History Flanderization / ComicBooks

3rd Jun '18 11:09:20 PM StrixObscuro
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* ''ComicBook/{{Runaways}}'' has suffered a few cases of this over the years:
** In the second series, Nico struggled to adjust to leadership, and the stress of trying to lead a team that had deliberately been designed to be dysfunctional caused her to do rash things like kiss Chase or make a deal with her evil ancestor to gain more control over her powers. When the third series came around, the writers made her increasingly Machiavellian, willing to use magic on her own teammates to control them. On the other hand, after ''ComicBook/AvengersArena'', in which Nico lost her arm and developed PTSD, writers began moving in the opposite direction, with her constantly doubting herself.
** In the first two series, Molly was childish, as one might expect from an 11-year-old, but also intelligent, often managing to outwit other people. Around the time of the third series, the "intelligent" part went away and she simply became childish.
** Klara's unfamiliarity with modern culture has been exaggerated to the point where she once mistook Tigra for a prostitute. Over the years, she has also gradually transformed from a mostly-sane little girl who had trouble reconciling her religious beliefs with the reality of her life to a dangerously mentally-ill CreepyChild.
18th May '18 1:11:34 PM 64SuperNintendo
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* ComicBook/LuckyLuke: Jolly jumper, while capable of some impressive feats, was actually just a normal horse during the early comics and drawn as [[http://forbiddenplanet.blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/IMG_00024.jpg such]]. His intelligence got more and more played up once ReneGoscinny took over the writing, eventually leading to him being given a much more [[https://i.pinimg.com/736x/af/06/59/af06594c05778071fd1268d9921177db--lucky-luke-memorie.jpg cartoony]] look, capable of [[TalkingAnimal Animal speech]] and feats no normal horse should be capable of.

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* ComicBook/LuckyLuke: Jolly jumper, Jumper, while capable of some impressive feats, was actually just a normal horse during the early comics and drawn as [[http://forbiddenplanet.blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/IMG_00024.jpg such]]. His intelligence got more and more played up once ReneGoscinny took over the writing, eventually leading to him being given a much more [[https://i.pinimg.com/736x/af/06/59/af06594c05778071fd1268d9921177db--lucky-luke-memorie.jpg cartoony]] look, capable of [[TalkingAnimal Animal speech]] and feats no normal horse should be capable of.
8th Mar '18 9:31:37 AM BatmanKalEl
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** Speaking of [[ComicBook/{{Nightwing}} Richard "Dick" Grayson]], his ChickMagnet and MrFanservice status has been exaggerated more and more over the course of the years.
4th Mar '18 3:30:00 AM fighwitt
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* Considering how often Cyclops and Havok end up fighting one another, they sometimes get Flanderized into being locked in an eternal CainAndAbel, being unable to abide one another at the best of times and one of them being a super-villain (usually Havok) at worst. This portrayal appears in the Ultimate, Legends, and Misfits universes, where (unlike their 616 counterparts) they don't need the influence of any psychic brainwashing to bait them into fighting.

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* ** Considering how often Cyclops and Havok end up fighting one another, they sometimes get Flanderized into being locked in an eternal CainAndAbel, being unable to abide one another at the best of times and one of them being a super-villain (usually Havok) at worst. This portrayal appears in the Ultimate, Legends, and Misfits universes, where (unlike their 616 counterparts) they don't need the influence of any psychic brainwashing to bait them into fighting.
4th Mar '18 3:29:12 AM fighwitt
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** In 1983, Batman quit the Franchise/{{Justice League|of America}} and created a new team called the Outsiders after Superman saying he would not lead the League in saving Lucius Fox from being a hostage in a far away country for diplomatic reasons, and this lead to a dynamic within the DC Multiverse wherein Batman would be portrayed as a maverick and Superman a boy scout. While they patched things up later that year, 1986's ''ComicBook/BatmanTheDarkKnightReturns'' (which took place in a possible future) made Batman the ultimate outlaw anti-hero, and Superman a tool for the UsefulNotes/RonaldReagan of every political cartoon of the '80s. In the revised DC Universe, DC ran with this dynamic of Superman and Batman being at odds for about a decade before it just kind-of ran out of steam, though the recent ''Batman/Superman'' title and other Comicbook/{{New 52}} material revisited it.

