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'''Stan:''' So will you.]]-]

''Stan & Ollie'' is a {{bio|pic}}graphical film directed by Jon S. Baird from a screenplay by Jeff Pope (writer of ''Film/{{Philomena}}'').

It is based on the late life of the legendary [[UsefulNotes/TheGoldenAgeOfHollywood Hollywoodian Golden Age]] comedy [[DoubleActsAndGroups double act]] Creator/LaurelAndHardy, when they decided to tour music halls in UsefulNotes/{{Europe}} in 1953, after their heydays in the movie industry had come to an end. Long-held resentments threaten to force the pair apart during said tour.

Creator/SteveCoogan and Creator/JohnCReilly star as Arthur Stanley "Stan Laurel" Jefferson and Norvell "Oliver" (Ollie) Hardy, respectively. The cast also includes Creator/ShirleyHenderson as Virginia Lucille Hardy (Ollie's third wife), Creator/DannyHuston as producer Hal Roach, Nina Arianda as Ida Kitaeva Laurel (Stan's fourth wife), Rufus Jones as Bernard Delfont and Susy Kane as Cynthia Clark.

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'''Stan:''' So will you.]]-]

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''Stan & Ollie'' is a 2018 {{bio|pic}}graphical {{dramedy}} film directed by Jon S. Baird from a screenplay by Jeff Pope (writer of ''Film/{{Philomena}}'').

It is based on The film chronicles the late life later days of the legendary [[UsefulNotes/TheGoldenAgeOfHollywood Hollywoodian Golden Age]] comedy [[DoubleActsAndGroups double act]] Creator/LaurelAndHardy, when they decided to tour music halls in UsefulNotes/{{Europe}} in 1953, 1953 after their heydays in heyday on the movie industry screen had come to an end. Long-held resentments threaten to force the pair apart during said tour.

Creator/SteveCoogan and Creator/JohnCReilly star as Arthur Stanley "Stan Laurel" Jefferson and Norvell "Oliver" (Ollie) Hardy, respectively. The cast also includes Creator/ShirleyHenderson as Virginia Lucille Hardy (Ollie's third wife), Creator/DannyHuston as producer Hal Roach, Nina Arianda as Ida Kitaeva Laurel (Stan's fourth wife), Rufus Jones as Bernard Delfont Delfont, and Susy Kane as Cynthia Clark.
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It is based on the late life of the legendary [[UsefulNotes/TheGoldenAgeOfHollywood Hollywoodian Golden Age]] comedy [[DoubleActsAndGroups double act]] Creator/LaurelAndHardy, when they decided to tour music halls in the UK and Ireland in 1953, after their heydays in the movie industry had come to an end. Long-held resentments threaten to force the pair apart during said tour.

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It is based on the late life of the legendary [[UsefulNotes/TheGoldenAgeOfHollywood Hollywoodian Golden Age]] comedy [[DoubleActsAndGroups double act]] Creator/LaurelAndHardy, when they decided to tour music halls in the UK and Ireland UsefulNotes/{{Europe}} in 1953, after their heydays in the movie industry had come to an end. Long-held resentments threaten to force the pair apart during said tour.
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''Stan & Ollie'' is a biographical film directed by Jon S. Baird from a screenplay by Jeff Pope (writer of ''Film/{{Philomena}}'').

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''Stan & Ollie'' is a biographical {{bio|pic}}graphical film directed by Jon S. Baird from a screenplay by Jeff Pope (writer of ''Film/{{Philomena}}'').
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** During their falling out, Stan calls out Ollie for opting to remain with Hal Roach to do ''Zenobia'' while he went to 20th Century Fox alone. While Stan ''did'' have a contract dispute with Roach, in reality, Ollie, due to having a separate contract that had not yet expired at the time, was forced to stay with the two not going to Fox until 1941, over a year after leaving Hal Roach Studios following the completion of ''Saps at Sea''. Stan also encouraged Ollie to take on solo projects after he discovered he had diabetes which led to the latter to be in films such as ''The Fighting Kentuckian''.
** Following Ollie's heart attack, Stan is encouraged to continue the tour with a man named Nobby Cook. When Ollie suffered a minor heart attack after opening night on their 1954 tour and was unable to continue performing, the rest of the tour was cancelled right then and there as Stan outright refused to continue without Ollie.

