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11th Apr '16 4:05:18 PM ading
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** When he was originally conceived, "faster than a speeding bullet! More powerful than a locomotive! Able to leap tall buildings in a single bound!" was ''the full'' list of Superman's powers. Now he's a PhysicalGod who can break the laws of physics on a whim and has more powers in his ''eyes'' than most superheroes have in ''total''.
14th Feb '16 11:55:29 AM Anddrix
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** SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker has gone through this. Originally he was just a very wily criminal whose modus operandi was little more than "shits and giggles". Then came the Dark Age of comic books, and all of a sudden the Joker is the Yin to Batman's Yang, with just about every story over the last 20-plus years being about his feud with the Caped Crusader. You'd be hard-pressed to find a story involving the Joker committing a crime that ''wasn't'' meant to be an attack on Batman, the one exception being his corruption of Harley Quinn. In the ComicBook/{{New 52}}, the Joker's clown aspect has been dropped completely and his characterization can be summed up as "Batman's Arch Nemesis"

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** SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker ComicBook/TheJoker has gone through this. Originally he was just a very wily criminal whose modus operandi was little more than "shits and giggles". Then came the Dark Age of comic books, and all of a sudden the Joker is the Yin to Batman's Yang, with just about every story over the last 20-plus years being about his feud with the Caped Crusader. You'd be hard-pressed to find a story involving the Joker committing a crime that ''wasn't'' meant to be an attack on Batman, the one exception being his corruption of Harley Quinn. In the ComicBook/{{New 52}}, the Joker's clown aspect has been dropped completely and his characterization can be summed up as "Batman's Arch Nemesis"
27th Oct '15 6:19:27 AM Blazer
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** Killer Moth ''suffered'' because of this trope. When he first appeared, Killer Moth was more or less the EvilCounterpart of Batman, despite his bright, gaudy costume. An evil criminal mastermind that everyone turned to for help, he was quite the threat. Then ComicBook/{{Batgirl}} showed up. They needed someone to show that Batgirl was a worthy addition to the Bat-Family and chose Moth as the target. However, being beaten by an untrained beginner vigilante who only showed up because of sheer circumstance turned Moth into the laughingstock of the Bat-Rogues almost ''immediately.'' Suddenly, Killer Moth went from "Batman's equal" to "pathetic nobody". They tried to salvage his character in the 90s by trying to turn him into a FromNobodyToNightmare by transforming him into Charaxas during ''ComicBook/UnderworldUnleashed'', but it didn't stick, ultimately being killed by Superboy-Prime in ''ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis''. Even other adaptations such as ''WesternAnimation/TheBatman'' and ''[[VideoGame/LEGOAdaptationSeries LEGO Batman 3]]'' wouldn't be kind to him.

