History Flanderization / ComicBooks

23rd May '17 7:57:11 PM Thranx
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** Contemporary Marvel writers have some fun with this when time-travel shenanigans bring later characters in contact with early Silver Age Hulk. Heroes (and villains) expecting the monosyllabic rage-monster are shocked to meet a gruff, clever Hulk who is functionally equivalent to a stronger, tougher, more devious Ben Grimm.
21st May '17 3:08:22 PM nombretomado
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* Hank Pym (aka ComicBook/AntMan) has suffered from this perhaps more than any other Marvel character. During a single incident in which he was suffering nervous breakdown and had just completed building a robot programmed to kill all of his his friends, [[NeverLiveItDown/ComicBooks Hank struck his wife]], Janet Van Dyne (TheWasp). This immediately had the effect of establishing him in canon both as a wife-beater and severely mentally ill. Dozens of writers over the years have gone back to this time and again, with at least three different stories having been told about the two of them coming to terms with what happened. Hank's remorse is so Flanderized and extreme that he called ''himself'' the Wasp when [[DeathIsCheap she was thought to be dead]].

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* Hank Pym (aka ComicBook/AntMan) has suffered from this perhaps more than any other Marvel character. During a single incident in which he was suffering nervous breakdown and had just completed building a robot programmed to kill all of his his friends, [[NeverLiveItDown/ComicBooks Hank struck his wife]], Janet Van Dyne (TheWasp).(ComicBook/TheWasp). This immediately had the effect of establishing him in canon both as a wife-beater and severely mentally ill. Dozens of writers over the years have gone back to this time and again, with at least three different stories having been told about the two of them coming to terms with what happened. Hank's remorse is so Flanderized and extreme that he called ''himself'' the Wasp when [[DeathIsCheap she was thought to be dead]].
17th Apr '17 7:18:27 PM Game_Fan
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* Hank Pym (aka ComicBook/AntMan) has suffered from this perhaps more than any other Marvel character. During a single incident in which he was suffering a nervous breakdown, [[NeverLiveItDown/ComicBooks Hank struck his wife]], Janet Van Dyne (TheWasp). Dozens of writers over the years have gone back to this time and again, with at least three different stories having been told about the two of them coming to terms with what happened. Hank's remorse is so Flanderized and extreme that he called ''himself'' the Wasp when [[DeathIsCheap she was thought to be dead]]. It's worth noting that both Spider-Man and Mr. Fantastic have hit their significant others in moments of extreme stress. While fans didn't much like either incident, neither character is regarded primarily as a "wife-beater" the way Pym is.

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* Hank Pym (aka ComicBook/AntMan) has suffered from this perhaps more than any other Marvel character. During a single incident in which he was suffering a nervous breakdown, breakdown and had just completed building a robot programmed to kill all of his his friends, [[NeverLiveItDown/ComicBooks Hank struck his wife]], Janet Van Dyne (TheWasp).(TheWasp). This immediately had the effect of establishing him in canon both as a wife-beater and severely mentally ill. Dozens of writers over the years have gone back to this time and again, with at least three different stories having been told about the two of them coming to terms with what happened. Hank's remorse is so Flanderized and extreme that he called ''himself'' the Wasp when [[DeathIsCheap she was thought to be dead]]. It's worth noting that both Spider-Man and Mr. Fantastic have hit their significant others in moments dead]].
** This carries over even to alternate version
of extreme stress. While fans didn't much like either incident, neither character is regarded primarily the character. The Ultimate Universe version of Pym was written as a "wife-beater" the way Pym is.cruel sadist who tortures his wife nearly to death and stole all of his ideas from her.
22nd Jan '17 11:46:09 AM Pinokio
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** A number of writers sadly only ever saw ComicBook/JeanGrey as either the Phoenix or "that cute girl Cyclops and Wolverine fight over." Jean Grey's reputation as the person who [[FirstLawOfResurrection resurrects frequently]] has been further exaggerated, with ''Phoenix Endsong'' demonstrating multiple deaths and resurrections over a few pages, further lampshaded in ''Deadly Genesis'', when Scott and Logan react to the possibility of her resurrection in the same panel. In ''[[ComicBook/AdjectivelessXMen X-Men]]'' vol 4, Jean Grey's DNA becomes a plot point in the creation of a new host for Madelyne Pryor, bringing about another discussion of the possibility of Jean Grey resurrecting.