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** During their falling out, Stan calls out Ollie for opting to remain with Hal Roach to do ''Zenobia'' while he went to 20th Century Fox alone. While Stan ''did'' have a contract dispute with Roach, in reality, Ollie, Ollie was forced to stay due to him having a separate contract that had not yet hadn't expired at the time, was forced to stay with the time. The two would also not going go to Fox until 1941, over a year after leaving Hal Roach Studios following the completion of ''Saps at Sea''. Stan also encouraged Ollie to take on solo projects after he the prior discovered he had diabetes which led to the latter to be in films such as ''The Fighting Kentuckian''.
** Following Ollie's heart attack, Stan is encouraged to continue the tour with a man named Nobby Cook. When Ollie suffered a minor heart attack after opening night on their 1954 tour and was unable to continue performing, the rest of the tour was cancelled right then and there as Stan outright refused to continue performing the act without Ollie.
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** During their falling out, Stan calls out Ollie for opting to remain with Hal Roach to do ''Zenobia'' while he went to 20th Century Fox alone. While Stan ''did'' have a contract dispute with Roach, in reality, Ollie, due to having a separate contract that had not yet expired at the time, was forced to stay with the two not going to Fox until 1941, over a year after leaving Hal Roach Studios following the completion of ''Saps at Sea''.
** Following Ollie's heart attack, Stan almost does a show with a man named Nobby Cook. When Ollie suffered a minor heart attack after opening night on their 1954 tour and was unable to continue performing, the rest of the tour was cancelled right then and there as Stan refused to continue working without Ollie.

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** During their falling out, Stan calls out Ollie for opting to remain with Hal Roach to do ''Zenobia'' while he went to 20th Century Fox alone. While Stan ''did'' have a contract dispute with Roach, in reality, Ollie, due to having a separate contract that had not yet expired at the time, was forced to stay with the two not going to Fox until 1941, over a year after leaving Hal Roach Studios following the completion of ''Saps at Sea''. \n Stan also encouraged Ollie to take on solo projects after he discovered he had diabetes which led to the latter to be in films such as ''The Fighting Kentuckian''.
** Following Ollie's heart attack, Stan almost does a show is encouraged to continue the tour with a man named Nobby Cook. When Ollie suffered a minor heart attack after opening night on their 1954 tour and was unable to continue performing, the rest of the tour was cancelled right then and there as Stan outright refused to continue working without Ollie.
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** During their falling out, Stan calls out Ollie for remaining with Hal Roach to do ''Zenobia'' while he went to 20th Century Fox alone. While Stan ''did'' have a contract dispute with Roach, in reality he actually ''encouraged'' Ollie to continue working at Hal Roach Studios without him.
** Following Ollie's heart attack, Stan almost does a show with a man named Nobby Cook. When Ollie suffered a minor heart attack after opening night on their 1954 tour and was unable to continue performing, the rest of the tour was cancelled right then and there as Stan refused to continue working without him with Ollie's death 3 years later being what lead to Stan retiring[[note]] Though Stan did continue writing material for Laurel and Hardy until his own death in 1965[[/note]].

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** During their falling out, Stan calls out Ollie for remaining opting to remain with Hal Roach to do ''Zenobia'' while he went to 20th Century Fox alone. While Stan ''did'' have a contract dispute with Roach, in reality he actually ''encouraged'' Ollie reality, Ollie, due to continue working having a separate contract that had not yet expired at the time, was forced to stay with the two not going to Fox until 1941, over a year after leaving Hal Roach Studios without him.following the completion of ''Saps at Sea''.
** Following Ollie's heart attack, Stan almost does a show with a man named Nobby Cook. When Ollie suffered a minor heart attack after opening night on their 1954 tour and was unable to continue performing, the rest of the tour was cancelled right then and there as Stan refused to continue working without him with Ollie's death 3 years later being what lead to Stan retiring[[note]] Though Stan did continue writing material for Laurel and Hardy until his own death in 1965[[/note]].Ollie.
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* ManInAKilt: As part of one of their shows in Britain, Stan and Ollie don kilts.

