History Film / BlackHawkDown

19th Jun '17 8:05:02 AM Wiseoung-5
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* EyeScream: Maddox, one of the Humvee drivers, gets an faceful of glass when a Somalia shoots an RPG that shatters the windshield of his Humvee. Granted, his vision isn't completely destroyed.
10th Jun '17 7:53:44 PM Servitor_2152
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* TheIdealist: SGT Eversmann. He receives some [[VitrolicBestBuds good-natured ribbing from his fellow Rangers]] over his being a dyed-in-the-wool believer in America's mission to help the Somali people.

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* TheIdealist: SGT Eversmann. He receives some [[VitrolicBestBuds [[VitriolicBestBuds good-natured ribbing from his fellow Rangers]] over his being a dyed-in-the-wool believer in America's mission to help the Somali people.
29th May '17 9:23:50 PM libertydude
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* VillainousRescue: After Durant is captured, the Somalis look ready to finish him off. Just then, members of Aidid's militia show up and claim him before they can kill him. Granted, it's just so they can have a hostage to negotiate with, but it beats the certain death Durant would've faced otherwise.
4th May '17 9:00:07 PM AFP
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** Before they leave on the mission, Eversmann tells Smith he needs him to watch his back out there, Smith replies with "It's nothing." [[spoiler: When Smith is about to bleed to death during the battle later on, he assures Eversmann with the same phrase.]]
4th May '17 8:56:04 PM AFP
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* TheIdealist: SGT Eversmann. He receives some [[VitrolicBestBuds good-natured ribbing from his fellow Rangers]] over his being a dyed-in-the-wool believer in America's mission to help the Somali people.
17th Mar '17 4:58:01 AM NightShade96
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* ArtisticLicenseHistory: Lots. This is especially apparent if one has read the book that it is [[VeryLooselyBasedOnATrueStory supposedly]] based on. This movie is often considered a prime example of a modern propaganda movie, for these reasons. To wit:
** The famine depicted in the introduction had actually ended a year prior to the events of the battle. By 1993 90% of aid shipments were getting where they were going, and Aideed's militia never fired on civilians getting food from aid stations, nor did they have any particular reason to want to do so either. The UN also never impeded American efforts to protect aid convoys.
** None of the back story is explained at all. The civil war and aforementioned famine had actually been caused by the policies of Siad Barre, the dictator who, with American aid given due to Cold War geopolitics, held control of Somalia from 1969 to 1991. The "international aid mission" was essentially just a convenient cover story for America to attempt to go back in with a force of 30,000 ground troops, and reassert control after Barre was driven into exile.
** The actual reason the Somalis hated the Americans so much, which is not even mentioned in the movie, was due to the conduct of that "humanitarian aid" force prior to the events of the battle. In general, the task force harassed and terrified the population. They often fired mortars into populated areas, and in one particularly notorious incident bombed a meeting of clan elders who were discussing plans for making a peace to end the civil war. Thousands of civilians are believed to have been killed. It should be noted that most of these things were done by the multi-national UN force, but the Americans were the public face of the effort and thus bore the brunt of the resentment, whether deserved or not.
** Local Somalians, in particular, disliked the Black Hawks because pilots would often fly over the streets and use the rotor wash to harass the population. The updraft from a Black Hawk was strong enough to destroy weak buildings, throw market places into chaos, and tear off women's robes and babies from their mother's arms. Many of the interviewed Rangers compared doing this to riding a roller coaster.
** In general, the depiction of the Rangers as an elite force of experienced, consummate professionals is incorrect. The [[NewMeat average age of the Rangers in Mogadishu was 19]] and the majority had never been under fire before. Discipline broke down when the bullets actually started flying, which is part of the reason that there were so many causalities to begin with.
** This is not even getting into the fact that being dropped unto rooftops in the middle of an enemy-held urban environment is not something the Rangers, or line troops in any military for that matter, receive the training for. This is because it is actually an exceptionally stupid thing to do. It opens up the force to being surrounded on all sides in a dense, intensely hostile 3D environment, and being cut off from any supporting forces on the ground, which it should be noted is in fact exactly what occurs in the movie. Many retrospective analyses of the battle have come to the conclusion that the entire operation was a suicide mission from the start.
** The grim realities of war and many of the morally reprehensible things the Rangers did during the actual battle are also glossed over or not depicted at all. One of the crashed helicopters crushed a building with a child inside, and an incident where a group of Rangers took a family hostage is not in the movie. General Garrison himself and many of the Rangers interviewed also admitted to firing into crowds, and anything that moved towards the end of the battle.
** Finally, the Rangers and Delta members stranded in the city were ultimately rescued by a Pakistani armored brigade, which the Americans had almost nothing to do with. This is barely mentioned once in passing. The Pakistanis still drove off and left most of the Americans on foot without support. Their actual contribution to the battle is disputed, and their overall conduct in Somalia was less than stellar.
** Habr-Gedir clan under Aidid was brutal to non-allied clans, [[NotSoDifferent but that's actually pretty normal in Somalia]]. Habr-Gedir were the [[BlackAndGreyMorality designated "bad guys"]] because they happened to be on top of the heap in 1993. Even with Aidid dead and other clans in power, things in Somalia are only ''maybe'' slightly better today.
** Many Habr-Gedir clan soldiers had no particular desire to fight the Americans, and didn't even like Mohammad Farrah Aidid, but Aidid was their recognized clan leader, which is a big deal in Somalia. Many in Habr-Gedir felt that the American mission against Aidid was the result of a personal grudge between Aidid and a UN official, and regarded the US Soldiers as [[UnwittingPawn unwitting pawns]].
** A lot of the indigenous fighters who attacked the crash sites were from other clans opposed to Aidid's Habr-Gedir, and thus at least nominally [[EnemyOfMyEnemy on the same side as the Americans]]. They heard only that American helicopters were attacking the city and went to join the fight, making an already bad situation worse for everybody in a case of PoorCommunicationKills. The result was a bloody mess.
** Blackburn's fall from the helicopter is shown to be the result of the pilot maneuvering to avoid an incoming RPG at exactly the wrong moment. While the book and other accounts of the actual battle haven't definitively established why Blackburn was unable to hold on, it wasn't due to incoming fire - certainly not a rocket. Averted later on when [=McKnight=] asks what happened; the Ranger he questions says simply that Blackburn "missed the rope," and shrugs when asked "How'd he do that?"