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** A number of writers sadly only ever saw ComicBook/JeanGrey as either the Phoenix or "that cute girl Cyclops and Wolverine fight over." Jean Grey's reputation as the person who [[FirstLawOfResurrection resurrects frequently]] has been further exaggerated, with ''Phoenix Endsong'' demonstrating multiple deaths and resurrections over a few pages, further lampshaded in ''Deadly Genesis'', when Scott and Logan react to the possibility of her resurrection in the same panel. In ''[[ComicBook/AdjectivelessXMen X-Men]]'' vol 4, the possibility of Jean Grey's Grey resurrecting was further discussed when her DNA becomes became a plot point in the creation of a new host for Madelyne Pryor, bringing about another discussion of the possibility of Jean Grey resurrecting.Pryor.
22nd Jan '17 11:30:11 AM Pinokio
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** The Beast, a bit of a DumbJock in his early appearances, has become more frequently characterized by SesquipedalianLoquaciousness and a handful of catchphrases.
22nd Jan '17 11:02:32 AM Pinokio
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** A number of writers sadly only ever saw ComicBook/JeanGrey as either the Phoenix or "that cute girl Cyclops and Wolverine fight over."

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** A number of writers sadly only ever saw ComicBook/JeanGrey as either the Phoenix or "that cute girl Cyclops and Wolverine fight over." Jean Grey's reputation as the person who [[FirstLawOfResurrection resurrects frequently]] has been further exaggerated, with ''Phoenix Endsong'' demonstrating multiple deaths and resurrections over a few pages, further lampshaded in ''Deadly Genesis'', when Scott and Logan react to the possibility of her resurrection in the same panel. In ''[[ComicBook/AdjectivelessXMen X-Men]]'' vol 4, Jean Grey's DNA becomes a plot point in the creation of a new host for Madelyne Pryor, bringing about another discussion of the possibility of Jean Grey resurrecting.
8th Jan '17 12:29:51 PM nombretomado
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* Creator/AlanMoore's TopTen has [[ShockAndAwe Shock Headed Peter]] who comes off at first as simply a prejudiced working class cop who actually has some character depth to a 2-D {{Straw|Character}} [[FantasticRacism Robo-Racist]] when a Robot character gets introduced to Precinct 10.
* ''TheUltimates'' have been criticized for being an extreme Flanderization of the Avengers. In their initial run, Creator/MarkMillar tended to take the most famous aspects of each Avenger -- ComicBook/{{Cap|tainAmerica}} being of the '40s, [[Comicbook/IronMan Tony]]'s hedonism, [[ComicBook/AntMan Pym]] slapping Janet, [[ComicBook/TheWasp Jan]] being slapped by Pym, [[Comicbook/IncredibleHulk Hulk]]'s rage, etc. -- and amplified them all several times over: Cap was painfully old-fashioned in speech and social views, Tony was always drinking and/or flirting with some blonde, Pym was a textbook wife-beater, Jan was a textbook battered wife, and Hulk was a murdering cannibal. This went into overdrive when Creator/JephLoeb took over the third volume. Tony was always in a drunken stupor and Cap spontaneously picked fights over [[ComicBook/ScarletWitch Wanda]]'s choice of attire.

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* Creator/AlanMoore's TopTen ''ComicBook/TopTen'' has [[ShockAndAwe Shock Headed Peter]] who comes off at first as simply a prejudiced working class cop who actually has some character depth to a 2-D {{Straw|Character}} [[FantasticRacism Robo-Racist]] when a Robot character gets introduced to Precinct 10.
* ''TheUltimates'' ''ComicBook/TheUltimates'' have been criticized for being an extreme Flanderization of the Avengers. In their initial run, Creator/MarkMillar tended to take the most famous aspects of each Avenger -- ComicBook/{{Cap|tainAmerica}} being of the '40s, [[Comicbook/IronMan Tony]]'s hedonism, [[ComicBook/AntMan Pym]] slapping Janet, [[ComicBook/TheWasp Jan]] being slapped by Pym, [[Comicbook/IncredibleHulk Hulk]]'s rage, etc. -- and amplified them all several times over: Cap was painfully old-fashioned in speech and social views, Tony was always drinking and/or flirting with some blonde, Pym was a textbook wife-beater, Jan was a textbook battered wife, and Hulk was a murdering cannibal. This went into overdrive when Creator/JephLoeb took over the third volume. Tony was always in a drunken stupor and Cap spontaneously picked fights over [[ComicBook/ScarletWitch Wanda]]'s choice of attire.
11th Dec '16 2:49:53 PM Morgenthaler
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** Sonic's attitude has been cranked UpToEleven, to the point where he's making wisecracks during a battle with Enerjak, a being with seemingly limitless energy (though this may have been more for comic relief than anything, it was a tad excessive). [[TropesAreTools To be fair]], though, it seems to have slightly boosted his {{Badass}}-ness--at the cost of emotion (again, though, to be fair, he never really showed much emotion anyway). The part about emotion is slowly being subverted as of #200; ever since Sonic's apparently driven Robotnik totally, droolingly insane, he seems to actually regret having broken down the guy so completely.

