History Film / TheThinRedLine

4th Oct '16 3:36:31 PM CumbersomeTercel
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* ReCut: The original cut was ''five hours''. In addition to the stars who were cut out of the film, Creator/GeorgeClooney and Creator/JohnTravolta's parts were meant to be bigger. Probably the most reduced role was that of Creator/AdrianBrody, who played Corporal Fife. In the script, his role was advertised as the lead and had the most dialogue. Brody though that the role would provide him with his big break. However, in the final version, Brody only has one line of dialogue and is barely on screen at all. Brody was upset with the change.



* SergeantRock: First Sgt. Edward Welsh (Sean Penn).

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* SergeantRock: First Sgt. Edward Welsh (Sean Penn).Welsh.
26th Sep '16 11:39:30 AM CumbersomeTercel
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* AmbitionIsEvil: in the 1998 film, the antagonistic LTC Tall is unconcerned with the losses in the battle because a successful attack is his last chance at a promotion. In the book, the nearly-amoral Dale is motivated by his desire to become a sergeant.

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* AmbitionIsEvil: in In the 1998 film, the antagonistic LTC Tall is unconcerned with the losses in the battle because a successful attack is his last chance at a promotion. In the book, the nearly-amoral Dale is motivated by his desire to become a sergeant.



* CompositeCharacter: in the film Keck (Woody Harrelson) combines elements of Keck and Big Un Cash from the book.

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* CompositeCharacter: in In the film Keck (Woody Harrelson) combines elements of Keck and Big Un Cash from the book.



* DemotedToExtra: Adrien Brody was cast in the lead role. You'd be forgiven for not noticing he was even in the movie.

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* DemotedToExtra: Adrien Brody Creator/AdrienBrody was cast in the lead role. You'd be forgiven for not noticing he was even in the movie.



* DoNotDoThisCoolThing: Averted in general. The film is pretty brutal, warfare is not depicted as something overly glamorous and there's not a word about patriotism (or any other high ideals for that matter). The tone is pretty much very down-to-earth.
** TruthInTelevision: There are no RedShirts, no FiveManBand and few [[CharacterArchetype archetypal characters]], unlike most war films. All the soldiers have slightly different personalities but generally tend to absorb the personality of their unit. AnyoneCanDie, and new faces come in and go throughout the film, like they would in a real unit (the book was based on James Jones' real life experience) subverting the standard fictional narrative arc. Much of the film's narrative is experienced in the characters' heads, and the climactic battle that serves as a formative experience for the entire unit occurs in the first half of the film. In the rest of the film we observe the aftermath.



* HeroicSacrifice: in the 1998 film [[spoiler:Witt]] draws the attention of an approaching Japanese column to buy time for the rest of his unit to escape. He gets surrounded and allows himself to get gunned down.

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* HeroicSacrifice: in In the 1998 film [[spoiler:Witt]] draws the attention of an approaching Japanese column to buy time for the rest of his unit to escape. He gets surrounded and allows himself to get gunned down.



* HoldingHands: the dying [[spoiler:Bead]] asks Fife to hold his hand.

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* HoldingHands: the The dying [[spoiler:Bead]] asks Fife to hold his hand.



* ItHasBeenAnHonor: in an odd variation, Staros implies this to his men after being relieved of command.

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* ItHasBeenAnHonor: in In an odd variation, Staros implies this to his men after being relieved of command.



* KnightInSourArmor: Welsh (Sean Penn).

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* KnightInSourArmor: Welsh (Sean Penn).Welsh.



** EmotionsVersusStoicism: characters in the book note that failing to feel anything does wonders for their performance in combat.

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** EmotionsVersusStoicism: characters Characters in the book note that failing to feel anything does wonders for their performance in combat.



* LiteraryAllusionTitle: to a Rudyard Kipling poem, which also makes up half of the book's epigraph. (It's also an allusion to a Midwestern saying, which makes up the other half).