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** Killer Moth ''suffered'' because of this trope. When he first appeared, Killer Moth was more or less the EvilCounterpart of Batman, despite his bright, gaudy costume. An evil criminal mastermind that everyone turned to for help, he was quite the threat. Then ComicBook/{{Batgirl}} showed up. They needed someone to show that Batgirl was a worthy addition to the Bat-Family and chose Moth as the target. However, being beaten by an untrained beginner vigilante who only showed up because of sheer circumstance turned Moth into the laughingstock of the Bat-Rogues almost ''immediately.'' Suddenly, Killer Moth went from "Batman's equal" to "pathetic nobody". They tried to salvage his character in the 90s by trying to turn him into a FromNobodyToNightmare by transforming him into Charaxas during ''ComicBook/UnderworldUnleashed'', but it didn't stick, ultimately being killed by Superboy-Prime in ''ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis''. Even other adaptations such as ''WesternAnimation/TheBatman'' and ''[[VideoGame/LEGOAdaptationSeries ''[[VideoGame/LEGOAdaptationGame LEGO Batman 3]]'' wouldn't be kind to him.
27th Oct '15 6:18:22 AM Blazer
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** Killer Moth ''suffered'' because of this trope. When he first appeared, Killer Moth was more or less the EvilCounterpart of Batman, despite his bright, gaudy costume. An evil criminal mastermind that everyone turned to for help, he was quite the threat. Then ComicBook/{{Batgirl}} showed up. They needed someone to show that Batgirl was a worthy addition to the Bat-Family and chose Moth as the target. However, being beaten by an untrained beginner vigilante who only showed up because of sheer circumstance turned Moth into the laughingstock of the Bat-Rogues almost ''immediately.'' Suddenly, Killer Moth went from "Batman's equal" to "pathetic nobody". They tried to salvage his character in the 90s by trying to turn him into a FromNobodyToNightmare by transforming him into Charaxas during ''ComicBook/UnderworldUnleashed'', but it didn't stick, ultimately being killed by Superboy-Prime in ''ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis''. Even other adaptations such as ''WesternAnimation/TheBatman'' and ''[[VideoGame/LEGOAdaptationSeries LEGO Batman 3]]'' wouldn't be kind to him.
9th Oct '15 12:22:44 PM StFan
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** SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker has gone through this. Originally he was just a very wily criminal whose modus operandi was little more than "shits and giggles". Then came the Dark Age of comic books, and all of a sudden the Joker is the Yin to Batman's Yang, with just about every story over the last 20-plus years being about his feud with the Caped Crusader. You'd be hard-pressed to find a story involving the Joker committing a crime that ''wasn't'' meant to be an attack on Batman, the one exception being his corruption of Harley Quinn. In TheNew52, the Joker's clown aspect has been dropped completely and his characterisation can be summed up as "Batman's Arch Nemesis"

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** SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker has gone through this. Originally he was just a very wily criminal whose modus operandi was little more than "shits and giggles". Then came the Dark Age of comic books, and all of a sudden the Joker is the Yin to Batman's Yang, with just about every story over the last 20-plus years being about his feud with the Caped Crusader. You'd be hard-pressed to find a story involving the Joker committing a crime that ''wasn't'' meant to be an attack on Batman, the one exception being his corruption of Harley Quinn. In TheNew52, the ComicBook/{{New 52}}, the Joker's clown aspect has been dropped completely and his characterisation characterization can be summed up as "Batman's Arch Nemesis"
4th Oct '15 11:07:05 AM nombretomado
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** In 1983, Batman quit the Franchise/{{Justice League|of America}} and created a new team called the Outsiders after Superman saying he would not lead the League in saving Lucius Fox from being a hostage in a far away country for diplomatic reasons, and this lead to a dynamic within the DC Multiverse wherein Batman would be portrayed as a maverick and Superman a boy scout. While they patched things up later that year, 1986's ''TheDarkKnightReturns'' (which took place in a possible future) made Batman the ultimate outlaw anti-hero, and Superman a tool for the UsefulNotes/RonaldReagan of every political cartoon of the '80s. In the revised DC Universe, DC ran with this dynamic of Superman and Batman being at odds for about a decade before it just kind-of ran out of steam, though the recent ''Batman/Superman'' title and other Comicbook/{{New 52}} material revisited it.

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** In 1983, Batman quit the Franchise/{{Justice League|of America}} and created a new team called the Outsiders after Superman saying he would not lead the League in saving Lucius Fox from being a hostage in a far away country for diplomatic reasons, and this lead to a dynamic within the DC Multiverse wherein Batman would be portrayed as a maverick and Superman a boy scout. While they patched things up later that year, 1986's ''TheDarkKnightReturns'' ''ComicBook/BatmanTheDarkKnightReturns'' (which took place in a possible future) made Batman the ultimate outlaw anti-hero, and Superman a tool for the UsefulNotes/RonaldReagan of every political cartoon of the '80s. In the revised DC Universe, DC ran with this dynamic of Superman and Batman being at odds for about a decade before it just kind-of ran out of steam, though the recent ''Batman/Superman'' title and other Comicbook/{{New 52}} material revisited it.
20th Sep '15 10:00:29 PM PaulA
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** Also when he was first introduced, he was a real scrapper and not afraid to get in the face of authority figures. That changed around UsefulNotes/WorldWarII along with Batman, however by the end of the fifties, he was flanderized into the ultimate boy scout and establishment figure. By the '80s, he'd become somewhat more morally ambiguous and a bit more cynical about people in power, especially after the ''ManOfSteel'' reboot.