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** Sonic's attitude has been cranked UpToEleven, to the point where he's making wisecracks during a battle with Enerjak, a being with seemingly limitless energy (though this may have been more for comic relief than anything, it was a tad excessive). [[TropesAreTools To be fair]], though, it seems to have slightly boosted his {{Badass}}-ness--at badassness--at the cost of emotion (again, though, to be fair, he never really showed much emotion anyway). The part about emotion is slowly being subverted as of #200; ever since Sonic's apparently driven Robotnik totally, droolingly insane, he seems to actually regret having broken down the guy so completely.



** ComicBook/{{Wolverine}} is a case study. During the [[TheEighties '80s]] considerable CharacterDevelopment evolved the character from a one-note {{Jerkass}} prone to UnstoppableRage to a wise, intelligent, multitalented, and skilled warrior/mentor (with just enough issues to avoid CanonSue status). Then he [[PopularityPower got popular]] and the LowestCommonDenominator of Captain Fuzzity [=McStabStab=] won out [[WolverinePublicity with all the guest-shots]] even as they ramped his HealingFactor to UpToEleven, making him pretty much the definition of a CanonSue. [[EnsembleDarkhorse And he's still the most popular character of the whole franchise]]. Because being {{Badass}} is the ''only'' thing he seems to need. And while his edges seem to have been smothed in the ''X-Men'' comics, buzz has it as of SDCC '13 that they're going to do a major story where his killing tendencies threaten his place in the Avengers.\\\

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** ComicBook/{{Wolverine}} is a case study. During the [[TheEighties '80s]] considerable CharacterDevelopment evolved the character from a one-note {{Jerkass}} prone to UnstoppableRage to a wise, intelligent, multitalented, and skilled warrior/mentor (with just enough issues to avoid CanonSue status). Then he [[PopularityPower got popular]] and the LowestCommonDenominator of Captain Fuzzity [=McStabStab=] won out [[WolverinePublicity with all the guest-shots]] even as they ramped his HealingFactor to UpToEleven, making him pretty much the definition of a CanonSue. [[EnsembleDarkhorse And he's still the most popular character of the whole franchise]]. Because being {{Badass}} badass is the ''only'' thing he seems to need. And while his edges seem to have been smothed in the ''X-Men'' comics, buzz has it as of SDCC '13 that they're going to do a major story where his killing tendencies threaten his place in the Avengers.\\\
10th Oct '16 11:36:01 PM timotaka
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* The {{Comicbook/Venom}} symbiotes that most often show up in connection to [[Franchise/SpiderMan Spider-Man]] have been established as having a vulnerability to fire and sonic attacks. When the latter was first used, it required a sonic emitter built by Reed Richards for this specific purpose. Over time this vulnerability has been exaggerated to the point that any loud noise can repel a symbiote. As for fire, at its worst the mere presence of a single lit lighter has been able to drive a symbiote away.
5th Oct '16 9:35:02 AM XSpectreGreyX
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** Jim Gordon when he became Batman. So y'know how 90% of the time Jim is okay with vigilantes who don't kill? How he's worked with Batman for years and is actually ''friendly'' with him, as well as the other Batfamily members? And how he only frowns on vigilantes who kill or got oo far? Well when he's Batman, he hates all vigilantes in Gotham because he's a cop. Heck, "cop" is his defining trait, and actually the only noticeable one aside from the typical "I have to be Batman my own way" shtick that ''every'' Batman successor goes through.
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