Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
tweaked wording
Changed line(s) 36 (click to see context) from:
* NiceGuy: C.J. was one of the nicest, kindest, and sociable soldiers under Sgt. Waters. [[spoiler:Which made Waters' set up of C.J. made the dead man even more detestable.]]
to:
* NiceGuy: C.J. was one of the nicest, kindest, and most sociable soldiers under Sgt. Waters. [[spoiler:Which made Waters' set up of C.J. made the dead man even more detestable.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
tweaked wording
Changed line(s) 42 (click to see context) from:
* TheReveal: [[spoiler:Sgt. Waters was killed by his own men.]]
to:
* TheReveal: [[spoiler:Sgt. Waters was killed by one of his own men.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
mis-use: the trope is where the same event is recounted by several characters, and the stories differ in ways that are impossible to reconcile. This doesn't happen in the movie as each character Davenport interviews has a flashback that adds more detail to Water's relationship with his men, but it doesn't conflict with previous flashbacks.
Deleted line(s) 42 (click to see context) :
* RashomonPlot: Told mostly as flashbacks, there's bound to be one or two UnreliableNarrator types [[spoiler:And one of them's the killer.]] What starts off as an investigation into a Black sergeant's murder reveals the sordid event of [[spoiler:C.J.'s suicide.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
While Waters and Peterson do have attitudes that overlap, the trope is about the two characters recognizing that fact and acknowledging it in-universe. This never happens in the movie as Peterson actively avoids Waters after his beat-down and then he is killed.
Deleted line(s) 41,43 (click to see context) :
* NotSoDifferent: Both Waters and [[spoiler: Peterson]] feel like they have the right to decide who deserve life or death. [[spoiler:Waters wanted to ''promote'' Peterson because of his defiant attitude.]]
** Worse: Both Waters and [[spoiler:Peterson]] feel like they have to right to decide who's really Black.
** During an earlier scene, after the big baseball win, Waters disparages C.J. for his ignorant ways. [[spoiler:Peterson does the same thing when C.J. offers him a good luck charm when Peterson and Waters are about to fist-fight.]]
** Worse: Both Waters and [[spoiler:Peterson]] feel like they have to right to decide who's really Black.
** During an earlier scene, after the big baseball win, Waters disparages C.J. for his ignorant ways. [[spoiler:Peterson does the same thing when C.J. offers him a good luck charm when Peterson and Waters are about to fist-fight.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Mis-use: Cobbs and C.J. were just friends, there's no screen time that shows them as having the deep friendship or constant interactions expected of this trope
Deleted line(s) 35 (click to see context) :
* HeterosexualLifePartners: Cobbs and C.J. become this due to being from the South.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Waters was never demonstrated to have a "heart of gold". Claims to that effect in a murder-mystery are not sufficient to establish the trope.
Deleted line(s) 37 (click to see context) :
* JerkWithAHeartOfGold: Private Wilkie explained that even with his harsh demeanor, [[BlatantLies Sgt. Waters was a good man]]. [[spoiler:{{Subverted}} when it was discovered in Wilkie's flashback that the sergeant set up C.J. solely because he though the soldier was "stereotypical". Wilkie then explodes in frustration that Waters took his Sergeant's rank for something most superiors would ignore. "'''No! He wasn't a nice guy!''' You don't turn somebody in for that. You give extra duty. You chew 'em out. But three stripes.... It took me years to get them stripes." In fact, he was manipulated by Waters offering to give him his stripes back if he framed C.J.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
This is speculation. There are many reasons why Davenport would be crying in this scene.
Deleted line(s) 13 (click to see context) :
** [[spoiler:Peterson can't answer Davenport's question. But when Peterson is dragged off to jail for Waters' death, Davenport realizes to his horror ''he'' can't answer his own question, and starts crying.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
It wasn't just that Waters "didn't like him" it was that Waters has a pathological hatred of any Black that he feels is acting in a stereotypical manner. C.J. was just his latest victim.
