History Film / BlackHawkDown

31st May '18 6:34:31 PM BenDover
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** "Te-tell my girls...I'll be okay..." Wex

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** "Te-tell my girls...I'll be okay..." Wex[[spoiler:Wex]]
29th May '18 11:23:32 AM Kadorhal
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** Hoot, for at least a few scenes, has an M4 carbine (or at least a rubber prop version of one). The real thing wouldn't have been finalized and adopted until the year after the film's events. This one is hard to notice, however, as for scenes where such weapons are actually fired, they're period-accurate Colt Model 727s and 733s - though most of the former are equipped with Aimpoint M68 Close Combat Optics, which weren't standardized until two years later.

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** Hoot, for For at least a few two scenes, has an rubber stunt versions of the M4 carbine (or at least show up (particularly in the scene when Hoot is chastised for having his weapon's safety off while on base, which gives a rubber prop version closeup of one). the safety switch and also clearly shows the screws for removing the carry handle). The real thing wouldn't have been finalized and adopted until 1994, the year after the film's events. This one is hard to notice, however, as for scenes where such weapons are actually fired, they're period-accurate Colt Model 727s and 733s - though most 733s. Most of the former former, however, are also equipped with Aimpoint M68 Close Combat Optics, which weren't standardized until two years later.1995.
26th May '18 4:28:10 PM Kadorhal
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** Hoot, for at least a few scenes, has an M4 carbine (or at least a rubber prop version of one). The real thing wouldn't have been finalized and adopted until the year after the film's events. This one is hard to notice, however, as for scenes where such weapons are actually fired, they're period-accurate Colt Model 727s and 733s - though most of the former are equipped with Aimpoint M68s, which weren't standardized until two years later.

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** Hoot, for at least a few scenes, has an M4 carbine (or at least a rubber prop version of one). The real thing wouldn't have been finalized and adopted until the year after the film's events. This one is hard to notice, however, as for scenes where such weapons are actually fired, they're period-accurate Colt Model 727s and 733s - though most of the former are equipped with Aimpoint M68s, M68 Close Combat Optics, which weren't standardized until two years later.



* {{BFG}}: Two are featured in the film: A recoiless anti-tank rifle used by the militia [[spoiler: and later by Delta Force]], and the M-2 .50 Caliber machine guns on the Humvees, affectionately known to the US armed forces as the "Ma Deuce".

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* {{BFG}}: Two are featured in the film: A recoiless anti-tank rifle used by the militia [[spoiler: and later by Delta Force]], and the M-2 .M2 .50 Caliber caliber machine guns on the Humvees, affectionately known to the US armed forces as the "Ma Deuce".



>'''[=McKnight=]''': [[TheCavalry Need a lift?]]

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>'''[=McKnight=]''': '''[=McKnight=]''': [[TheCavalry Need a lift?]]



* CoolGuns: Whereas the Rangers have only [=M16s=], some with [=M203=] grenade launchers, [=M249s=] and in one case a [=M60=], all with iron sights... the Deltas not only have different helmets and tactical vests but also Colt Model 727 (14.5" barrel)/733 (11.5") carbines with red-dot optics and weaponslights. An older [=CAR-15=] and an anachronistic [=M4A1=] are also seen. Shughart, one of the Delta marksmen, carries an old-style scoped [=M14=], and his partner Gordon carries a suppressed and accessorized [=M733=], both with camouflage paint schemes. Captain Steele and a Ranger medic also use the [=M733=], but without any accessories.
** According to the book, Shughart's use of the clumsy but powerful M14 is TruthInTelevision. The other operators would apparently tease him for insisting on it. Later on, while seething about his ammunition[[note]]high-velocity armor piercing rounds that passed right through his unarmored targets causing minimal damage that could be shrugged off by fighters hopped up on khat[[/note]] (and everything else), SFC Howe would decide that Shughart was the smartest guy in the unit[[note]]the heavier round fired from the [=M14=] (7.62mm x51mm) caused devastating wounds that couldn't be shrugged off[[/note]].

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* CoolGuns: Whereas the Rangers have only [=M16s=], some with [=M203=] grenade launchers, [=M249s=] and in one case a an [=M60=], all with iron sights... the Deltas not only have different helmets and tactical vests but also Colt Model 727 (14.5" barrel)/733 barrel) and 733 (11.5") carbines with red-dot optics and weaponslights. An older [=CAR-15=] and an anachronistic [=M4A1=] are also seen. Shughart, one of the Delta marksmen, carries an old-style scoped [=M14=], and his partner Gordon carries a suppressed and accessorized [=M733=], both with camouflage paint schemes. Captain Steele and a Ranger medic also use the [=M733=], but without any accessories.
** According to the book, Shughart's use of the clumsy but powerful M14 is TruthInTelevision. The other operators would apparently tease him for insisting on it. Later on, while seething about his ammunition[[note]]high-velocity armor piercing rounds that passed right through his unarmored targets targets, causing minimal damage that could be shrugged off by fighters hopped up on khat[[/note]] (and everything else), SFC Howe would decide that Shughart was the smartest guy in the unit[[note]]the heavier round 7.62x51mm rounds fired from by the [=M14=] (7.62mm x51mm) caused devastating wounds that couldn't be shrugged off[[/note]].