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** In 1983, Batman quit the Franchise/{{Justice League|of America}} and created a new team called the Outsiders after Superman saying he would not lead the League in saving Lucius Fox from being a hostage in a far away country for diplomatic reasons, and this lead to a dynamic within the DC Multiverse wherein Batman would be portrayed as a maverick and Superman a boy scout. While they patched things up later that year, 1986's ''ComicBook/BatmanTheDarkKnightReturns'' (which took place in a possible future) made Batman the ultimate outlaw anti-hero, and Superman a tool for the UsefulNotes/RonaldReagan of every political cartoon of the '80s. In the revised DC Universe, DC ran with this dynamic of Superman and Batman being at odds for about a decade before it just kind-of ran out of steam, though the recent ''Batman/Superman'' title and other Comicbook/{{New 52}} material revisited it.



* Considering how often ComicBook/{{Cyclops}} and Havok end up fighting one another, they sometimes get Flanderized into being locked in an eternal CainAndAbel, being unable to abide one another at the best of times and one of them being a super-villain (usually Havok, but more recently Cyclops) at worst. This portrayal appears in the Ultimate, Legends, and Misfits universes, where (unlike their 616 counterparts) they don't need the influence of any psychic brainwashing to bait them into fighting.
* During Joe Kelly's run, SelfDemonstrating/{{Deadpool}} was a talkative loon full of bad jokes and other wackiness. However he was also portrayed as a total psychotic with a loose, at best, grasp of sanity. All the wackiness was a cover to hide his immense mental problems and self-loathing and just the slightest nudge could send him over the edge in a violent, unsettling rage. Most subsequent writers pretty much ignore the latter part and play him up as little more than a goofy comedy character. That being said, [[TropesAreTools the character's popularity has, if anything, skyrocketed]] since his flanderization and his flanderized version has since become his more iconic and well-recognized version. It helps that Marvel already has characters to fill the [[{{Wolverine}} Canadian with Rage Issues, Regenerating Healing Powers, and a convoluted backstory complicated by Swiss-Cheese Memory]], and [[Franchise/SpiderMan a flamboyant joke-cracker in a red costume, whose snark covers up his inner angst]] roles. On the other hand, the Duggen[=/=]Posehn run has achieved no small amount of acclaim for its CharacterRerailment, which came at a time when Deadpool's "wacky all the time" shtick was considered to have gone stale.

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* Considering how often ComicBook/{{Cyclops}} and Havok end up fighting one another, they sometimes get Flanderized into being locked in an eternal CainAndAbel, being unable to abide one another at the best of times and one of them being a super-villain (usually Havok, but more recently Cyclops) at worst. This portrayal appears in the Ultimate, Legends, and Misfits universes, where (unlike their 616 counterparts) they don't need the influence of any psychic brainwashing to bait them into fighting.
* During Joe Kelly's run, SelfDemonstrating/{{Deadpool}} was a talkative loon full of bad jokes and other wackiness. However he was also portrayed as a total psychotic with a loose, at best, grasp of sanity. All the wackiness was a cover to hide his immense mental problems and self-loathing and just the slightest nudge could send him over the edge in a violent, unsettling rage. Most subsequent writers pretty much ignore the latter part and play him up as little more than a goofy comedy character. That being said, [[TropesAreTools the character's popularity has, if anything, skyrocketed]] since his flanderization and his flanderized version has since become his more iconic and well-recognized version. It helps that Marvel already has characters to fill the [[{{Wolverine}} [[ComicBook/{{Wolverine}} Canadian with Rage Issues, Regenerating Healing Powers, and a convoluted backstory complicated by Swiss-Cheese Memory]], and [[Franchise/SpiderMan a flamboyant joke-cracker in a red costume, whose snark covers up his inner angst]] roles. On the other hand, the Duggen[=/=]Posehn run has achieved no small amount of acclaim for its CharacterRerailment, which came at a time when Deadpool's "wacky all the time" shtick was considered to have gone stale.