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* LiteraryAllusionTitle: to To a Rudyard Kipling Creator/RudyardKipling poem, which also makes up half of the book's epigraph. (It's also an allusion to a Midwestern saying, which makes up the other half).



* {{Mangst}}: all the characters, for various reasons.

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* {{Mangst}}: all All the characters, for various reasons.



* MeaningfulName: the book notes that, oddly enough, Welsh is actually of Welsh origins.
* MercyKill: a variation occurs when Welsh delivers morphine to the mortally wounded [[spoiler:Tella]], who proceeds to shoot himself up with it.

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* MeaningfulName: the The book notes that, oddly enough, Welsh is actually of Welsh origins.
* MercyKill: a A variation occurs when Welsh delivers morphine to the mortally wounded [[spoiler:Tella]], who proceeds to shoot himself up with it.



* NarratorAllAlong: a variation. Significant portions of the voice-over (including the opening monologue) cannot be immediately attributed to any of the major characters; the ending shows them to be the thoughts of [[spoiler:Pvt. Train]].

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* NarratorAllAlong: a A variation. Significant portions of the voice-over (including the opening monologue) cannot be immediately attributed to any of the major characters; the ending shows them to be the thoughts of [[spoiler:Pvt. Train]].



* NotSoStoic: the normally indifferent and composed Welsh sheds a few tears at [[spoiler:Witt's grave]].

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* NotSoStoic: the The normally indifferent and composed Welsh sheds a few tears at [[spoiler:Witt's grave]].



* SituationalSexuality: occurs several times in the book, the earliest example being between [[spoiler:Fife and Bead]].
* SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism: the film is a rumination on war and nature; initially it shows the world in a pessimistic light, noting the conflict between the two powers of nature - however, the final scenes suggest that our universe is essentially harmonious.

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* SituationalSexuality: occurs Occurs several times in the book, the earliest example being between [[spoiler:Fife and Bead]].
* SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism: the The film is a rumination on war and nature; initially it shows the world in a pessimistic light, noting the conflict between the two powers of nature - however, the final scenes suggest that our universe is essentially harmonious.



* TeamMom: in the book, [=McCron=] has the reputation of a "mother hen". Additionally, in both the 1998 film and the book Captain Bosche refers to Welsh's role within the company as this.

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* TeamMom: in In the book, [=McCron=] has the reputation of a "mother hen". Additionally, in both the 1998 film and the book Captain Bosche refers to Welsh's role within the company as this.
26th Sep '16 11:34:51 AM CumbersomeTercel
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* BillingDisplacement: It's more than a little baffling why Sean Penn got top billing.
** You'll also see George Clooney's name and face plastered on ever poster, trailer and box cover to do with this film. He turns up in the background of one scene near the very end of the movie.
** Not only that, but for some reason John Travolta isn't listed on the poster or in the trailer. Now, this ''could'' be understandable, given how he only has roughly two scenes that come near the beginning-middle of the film, but the fact that they easily outmatch Clooney's one cameo in length leaves one confused as to why he would be substituted. Adding to the perplexity is that Travolta is practically the ''only'' A-List talent in the film's final cut whose name isn't on the poster.
10th Jul '16 4:17:00 AM JackG
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-->'''Tall:''' You feel like a son to me, John. [beat] You know what my son does? He's a bait salesman.

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-->'''Tall:''' You feel like a son to me, John. [beat] [[ReplacementGoldfish You know what my son does? He's a bait salesman. salesman.]]
4th Jul '16 11:29:25 AM JackG
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** Also invoked in Creator/GeorgeClooney's cameo as Captain Bosche. When giving a speech to the men he describes himself as their father and Sgt Welsh as their mother. Welsh's private dialogue shows he's not impressed.
9th Apr '16 10:47:57 AM Morgenthaler
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The film is also notable for being pitted against ''SavingPrivateRyan'' both at the time it came out [[DuelingMovies and ever since]], with the two (very different) war films being (perhaps unfairly) compared to each other and various film critics [[BrokenBase taking sides]]. This is owing to the fact that [[LoveItOrHateIt it depends on what kind of war movie you are looking to see]].