-->'''Pilla''': Colonel, they're shooting at us!
-->'''[=McKnight=]''': *stares blankly* Well, ''shoot back!''

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-->'''Pilla''': Colonel, they're shooting at us!
-->'''[=McKnight=]''': *stares blankly*
us!\\
'''[=McKnight=]''': ''(stares blankly)''
Well, ''shoot back!''



--> '''Wilkinson''': ''(The chopper is being punctured with bullet holes)'' [[Film/TheJerk He hates the cans! Stay away from the cans!]]
** Bonus points, he's played by [[Creator/TyBurrell Ty Burrell]].

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--> '''Wilkinson''': ''(The ''(as the chopper is being punctured with bullet holes)'' [[Film/TheJerk He hates the cans! Stay away from the cans!]]
** Bonus points, he's played by [[Creator/TyBurrell Ty Burrell]]. Creator/TyBurrell.



* DontMakeMeDestroyYou: When Specialist Mike Kurth sees a woman about to pick up a gun. He yells for her not to do it...and Struecker unhesitatingly shreds her when she [[TooDumbToLive does]].

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* DontMakeMeDestroyYou: When Specialist Mike Kurth sees a woman about to pick up a gun. He yells for her not to do it... and Struecker unhesitatingly shreds her when she [[TooDumbToLive she does]].



-->'''''Wolcott''': You touch my limo and I'll spank you, Night Stalker. You hear me?''
-->'''''Durant''': Yeah. Promises.''

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-->'''''Wolcott''': -->'''Wolcott''': You touch my limo and I'll spank you, Night Stalker. You hear me?''
-->'''''Durant''':
me?\\
'''Durant''':
Yeah. Promises.''



-->'''Hoot''': ''When I go home people'll ask me, 'Hey Hoot, why do you do it man? What, are you some kinda war junkie?' You know what I'll say? I won't say a goddamn word. Why? They won't understand. They won't understand why we do it. They won't understand that [[BandOfBrothers it's about the men next to you]], and that's it. That's all it is.''

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-->'''Hoot''': ''When When I go home people'll ask me, 'Hey Hoot, why do you do it man? What, are you some kinda war junkie?' You know what I'll say? I won't say a goddamn word. Why? They won't understand. They won't understand why we do it. They won't understand that [[BandOfBrothers it's about the men next to you]], and that's it. That's all it is.''
26th May '18 4:09:45 PM Kadorhal
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-->'''Hassan''': "You are the ranger who kills my people?"
-->'''Durant''': "I'm not a ranger, I'm a pilot."
-->'''Hassan''': [[PetTheDog [Offers Durant a smoke]], Durant refuses] "That's right, none of you Americans smoke anymore. You all live long, dull, uninteresting lives."
-->'''Durant''': "What do you want with me?"
-->'''Hassan''': "You have taken hostages, we have you."
-->'''Durant''': "My government will never negotiate for me."
-->'''Hassan''': "Then perhaps... you and ''I'' can negotiate, eh? [[NotSoDifferent Soldier to soldier.]] [[PunchClockVillain [Offers Durant water]]]
-->'''Durant''': "I'm not in charge."
-->'''Hassan''': "Of course not, you have the power to kill but not negotiate. In Somalia, killing ''is'' negotiation. Do you really think if you get General Aidid, we will simply put down our weapons and adopt ''American democracy?'' That the killing will stop? We know this, without victory, there can be no peace. There will always be killing, you see. This is how things are in ''our'' world." [Tosses Durant his dogtags]

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-->'''Hassan''': "You You are the ranger who kills my people?"
-->'''Durant''': "I'm
people?\\
'''Durant''': I'm
not a ranger, I'm a pilot."
-->'''Hassan''': [[PetTheDog [Offers
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'''Hassan''': ''[[PetTheDog (offers
Durant a smoke]], Durant refuses] "That's refuses)'' That's right, none of you Americans smoke anymore. You all live long, dull, uninteresting lives."
-->'''Durant''': "What
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'''Durant''': What
do you want with me?"
-->'''Hassan''': "You
me?\\
'''Hassan''': You
have taken hostages, we have you."
-->'''Durant''': "My
\\
'''Durant''': My
government will never negotiate for me."
-->'''Hassan''': "Then
\\
'''Hassan''': Then
perhaps... you and ''I'' can negotiate, eh? [[NotSoDifferent Soldier to soldier.]] [[PunchClockVillain [Offers ''[[PunchClockVillain (offers Durant water]]]
-->'''Durant''': "I'm
water)]]\\
'''Durant''': I'm
not in charge."
-->'''Hassan''': "Of
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'''Hassan''': Of
course not, you have the power to kill but not negotiate. In Somalia, killing ''is'' negotiation. Do you really think if you get General Aidid, we will simply put down our weapons and adopt ''American democracy?'' That the killing will stop? We know this, without victory, there can be no peace. There will always be killing, you see. This is how things are in ''our'' world." [Tosses ''(tosses Durant his dogtags]dogtags]''