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* ManInAKilt: As part of one of their shows in Britain, Britain (specifically, in [[UsefulNotes/{{Scotland}} Glasgow]]), Stan and Ollie don kilts.
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** A much more minor occurrence appears earlier in the film, where Ollie bets on a racehorse in order to get enough money to buy his wife some jewellery. When he later looks up the result in a newspaper, his angry reaction implies that he lost, but a couple of passing fans think he's just acting in character, and Ollie is quick to do his tie-wave gesture to them to save face.
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** Following Ollie's heart attack, Stan almost does a show with a man named Nobby Cook. When Ollie suffered a minor heart attack after opening night on their 1954 tour and was unable to continue performing, the rest of the tour was cancelled right then and there as Stan refused to continue working without him with Ollie's death 3 years later being what lead to him retiring[[note]] Though Stan did continue writing material for Laurel and Hardy until his own death in 1965[[/note]].

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** Following Ollie's heart attack, Stan almost does a show with a man named Nobby Cook. When Ollie suffered a minor heart attack after opening night on their 1954 tour and was unable to continue performing, the rest of the tour was cancelled right then and there as Stan refused to continue working without him with Ollie's death 3 years later being what lead to him Stan retiring[[note]] Though Stan did continue writing material for Laurel and Hardy until his own death in 1965[[/note]].
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** During their falling out, Stan calls out Ollie for remaining with Hal Roach to do ''Zenobia'' while he went to 20th Century Fox. While Stan ''did'' have a contract dispute with Roach, in reality he actually ''encouraged'' Ollie to do the movie.
** Following Ollie's heart attack, Stan does a show with a man named Nobby Cook. When Ollie suffered a minor heart attack during their 1954 tour and was unable to continue performing, the rest of the tour was cancelled as a result as Stan refused to continue working without him with Ollie's death 3 years later being what lead to Stan retiring[[note]] Though Stan did continue writing material for Laurel and Hardy until his own death in 1965[[/note]].

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** During their falling out, Stan calls out Ollie for remaining with Hal Roach to do ''Zenobia'' while he went to 20th Century Fox. Fox alone. While Stan ''did'' have a contract dispute with Roach, in reality he actually ''encouraged'' Ollie to do the movie.continue working at Hal Roach Studios without him.
** Following Ollie's heart attack, Stan almost does a show with a man named Nobby Cook. When Ollie suffered a minor heart attack during after opening night on their 1954 tour and was unable to continue performing, the rest of the tour was cancelled as a result right then and there as Stan refused to continue working without him with Ollie's death 3 years later being what lead to Stan him retiring[[note]] Though Stan did continue writing material for Laurel and Hardy until his own death in 1965[[/note]].
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** Following Ollie's heart attack, Stan does a show with a man named Nobby Cook. When Ollie suffered a minor heart attack during their 1954 tour and was unable to continue performing, the rest of the tour was cancelled as a result as Stan refused to continue working without him and Ollie's death 3 years later being what lead to Stan retiring[[note]] Though Stan did continue working on material for Laurel and Hardy until his own death in 1965[[/note]].

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** Following Ollie's heart attack, Stan does a show with a man named Nobby Cook. When Ollie suffered a minor heart attack during their 1954 tour and was unable to continue performing, the rest of the tour was cancelled as a result as Stan refused to continue working without him and with Ollie's death 3 years later being what lead to Stan retiring[[note]] Though Stan did continue working on writing material for Laurel and Hardy until his own death in 1965[[/note]].
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** Following Ollie's heart attack, Stan does a show with a man named Nobby Cook. When Ollie suffered a minor heart attack during their 1954 tour, the rest of the tour was cancelled as a result as Stan refused to continue working without him and Ollie's death 3 years later being what lead to Stan retiring.

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** Following Ollie's heart attack, Stan does a show with a man named Nobby Cook. When Ollie suffered a minor heart attack during their 1954 tour, tour and was unable to continue performing, the rest of the tour was cancelled as a result as Stan refused to continue working without him and Ollie's death 3 years later being what lead to Stan retiring.retiring[[note]] Though Stan did continue working on material for Laurel and Hardy until his own death in 1965[[/note]].