* [[Franchise/WonderWoman Wonder Woman's]] willingness to kill got this when the New 52 reboot happened. Before she was willing to kill, but only in extreme circumstances where she had literally no other choice. In the New 52, DC cranked this up to ridiculous degrees, with her casually killing villains she fights and actually ''gloating'' about doing so to another superhero. This has had the effect of making it hard to believe that she would ever be made part of the Justice League, let alone allowed to continue operating; all of the other heroes retained their beliefs in no-killing or only killing when necessary.
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* [[Franchise/WonderWoman ''Franchise/WonderWoman'': Wonder Woman's]] Woman's willingness to kill got this when the New 52 reboot happened. Before she was willing to kill, but only in extreme circumstances where she had literally no other choice. In the New 52, DC cranked this up to ridiculous degrees, with her casually killing villains she fights and actually ''gloating'' about doing so to another superhero. This has had the effect of making it hard to believe that she would ever be made part of the Justice League, let alone allowed to continue operating; all of the other heroes retained their beliefs in no-killing or only killing when necessary.
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** Cyclops has suffered this himself over the years. He was always a little aloof and had some trouble socializing with those around him, he even had trouble telling Jean Grey, the woman he loved, how he felt even after they hooked up, and he was always under a ton of pressure that some times caused him to chew people out, but he was always had the best intentions for those around him and just wanted to keep his friends and loved ones safe as they fought for a better world. And then some very, very, ''very'' bad stories happened to him and as time went by more and more writers - and fans - came to see him as just being "that jerk who isn't Wolverine." Some writers do remember to give him positive traits from time to time though.

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** Cyclops ComicBook/{{Cyclops}} has suffered this himself over the years. He was always a little aloof and had some trouble socializing with those around him, he even had trouble telling Jean Grey, the woman he loved, how he felt even after they hooked up, and he was always under a ton of pressure that some times caused him to chew people out, but he was always had the best intentions for those around him and just wanted to keep his friends and loved ones safe as they fought for a better world. And then some very, very, ''very'' bad stories happened to him and as time went by more and more writers - and fans - came to see him as just being "that insanely repressed jerk who isn't Wolverine." Some writers do remember to give him positive traits from time to time though.


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* Considering how often Cyclops and Havok end up fighting one another, they sometimes get Flanderized into being locked in an eternal CainAndAbel, being unable to abide one another at the best of times and one of them being a super-villain (usually Havok) at worst. This portrayal appears in the Ultimate, Legends, and Misfits universes, where (unlike their 616 counterparts) they don't need the influence of any psychic brainwashing to bait them into fighting.
3rd Mar '18 9:09:46 AM Hello9876
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** While Jason Todd's pre-Flashpoint self used guns as a means to an end, the New 52 and Rebirth version seems to be [[GunNut obsessed with them]], flashing them out in every instance, whether he's looking to kill or not. This is usually accompanied by him either narrating that he's using rubber bullets or taking nonlethal shots, or by loudly boasting about all the upgrades he's made to his guns. Furthermore, his grudge against Batman has devolved from opposition to his nonlethal philosophy on fighting crime, to desperately seeking out [[WellDoneSonGuy his approval]]. As of Rebirth, this attitude has extended towards Nightwing as well.
12th Feb '18 1:36:30 PM MadAnthony94
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** Speaking of which, Harley Quinn. While always a bit ditzy, over time she's become a GenkiGirl who's nearly as insane as the Joker. Meanwhile, her attire has become increasingly {{Stripperiffic}} to match the PerverseSexualLust her fanbase has towards her. It's to the point that works like ''Gods and Monsters'' and ''Batman: White Knight'' will poke fun at how different the character is from what she started as.
2nd Feb '18 4:31:36 PM zealots
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** [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/XMenRoguesGallery Mr. Sinister]] is an interesting case. Originally introduced by Creator/ChrisClaremont as something of an evil cipher, little was known about Sinister other than that he was a MadScientist and that he was obsessed with Cyclops for some reason. Claremont had originally planned for a long, drawn-out reveal (in his [[KudzuPlot usual style]]) that would have established Sinister as an 8 year old boy with the mutant power of aging very, very slowly -- as in, he was already over 100 years old when he was in the orphanage with Scott despite his body still being 8 -- using the Sinister persona as a front. Claremont's abrupt departure shelved this plan, and so a new origin story was created for Sinister, one in which he was a scientist from Victorian England granted power and immortality by perennial X-Men BigBad ComicBook/{{Apocalypse}}.. This new origin story portrayed him as something of a TragicVillain, and most of the stories of the time followed suit to greater or lesser degrees. But beginning with 2002's ''Weapon X'' a new interpretation for Sinister was introduced, one which hewed closer to the Claremontian Mad Scientist but also cranked his evil quotient UpToEleven by making him an {{Expy}} of infamous Nazi scientist Josef Mengele. Since that time Sinister's become increasingly more affiliated with the Nazi regime, increasingly more [[NaziNobleman Nazi-like in general], and increasingly more prone to playing the PoliticallyIncorrectVillain.