Deleted line(s) 30 (click to see context) :
* EvilIsPetty: [[spoiler: Waters frames CJ, intentionally provokes him, and has him thrown in the stockade. Why? He didn’t like him.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
tweaked wording
Changed line(s) 33,34 (click to see context) from:
* HannibalLecture: Waters gives a disturbing monologue [[spoiler:to Wilkie]] about how he got to be so hateful:
-->Do you know the damage one ignorant Negro can do? We were in France in the First War. We'd won decorations, but the white boys had told all them French gals that we had tails. And they found this ignorant Colored soldier, paid him to tie a tail to his ass and run around half-naked making monkey sounds. They put him on a big round table in the Cafe Napoleon, put a reed in his hand, a crown on his head, blanket on his shoulders and made him eat ''bananas'' in front of all them Frenchies! The white boys danced and passed out leaflets with his picture on it. Called him "Moonshine, King of the Monkeys!"\\
-->Do you know the damage one ignorant Negro can do? We were in France in the First War. We'd won decorations, but the white boys had told all them French gals that we had tails. And they found this ignorant Colored soldier, paid him to tie a tail to his ass and run around half-naked making monkey sounds. They put him on a big round table in the Cafe Napoleon, put a reed in his hand, a crown on his head, blanket on his shoulders and made him eat ''bananas'' in front of all them Frenchies! The white boys danced and passed out leaflets with his picture on it. Called him "Moonshine, King of the Monkeys!"\\
to:
* HannibalLecture: Waters gives a disturbing monologue [[spoiler:to Wilkie]] about how he got much he is repulsed by Blacks that cater to be so hateful:
-->Dothe stereotypical images of their race.
-->'''Waters:''' Do you know the damage one ignorant Negro can do? We were in France in the First War. We'd won decorations, but the white boys had told all them French gals that we had tails. And they found this ignorant Colored soldier, paid him to tie a tail to his ass and run around half-naked making monkey sounds. They put him on a big round table in the Cafe Napoleon, put a reed in his hand, a crown on his head, blanket on his shoulders and made him eat ''bananas'' in front of all them Frenchies! The white boys danced and passed out leaflets with his picture on it. Called him "Moonshine, King of the Monkeys!"\\
-->Do
-->'''Waters:''' Do you know the damage one ignorant Negro can do? We were in France in the First War. We'd won decorations, but the white boys had told all them French gals that we had tails. And they found this ignorant Colored soldier, paid him to tie a tail to his ass and run around half-naked making monkey sounds. They put him on a big round table in the Cafe Napoleon, put a reed in his hand, a crown on his head, blanket on his shoulders and made him eat ''bananas'' in front of all them Frenchies! The white boys danced and passed out leaflets with his picture on it. Called him "Moonshine, King of the Monkeys!"\\
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
mis-use: This trope is about the villain having a moral line they will not cross because of "standards". In this case, Waters was more than willing to cross moral lines due to his racial hatred. He is driven to despair because his plans for C.J. backfired when he killed himself.
Deleted line(s) 30 (click to see context) :
* EvenEvilHasStandards: [[spoiler: Waters is a murderer who’s willing to throw one of his own guys under the bus [[EvilIsPetty for the pettiest of reasons,]] but he’s surprisingly disturbed when the guy he’s screwing over hangs himself in his cell, and even gets drunk over it.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
tweaked wording
Changed line(s) 20 (click to see context) from:
* CombatPragmatist: Was how Sgt. Waters got the upperhand against his fight with Peterson. By throwing dirt in his eyes.
to:
* CombatPragmatist: Was how Sgt. Waters got gets the upperhand against upper-hand in his fight fist-fight with Peterson. By Peterson by throwing dirt in his eyes.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
the trope is about the victim you don't feel sorry for when bad things happens to them. C.J. is not an example of this trope, Waters is the better choice.
Changed line(s) 15,16 (click to see context) from:
* AssholeVictim: Sgt. Waters' actions led to [[spoiler:C.J.'s suicide]].
