheChainsOfCommanding tragically knows that he can't]], partially out of a justified fear that the [=NCR=] will wipe them out.

to:

* Done on purpose to the Brotherhood of Steel in ''Franchise/{{Fallout}}''. From ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 1}}'' to ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 2}}'' they become significantly more secular and generally bigger {{Jerkass}}es, then even more so in ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas''. This is due to the time differences between the games, as each generation drifts further and further away from the [[MotiveDecay original intentions of the organisation and into more overt technology worship]] and becomes increasingly secular and elitist, which was originally a very minor aspect of the [=BoS=]. Their increasing elitism is a major plot point for their quest line, including the member that can be recruited by [[PlayerCharacter the Courier]], one Veronica Santangelo. In the NCR and Independent endings, their decision to embrace or abandon their isolationism ultimately decides whether or not [[spoiler: the Mojave chapter even survives.]] Head Paladin (and possible Elder) Edgar Hardin is a hardliner who follows the Codex to the spirit and letter. Elder Nolan [=McNamara=], current Elder of Hidden Valley Bunker, in contrast his described by Veronica as one of the most progressive Elders. He wishes to lift the lockdown and agrees that they need more recruits to bolster their shrinking numbers but [[TheChainsOfCommanding tragically knows that he can't]], partially out of a justified fear that the [=NCR=] will wipe them out.
19th Mar '17 8:47:06 PM DastardlyDemolition
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* ''VideoGame/Left4Dead2'' exaggerated the traits of the survivors within The Passing campaign DLC. Coach may sometimes hope that a Burger Tank restaurant will be open or be reminiscent of a boiled peanut festival. Rochelle, who was mildly snarky in the game, is now full of snark in The Passing. Ellis' stories grown more ridiculous, such as how his friend ate two pounds of raw chicken. Nick, who doesn't like to be covered in dirt and grime, became borderline fearful of germs (he may ask the other survivors to carry him above the sewer water) and states that the entire ZombieApocalypse could have been prevented by everyone using more hand sanitizer.

to:

* ''VideoGame/Left4Dead2'' exaggerated the traits of the survivors within The Passing campaign DLC. Coach may sometimes hope that a Burger Tank restaurant will be open or be reminiscent of a boiled peanut festival. Rochelle, who was mildly snarky in the game, is now full of snark in The Passing. Ellis' stories grown more ridiculous, such as how his friend ate two pounds of raw chicken. chicken (in an attempt to make cheap sushi, no less). Nick, who doesn't like to be covered in dirt and grime, grime due to his (allegedly) expensive suit, became borderline fearful of germs (he may ask the other survivors to carry him above the sewer water) and states that the entire ZombieApocalypse could have been prevented by everyone using more hand sanitizer.
19th Mar '17 12:36:17 PM DastardlyDemolition
Is there an issue? Send a Message


-->'''Elder [=McNamara=]'': What does the Codex say? We do not help them, or let them in. We keep knowledge they must never have. I'm sorry.

to:

-->'''Elder [=McNamara=]'': [=McNamara=]''': What does the Codex say? We do not help them, or let them in. We keep knowledge they must never have. I'm sorry.
19th Mar '17 12:35:08 PM DastardlyDemolition
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* Done on purpose to the Brotherhood of Steel in ''Franchise/{{Fallout}}''. From ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 1}}'' to ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 2}}'' they become significantly more secular and generally bigger {{Jerkass}}es, then even more so in ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas''. This is due to the time differences between the games, as each generation drifts further and further away from the [[MotiveDecay original intentions of the organisation and into more overt technology worship]] and becomes increasingly secular and elitist, which was originally a very minor aspect of the [=BoS=]. Their increasing elitism is a major plot point for their quest line, including the member that can be recruited by [[PlayerCharacter the Courier]]. In the NCR and Independent endings, their decision to embrace or abandon their isolationism ultimately decides whether or not [[spoiler: the Mojave chapter even survives.]]
** There are, of course, a few Chapters that have completely different kinds of flanderization. Naturally, the Flanderized "White Knight" version in the [[VideoGame/Fallout3 DC Wasteland]] actually started to expand and likely is now more powerful then the entire OG Brotherhood combined. Minus their giant propaganda robot, even. The East Coast BoS influence is mostly due to the Lone Wanderer's help against [[spoiler:The Enclave]] and [[spoiler:Project Purity]] and partly due to Elder Arthur Maxson's capable leadership along with the increasing power of the New California Republic crushing the increasingly restrictive Brotherhood chapters in the west.

to:

* Done on purpose to the Brotherhood of Steel in ''Franchise/{{Fallout}}''. From ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 1}}'' to ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 2}}'' they become significantly more secular and generally bigger {{Jerkass}}es, then even more so in ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas''. This is due to the time differences between the games, as each generation drifts further and further away from the [[MotiveDecay original intentions of the organisation and into more overt technology worship]] and becomes increasingly secular and elitist, which was originally a very minor aspect of the [=BoS=]. Their increasing elitism is a major plot point for their quest line, including the member that can be recruited by [[PlayerCharacter the Courier]].Courier]], one Veronica Santangelo. In the NCR and Independent endings, their decision to embrace or abandon their isolationism ultimately decides whether or not [[spoiler: the Mojave chapter even survives.]]
]] Head Paladin (and possible Elder) Edgar is a hardliner who follows the Codex to the spirit and letter. Elder Nolan [=McNamara=], current Elder of Hidden Valley Bunker, in contrast his described by Veronica as one of the most progressive Elders. He wishes to lift the lockdown and agrees that they need more recruits to bolster their shrinking numbers but [[TheChainsOfCommanding tragically knows that he can't]], partially out of a justified fear that the [=NCR=] will wipe them out.
-->'''Elder [=McNamara=]'': What does the Codex say? We do not help them, or let them in. We keep knowledge they must never have. I'm sorry.
** There are, of course, a few Chapters that have completely different kinds of flanderization. Naturally, the Flanderized "White Knight" version in the [[VideoGame/Fallout3 DC Wasteland]] actually started to expand and likely is now more powerful then the entire OG Brotherhood combined. Minus their giant propaganda robot, even. The East Coast BoS Brotherhood influence is mostly due to the Lone Wanderer's help against [[spoiler:The Enclave]] and [[spoiler:Project Purity]] and partly due to Elder [[VideoGame/Fallout4 Arthur Maxson's Maxson]]'s capable leadership and going back Elder Owyn Lyons' "help the wastelanders" stance (which brought the Brotherhood back to full strength as the more traditionalist Brotherhood Outcasts returned), along with the increasing power of the New California Republic crushing the increasingly restrictive Brotherhood chapters in the west.
8th Mar '17 2:51:51 PM Vorhias
Is there an issue? Send a Message


-->'''Engineer''': We'll all be fine as long as [[ItMakesSenseInContext nobody teleports any bread]].

to:

-->'''Engineer''': We'll all be fine as fine! So long as [[ItMakesSenseInContext nobody teleports any bread]].



-->'''Engineer''': What is it, Soldier?
-->'''Soldier''': I have teleported bread!
-->'''Engineer''': WHAT?!
-->'''Soldier''': ''You'' told me to!"
-->'''Medic''': How much bread have you teleported?!
-->'''Soldier''': I have done nothing but teleport bread for ''three days''!

to:

-->'''Engineer''': What is it, What's yer question, Soldier?
-->'''Soldier''': I have teleported bread!
bread.
-->'''Engineer''': ...WHAT.
-->'''Soldier''': You told me to.
-->'''Engineer''': WHAT?!
-->'''Soldier''': ''You'' told me to!"
-->'''Medic''': How much bread have you teleported?!
FOR HOW LONG.
-->'''Soldier''': I have done nothing but teleport bread for ''three days''!the past three days.
6th Mar '17 2:37:56 AM pinkdalek
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* In ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'' Cloud Strife actually did very little brooding, preferring to focus on fighting Sephiroth and saving the planet from Shinra. The guy even cracked a few jokes at his friends and could take a jab back in return, and is very caring of his friends and claims he "trusts everyone". His archrival Sephiroth was a DarkMessiah who wanted to [[AGodAmI become a god]] to reshape the planet into his own personal utopia, and he screwed with Cloud's head to do it in revenge for Cloud defeating him years prior. Ever since the original game Cloud has been warped into a loner who brushes off his friends' attempts to help him while he broods and angsts over Sephiroth, and Sephiroth's only character traits now are his ability to manipulate Cloud's emotions and taunt Cloud with the fact he's so good at it. The FoeYay between them has also gotten increasingly heavy-handed, to the point Sephiroth almost seems more like a jealous stalker or a scorned ex than Cloud's hated enemy.

to:

* In ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'' *''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'':
**In the original,
Cloud Strife actually did very little brooding, preferring to focus on fighting Sephiroth and saving the planet from Shinra. The guy even cracked a few jokes at his friends and could take a jab back in return, and is very caring of his friends and claims he "trusts everyone". His archrival Sephiroth was a DarkMessiah who wanted to [[AGodAmI become a god]] to reshape the planet into his own personal utopia, and he screwed with Cloud's head to do it in revenge for Cloud defeating him years prior. Ever since the original game Cloud has been warped into a loner who brushes off his friends' attempts to help him while he broods and angsts over Sephiroth, and Sephiroth's only character traits now are his ability to manipulate Cloud's emotions and taunt Cloud with the fact he's so good at it. The FoeYay between them has also gotten increasingly heavy-handed, to the point Sephiroth almost seems more like a jealous stalker or a scorned ex than Cloud's hated enemy.


