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* ''Radagast'' is a character in Peter Jackson's [[Franchise/TheHobbit]] movies, but [[TheGhost only appears in flashback]] in ''Liturature/TheLordOfTheRings''. He's never even mentioned in ''Literature/TheHobbit''. He was shown to be a [[FriendToAllLivingThings friend of beasts]] and is referred to by Saruman as a "bird-tamer", but mostly, fans take his character traits from Peter Jackson's films.

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* ''Radagast'' is a character in Peter Jackson's [[Franchise/TheHobbit]] ''The Hobbit'' movies, but [[TheGhost only appears in flashback]] in ''Liturature/TheLordOfTheRings''. He's never even mentioned in ''Literature/TheHobbit''. He was shown to be a [[FriendToAllLivingThings friend of beasts]] and is referred to by Saruman as a "bird-tamer", but mostly, fans take his character traits from Peter Jackson's films.
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** The two blue wizards, Alatar and Pallandro, are just barely canon. There are mentions in ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings'' of there being five wizards, all told, but you'd have to look into the posthumous history of Middle-earth books, as well as Tolkien's letters, to learn their names, or anything about them. Even then, we don't learn much, and they even have alternate names, also supplied by Tolkien, Morinehtar and Rómestámo. However, as Saruman is known as Curunìr in Sindarin and Curumo in Quenya, and Gandalf is Olórin in Quenya and Mithrandir in Sindarin (also Tharkun, but we don't know by whom), these alternate names could just be translations.

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** The two blue wizards, Alatar and Pallandro, are just barely canon. There are mentions in ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings'' of there being five wizards, all told, but you'd have to look into the posthumous history of Middle-earth books, as well as Tolkien's letters, to learn their names, or anything about them. Even then, we don't learn much, and they even have alternate names, also supplied by Tolkien, Morinehtar and Rómestámo. However, as Saruman is known as Curunìr in Sindarin and Curumo in Quenya, and Gandalf is Olórin in Quenya and Mithrandir in Sindarin (also Tharkun, but we don't know by whom), these alternate names could just be translations. There have been reams of fan fiction about Alatar and Pallando, including images of them, and attributes such as being masters of the waters or the seas. Other fics stick to the semi-canon idea that Alatar was more affiliated with forests and Pallando was a scryer, or "Far-Seer".

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* ''Radagast'' has his name in the books, but [[TheGhost never appears]] in them. Fans take his character traits from Peter Jackson's films of ''Film/TheHobbit'', where Radagast does appear.

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* ''Radagast'' has his name is a character in the books, Peter Jackson's [[Franchise/TheHobbit]] movies, but [[TheGhost only appears in flashback]] in ''Liturature/TheLordOfTheRings''. He's never appears]] even mentioned in them. Fans ''Literature/TheHobbit''. He was shown to be a [[FriendToAllLivingThings friend of beasts]] and is referred to by Saruman as a "bird-tamer", but mostly, fans take his character traits from Peter Jackson's films films.
** The two blue wizards, Alatar and Pallandro, are just barely canon. There are mentions in ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings''
of ''Film/TheHobbit'', where Radagast does appear.there being five wizards, all told, but you'd have to look into the posthumous history of Middle-earth books, as well as Tolkien's letters, to learn their names, or anything about them. Even then, we don't learn much, and they even have alternate names, also supplied by Tolkien, Morinehtar and Rómestámo. However, as Saruman is known as Curunìr in Sindarin and Curumo in Quenya, and Gandalf is Olórin in Quenya and Mithrandir in Sindarin (also Tharkun, but we don't know by whom), these alternate names could just be translations.
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* It is often believed by ''Silmarillion'' fans that the eponymous Silmarils are [[ArtifactOfAttraction Artifacts of Attraction]] similar to the later One Ring. There is no real evidence for this, and the text casts some doubt on it.
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Proof about Elves not being to get drunk, apart from the films?


* ''Thranduil'' is apparently an alcoholic who regularly beats Legolas senseless. This is highly unlikely, based on what we know of elves in general (elves have great difficulty even getting drunk, let alone addicted) and Legolas in particular.

