History Film / BlackHawkDown

3rd May '16 2:59:35 AM GuyIncog
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* HollywoodTactics: Smoke grenades, strobe lights, and other beacons used for marking positions for friendly aircraft, like the IR strobe Eversman threw onto the roof of a Somali-occupied building to mark it for a strafing run, are actually used almost exclusively to mark ''friendly'' positions, to avoid the possibility of an enemy picking up the marker and throwing it back. Note that one of the Somalis does in fact pick up the strobe, but is killed immediately afterwards.

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* HollywoodTactics: Smoke grenades, strobe lights, and other beacons used for marking positions for friendly aircraft, like the IR strobe Eversman threw onto the roof of a Somali-occupied building to mark it for a strafing run, are actually used almost exclusively to mark ''friendly'' positions, to avoid positions. This avoids the possibility of an enemy picking up the marker beacon and throwing it back. Note back - note that one of the Somalis does in fact pick up the strobe, but is killed immediately afterwards.
3rd May '16 2:56:33 AM GuyIncog
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* HollywoodTactics: Smoke grenades, strobe lights, and other beacons used for marking positions for friendly aircraft, like the IR strobe Eversman threw onto the roof of a Somali-occupied building to mark it for a strafing run, are actually used almost exclusively to mark ''friendly'' positions, to avoid the possibility of an enemy picking up the marker and throwing it back. Note that one of the Somalis does in fact pick up the strobe, but is killed immediately afterwards.
30th Mar '16 1:31:56 AM Wuz
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* SenselessSacrifice: The sacrifice the two Delta operators that go to help Durant somewhat becomes this, as Durant ends up getting captured by the Somali militia anyway. On the other hand, he did survive to see another day, which may not have happened if he was left wedged inside the helo wreckage firing an MP5.

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* SenselessSacrifice: The sacrifice the two Delta operators that go to help Durant somewhat becomes this, as Durant ends up getting captured by the Somali militia anyway. On the other hand, he did survive to see another day, which may not have happened if he was left wedged inside the helo wreckage firing an MP5.[=MP5=].
30th Mar '16 1:28:28 AM Wuz
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** In general, the depiction of the Rangers as an elite force of experienced, consummate professionals is incorrect. The [[TeensAreMonsters average age of the Rangers in Mogadishu was 19]] and the majority had never been under fire before. Discipline broke down when the bullets actually started flying, which is part of the reason that there were so many causalities to begin with.

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** In general, the depiction of the Rangers as an elite force of experienced, consummate professionals is incorrect. The [[TeensAreMonsters [[NewMeat average age of the Rangers in Mogadishu was 19]] and the majority had never been under fire before. Discipline broke down when the bullets actually started flying, which is part of the reason that there were so many causalities to begin with.
4th Feb '16 3:44:37 PM Ohio9
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* LastStand: Gordan and Shughart fight to the death to the defend the crash site of the second downed Blackhawk, going all the way down to their final few pistol rounds before they are overwhelmed.
22nd Jan '16 4:23:28 PM YT45
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** A lot of the indigenous fighters who attacked the crash sites were from other clans opposed to Aidid's Habr-Gedir. They heard only that American helicopters were attacking the city and went to join the fight, making an already bad situation worse for everybody in a case of PoorCommunicationKills. The result was a bloody mess.

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** A lot of the indigenous fighters who attacked the crash sites were from other clans opposed to Aidid's Habr-Gedir.Habr-Gedir, and thus at least nominally [[EnemyOfMyEnemy on the same side as the Americans]]. They heard only that American helicopters were attacking the city and went to join the fight, making an already bad situation worse for everybody in a case of PoorCommunicationKills. The result was a bloody mess.



** The comm lines are highly secure. Too bad the delay caused by them cause the ground team trying to reach the downed helicopters miss their turns, over and over again.

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** The comm lines are highly secure. Too bad the delay caused by them cause the ground team trying to reach the downed helicopters to miss their turns, over and over again.



* BlastingItOutOfTheirHands: Happens to Gallentine, who [[{{Fingore}} loses a thumb in the process]] (it's only hanging on by a shred of skin).
* BoringButPractical: The Delta operators all wear off-the-shelf hockey helmets instead of the kevlar helmets the Rangers use because their missions usually involve raiding houses; the main threat to their heads is bumping them on the low doorways, the hockey helmets are more comfortable, and they're lighter.