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** During their falling out, Stan calls out Ollie for remaining with Hal Roach to do ''Zenobia'' while he went to 20th Century Fox. While Stan ''did'' have a contract dispute with Roach, Stan in real life ''encouraged'' Ollie to do the movie. Ollie later joined Stan at Fox when he refused to start a new team-up with his ''Zenobia'' co-star Harry Langdon.

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** During their falling out, Stan calls out Ollie for remaining with Hal Roach to do ''Zenobia'' while he went to 20th Century Fox. While Stan ''did'' have a contract dispute with Roach, Stan in real life reality he actually ''encouraged'' Ollie to do the movie. movie.
** Following Ollie's heart attack, Stan does a show with a man named Nobby Cook. When
Ollie later joined suffered a minor heart attack during their 1954 tour, the rest of the tour was cancelled as a result as Stan at Fox when he refused to start a new team-up with his ''Zenobia'' co-star Harry Langdon. continue working without him and Ollie's death 3 years later being what lead to Stan retiring.
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** During their falling out, Stan calls out Ollie for remaining with Hal Roach to do ''Zenobia'' while he went to 20th Century Fox. While Stan ''did'' have a contract dispute with Roach, Stan in real life ''encouraged'' Ollie to do the movie. Ollie later joined Stan at Fox when he refused to start a new team-up with his ''Zenobia'' co-star Harry Langdon.
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* SerialSpouse: As in real life, both Stan and Ollie have gone through multiple turbulent divorces; in the opening scene, Stan is in the middle of his second (third if one counts an earlier common-law relationship), to Ruth Rogers (and would go through two more--one after ''remarrying'' Ruth, only for the second attempt to fare no better--before finally finding lasting happiness with Ida), while Ollie has just proposed to Lucille, his third wife (and is telling Stan about his first recently showing up demanding more money, which he doesn't have because of how much his second got when they split). Indeed, when Stan is arguing with Hal Roach about how little money they have relative to the popularity of their films, Roach shoots back, "That's 'cause you keep getting divorced!"
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* {{Irony}}: During the first scene, [[SerialSpouse Stan is in the midst of his latest turbulent divorce]], and firmly resolves to Ollie that he's never getting married again. [[ForegoneConclusion Unsurprising to anyone familiar with the real Stan Laurel's life]], after the time-skip he is shown to be happily married to Ida.
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** Averted, but barely -- Ollie's knees are pretty weak and it's implied it happened when filming "Zenobia", the elephant picture he made for Hal Roach without Stan -- he was hit with an oversized mallet way too hard as part of a gag, and it did lasting damage.

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** Averted, but barely -- Ollie's knees are pretty weak and it's implied it happened when filming "Zenobia", ''Zenobia'', the elephant picture he made for Hal Roach without Stan -- he was hit with an oversized mallet way too hard as part of a gag, and it did lasting damage.
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-->'''Lucille''': Are you implying that Oliver and I aren't hard working?\\
'''Ida''': You live in Hollywood.\\
'''Lucille''': So do you and Stan.\\
'''Ida''': No, no, no, no, no: I may live in Hollywood, but '''I''' am not Hollywood.\\
'''Lucille''': Ida, you are the epitome of Hollywood.\\
'''Ida''' [''icily'']: [[LampshadeHanging Don't you ''pity'' me!]]

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-->'''Lucille''': -->'''Lucille:''' Are you implying that Oliver and I aren't hard working?\\
'''Ida''': '''Ida:''' You live in Hollywood.\\
'''Lucille''': '''Lucille:''' So do you and Stan.\\
'''Ida''': '''Ida:''' No, no, no, no, no: I may live in Hollywood, but '''I''' am not Hollywood.\\
'''Lucille''': '''Lucille:''' Ida, you are the epitome of Hollywood.\\
'''Ida''' [''icily'']: '''Ida:''' ''[icily]'' [[LampshadeHanging Don't you ''pity'' me!]]



-->'''Stan''': Well why didn't you tell me you knew?\\
'''Ollie''': I thought you already knew I knew.\\
'''Stan''': How could I know that you knew I knew?\\
'''Ollie''': ''(chuckles)'' What would my line be here?\\
'''Stan''': Um..."Now I know you knew, but I thought you knew I knew, but you were pretending not to know I knew."\\
'''Ollie''': ''(chuckles)'' Thank you.