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* ''Thranduil'' is apparently an alcoholic who regularly beats Legolas senseless. This is highly unlikely, based on what we know of elves in general (elves have great difficulty even getting drunk, let alone addicted) and Legolas in particular.
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* ''general'' -- This army rank is fanon. Modern militaries have generals, so fans suppose that armies in Middle-earth also have them. Tolkien's armies have few ranks: Gondor and Rohan have captains, and Rohan also has marshals. The word "general" appears in ''[=LoTR=]'' IV 4, when Captain Faramir describes Boromir as "our Captain-General", which is a way to say that Boromir outranks Faramir. Boromir is a captain, not a general.

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(1) the word \"human\" (2) dwarf-women with no beards


* Fans have certain ideas about mortal women in Middle-earth. A woman always wears a dress, never breeches. If a woman is on a horse, she always rides sidesaddle, never astride. Some fans enforce this even when the woman must hike or ride for long distances.

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* Fans have certain ideas about mortal women in Middle-earth. female characters, especially daughters of Men, but also Elves and Hobbits. A woman always wears a dress, never breeches.breeches or trousers. If a woman is on a horse, she always rides sidesaddle, never astride. Some fans enforce this even when the woman must hike or ride for long distances.


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* ''human'' -- Tolkien's characters never use the word "human". Fans use "human" for the race of Men; but a few fans also use "human" for Dwarves, Elves, and Hobbits, because those races also have human traits.


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** Dwarf-women have no beards. This is probably wrong: ''[=LoTR=]'' Appendix A states of dwarf-women, 'They are in voice and appearance, and in garb if they must go on a journey, so like to the dwarf-men that the eyes and ears of other peoples cannot tell them apart.' Therefore, dwarf-women have beards like dwarf-men.
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* Fans do not agree on whether things that appear in the earlier drafts of the Silmarillion (and its predecessor The Book of Lost Tales) are canon if they are not contradicted by the later, published, version. For instance there is a part in The Book of Lost Tales which describes how when Arda was first created, a number of creatures from outside the world fled into it; hence not everything in the world is something which the Valar put there (the most prominent example being the Faerie). This is of interest to fans because it provides a possible origin for Ungoliant and Tom Bombadil, but the fact that the passage doesn't appear in The Silmarillion casts doubt on this.

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* Fans do not agree on whether things that appear in the earlier drafts of the Silmarillion ''The Silmarillion'' (and its predecessor The ''The Book of Lost Tales) Tales'') are canon if they are not contradicted by the later, published, version. For instance there is a part in The ''The Book of Lost Tales Tales'' which describes how when Arda was first created, a number of creatures from outside the world fled into it; hence not everything in the world is something which the Valar put there (the most prominent example being the Faerie). This is of interest to fans because it provides a possible origin for Ungoliant and Tom Bombadil, but the fact that the passage doesn't appear in The Silmarillion ''The Silmarillion'' casts doubt on this.
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More recently, the movie of ''Film/TheHobbitAnUnexpectedJourney'' (2013) has a scene where the Elves of Rivendell serve vegetarian food to the Dwarves. But this is not in the book.

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More recently, the movie of ''Film/TheHobbitAnUnexpectedJourney'' (2013) (2012) has a scene where the Elves of Rivendell serve vegetarian food to the Dwarves. But this is not in the book.

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Durin\'s line is bigger than they think.


* ''Dwarves'' are short, but how short? All measurements are fanon. Some fans think that dwarves are taller than 5 feet (152 cm). In the fan story ''FanFic/WorldsApart'', Nymeria is 4 feet 11 inches, and the dwarves are taller than her. This might be too tall, because in canon, the secret door to Erebor is 'five feet high and three broad' (''The Hobbit'' chapter 11), so dwarves are probably under five feet.