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The film is also notable for being pitted against ''SavingPrivateRyan'' ''Film/SavingPrivateRyan'' both at the time it came out [[DuelingMovies and ever since]], with the two (very different) war films being (perhaps unfairly) compared to each other and various film critics [[BrokenBase taking sides]]. This is owing to the fact that [[LoveItOrHateIt it depends on what kind of war movie you are looking to see]].
4th Oct '15 5:51:33 AM Morgenthaler
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* AmericaWinsTheWar: Oh so averted. There is nearly no PatrioticFervor shown in the movie, not even of the "positive, honest and cheerful" variety. The movie tries hard to avert DoNotDoThisCoolThing and focuses more on the mundane lives and suffering of individual soldiers.

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* AmericaWinsTheWar: AmericaWonWorldWarII: Oh so averted. There is nearly no PatrioticFervor shown in the movie, not even of the "positive, honest and cheerful" variety. The movie tries hard to avert DoNotDoThisCoolThing and focuses more on the mundane lives and suffering of individual soldiers.
10th Apr '15 9:25:01 AM TVRulezAgain
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-> "''[[NotSoDifferent Maybe all men got one big soul everybody's a part of, all faces are the same man]].''"

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-> "''[[NotSoDifferent Maybe "''Maybe all men got one big soul everybody's a part of, all faces are the same man]].man.''"



'''''The Thin Red Line''''' is a famous book about the battle of [[WorldWarII Guadalcanal]] by author JamesJones. It is a philosophical work about the internal and external battles the various soldiers go through.

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'''''The Thin Red Line''''' is a famous book about the battle of [[WorldWarII Guadalcanal]] by author JamesJones.Creator/JamesJones. It is a philosophical work about the internal and external battles the various soldiers go through.
25th Jul '14 3:54:41 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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* AllStarCast: More than ''[[OceansEleven Ocean's 11]]''. According to one critic, "everyone in Hollywood auditioned for the film," because Malick was a mysterious legend who hadn't made a film in 20 years.
** Creator/SeanPenn, Creator/AdrienBrody, JimCaviezel, Nick Nolte, Woody Harrelson, Ben Chaplin, John Cusack, John C. Reilly, George Clooney, JohnTravolta, Jared Leto, Tim Blake Nelson, and John Savage. (Billy Bob Thornton, Martin Sheen, Gary Oldman, Bill Pullman, Lukas Haas, Viggo Mortensen and Mickey Rourke also starred, but didn't make the final cut. Rourke in particular felt betrayed by this as he felt his work on this film to be the best of his career).



* DoingItForTheArt: Practically the whole film is internal monologue.



* DuelingMovies: With Film/''SavingPrivateRyan''



* HeyItsThatGuy: JimCaviezel, aka "[[Film/ThePassionOfTheChrist Jesus]]", plays a spiritual role here as well.
** Malick specifically cast actors (dozens of famous actors) who look like each other, to put forth the message that all the soldiers are part of a unit and fundamentally different aspects of the same person. With lots and lots of (then-unknown) actors cast because they look very similar to lots and lots of (famous) actors who all wanted to appear in a Malick film, and with most of the dialogue being internal monologue, you have a situation where it's easier for people who haven't read the book to tell the characters apart by the actor playing them.
** A few flashbacks and somewhat surreal sequences reveal that Ben Chaplin's character is married to [[TheLordOfTheRings Eowyn]].
9th Jul '14 10:16:55 PM TheMightyHeptagon
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See also ''Literature/FromHereToEternity'', also by James Jones. Also, ''The Thin Red Line'' is to ''Series/ThePacific'' as ''Saving Private Ryan'' is to ''Series/BandOfBrothers''.

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See also ''Literature/FromHereToEternity'', also by James Jones. Also, ''The Thin Red Line'' is to ''Series/ThePacific'' as ''Saving Private Ryan'' is to ''Series/BandOfBrothers''.
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