** It’s even implied [[spoiler: Waters was the one who killed the murdered white MP, seeing as how he planted a recently discharged firearm under C.J.’s bed...]]
** It’s even implied [[spoiler: Waters was the one who killed the murdered white MP, seeing as how he planted a recently discharged firearm under C.J.’s bed...]]
to:
* AssholeVictim: Sgt. Waters' actions led to [[spoiler:C.J.'s suicide]].
** It’s even implied [[spoiler: Waters wasThe film opens with [[spoiler:Sgt. Water's death]] and there is initial shock, horror and concern at the one who killed event. As the murdered white MP, seeing as how he planted a recently discharged firearm under C.J.’s bed...]]story unfolds and his character is revealed, it shifts into this trope.
** It’s even implied [[spoiler: Waters was
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
This is not aspoiler
Changed line(s) 8,9 (click to see context) from:
The setting is the segregated black U.S. Army base of Fort Neal, Louisiana in 1944, during UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. Sergeant Vernon Waters (Caesar) has been murdered by an unknown shooter. Captain Richard Davenport (Rollins) is sent in from the JAG Corps to investigate the killing. At first, the Klan or racist white soldiers are suspected of the crime. Through his investigation, Davenport discovers the truth that racism indeed played a part, [[spoiler:but not in the way he was expecting...]]
to:
The setting is the segregated black U.S. Army base of Fort Neal, Louisiana in 1944, during UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. Sergeant Vernon Waters (Caesar) has been murdered by an unknown shooter. Captain Richard Davenport (Rollins) is sent in from the JAG Corps to investigate the killing. At first, the Klan or racist white soldiers are suspected of the crime. Through his investigation, Davenport discovers the truth that racism indeed played a part, [[spoiler:but but not in the way he was expecting...]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 17 (click to see context) from:
** It’s even implied [[spoiler: Waters was the one who killed the murdered white MP, seeing as how he planted a recently discharged firearm under the guy’s bed...]]
to:
** It’s even implied [[spoiler: Waters was the one who killed the murdered white MP, seeing as how he planted a recently discharged firearm under the guy’s C.J.’s bed...]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
** It’s even implied [[spoiler: Waters was the one who killed the murdered white MP, seeing as how he planted a recently discharged firearm under the guy’s bed...]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* EvilIsPetty: [[spoiler: Waters frames CJ, intentionally provokes him, and has him thrown in the stockade. Why? He didn’t like him.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* EvenEvilHasStandards: [[spoiler: Waters is a murderer who’s willing to throw one of his own guys under the bus [[EvilIsPetty for the pettiest of reasons,]] but he’s surprisingly disturbed when the guy he’s screwing over hangs himself in his cell, and even gets drunk over it.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 28 (click to see context) from:
* DrivenToSuicide: C.J. Memphis.
to:
* DrivenToSuicide: C.[[spoiler:C.J. Memphis.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 57,58 (click to see context) from:
* TragicVillain: Sgt. Waters may have a cruel man who [[spoiler:framed C.J. But he never intended for the young man to take his own life.]]
* UncleTomfoolery: Waters despises this trope. He even tells a story of how he and some of his mates killed a black guy in France because he allowed whites to dress him like a monkey and live out every racist stereotype.
* UncleTomfoolery: Waters despises this trope. He even tells a story of how he and some of his mates killed a black guy in France because he allowed whites to dress him like a monkey and live out every racist stereotype.
to:
* TragicVillain: Sgt. Waters may have been a cruel man who [[spoiler:framed C.J. But he never intended for the young man to take his own life.]]
* UncleTomfoolery: Waters despises this trope. He even tells a story of how he and some of his mates killed a black guy in France during UsefulNotes/WorldWarI because he allowed whites to dress him like a monkey and live out every racist stereotype.
