History Film / RobRoy

20th May '16 10:34:49 PM Clendy82
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* TheyCallMeMisterTibbs: Montrose gets this treatment when he is insolently too familiar with an angry Duke of Argyll when the two meet at a gentrified salon.

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* TheyCallMeMisterTibbs: Montrose gets this treatment when he is insolently too familiar with an angry Duke of Argyll when the two meet at a gentrified poker salon.
20th May '16 10:01:57 PM Clendy82
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* TheyCallMeMisterTibbs: Montrose gets this treatment when he is insolently too familiar with an angry Duke of Argyll. After getting ranked out in a very public place, Montrose fumingly lampshades the trope:

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* TheyCallMeMisterTibbs: Montrose gets this treatment when he is insolently too familiar with an angry Duke of Argyll. After getting ranked out in a very public place, Montrose fumingly lampshades Argyll when the trope:two meet at a gentrified salon.
-->'''Montrose:''' John, you have the look of a man who means to play hard.
-->'''Argyll:''' Do not presume to speak above your station, sir. I will have my rank from you!
-->'''*soon after Argyll departs*'''
13th May '16 7:23:54 AM Dragon101
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* TheDragon: Archibald to Montrose.

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* TheDragon: DragonInChief: Archibald is TheDragon to Montrose. Montrose, but it's the former who is really the main villain of the story. Their relationship is somewhere between this an a BigBadDuumvirate- Archibald robs Montrose of his money and is easily the worst person of the two, but Montrose is the one with the status and wealth and he knows or at least suspects what Archibald has done and reluctantly goes along with it to further his own agenda. Archie, though, remains the one driving the plot and carrying out most of the crimes in the movie (and mostly ForTheEvulz), and it's Archie that Roy regards as his real enemy in the film.



* EvilBrit: Archie Cunningham. Montrose might technically be Scottish, but he presents himself and thinks of himself as being English.
26th Feb '16 8:27:20 PM lorgskyegon
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* {{Flynning}}: Thoroughly averted in the final duel between Roy and Cunningham. The fight is extremely realistic, notably in that Cunningham (with a rapier) stays far from Roy (who wields a basket-hilted claymore), wary of his superior strength, longer reach, and heavier blade. He attempts to do Roy in by DeathOfAThousand cuts, a very valid strategy in sword fighting.
7th Feb '16 3:44:48 AM Dragon101
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* TheSociopath: Archibald Cunningham is a thief, a philanderer, a rapist and a murderer. Superficially charming enough to get most women into bed, but doesn't give a damn about them beyond sex- including if they kill themselves out of shame afterwards. He betrays and robs his own patron, then gets him to frame another man for his own crime. A smug, spoilt, unloved PsychopathicManchild who is used to others covering for his misdeeds, he ultimately gets cut in half for his laundry list of crimes and nobody- including his own ally- mourns for him afterwards.

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* TheSociopath: Archibald Cunningham is a thief, a philanderer, a rapist and a murderer.murderer who makes his way in life off of other peoples' money. Superficially charming enough to get most women into bed, but doesn't give a damn about them beyond sex- including if they kill themselves out of shame afterwards. He betrays and robs his own patron, then gets him to frame another man for his own crime. A smug, spoilt, unloved PsychopathicManchild who is used to others covering for his misdeeds, he ultimately gets cut in half for his laundry list of crimes and nobody- including his own ally- mourns for him afterwards.
7th Feb '16 3:42:23 AM Dragon101
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* TheSociopath: Archibald Cunningham is a thief, a philanderer, a rapist and a murderer. Superficially charming enough to get most women into bed, but doesn't give a damn about them beyond sex- including if they kill themselves out of shame afterwards. He betrays and robs his own patron, then gets him to frame another man for his own crime. A smug, spoilt, unloved PsychopathicManchild who is used to others covering for his misdeeds, he ultimately gets cut in half for his laundry list of crimes and nobody- including his own ally- mourns for him afterwards.