Added DiffLines:

**The FauxSymbolism elements of the franchise were greatly exaggerated, with attendant changes in characters. The original game uses pop-Judeochristian imagery for flavour, like the name 'Sephiroth' and the MacGuffin being 'the Promised Land', and Sephiroth turns into a big ol' OneWingedAngel in his final battle (like the preceeding ''FF'' final boss, Kefka). Vincent talked about his sins, but this was a character quirk unique to him, and related to his role in Sephiroth's creation. The sequels (and light novels) have every character brooding about being forgiven for their sins, even characters like Barret, Red XIII and Rufus. Angel statues abound, and we get characters named Genesis and Angeal. Genesis reads horrible religious poetry and appears to worship a Goddess resembling the Virgin Mary.
14th Feb '17 10:07:41 AM MightyKombat
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** Toriel does act quite motherly in-game, but is shown to have a clear mischievous streak and is implied to be rather foul-mouthed in less formal situations (one "hell" in dialogue--which she immediately corrects to "heck"--and WordOfGod has it that "it's entirely possible she's said the f-word before"). A lot of fan works decide to ditch the less desirable aspects of her personality and turn her into a straight example of TeamMom, if not MyBelovedSmother, and often a MILF as well.

to:

** Toriel does act quite motherly in-game, but is shown to have a clear mischievous streak and is implied to be rather foul-mouthed in less formal situations (one "hell" in dialogue--which dialogue which she immediately corrects to "heck"--and "heck" since there's a child present, WordOfGod has it that "it's entirely possible she's said the f-word before").before" and the official Tumblr even stated that at one point, she got drunk and "threw little pizzas as Sans"). A lot of fan works decide to ditch the less desirable aspects of her personality and turn her into a straight example of TeamMom, if not MyBelovedSmother, and often a MILF as well.
18th Jan '17 4:54:26 AM TheJollyJordan
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