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* BlastingItOutOfTheirHands: Happens to Specialist Gallentine, who [[{{Fingore}} loses a thumb in the process]] (it's only hanging on by a shred of skin).
* BoringButPractical: The Delta operators all wear off-the-shelf hockey helmets instead of the kevlar helmets the Rangers use because their missions usually involve raiding houses; the main threat to their heads is bumping them on the low doorways, the hockey helmets are more comfortable, and they're lighter. However, they are also ''not bulletproof''.
16th Jan '16 10:32:03 AM Anddrix
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* ViewersAreMorons: One of the soldiers is a desk clerk who was sent into action and distinguished himself in the battle... and then, back home, was sentenced to 30 years for repeatedly raping his underage daughter. The Pentagon demanded the character's real name to be replaced, so the filmmakers came up with 'Grimes'. [[GoneHorriblyRight However, they tried way too hard]]: any time Grimes appears on screen, someone calls him by name, he speaks his name, or he writes it on his helmet, letter by letter - G-R-I-M-E-S. It backfired heavily because people were eager to find out why Grimes was so important he's mentioned all the time, and very quickly uncovered the real story.
15th Jan '16 5:12:09 AM Anddrix
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** The company clerk pressed into service as an infantryman is named "Grimes" in the film, as the actual Ranger who was in this situation was later sent to prison for rape. [[ViewersAreMorons The film takes great pains to make the audience aware of the character's new name.]]

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** The company clerk pressed into service as an infantryman is named "Grimes" in the film, as the actual Ranger who was in this situation was later sent to prison for rape. [[ViewersAreMorons The film takes great pains to make the audience aware of the character's new name.]]
2nd Jan '16 1:44:38 AM ACW
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* HistoricalHeroUpgrade: The Pentagon pressured the screenwriter to give this to Ewan [=McGregor=]'s character, SPC John "Grimsey" Grimes, who was based on SPC John Stebbins. The real-life Stebbins was sentenced to thirty years in prison for [[CompleteMonster raping his six year old daughter]].

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* HistoricalHeroUpgrade: The Pentagon pressured the screenwriter to give this to Ewan [=McGregor=]'s character, SPC John "Grimsey" Grimes, who was based on SPC John Stebbins. The real-life Stebbins was sentenced to thirty years in prison for [[CompleteMonster raping his six year old daughter]].daughter.
25th Dec '15 8:39:52 AM pasta711
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** In general, the depiction of the Rangers as an elite force of experienced, consummate professionals is incorrect. The [[TeensAreMonsters average age of the Rangers in Mogadishu was 19]] and the majority had never been under fire before. Discipline broke down when the bullets actually started flying, which is part of the reason that there were so many casualities to begin with.
** The grim realities of war and many of the morally reprehensible things the Rangers did during the actual battle are also glossed over or not depicted at all. One of the crashed helicopters crushed a building with a child inside, and an incident where a group of Rangers took a family hostage is not in the movie. General Garrison himself and many of the Rangers interviewed also admitted to firing into crowds, and anything that moved by towards the end of the battle.

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** In general, the depiction of the Rangers as an elite force of experienced, consummate professionals is incorrect. The [[TeensAreMonsters average age of the Rangers in Mogadishu was 19]] and the majority had never been under fire before. Discipline broke down when the bullets actually started flying, which is part of the reason that there were so many casualities causalities to begin with.
** This is not even getting into the fact that being dropped unto rooftops in the middle of an enemy-held urban environment is not something the Rangers, or line troops in any military for that matter, receive the training for. This is because it is actually an exceptionally stupid thing to do. It opens up the force to being surrounded on all sides in a dense, intensely hostile 3D environment, and being cut off from any supporting forces on the ground, which it should be noted is in fact exactly what occurs in the movie. Many retrospective analyses of the battle have come to the conclusion that the entire operation was a suicide mission from the start.
** The grim realities of war and many of the morally reprehensible things the Rangers did during the actual battle are also glossed over or not depicted at all. One of the crashed helicopters crushed a building with a child inside, and an incident where a group of Rangers took a family hostage is not in the movie. General Garrison himself and many of the Rangers interviewed also admitted to firing into crowds, and anything that moved by towards the end of the battle.
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