* BasedOnATrueStory: Several notable things were changed for the movie, most concerning Eversmann. In real life he jumped on the convoy as it was pulling out the first time, and when it eventually returned to base, so did he. Upon arrival, he [[OhCrap found the airport almost completely undefended]][[note]]Luckily the Somalis never noticed. If they had, they would've quickly overrun the base and the Rangers would've been thoroughly screwed[[/note]] and immediately went to work correcting that. He did not participate in most of the combat depicted in the film, and his lieutenant, [=DiTomasso=], was more important at the first crash site. Also, PFC Grimes is a fictional composite. The real PFC Stebbins on whom "Grimes" is based was later convicted of a distasteful crime and is rightfully considered a disgrace by the Army in general and the 75th Rangers in particular. The Pentagon requested that Stebbins not be mentioned in the film. However, his actions during the battle were too important to omit, so the fictional character of Grimes was created to replace him.
** Both the studio and the Army were accused of either glorifying a sexual predator or whitewashing his crimes due to the Stebbins/Grimes issue. Sometimes you just can't win.

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* BasedOnATrueStory: Several notable things were changed for the movie, most concerning Eversmann. In real life he jumped on the convoy as it was pulling out the first time, and when it eventually returned to base, so did he. Upon arrival, he [[OhCrap found the airport almost completely undefended]][[note]]Luckily the Somalis never noticed. If they had, they would've quickly overrun the base and the Rangers would've been thoroughly screwed[[/note]] and immediately went to work correcting that. He did not participate in most of the combat depicted in the film, and his lieutenant, [=DiTomasso=], was more important at the first crash site. Also, PFC Grimes is a fictional composite. The real PFC Stebbins on whom "Grimes" is based was later convicted of a distasteful crime and is rightfully considered a disgrace by the Army in general and the 75th Rangers in particular. The Pentagon requested that Stebbins not be mentioned in the film. However, his actions during the battle were too important to omit, so the fictional character of Grimes was created to replace him.
**
him. Both the studio and the Army were subsequently accused of either glorifying a sexual predator or whitewashing his crimes due to the Stebbins/Grimes issue.crimes. Sometimes you just can't win.



-->'''Grimes''': *blasted several feet away by an RPG blast* [[AtomicFBomb FUUUUUCK THIIIIIIIIS!!!!]]

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-->'''Grimes''': *blasted ''(blasted several feet away by an RPG blast* blast)'' [[AtomicFBomb FUUUUUCK THIIIIIIIIS!!!!]]



* BittersweetEnding: The battle went horribly wrong (and caused Bill Clinton to take the troops out of Somalia), but the Rangers and Deltas still managed to get out of Mogadishu by the next day, preventing more losses from occurring (on either the American or Somali side).

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* BittersweetEnding: The battle went horribly wrong (and caused Bill Clinton to take the troops out of Somalia), but the Rangers and Deltas still managed to get out of Mogadishu by the next day, preventing more losses from occurring (on on either the American or Somali side).side.



-->'''Steele''': I thought I heard a noise out here!
-->'''[=McKnight=]''': [[TheCavalry Need a lift?]]

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-->'''Steele''': I thought I heard a noise out here!
-->'''[=McKnight=]''':
here!\\
>'''[=McKnight=]''':
[[TheCavalry Need a lift?]]
30th Apr '18 1:09:44 PM BenDover
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** One of the Deltas is ''torn in half'' when an RPG hits the armoured car he's in. ''It doesn't kill him instantly''.

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** One of the Deltas (Wex) is ''torn in half'' when an RPG hits the armoured car he's in. ''It doesn't kill him instantly''.
30th Apr '18 1:08:48 PM BenDover
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** "Te-tell my girls...I'll be okay..." Wex
15th Feb '18 8:25:33 AM XFllo
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** Hoot in particular stands out as he seems more than a little callous about the whole conflict, and about the lives lost, not to mention his disregard for firesarms safety. However, he is just hyper-professional, and encourages Eversmann not to doubt himself or how he handled the mission. In his last scene, he more or less says that the reason he fights is [[BandOfBrothers for the sake of the guy next to him.]] And then he puts the JerkassFacade [[invoked]] back on, telling an ([[HeroicFatigue obviously exhausted and strung-out]]) Eversman not to try and go back out with him, because he works better alone.