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** Also when he was first introduced, he was a real scrapper and not afraid to get in the face of authority figures. That changed around UsefulNotes/WorldWarII along with Batman, however by the end of the fifties, he was flanderized into the ultimate boy scout and establishment figure. By the '80s, he'd become somewhat more morally ambiguous and a bit more cynical about people in power, especially after the ''ManOfSteel'' ''ComicBook/TheManOfSteel'' reboot.
17th Sep '15 12:07:01 PM flyingfishcake
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* ''Starfire'' of Comicbook/TeenTitans fame was a sexually liberated and emotionally open alien who celebrated free will, expression of love, and monogamous relationships. In Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws, she's a nymphomaniac with no memory or cognition, and is frequently used as [[MsFanservice titillation]].
9th Sep '15 7:30:59 AM StFan
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** To a lesser extent, Stephanie Brown started off as a somewhat cynical and troubled girl with low self esteem who was also fairly snarky and a little quirky, but through character development she learnt to let go of her troubles and focus on the positives, but was still constantly facing painful troubles. [[{{Batgirl 2009}} By the time she became the new Batgirl]], though, she became known as 'the fun one' of the Bat family, being full of hope regardless of what the family faces. In a case of TropesAreNotBad, most fans generally ''like'' this move, and enjoy the fact it makes Steph stand out among the OFTEN troubled and angsty members of the Bat Family.

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** To a lesser extent, Stephanie Brown started off as a somewhat cynical and troubled girl with low self esteem who was also fairly snarky and a little quirky, but through character development she learnt to let go of her troubles and focus on the positives, but was still constantly facing painful troubles. [[{{Batgirl [[ComicBook/{{Batgirl 2009}} By the time she became the new Batgirl]], though, she became known as 'the fun one' of the Bat family, being full of hope regardless of what the family faces. In a case of TropesAreNotBad, most fans generally ''like'' this move, and enjoy the fact it makes Steph stand out among the OFTEN troubled and angsty members of the Bat Family.
22nd Aug '15 11:55:49 AM Austin
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** The Joker has gone through this. Originally he was just a very wily criminal whose modus operandi was little more than "shits and giggles". Then came the Dark Age of comic books, and all of a sudden the Joker is the Yin to Batman's Yang, with just about every story over the last 20-plus years being about his feud with the Caped Crusader. You'd be hard-pressed to find a story involving the Joker committing a crime that ''wasn't'' meant to be an attack on Batman, the one exception being his corruption of Harley Quinn. In TheNew52, the Joker's clown aspect has been dropped completely and his characterisation can be summed up as "Batman's Arch Nemesis"

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** The Joker SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker has gone through this. Originally he was just a very wily criminal whose modus operandi was little more than "shits and giggles". Then came the Dark Age of comic books, and all of a sudden the Joker is the Yin to Batman's Yang, with just about every story over the last 20-plus years being about his feud with the Caped Crusader. You'd be hard-pressed to find a story involving the Joker committing a crime that ''wasn't'' meant to be an attack on Batman, the one exception being his corruption of Harley Quinn. In TheNew52, the Joker's clown aspect has been dropped completely and his characterisation can be summed up as "Batman's Arch Nemesis"



** A number of writers sadly only ever saw Jean Grey as either the Phoenix or "that cute girl Cyclops and Wolverine fight over."

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** A number of writers sadly only ever saw Jean Grey ComicBook/JeanGrey as either the Phoenix or "that cute girl Cyclops and Wolverine fight over."
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