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* ''Dwarves'' ''Dwarves''
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are short, but how short? dwarves? All measurements are fanon. Some fans think that dwarves are taller than 5 feet (152 cm). In the fan story ''FanFic/WorldsApart'', Nymeria is 4 feet 11 inches, and the dwarves are taller than her. This might be too tall, because in canon, the secret door to Erebor is 'five feet high and three broad' (''The Hobbit'' chapter 11), so dwarves are probably under five feet.feet.
** Fans assume that Thorin, Fili and Kili are the only dwarves in Durin's line, among the thirteen dwarves of ''The Hobbit''. They assume wrong. ''[=LoTR=]'' Appendix A reveals that Balin, Dwalin, Óin, Glóin, Ori, Nori and Dori are in Durin's line. Bifur, Bofur and Bombur are not.
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* ''dwarfling'' and ''elfling'' -- These words only appear in fan fiction. The suffix ''-ling'' is for "little", so an elfling is a little elf, an elf-child. Tolkien never used "dwarfling" nor "elfling", though he did use some other ''-ling'' words. So in ''[=LoTR=]'' Appendix A, a young-adult dwarf is a "stripling", and an Orc addresses a dwarf as a "beardling". Also, a hobbit is a "Halfling" (''[=LoTR=]'' II 2), and little Ents are "Entings" (''[=LoTR=]'' III 4). (Among fans, [[http://nellardo.com/lang/elf/faq.html Elfling]] is also the name of a mailing list about Tolkien's languages, or elf linguistics.)

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* ''dwarfling'' and ''elfling'' -- These words only appear in fan fiction. The suffix ''-ling'' ''[[https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/-ling -ling]]'' is for "little", so an elfling is a little elf, an elf-child. Tolkien never used "dwarfling" nor "elfling", though he did use some other ''-ling'' words. So in ''[=LoTR=]'' Appendix A, a young-adult dwarf is a "stripling", and an Orc addresses a dwarf as a "beardling". Also, a hobbit is a "Halfling" (''[=LoTR=]'' II 2), and little Ents are "Entings" (''[=LoTR=]'' III 4). (Among fans, [[http://nellardo.com/lang/elf/faq.html Elfling]] is also the name of a mailing list about Tolkien's languages, or elf linguistics.)
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Newer editions of LoTR say Finarfin, not Finrod.


** Fans are not sure how many elves have golden hair. ''[=LoTR=]'' Appendix F says of the elves, 'their locks were dark, save in the golden house of Finrod', but that isn't all true, because in ''The Silmarillion'', Finrod and his sister Galadriel are grandchildren of Indis of the Vanyar, and the Vanyar have golden hair.

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** Fans are not sure how many elves have golden hair. ''[=LoTR=]'' Appendix F says of the elves, 'their locks were dark, save in the golden house of Finrod', Finarfin' (or in older editions, 'house of Finrod'), but that isn't all true, because in ''The Silmarillion'', Finrod and his sister Galadriel are grandchildren Finarfin is the son of Indis of the Vanyar, and the Vanyar have golden hair.
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Why Legolas lost his mother


* ''Fili'' and ''Kili'' are caught in a ContinuitySnarl about who is older. In ''The Hobbit'' chapter 8, Thorin says, 'Fili is the youngest' when Kili is also present, so Kili is the older brother. Then in ''[=LoTR=]'' Appendix A, the family tree shows Fíli born 2859 and Kíli born 2864, so Fili is the older one. Most fans accept that Fili is older, because most references copy the years from ''[=LoTR=]'', and because Peter Jackson's movies present Kili as the younger brother. Fans have also exaggerated the age difference, so Kili has less experience and maturity than Fili; but ''The Hobbit'' happens with 2941 (in the timeline from [=LoTR=]'' Appendix B), so their ages are close, about 82 years for Fili and 77 for Kili.

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* ''Fili'' and ''Kili'' are caught in a ContinuitySnarl about who is older. In ''The Hobbit'' chapter 8, Thorin says, 'Fili is the youngest' when Kili is also present, so Kili is the older brother. Then in ''[=LoTR=]'' Appendix A, the family tree shows Fíli born 2859 and Kíli born 2864, so Fili is the older one. Most fans accept that Fili is older, because most references copy the years from ''[=LoTR=]'', and because Peter Jackson's movies present Kili as the younger brother. Fans have also exaggerated the age difference, so Kili has less experience and maturity than Fili; but ''The Hobbit'' happens with 2941 (in the timeline from [=LoTR=]'' ''[=LoTR=]'' Appendix B), so their ages are close, about 82 years for Fili and 77 for Kili.