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* ArtisticLicenseHistory: Lots. This is especially apparent if one has read the book that it is [[VeryLooselyBasedOnATrueStory supposedly]] based on. This movie is often considered a prime example of a modern propaganda movie, for these reasons. To wit:
** The famine depicted in the introduction had actually ended a year prior to the events of the battle. By 1993 90% of aid shipments were getting where they were going, and Aideed's militia never fired on civilians getting food from aid stations, nor did they have any particular reason to want to do so either. The UN also never impeded American efforts to protect aid convoys.
** None of the back story is explained at all. The civil war and aforementioned famine had actually been caused by the policies of Siad Barre, the dictator who, with American aid given due to Cold War geopolitics, held control of Somalia from 1969 to 1991. The "international aid mission" was essentially just a convenient cover story for America to attempt to go back in with a force of 30,000 ground troops, and reassert control after Barre was driven into exile.
** The actual reason the Somalis hated the Americans so much, which is not even mentioned in the movie, was due to the conduct of that "humanitarian aid" force prior to the events of the battle. In general, the task force harassed and terrified the population. They often fired mortars into populated areas, and in one particularly notorious incident bombed a meeting of clan elders who were discussing plans for making a peace to end the civil war. Thousands of civilians are believed to have been killed. It should be noted that most of these things were done by the multi-national UN force, but the Americans were the public face of the effort and thus bore the brunt of the resentment, whether deserved or not.
** Local Somalians, in particular, disliked the Black Hawks because pilots would often fly over the streets and use the rotor wash to harass the population. The updraft from a Black Hawk was strong enough to destroy weak buildings, throw market places into chaos, and tear off women's robes and babies from their mother's arms. Many of the interviewed Rangers compared doing this to riding a roller coaster.
** In general, the depiction of the Rangers as an elite force of experienced, consummate professionals is incorrect. The [[NewMeat average age of the Rangers in Mogadishu was 19]] and the majority had never been under fire before. Discipline broke down when the bullets actually started flying, which is part of the reason that there were so many causalities to begin with.
** This is not even getting into the fact that being dropped unto rooftops in the middle of an enemy-held urban environment is not something the Rangers, or line troops in any military for that matter, receive the training for. This is because it is actually an exceptionally stupid thing to do. It opens up the force to being surrounded on all sides in a dense, intensely hostile 3D environment, and being cut off from any supporting forces on the ground, which it should be noted is in fact exactly what occurs in the movie. Many retrospective analyses of the battle have come to the conclusion that the entire operation was a suicide mission from the start.
** The grim realities of war and many of the morally reprehensible things the Rangers did during the actual battle are also glossed over or not depicted at all. One of the crashed helicopters crushed a building with a child inside, and an incident where a group of Rangers took a family hostage is not in the movie. General Garrison himself and many of the Rangers interviewed also admitted to firing into crowds, and anything that moved towards the end of the battle.
** Finally, the Rangers and Delta members stranded in the city were ultimately rescued by a Pakistani armored brigade, which the Americans had almost nothing to do with. This is barely mentioned once in passing. The Pakistanis still drove off and left most of the Americans on foot without support. Their actual contribution to the battle is disputed, and their overall conduct in Somalia was less than stellar.
** Habr-Gedir clan under Aidid was brutal to non-allied clans, [[NotSoDifferent but that's actually pretty normal in Somalia]]. Habr-Gedir were the [[BlackAndGreyMorality designated "bad guys"]] because they happened to be on top of the heap in 1993. Even with Aidid dead and other clans in power, things in Somalia are only ''maybe'' slightly better today.
** Many Habr-Gedir clan soldiers had no particular desire to fight the Americans, and didn't even like Mohammad Farrah Aidid, but Aidid was their recognized clan leader, which is a big deal in Somalia. Many in Habr-Gedir felt that the American mission against Aidid was the result of a personal grudge between Aidid and a UN official, and regarded the US Soldiers as [[UnwittingPawn unwitting pawns]].
** A lot of the indigenous fighters who attacked the crash sites were from other clans opposed to Aidid's Habr-Gedir, and thus at least nominally [[EnemyOfMyEnemy on the same side as the Americans]]. They heard only that American helicopters were attacking the city and went to join the fight, making an already bad situation worse for everybody in a case of PoorCommunicationKills. The result was a bloody mess.
** Blackburn's fall from the helicopter is shown to be the result of the pilot maneuvering to avoid an incoming RPG at exactly the wrong moment. While the book and other accounts of the actual battle haven't definitively established why Blackburn was unable to hold on, it wasn't due to incoming fire - certainly not a rocket. Averted later on when [=McKnight=] asks what happened; the Ranger he questions says simply that Blackburn "missed the rope," and shrugs when asked "How'd he do that?"
Has [[ArtisticLicenseHistory/BlackHawkDown its own page]].
19th Feb '17 11:42:20 AM Mdumas43073
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''Black Hawk Down'' is a 2001 war film produced by Creator/JerryBruckheimer, directed by Creator/RidleyScott, and based on the nonfiction book of the same title by Mark Bowden. It depicts the Battle of Mogadishu, a raid integral to the United States' effort to capture Somali warlord Mohamed Farrah Aidid. The movie features Creator/JoshHartnett, Tom Sizemore, Creator/EwanMcGregor, Creator/EricBana, Creator/KimCoates, Ewen Bremner, Creator/WilliamFichtner, Music/SamShepard, Creator/JasonIsaacs, Glenn Morshower, and Creator/OrlandoBloom among many, many others.