* VeryLooselyBasedOnATrueStory: For one, the character of Archibald Cunningham never existed and is an invention of the movie; Montrose does exist, but he was a Duke, not Marquess, at the time this film is set, and of course is given a bit of a HistoricalVillainUpgrade for the movie, just as Roy is given a HistoricalHeroUpgrade (the real Roy was a cattle thief and a murderer; the former is only vaguely referenced). Incidentally, it has nothing to do with the 1817 novel by Walter Scott, which has a different plot entirely- being based around the Jacobite rebellion-, not to mention a different ''protagonist'' (Rob Roy is more of a FamedInStory supporting character whom the story revolves around).

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* VeryLooselyBasedOnATrueStory: For one, the character of Archibald Cunningham never existed and is an invention of the movie; Montrose does exist, but he was a Duke, not Marquess, at the time this film is set, and of course is given a bit of a HistoricalVillainUpgrade for the movie, just as Roy is given a HistoricalHeroUpgrade (the real Roy was a cattle thief and a murderer; the former is only vaguely referenced). Incidentally, it has nothing to do with the 1817 novel by Walter Scott, which has a different plot entirely- being based around the Jacobite rebellion-, rebellion (which should have been occurring during the timeline of the movie, but are not mentioned at all)-, not to mention a different ''protagonist'' (Rob Roy is more of a FamedInStory supporting character whom the story revolves around).
7th Feb '16 3:30:48 AM Dragon101
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* VeryLooselyBasedOnATrueStory: For one, the character of Archibald Cunningham never existed and is an invention of the novel; Montrose does exist, but he was a Duke, not Marquess, at the time this film is set, and of course is given a bit of a HistoricalVillainUpgrade for the movie, just as Roy is given a HistoricalHeroUpgrade (the real Roy was a cattle thief and a murderer; the former is only vaguely referenced). Incidentally, it has nothing to do with the 1817 novel by Walter Scott, which has a different plot entirely- being based around the Jacobite rebellion-, not to mention a different ''protagonist'' (Rob Roy is more of a FamedInStory supporting character whom the story revolves around).

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* VeryLooselyBasedOnATrueStory: For one, the character of Archibald Cunningham never existed and is an invention of the novel; movie; Montrose does exist, but he was a Duke, not Marquess, at the time this film is set, and of course is given a bit of a HistoricalVillainUpgrade for the movie, just as Roy is given a HistoricalHeroUpgrade (the real Roy was a cattle thief and a murderer; the former is only vaguely referenced). Incidentally, it has nothing to do with the 1817 novel by Walter Scott, which has a different plot entirely- being based around the Jacobite rebellion-, not to mention a different ''protagonist'' (Rob Roy is more of a FamedInStory supporting character whom the story revolves around).
7th Feb '16 3:29:35 AM Dragon101
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* HistoricalHeroUpgrade: The real Rob Roy was both a murderer and a cattle thief. The movie Rob Roy turns him into a heroic man of impeccable honor, though strangely it still does make passing mention to cattle-thieving. It's also been suggested that the robbery of the loan that kicks off the plot (the character of Cunningham did not actually exist) was carried out by Rob himself- though, more likely, it was carried out by one of his own men, He is known to have been guilty of armed robbery, assault, arson, village raids and other misdeeds, in one case taking over a small church and forcing the congregation to strip before stealing their Bibles for no reason other than ItAmusedMe. Less LovableRogue, more plain rogue. However, he was regarded as a generally trustworthy and honourable man [[IGaveMyWord when it came to his word]], at least.

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* HistoricalHeroUpgrade: The real Rob Roy was both a murderer and a cattle thief. The movie Rob Roy turns him into a heroic man of impeccable honor, though strangely it still does make passing mention to cattle-thieving. It's also been suggested that the robbery of the loan that kicks off the plot (the character of Cunningham did not actually exist) was carried out by Rob himself- though, more likely, it was carried out by the treachery of one of his own men, men. He is known to have been guilty of armed robbery, assault, arson, village raids and other misdeeds, in one case taking over a small church and forcing the congregation to strip before stealing their Bibles for no reason other than ItAmusedMe. Less LovableRogue, more plain rogue. However, he was regarded as a generally trustworthy and honourable man [[IGaveMyWord when it came to his word]], at least.
7th Feb '16 3:28:22 AM Dragon101
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** Unlike Cunningham, the character of Grahame did exist, and did indeed once find Mary and hold her captive- the rape committed by Cunningham is attributed to a legend that Grahame himself was the culprit, and in the film he is at least an accomplice to the deed. However, this probably did not occur (and if it did, she definitely never got pregnant by it); Grahame ended up being held captive by Roy at one point later, who treated him courteously- unlikely to happen if he really thought this guy raped his wife.