** Legolas, for many fans, is the eldest son of Thranduil, and the next king after Thranduil. Legolas is an only child or has a younger sister. Canon never mentions any children of Thranduil other than Legolas, but they might still exist. A few fan stories suppose that Legolas has an older brother, which is not against canon.
** The mother of Legolas (and wife of Thranduil) died before ''The Lord of the Rings''. This idea is common, though each fan story gives a different version of her death. ''FanFic/TheGamesOfTheGods'', Book One, Chapter 75, defies this idea by declaring, "yep, she was still alive".

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** Legolas, for many fans, Many fans think that Legolas is the eldest son of Thranduil, Thranduil and the next king after Thranduil.king. Legolas is an only child or has a younger sister. Canon never mentions any children of Thranduil other than Legolas, but they might still exist. A few fan stories suppose that Legolas has an older brother, which is not against canon.
** The mother of Legolas (and wife of Thranduil) died before ''The Lord of the Rings''. This idea is common, though each fan story gives a different version of her death. Fans kill the mother because they want Legolas to have more angst. ''FanFic/TheGamesOfTheGods'', Book One, Chapter 75, defies this idea by declaring, "yep, she was still alive".
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Fili and Kili: who is older?

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* ''Fili'' and ''Kili'' are caught in a ContinuitySnarl about who is older. In ''The Hobbit'' chapter 8, Thorin says, 'Fili is the youngest' when Kili is also present, so Kili is the older brother. Then in ''[=LoTR=]'' Appendix A, the family tree shows Fíli born 2859 and Kíli born 2864, so Fili is the older one. Most fans accept that Fili is older, because most references copy the years from ''[=LoTR=]'', and because Peter Jackson's movies present Kili as the younger brother. Fans have also exaggerated the age difference, so Kili has less experience and maturity than Fili; but ''The Hobbit'' happens with 2941 (in the timeline from [=LoTR=]'' Appendix B), so their ages are close, about 82 years for Fili and 77 for Kili.

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Add a \'Terms\' section, and move the \'dwarfling\' and \'efling\' stuff there. Also add info about the height of dwarves and the golden hair of elves.


!! Terms
* ''dwarfling'' and ''elfling'' -- These words only appear in fan fiction. The suffix ''-ling'' is for "little", so an elfling is a little elf, an elf-child. Tolkien never used "dwarfling" nor "elfling", though he did use some other ''-ling'' words. So in ''[=LoTR=]'' Appendix A, a young-adult dwarf is a "stripling", and an Orc addresses a dwarf as a "beardling". Also, a hobbit is a "Halfling" (''[=LoTR=]'' II 2), and little Ents are "Entings" (''[=LoTR=]'' III 4). (Among fans, [[http://nellardo.com/lang/elf/faq.html Elfling]] is also the name of a mailing list about Tolkien's languages, or elf linguistics.)
* ''Rohirric'' -- This adjective for Rohan is a fan invention. Wiki/{{Wikipedia}}'s article for [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohirric Rohirric]] traces this word to Robert Foster, author of ''The Complete Guide to Middle-earth''. The word ''Rohirric'' puts the English suffix ''[[https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/-ic -ic]]'' on the Sindarin word ''Rohirrim''.

!! Places
* ''Minas Tirith'', the city of seven circles, is where the wealthy live closer to the castle, while the lower and outer levels attract poorer and rougher folk. This is how ''FanFic/TheGamesOfTheGods'' and ''FanFic/AFarGreenCountry'' depicted the city. This is only a guess, but perhaps a good guess.



* ''Dwarves'': The word "dwarfling" only appears in fan fiction. Tolkien never used "dwarfling", but in ''[=LoTR=]'' Appendix A, a young-adult Dwarf is a "stripling", and an Orc addresses an adult Dwarf as a "beardling".

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* ''Dwarves'': The word "dwarfling" only appears in ''Dwarves'' are short, but how short? All measurements are fanon. Some fans think that dwarves are taller than 5 feet (152 cm). In the fan fiction. Tolkien never used "dwarfling", but in ''[=LoTR=]'' Appendix A, a young-adult Dwarf story ''FanFic/WorldsApart'', Nymeria is a "stripling", 4 feet 11 inches, and an Orc addresses an adult Dwarf as a "beardling".the dwarves are taller than her. This might be too tall, because in canon, the secret door to Erebor is 'five feet high and three broad' (''The Hobbit'' chapter 11), so dwarves are probably under five feet.