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''Black Hawk Down'' is a 2001 war film produced by Creator/JerryBruckheimer, directed by Creator/RidleyScott, and based on the nonfiction book of the same title by Mark Bowden. It The film depicts the Battle of Mogadishu, a 1993 raid integral to the United States' effort to capture Somali [[UsefulNotes/{{Somalia}} Somali]] warlord Mohamed Farrah Aidid. The movie features Creator/JoshHartnett, Tom Sizemore, Creator/EwanMcGregor, Creator/EricBana, Creator/KimCoates, Ewen Bremner, Creator/WilliamFichtner, Music/SamShepard, Creator/JasonIsaacs, Glenn Morshower, and Creator/OrlandoBloom among many, many others.
19th Feb '17 11:40:15 AM Mdumas43073
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''Black Hawk Down'' is a 2001 war film produced by Creator/JerryBruckheimer, directed by Creator/RidleyScott, and based on the book of the same title by Mark Bowden. It depicts the Battle of Mogadishu, a raid integral to the United States' effort to capture Somali warlord Mohamed Farrah Aidid. The movie features Creator/JoshHartnett, Tom Sizemore, Creator/EwanMcGregor, Creator/EricBana, Creator/KimCoates, Ewen Bremner, Creator/WilliamFichtner, Music/SamShepard, Creator/JasonIsaacs, Glenn Morshower, and Creator/OrlandoBloom among many, many others.