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** [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/XMenRoguesGallery [[Characters/XMenRoguesGallery Mr. Sinister]] is an interesting case. Originally introduced by Creator/ChrisClaremont as something of an evil cipher, little was known about Sinister other than that he was a MadScientist and that he was obsessed with Cyclops for some reason. Claremont had originally planned for a long, drawn-out reveal (in his [[KudzuPlot usual style]]) that would have established Sinister as an 8 year old boy with the mutant power of aging very, very slowly -- as in, he was already over 100 years old when he was in the orphanage with Scott despite his body still being 8 -- using the Sinister persona as a front. Claremont's abrupt departure shelved this plan, and so a new origin story was created for Sinister, one in which he was a scientist from Victorian England granted power and immortality by perennial X-Men BigBad ComicBook/{{Apocalypse}}.. This new origin story portrayed him as something of a TragicVillain, and most of the stories of the time followed suit to greater or lesser degrees. But beginning with 2002's ''Weapon X'' a new interpretation for Sinister was introduced, one which hewed closer to the Claremontian Mad Scientist but also cranked his evil quotient UpToEleven by making him an {{Expy}} of infamous Nazi scientist Josef Mengele. Since that time Sinister's become increasingly more affiliated with the Nazi regime, increasingly more [[NaziNobleman Nazi-like in general], general]], and increasingly more prone to playing the PoliticallyIncorrectVillain.
2nd Feb '18 4:29:01 PM zealots
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** The Guardians Of The Universe have always been distant and aloof, but were once wise and respected, having created [[SpacePolice an organization of star-patrolling peacekeepers]] that has survived for eons. With each passing year though, they become more incompetent, single-minded, and corrupt, lying to their members, holding their own mysterious agendas, and constantly having their mistakes blow up in the faces and inevitably needing to be saved by the Earth Lanterns (and then clearly resenting the aid). One comic even had a Guardian admit he didn't remember why they started the Corp in the first place. By this point, it's a genuine curiosity how they got an organization as advanced and well-functioning as the Green Lanterns working outside of dumb luck.

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** The Guardians Of The Universe have always been distant and aloof, but were once wise and respected, having created [[SpacePolice an organization of star-patrolling peacekeepers]] that has survived for eons. With each passing year though, they become more incompetent, single-minded, and corrupt, lying to their members, holding their own mysterious agendas, and constantly having their mistakes blow up in the faces and inevitably needing to be saved by the Earth Lanterns (and then clearly resenting the aid). One comic even had a Guardian admit he didn't remember why they started the Corp in the first place. By this point, it's a genuine curiosity how they got an organization as advanced and well-functioning as the Green Lanterns working outside of dumb luck. This could be unintentional FridgeBrilliance, as the Guardians are literally as old as the universe itself and ''long'' overdue to losing their wits to old age.



* [[Comicbook/IncredibleHulk The Hulk's]] raw power has been exaggerated to the point that he might as well just be a [[Anime/DragonBallZ Super Saiyan.]] In his first appearance Hulk was perfectly capable of fluent speech and clear-minded reasoning. Over the years the "dumb" part of DumbMuscle got amplified along with the "muscle", until we reach the iconic "HULK SMASH!" levels. Then, Creator/PeterDavid got the idea of explaining this as two different facets of Bruce Banner's fractured mind manifesting in different types of Hulk. How his level of strength tends to be inversely proportional to his intelligence has been explained by that his ability to reason tends to put limits to how much pure rage he can build up.

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* [[Comicbook/IncredibleHulk The Hulk's]] raw power has been exaggerated to the point that he might as well just be a [[Anime/DragonBallZ Super Saiyan.]] In his first appearance Hulk was perfectly capable of fluent speech and clear-minded reasoning. Over the years the "dumb" part of DumbMuscle got amplified along with the "muscle", until we reach the iconic "HULK SMASH!" levels. Then, Creator/PeterDavid got the idea of explaining this as two different facets of Bruce Banner's fractured mind manifesting in different types of Hulk. How his level of strength tends to be inversely proportional to his intelligence has been explained by that his ability to reason tends to put limits to how much pure rage he can build up. An alternate universe supervillain, the Maestro, was even created out of the idea of "what if the Hulk stopped caring about holding back, then lived for a hundred years?"