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-->'''Stan''': -->'''Stan:''' Well why didn't you tell me you knew?\\
'''Ollie''': '''Ollie:''' I thought you already knew I knew.\\
'''Stan''': '''Stan:''' How could I know that you knew I knew?\\
'''Ollie''': ''(chuckles)'' '''Ollie:''' ''[chuckles]'' What would my line be here?\\
'''Stan''': '''Stan:''' Um..."Now I know you knew, but I thought you knew I knew, but you were pretending not to know I knew."\\
'''Ollie''': ''(chuckles)'' '''Ollie''' ''[chuckles]'' Thank you.



-->'''Ollie:''' It was fun while it lasted, wasn’t it, Stan?
-->[Stan nods and heads onstage. Ollie hooks him back as part of their act]
-->'''Ollie:''' I’ll miss us when we’re gone.
-->'''Stan:''' So will you.

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-->'''Ollie:''' It was fun while it lasted, wasn’t it, Stan?
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I’ll miss us when we’re gone.
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gone.\\
'''Stan:'''
So will you.



-->'''Stan''': I loved us.\\
'''Ollie''': You loved "Laurel and Hardy." But you never loved me.

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-->'''Stan''': -->'''Stan:''' I loved us.\\
'''Ollie''': '''Ollie:''' You loved "Laurel and Hardy." But you never loved me.

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* RealityEnsues: Even for a semi-fictional biopic there are still a few;

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* RealityEnsues: TheShowMustGoOn: What Ollie says word for word to Stan at one point upon reconciling with him. At the end of the film, while doing their last show and with Ollie visibly looking unwell, Stan suggests they just say their goodbyes, but Ollie insists on one last dance.
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* TheShowMustGoOn: What Ollie says word for word to Stan at one point upon reconciling with him. At the end of the film, while doing their last show and with Ollie visibly looking unwell, Stan suggests they just say their goodbyes, but Ollie insists on one last dance.

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* BaitAndSwitch: In-universe, Stan employs this for a joke: encountering a star-struck older fan outside the theater where they're to be performing later, Stan playfully suggests that she tell the ticket-seller that she's a friend of theirs, which he assures her will result in her ticket costing ''extra''.



** Played dramatically straight when, the day after a falling-out with Stan, Oliver Hardy suffers an heart attack and a doctor is urgently summoned to his hotel room. Later, Ollie informs Stan that he intends to retire and we see in a flashback the doctor has told him that continuing to perform on stage can be fatal.

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** Played dramatically straight when, the day after a falling-out with Stan, Oliver Hardy suffers an heart attack and a doctor is urgently summoned to his hotel room. Later, Ollie informs Stan that he intends to retire and we see in a flashback the doctor has told him that continuing to perform on stage can could be fatal.

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* TheGamblingAddict: Ollie has a weakness for horse racing. It doesn't outright ruin him, but coupled with his constant divorces it means he's not as wealthy as he could be.

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* TheGamblingAddict: Ollie has a weakness for horse racing. It doesn't outright ruin him, but coupled with his constant multiple divorces it means he's not as wealthy as he could be.


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* LovingAShadow: In the heat of their fight, Ollie accuses Stan of a platonic version of this, saying that Stan had only ever cared about their studio-mandated partnership and never about him as a real friend. Ultimately averted when the two reconcile after Ollie's heart attack and he admits that he hadn't meant what he said, and the rest of the film shows them reaffirming their bond.
-->'''Stan''': I loved us.\\
'''Ollie''': You loved "Laurel and Hardy." But you never loved me.
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* BitterSweetEnding: After a slow start, the duo’s European tour is a thunderous success and Laurel and Hardy are finally able to clarify their old misunderstandings and strengthen their friendship. But they are clearly seen as two has-been by the movie industry and Hardy is so sick that they will never perform together again.

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* BitterSweetEnding: BittersweetEnding: After a slow start, the duo’s European tour is a thunderous success and Laurel and Hardy are finally able to clarify their old misunderstandings and strengthen their friendship. But they are clearly seen as two has-been by the movie industry and Hardy is so sick that they will never perform together again.

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