** The word "elfling" only appears in fan fiction. Tolkien never used "elfling". The suffix ''-ling'' is for "little", so an elfling is a little elf, an elf-child. Tolkien does use similar words: little Ents are "Entings" (''[=LotR=]'' Book III, Chapter 4), and a dwarf is a "stripling" or "beardling" (Appendix A). ([[http://nellardo.com/lang/elf/faq.html Elfling]] is also the name of a mailing list about Tolkien's languages, or elf linguistics.)
** Some fans believe that [[http://askmiddlearth.tumblr.com/post/41793669791/vegetarian-elves Elves are vegetarian]], with almost no evidence. ''The Hobbit'' Chapter 8, where the Elves of Mirkwood have 'roast meats', is one of several canon references to suggest that Elves do eat Meat.\\

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** The word "elfling" only appears in fan fiction. Tolkien never used "elfling". The suffix ''-ling'' is for "little", so an elfling is a little elf, an elf-child. Tolkien does use similar words: little Ents are "Entings" (''[=LotR=]'' Book III, Chapter 4), and a dwarf is a "stripling" or "beardling" (Appendix A). ([[http://nellardo.com/lang/elf/faq.html Elfling]] is also the name of a mailing list about Tolkien's languages, or elf linguistics.)
** Some fans believe that [[http://askmiddlearth.tumblr.com/post/41793669791/vegetarian-elves Elves are vegetarian]], with almost no evidence. ''The Hobbit'' Chapter Hobbit'', chapter 8, where the Elves of Mirkwood have 'roast meats', is one of several canon references to suggest that Elves do eat Meat.meat.\\



In ''The Silmarillion'' Chapter 17, the Elves of Ossiriand say of Men: 'And these folk are hewers of the trees and hunters of beasts; therefore we are their unfriends, and if they will not depart then we shall inflict them in all ways that we can.' This suggests that Men eat meat but Elves do not, but there are other interpretations. Perhaps the Elves eat meat but fear Men competing for game. Perhaps the Elves eat fish, not beasts of land. Perhaps the Elves of Ossiriand are vegetarians but other Elves are not.\\

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In ''The Silmarillion'' Chapter 17, the Elves of Ossiriand say of Men: 'And these folk are hewers of the trees and hunters of beasts; therefore we are their unfriends, and if they will not depart then we shall inflict them in all ways that we can.' This line suggests that Men eat meat but Elves do not, are not 'hunters of beasts' and never eat meat, but there are other interpretations. Perhaps the Elves eat meat but fear Men competing for game. would kill too many beasts. Perhaps the Elves eat fish, not beasts of land. Perhaps the Elves of Ossiriand are vegetarians but other Elves are not.\\



More recently, the movie of ''Film/TheHobbit: An Unexpected Journey'' (2013) has a scene where the Elves of Rivendell serve no meat to the Dwarves. But this is not in the book.
* ''Orcs'' in fan fiction like to ravish elven and mortal women. The canon never mentions sexual assault, so we can only guess whether Orcs would rape other races.

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* ''Minas Tirith'', the city of seven circles, is where the wealthy live closer to the castle, while the lower and outer levels attract poorer and rougher folk. This is how ''FanFic/TheGamesOfTheGods'' depicted the city. This is only a guess, but perhaps a good guess.

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More recently, the movie of ''Film/TheHobbit: An Unexpected Journey'' ''Film/TheHobbitAnUnexpectedJourney'' (2013) has a scene where the Elves of Rivendell serve no meat vegetarian food to the Dwarves. But this is not in the book.
** Fans are not sure how many elves have golden hair. ''[=LoTR=]'' Appendix F says of the elves, 'their locks were dark, save in the golden house of Finrod', but that isn't all true, because in ''The Silmarillion'', Finrod and his sister Galadriel are grandchildren of Indis of the Vanyar, and the Vanyar have golden hair.
* ''Orcs'' in fan fiction like to ravish elven the daughters of Elves and mortal women. Men. The canon never mentions sexual assault, so is too vague; we can only guess whether Orcs would know that orcs did something to Celebrían, but not exactly what. Fans suppose that they raped her. Even if orcs prefer to rape other races.