** [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/XMenRoguesGallery Mr. Sinister]] is an interesting case. Originally introduced by Creator/ChrisClaremont as something of an evil cipher, little was known about Sinister other than that he was a MadScientist and that he was obsessed with Cyclops for some reason. Claremont had originally planned for a long, drawn-out reveal (in his [[KudzuPlot usual style]]) that would have established Sinister as an 8 year old boy with the mutant power of aging very, very slowly -- as in, he was already over 100 years old when he was in the orphanage with Scott despite his body still being 8 -- using the Sinister persona as a front. Claremont's abrupt departure shelved this plan, and so a new origin story was created for Sinister, one in which he was a scientist from Victorian England granted power and immortality by perennial X-Men BigBad ComicBook/{{Apocalypse}}.. This new origin story portrayed him as something of a TragicVillain, and most of the stories of the time followed suit to greater or lesser degrees. But beginning with 2002's ''Weapon X'' a new interpretation for Sinister was introduced, one which hewed closer to the Claremontian Mad Scientist but also cranked his evil quotient UpToEleven by making him an {{Expy}} of infamous Nazi scientist Josef Mengele. Since that time Sinister's become increasingly more affiliated with the Nazi regime, increasingly more [[NaziNobleman Nazi-like in general], and increasingly more prone to playing the PoliticallyIncorrectVillain.



** [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/XMenRoguesGallery Mr. Sinister]] is an interesting case. Originally introduced by Creator/ChrisClaremont as something of an evil cipher, little was known about Sinister other than that he was a MadScientist and that he was obsessed with Cyclops for some reason. Claremont had originally planned for a long, drawn-out reveal (in his [[KudzuPlot usual style]]) that would have established Sinister as an 8 year old boy with the mutant power of aging very, very slowly -- as in, he was already over 100 years old when he was in the orphanage with Scott despite his body still being 8 -- using the Sinister persona as a front. Claremont's abrupt departure shelved this plan, and so a new origin story was created for Sinister, one in which he was a scientist from Victorian England granted power and immortality by perennial X-Men BigBad ComicBook/{{Apocalypse}}.. This new origin story portrayed him as something of a TragicVillain, and most of the stories of the time followed suit to greater or lesser degrees. But beginning with 2002's ''Weapon X'' a new interpretation for Sinister was introduced, one which hewed closer to the Claremontian Mad Scientist but also cranked his evil quotient UpToEleven by making him an {{Expy}} of infamous Nazi scientist Josef Mengele. Since that time Sinister's become increasingly more affiliated with the Nazi regime, increasingly more [[NaziNobleman Nazi-like in general], and increasingly more prone to playing the PoliticallyIncorrectVillain.
2nd Feb '18 4:22:58 PM zealots
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** [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/XMenRoguesGallery Mr. Sinister]] is an interesting case. Originally introduced by Creator/ChrisClaremont as something of an evil cipher, little was known about Sinister other than that he was a MadScientist and that he was obsessed with Cyclops for some reason. Claremont had originally planned for a long, drawn-out reveal (in his [[KudzuPlot usual style]]) that would have established Sinister as an 8 year old boy with the mutant power of aging very, very slowly -- as in, he was already over 100 years old when he was in the orphanage with Scott despite his body still being 8 -- using the Sinister persona as a front. Claremont's abrupt departure shelved this plan, and so a new origin story was created for Sinister, one in which he was a scientist from Victorian England granted power and immortality by perennial X-Men BigBad ComicBook/{{Apocalypse}}.. This new origin story portrayed him as something of a TragicVillain, and most of the stories of the time followed suit to greater or lesser degrees. But beginning with 2002's ''Weapon X'' a new interpretation for Sinister was introduced, one which hewed closer to the Claremontian Mad Scientist but also cranked his evil quotient UpToEleven by making him an {{Expy}} of infamous Nazi scientist Josef Mengele. Since that time Sinister's become increasingly more affiliated with the Nazi regime, increasingly more [[NaziNobleman Nazi-like in general], and increasingly more prone to playing the PoliticallyIncorrectVillain.
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