* In fact, the majority of both casts have undergone this trope in one way or another, with the sole exception being the P3 Protagonist, as unlike his P4 counterpart, there were no other spin-offs outside of ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'' that allowed him to speak his mind for the first time.
** From the P3 Cast:
*** Yukari, being one of the most popular students at school, tends to swing between becoming a trusting friend & ally, and hiding her own insecurities of missing her father through some snark at the (mainly male) party members. Even though she had her flaws, Yukari became quite a compassionate character, who would with the most seriousness step up to help people who are suffering from their own problems, even people like ((ClassClown the annoying Junpei Iori)). In PQ, while she does show some understanding of the feelings of others later on in the story, she has now evolved into an ((AlphaBitch Alpha Bitch)), and is not prone to showing how certain members of the P4 group can annoy her, let alone from her own party.
*** In P3, Akihiko occasionally mentions protein during dialogue options and his lust for fighting absurdly powerful enemies was something he knew he had to significantly tone down in order to protect those he loves. Akihiko, while not as much a genius as Mitsuru is, was still clever and mature, evident in his conversations with Ken, Shinji and brining in Junpei after he awakens to his persona. PQ, however, has decided to strip him of his maturity and intellect, and replace it with the strong passion of winning pointless, childish fights with his friends, as well as mentioning protein every 10 seconds...
*** Mitsuru has not changed much between the two games, though she has become a little more formal than usual, calling many of both parties exclusively by their last names, and consistently yelling 'I SHALL EXECUTE YOU ALL' whenever her temper rises.
*** Junpei, being the ((ClassClown class clown)) is well known for his rather loud behaviour and being a focus character for (PluckyComicRelief comic relief), yet is also very caring and compassionate to those in need. Throughout PQ, he has become significantly more sarcastic and snarky, becoming much more goofier than his original self.
*** While the cast would initially show some surprise that ((KidHero Ken is a 10yr old Persona User)), both the P3 and P4 casts constantly refer back to this whilst making fun of his age, something that was a critical character point for Ken in P3. It doesn't help when Ken has now become rather shy (unlike his confident self in the original game).
*** While not much of a change, Fuuka has become a little more nervous guiding the PQ team around the labyrinths, a task that in the original game, she was confident with.
*** Averted with Aigis, since her robotic personality has remained the same through both games, though if anything, she is arguably a little more clingy than usual with the P3 Hero.
*** Shinjiro was a cold, aloof character, who from all we know shares a close relationship with Akihiko and occasionally helps with the cooking, something he is very proficient in. In PQ, he might as well be a different character, with his unusual outbursts of challenging Akihiko to pointless, childish challenges, and his sudden outspoken knowledge in the wonderful world of cooking has ultimately made him transition from a ((Tsundere male tsundere)) to a contestant fresh from Hell's Kitchen..
*** Okay, he is a dog, so its really hard to flanderize Koromaru... But through the translations of Aigis, Koro himself has become rather childish and witty when talking to characters like Teddie, nothing like his sincere, pope-like translations in the original game.
** From the P4 Cast:
*** Throughout the P4 Anime, the P4 Hero was a laidback, softly spoken ((PrettyBoy grey haired student) who occasionally dabbles in deadpan sarcasm, and very rarely shows shock in a comical fashion. He is notable a little more talkative in Pq (should you chose the P3 protagonist), shouting his persona summons unlike his p3 counterpart, and 'comforting' his own party with some unneeded, unnecessary deadpan sarcasm.
*** Yosuke was actually a decent, intelligent young man with a strong sense of justice in the original game, with his signature misfortune and goofiness more showing during the more comical scenes. All of this is changed in P4, where like his ((HoYay partner)) he has become much more sarcastic, more prone to causing accidents and has exchanged common sense for some bold stupidity.
*** Chie was the ((Action Girl kung-fu enthusiast)) who has a passion for watching kung-fu movies and eating steak, but these were only a small part of her personality, as Chie had some smarts and a lot of compassion and understanding during the story of P4. While her compassion remains untouched, she might as well be replaced with a bear wearing a Kenpo-gi, as like Akihiko, she states every 10 seconds her admiration for steak, the many steak recipes there are out there, and screaming Kung-fu fighting during battles, or even just plain ol' cutscenes...
*** Yukkiko herself has remained untouched, but her ((LaughingMad laughing fits) to bad jokes has strengthened even further, and more frequently than usual..
*** Like Yukkiko, Rise has also remained the same. However it can be seen as her compassion for the P4 hero may come across as a little too obsessive.
*** Kanji was a character who's insecurities made him a reluctant subject of sexuality-confusion (despite only fearing what others would think of him for having feminine interests). While not a fast thinker, Kanji was still reliably intelligent, understanding situations at the same pace as the other members in the Investigation Team, and spoke in a more considerate, manor. Hell, he even caught on to one of Yosuke's very few gay jokes very quickly, and responded with great wit! Then in comes the PQ Kanji, who's intellect is so low, you would need to question how he can occasionally understand words that have more than 4 syllables. He gets quickly offended over everything, which also doesn't help things when suddenly characters are tossing gay jokes all around the room. He also speaks much more brute-like, and his overall character (even through the more tender scenes) comes across as rather aggressive and scary.
*** Naoto could be considered an inversion of this. Her role in P4 was almost solely an investigator, taking many situations very seriously, showing her other side to herself exclusively during social links. PQ has her still as the intelligent one amongst the P4 party, but she has also become a little bashful and more social to the party.
*** Teddie is perhaps the biggest example. His character development in P4 was incredibly strong, starting out as a scared bear who knew nothing about himself, to becoming a kind hearted yet slightly perverted bear (thanks to Yosuke), to becoming an incredibly tragic character who whilst is a sole focus for comic relief, will ALWAYS place his friends and friends of friends before him. In PQ....you might want to drown him... His ONLY character in this game, is that of a potential ((DateRape stalker)), his bear puns are non stop, and no matter how the others are feeling, he will always jump into the scene, completely ruining the drama with this... character 'development'. It also doesn't help that his stats and skills have classed him as one of the worst party members in PQ, despite the fact in P4 he could be considered as one of the most VALUABLE party members you could have
13th Jan '17 1:16:28 PM THOMASNATOR
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

* Mr Torgue of {{VideoGame/Borderlands}} went from resident lover of all things manly and explosive [[EvenBadMenLoveTheirMamas with a soft spot for his momma]] to a espouser of 'social justice' cliches.
This list shows the last 10 events of 285. Show all.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Flanderization.VideoGames