* UncleTomfoolery: Waters despises this trope. He even tells a story of how he and some of his mates killed a black guy in France during UsefulNotes/WorldWarI because he allowed whites to dress him like a monkey and live out every racist stereotype.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 6,7 (click to see context) from:
A 1984 wartime drama/mystery film directed by Norman Jewison, ''A Soldier's Story'' was adapted by screenwriter Charles Fuller from his own UsefulNotes/PulitzerPrize-winning 1982 off-Broadway play ''A Soldier's Play'', which was also a loose SettingUpdate of ''Literature/BillyBudd''. The film stars Howard E. Rollins Jr. and Adolph Caesar, with a supporting cast that includes Art Evans, David Harris, David Alan Grier, Dennis Lipscomb, Larry Riley, Robert Townsend, and Creator/DenzelWashington; Caesar, Riley and Washington had all originated their roles in the play. Jazz great Music/HerbieHancock composed the film's score.
to:
A 1984 wartime drama/mystery film directed by Norman Jewison, ''A Soldier's Story'' was adapted by screenwriter Charles Fuller from his own UsefulNotes/PulitzerPrize-winning 1982 off-Broadway play ''A Soldier's Play'', which was also a loose SettingUpdate of ''Literature/BillyBudd''. The film stars Howard E. Rollins Jr. and Adolph Caesar, with a supporting cast that includes Art Evans, David Harris, David Alan Grier, Creator/DenzelWashington, Dennis Lipscomb, Art Evans, Larry Riley, Robert Townsend, and Creator/DenzelWashington; David Alan Grier; Caesar, Washington, and Riley and Washington had all originated their roles in the play. Jazz great Music/HerbieHancock composed the film's score.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 6,7 (click to see context) from:
A 1984 wartime drama/mystery film directed by Norman Jewison, ''A Soldier's Story'' was adapted by screenwriter Charles Fuller from his own UsefulNotes/PulitzerPrize-winning 1982 off-Broadway play ''A Soldier's Play'', which was also a loose SettingUpdate of ''Literature/BillyBudd''. The film stars Howard E. Rollins Jr. and Adolph Caesar, with a supporting cast including Art Evans, David Harris, David Alan Grier, Dennis Lipscomb, Larry Riley, Robert Townsend, and Creator/DenzelWashington; Caesar, Riley and Washington had all originated their roles in the play. Jazz great Music/HerbieHancock composed the film's score.
to:
A 1984 wartime drama/mystery film directed by Norman Jewison, ''A Soldier's Story'' was adapted by screenwriter Charles Fuller from his own UsefulNotes/PulitzerPrize-winning 1982 off-Broadway play ''A Soldier's Play'', which was also a loose SettingUpdate of ''Literature/BillyBudd''. The film stars Howard E. Rollins Jr. and Adolph Caesar, with a supporting cast including that includes Art Evans, David Harris, David Alan Grier, Dennis Lipscomb, Larry Riley, Robert Townsend, and Creator/DenzelWashington; Caesar, Riley and Washington had all originated their roles in the play. Jazz great Music/HerbieHancock composed the film's score.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 6,7 (click to see context) from:
A 1984 wartime drama/mystery film directed by Norman Jewison, ''A Soldier's Story'' was adapted by screenwriter Charles Fuller from his own UsefulNotes/PulitzerPrize-winning 1982 off-Broadway play ''A Soldier's Play'', which was also a loose SettingUpdate of ''Literature/BillyBudd''. The film stars Howard E. Rollins Jr. and Adolph Caesar, with a supporting cast including Art Evans, David Harris, David Alan Grier, Dennis Lipscomb, Larry Riley, Robert Townsend, and Creator/DenzelWashington; Caesar, Riley and Washington had all originated their roles in the play.
to:
A 1984 wartime drama/mystery film directed by Norman Jewison, ''A Soldier's Story'' was adapted by screenwriter Charles Fuller from his own UsefulNotes/PulitzerPrize-winning 1982 off-Broadway play ''A Soldier's Play'', which was also a loose SettingUpdate of ''Literature/BillyBudd''. The film stars Howard E. Rollins Jr. and Adolph Caesar, with a supporting cast including Art Evans, David Harris, David Alan Grier, Dennis Lipscomb, Larry Riley, Robert Townsend, and Creator/DenzelWashington; Caesar, Riley and Washington had all originated their roles in the play.