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** Hoot in particular stands out as he seems more than a little callous about the whole conflict, and about the lives lost, not to mention his disregard for firesarms safety. However, he is just hyper-professional, and encourages Eversmann not to doubt himself or how he handled the mission. In his last scene, he more or less says that the reason he fights is [[BandOfBrothers for the sake of the guy next to him.]] And then he puts the JerkassFacade jerkass demeanour [[invoked]] back on, telling an ([[HeroicFatigue obviously exhausted and strung-out]]) Eversman not to try and go back out with him, because he works better alone.
8th Jan '18 12:28:07 PM k410ren
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* BoomHeadshot: Gordon is killed when a militiaman sprays his rifle into the cockpit, with one bullet catching him in the head.



* CompositeCharacter: Several characters, but most prominently Eversman, who was actually part of the "lost convoy" in real life. A number of the Delta operators are composites as well.

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* CompositeCharacter: Several characters, but most prominently Eversman, Eversmann, who was actually part of the "lost convoy" in real life. A number of the Delta operators are composites as well.



** According to the book, Shughart's use of the clumsy but powerful M14 is TruthInTelevision. The other operators would apparently tease him for insisting on it. Later on, while seething about his ammunition[[note]]high-velocity armor piercing rounds that passed right through his unarmored targets causing minimal damage that could be shrugged off by fighters hopped up on khat[[/note]] (and everything else), SFC Howe would decide that Shughart was the smartest guy in the unit[[note]]the heavier round fired from the [=M14=] caused devastating wounds that couldn't be shrugged off[[/note]].

to:

** According to the book, Shughart's use of the clumsy but powerful M14 is TruthInTelevision. The other operators would apparently tease him for insisting on it. Later on, while seething about his ammunition[[note]]high-velocity armor piercing rounds that passed right through his unarmored targets causing minimal damage that could be shrugged off by fighters hopped up on khat[[/note]] (and everything else), SFC Howe would decide that Shughart was the smartest guy in the unit[[note]]the heavier round fired from the [=M14=] (7.62mm x51mm) caused devastating wounds that couldn't be shrugged off[[/note]].



* DeathOfAThousandCuts: At the end of his LastStand, Shughart is shot several times in the arms and back, before getting shot 11 times in the chest at point-blank range.



* DontMakeMeDestroyYou: When Specialist Mike Kurth sees a woman about to pick up a gun. He yells for her not to do it...and unhesitatingly shreds her when she [[TooDumbToLive does]].

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* DontMakeMeDestroyYou: When Specialist Mike Kurth sees a woman about to pick up a gun. He yells for her not to do it...and Struecker unhesitatingly shreds her when she [[TooDumbToLive does]].



* ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice: Kowalewski is killed when he is shot with an [=RPG=], which passes partway out the other side of his body without blowing up.



-->'''Lt. Col. Mc Knight''': ''How are things going? Things okay there, Struecker?''

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-->'''Lt. Col. Mc Knight''': [=McKnight=]''': ''How are things going? Things okay there, Struecker?''



** Before they leave on the mission, Eversmann tells Smith he needs him to watch his back out there, Smith replies with "It's nothing." [[spoiler: When Smith is about to bleed to death during the battle later on, he assures Eversmann with the same phrase.]]

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** Before they leave on the mission, Eversmann tells Smith he needs him to watch his back out there, Smith replies with "It's nothing." [[spoiler: When [[spoiler:When Smith is about to bleed to death during the battle later on, he assures Eversmann with the same phrase.]]
22nd Dec '17 8:59:04 AM k410ren
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* ImpromptuTracheotomy: Sgt. Dominick Pilla becomes the first casualty when he gets shot in the throat while manning a Humvee turret.



* OhCrap: The look on the Aidid militia officer's face when he realizes [[spoiler: Delta has commandeered his recoilless rifle and are pointing it at him.]]

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* OhCrap: The look on the Aidid militia officer's face when he realizes [[spoiler: Delta [[spoiler:Delta has commandeered his recoilless rifle and are pointing it at him.]]


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* ThousandYardStare: Durant when Randy is killed.


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* WeaponOfChoice: An [=M14=] battle rifle for Randy Shughart.
18th Dec '17 6:40:11 AM k410ren
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** [[spoiler:”Randy,]] last mag! [[spoiler:Gary Gordon]]
** [[spoiler:”Gordy’s]] gone, man. I’ll be outside. Good luck. [[spoiler:Randy Shughart]]

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** [[spoiler:”Randy,]] last mag! mag!” [[spoiler:Gary Gordon]]
** [[spoiler:”Gordy’s]] gone, man. I’ll be outside. Good luck. [[spoiler:Randy Shughart]]
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