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** Unlike Cunningham, the character of Grahame of Killearn did exist, and did indeed once find Mary and hold her captive- the rape committed by Cunningham is attributed to a legend that Grahame himself was the culprit, and in the film he is at least an accomplice to the deed. However, this rape probably did not occur (and if it did, she definitely never got pregnant by it); Grahame ended up being held captive by Roy at one point later, who treated him courteously- unlikely to happen if he really thought this guy raped his wife. wife.
7th Feb '16 2:49:56 AM Dragon101
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* HistoricalHeroUpgrade: The real Rob Roy was both a murderer and a cattle thief. The movie Rob Roy turns him into a heroic man of impeccable honor, though strangely it still does make passing mention to cattle-thieving.

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* HistoricalHeroUpgrade: The real Rob Roy was both a murderer and a cattle thief. The movie Rob Roy turns him into a heroic man of impeccable honor, though strangely it still does make passing mention to cattle-thieving. It's also been suggested that the robbery of the loan that kicks off the plot (the character of Cunningham did not actually exist) was carried out by Rob himself- though, more likely, it was carried out by one of his own men, He is known to have been guilty of armed robbery, assault, arson, village raids and other misdeeds, in one case taking over a small church and forcing the congregation to strip before stealing their Bibles for no reason other than ItAmusedMe. Less LovableRogue, more plain rogue. However, he was regarded as a generally trustworthy and honourable man [[IGaveMyWord when it came to his word]], at least.
* HistoricalVillainUpgrade: The Marquess of Montrose (Duke at the time the film is set). Archibald Cunningham did not exist, so obviously the real Montrose was not complicit in any of his crimes since they never actually happened. He never did find out who robbed him and he certainly didn't cover it up and frame an innocent man (insofar as the historic Roy was "innocent").
** Unlike Cunningham, the character of Grahame did exist, and did indeed once find Mary and hold her captive- the rape committed by Cunningham is attributed to a legend that Grahame himself was the culprit, and in the film he is at least an accomplice to the deed. However, this probably did not occur (and if it did, she definitely never got pregnant by it); Grahame ended up being held captive by Roy at one point later, who treated him courteously- unlikely to happen if he really thought this guy raped his wife.



* InNameOnly: Title aside, this film has virtually nothing in common with Scott's novel.

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* InNameOnly: Title aside, this film has virtually nothing in common with Scott's novel.novel, and only slightly more than nothing with actual history.



* VeryLooselyBasedOnATrueStory: For one, the character of Archibald Cunningham never existed and is an invention of the novel; Monrose does, but he was a Duke, to Marquess, at the time this film is set, and of course is given a bit of a HistoricalVillainUpgrade for the movie, just as Roy is given a HistoricalHeroUpgrade (the real Roy was a cattle thief and a murderer; the former is only vaguely referenced). Incidentally, it has nothing to do with the 1817 novel by Walter Scott, which has a different plot entirely- being based around the Jacobite rebellion-, not to mention a different ''protagonist'' (Rob Roy is more of a FamedInStory supporting character whom the story revolves around).

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* VeryLooselyBasedOnATrueStory: For one, the character of Archibald Cunningham never existed and is an invention of the novel; Monrose does, Montrose does exist, but he was a Duke, to not Marquess, at the time this film is set, and of course is given a bit of a HistoricalVillainUpgrade for the movie, just as Roy is given a HistoricalHeroUpgrade (the real Roy was a cattle thief and a murderer; the former is only vaguely referenced). Incidentally, it has nothing to do with the 1817 novel by Walter Scott, which has a different plot entirely- being based around the Jacobite rebellion-, not to mention a different ''protagonist'' (Rob Roy is more of a FamedInStory supporting character whom the story revolves around).
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