play. Jazz great Music/HerbieHancock composed the film's score.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 6,7 (click to see context) from:
A 1984 wartime drama/mystery film directed by Norman Jewison, ''A Soldier's Story'' was adapted by Charles Fuller from his own UsefulNotes/PulitzerPrize-winning 1982 off-Broadway play ''A Soldier's Play'', which was also a loose SettingUpdate of ''Literature/BillyBudd''. The film stars Howard E. Rollins Jr. and Adolph Caesar, with a supporting cast including Art Evans, David Harris, David Alan Grier, Dennis Lipscomb, Larry Riley, Robert Townsend, and Creator/DenzelWashington; Caesar, Riley and Washington had all originated their roles in the play.
to:
A 1984 wartime drama/mystery film directed by Norman Jewison, ''A Soldier's Story'' was adapted by screenwriter Charles Fuller from his own UsefulNotes/PulitzerPrize-winning 1982 off-Broadway play ''A Soldier's Play'', which was also a loose SettingUpdate of ''Literature/BillyBudd''. The film stars Howard E. Rollins Jr. and Adolph Caesar, with a supporting cast including Art Evans, David Harris, David Alan Grier, Dennis Lipscomb, Larry Riley, Robert Townsend, and Creator/DenzelWashington; Caesar, Riley and Washington had all originated their roles in the play.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 6,7 (click to see context) from:
A 1984 film directed by Norman Jewison, ''A Soldier's Story'' was adapted by Charles Fuller from his own UsefulNotes/PulitzerPrize-winning 1982 off-Broadway play ''A Soldier's Play'', which was also a loose SettingUpdate of ''Literature/BillyBudd''. The film stars Howard E. Rollins Jr. and Adolph Caesar, with a supporting cast including Art Evans, David Harris, David Alan Grier, Dennis Lipscomb, Larry Riley, Robert Townsend, and Creator/DenzelWashington; Caesar, Riley and Washington had all originated their roles in the play.
to:
A 1984 wartime drama/mystery film directed by Norman Jewison, ''A Soldier's Story'' was adapted by Charles Fuller from his own UsefulNotes/PulitzerPrize-winning 1982 off-Broadway play ''A Soldier's Play'', which was also a loose SettingUpdate of ''Literature/BillyBudd''. The film stars Howard E. Rollins Jr. and Adolph Caesar, with a supporting cast including Art Evans, David Harris, David Alan Grier, Dennis Lipscomb, Larry Riley, Robert Townsend, and Creator/DenzelWashington; Caesar, Riley and Washington had all originated their roles in the play.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 24 (click to see context) from:
** Sgt. Waters set up C.J. only because he thought C.J. was being a stereotypical "Geechee". He even reveals to C.J. that he has done this before to others under his command.
to:
** Sgt.It turns out that [[spoiler:Sgt. Waters set up C.J. only because he thought C.J. was being a stereotypical "Geechee". He even reveals to C.J. that he has done this before to others under his command.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 8,9 (click to see context) from:
The setting is the segregated black U.S. Army base of Fort Neal, Louisiana in 1944, during UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. Sergeant Vernon Waters (Caesar) has been murdered by an unknown shooter. Captain Richard Davenport (Rollins) is sent in from the JAG Corps to investigate the killing. At first, the Klan or racist white soldiers are suspected of the crime. Through his investigation, Davenport finds the truth that racism played a part, [[spoiler:but not in the way he was expecting...]]