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''Black Hawk Down'' is a 2001 war film produced by Creator/JerryBruckheimer, directed by Creator/RidleyScott, and based on the nonfiction book of the same title by Mark Bowden. It depicts the Battle of Mogadishu, a raid integral to the United States' effort to capture Somali warlord Mohamed Farrah Aidid. The movie features Creator/JoshHartnett, Tom Sizemore, Creator/EwanMcGregor, Creator/EricBana, Creator/KimCoates, Ewen Bremner, Creator/WilliamFichtner, Music/SamShepard, Creator/JasonIsaacs, Glenn Morshower, and Creator/OrlandoBloom among many, many others.
19th Feb '17 11:31:13 AM Mdumas43073
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''Black Hawk Down'' (2001) is a war film produced by Creator/JerryBruckheimer and directed by Creator/RidleyScott and based on the book of the same title by Mark Bowden. It depicts the Battle of Mogadishu, a raid integral to the United States' effort to capture Somali warlord Mohamed Farrah Aidid. The movie features Creator/JoshHartnett, Tom Sizemore, Creator/EwanMcGregor, Creator/EricBana, Creator/KimCoates, Ewen Bremner, Creator/WilliamFichtner, Music/SamShepard, Creator/JasonIsaacs, Glenn Morshower, and Creator/OrlandoBloom among many, many others.

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''Black Hawk Down'' (2001) is a 2001 war film produced by Creator/JerryBruckheimer and Creator/JerryBruckheimer, directed by Creator/RidleyScott Creator/RidleyScott, and based on the book of the same title by Mark Bowden. It depicts the Battle of Mogadishu, a raid integral to the United States' effort to capture Somali warlord Mohamed Farrah Aidid. The movie features Creator/JoshHartnett, Tom Sizemore, Creator/EwanMcGregor, Creator/EricBana, Creator/KimCoates, Ewen Bremner, Creator/WilliamFichtner, Music/SamShepard, Creator/JasonIsaacs, Glenn Morshower, and Creator/OrlandoBloom among many, many others.
13th Feb '17 3:55:26 AM morenohijazo
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* MilitaryMaverick: Special Forces units. The book details how these could cause friction with more conventional units... which ended up having some negative consequences in the field.



* MilitaryMaverick: Special Forces units. The book details how these could cause friction with more conventional units... which ended up having some negative consequences in the field.
* MissionCreep: The original incident in Mogadishu was a TropeNamer for Mission Creep and it's tragically illustrated in a film about soldiers finding a reality that severely complicates and compromises their brief.

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* MilitaryMaverick: Special Forces units. The book details how these could cause friction with more conventional units... which ended up having some negative consequences in the field.
* MissionCreep: The original incident in Mogadishu film is set during the Battle of Mogadishu, which was a TropeNamer for Mission Creep when journalist Jim Hoagaland described the term when covering the conflict, and it's tragically illustrated in a film about soldiers finding a reality that severely complicates and compromises their brief. The film displays dramatically the manner in which a seemingly normal mission quickly gets severely complicated.
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