to:
The setting is the segregated black U.S. Army base of Fort Neal, Louisiana in 1944, during UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. Sergeant Vernon Waters (Caesar) has been murdered by an unknown shooter. Captain Richard Davenport (Rollins) is sent in from the JAG Corps to investigate the killing. At first, the Klan or racist white soldiers are suspected of the crime. Through his investigation, Davenport finds discovers the truth that racism indeed played a part, [[spoiler:but not in the way he was expecting...]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 8,9 (click to see context) from:
The setting is the segregated black U.S. Army base of Fort Neal, Louisiana in 1944, during UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. Sergeant Vernon Waters (Caesar) has been murdered by an unknown shooter. Captain Richard Davenport (Rollins) is sent in to investigate the killing. At first, the Klan or racist white soldiers are suspected of the crime. Through his investigation, Davenport finds the truth that racism played a part, [[spoiler:but not in the way he was expecting...]]
to:
The setting is the segregated black U.S. Army base of Fort Neal, Louisiana in 1944, during UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. Sergeant Vernon Waters (Caesar) has been murdered by an unknown shooter. Captain Richard Davenport (Rollins) is sent in from the JAG Corps to investigate the killing. At first, the Klan or racist white soldiers are suspected of the crime. Through his investigation, Davenport finds the truth that racism played a part, [[spoiler:but not in the way he was expecting...]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 6,8 (click to see context) from:
A 1984 film directed by Norman Jewison, ''A Soldier's Story'' was adapted by Charles Fuller from his own UsefulNotes/PulitzerPrize-winning play ''A Soldier's Play'', which was also a loose SettingUpdate of ''Literature/BillyBudd''. The film starred Creator/DenzelWashington, Adolph Caesar and Larry Riley, all of whom originated their roles in the play.
The setting is Fort Neal, Louisiana in 1944. Sergeant Vernon Waters has been murdered by an unknown shooter. Captain Richard Davenport is sent in to investigate the killing. At first, the Klan or racist white soldiers are suspected of the crime. Through his investigation, Davenport finds the truth that racism played a part, [[spoiler:but not in the way he was expecting...]]
The setting is Fort Neal, Louisiana in 1944. Sergeant Vernon Waters has been murdered by an unknown shooter. Captain Richard Davenport is sent in to investigate the killing. At first, the Klan or racist white soldiers are suspected of the crime. Through his investigation, Davenport finds the truth that racism played a part, [[spoiler:but not in the way he was expecting...]]
to:
A 1984 film directed by Norman Jewison, ''A Soldier's Story'' was adapted by Charles Fuller from his own UsefulNotes/PulitzerPrize-winning 1982 off-Broadway play ''A Soldier's Play'', which was also a loose SettingUpdate of ''Literature/BillyBudd''. The film starred Creator/DenzelWashington, stars Howard E. Rollins Jr. and Adolph Caesar and Caesar, with a supporting cast including Art Evans, David Harris, David Alan Grier, Dennis Lipscomb, Larry Riley, Robert Townsend, and Creator/DenzelWashington; Caesar, Riley and Washington had all of whom originated their roles in the play.
The setting is the segregated black U.S. Army base of Fort Neal, Louisiana in1944. 1944, during UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. Sergeant Vernon Waters (Caesar) has been murdered by an unknown shooter. Captain Richard Davenport (Rollins) is sent in to investigate the killing. At first, the Klan or racist white soldiers are suspected of the crime. Through his investigation, Davenport finds the truth that racism played a part, [[spoiler:but not in the way he was expecting...]]]]
The setting is the segregated black U.S. Army base of Fort Neal, Louisiana in
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 6,7 (click to see context) from:
A 1984 film directed by Norman Jewison, ''A Soldier's Story'' was adapted by Charles Fuller from his own PulitzerPrize-winning play ''A Soldier's Play'', which was also a loose SettingUpdate of ''Literature/BillyBudd''. The film starred Creator/DenzelWashington, Adolph Caesar and Larry Riley, all of whom originated their roles in the play.
to:
A 1984 film directed by Norman Jewison, ''A Soldier's Story'' was adapted by Charles Fuller from his own PulitzerPrize-winning UsefulNotes/PulitzerPrize-winning play ''A Soldier's Play'', which was also a loose SettingUpdate of ''Literature/BillyBudd''. The film starred Creator/DenzelWashington, Adolph Caesar and Larry Riley, all of whom originated their roles in the play.