!! Places
* ''Minas Tirith'', the city of seven circles, is where the wealthy live closer to the castle, while the lower and outer levels attract poorer and rougher folk. This is how ''FanFic/TheGamesOfTheGods'' depicted the city. This is only
orcs, there might be at least a guess, but perhaps a good guess.
few orcs who rape other races.
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Correct the info about Glorfindel.


** The idea that Glorfindel of ''The Silmarillion'' and Glorfindel of ''The Lord of the Rings'' comes from Tolkien himself, so it is canon! Tolkien wrote in an essay (found in ''Literature/ThePeoplesOfMiddleEarth'') that after Glorfindel died in ''The Silmarillion'', he came BackFromTheDead before ''The Lord of the Rings''. To reduce {{Continuity Snarl}}s, some fans omit essays like that one from continuity. This allows that the two Glorfindels are two different elves.

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** The idea that Glorfindel of ''The Silmarillion'' and is the same elf as Glorfindel of ''The Lord of the Rings'' comes from Tolkien himself, so it is might be canon! Tolkien wrote in an essay (found in ''Literature/ThePeoplesOfMiddleEarth'') that after Glorfindel died in ''The Silmarillion'', he came BackFromTheDead before ''The Lord of the Rings''. To reduce {{Continuity Snarl}}s, some fans omit essays like that one from continuity. This allows that the two Glorfindels are two different elves.



** Glorfindel of Rivendell is only "Lord Glorfindel" in fan fiction. This might work if Glorfindel kept his title from the ''The Silmarillion'' and if anyone remembered his old rank. The problem here is that everyone in ''The Lord of the Rings'' seems to have forgotten about Glorfindel's title. He was "chief of the House of the Golden Flower of Gondolin" (''Silm'' Chapter 23).

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** Glorfindel of Rivendell is only "Lord Glorfindel" in fan fiction. This might work if Glorfindel kept his title from the ''The Silmarillion'' and if anyone remembered his old rank. The problem here Gandalf says of Glorfindel, "He is that everyone in ''The Lord an Elf-lord of the Rings'' seems to have forgotten about Glorfindel's title. He was "chief a house of the House of the Golden Flower of Gondolin" (''Silm'' Chapter 23).princes" (''[=LoTR=]'' II 1), so "Lord Glorfindel" is probably correct.
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Bold text looks ugly. Change it to italic, like in the appendix to The Silmarillion.


* '''Dwarves''': The word "dwarfling" only appears in fan fiction. Tolkien never used "dwarfling", but in ''[=LoTR=]'' Appendix A, a young-adult Dwarf is a "stripling", and an Orc addresses an adult Dwarf as a "beardling".
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* '''Dwarves''': ''Dwarves'': The word "dwarfling" only appears in fan fiction. Tolkien never used "dwarfling", but in ''[=LoTR=]'' Appendix A, a young-adult Dwarf is a "stripling", and an Orc addresses an adult Dwarf as a "beardling".
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* '''Orcs''' in fan fiction like to ravish elven and mortal women. The canon never mentions sexual assault, so we can only guess whether Orcs would rape other races.

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* '''Orcs''' ''Orcs'' in fan fiction like to ravish elven and mortal women. The canon never mentions sexual assault, so we can only guess whether Orcs would rape other races.



* '''Minas Tirith''', the city of seven circles, is where the wealthy live closer to the castle, while the lower and outer levels attract poorer and rougher folk. This is how ''FanFic/TheGamesOfTheGods'' depicted the city. This is only a guess, but perhaps a good guess.

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* '''Minas Tirith''', ''Minas Tirith'', the city of seven circles, is where the wealthy live closer to the castle, while the lower and outer levels attract poorer and rougher folk. This is how ''FanFic/TheGamesOfTheGods'' depicted the city. This is only a guess, but perhaps a good guess.



* '''Aragorn'''
** Aragorn was [[ConvenientlyAnOrphan orphaned]] at two. This is downright contradicted by the Appendices to ''LOTR'': Aragorn's father died when he was two, but his mother lived until he was in his seventies.

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** Aragorn was [[ConvenientlyAnOrphan orphaned]] at two. This is downright contradicted by the Appendices to ''LOTR'': ''[=LoTR=]'': Aragorn's father died when he was two, but his mother lived until he was in his seventies.



* '''Boromir''' is a HeManWomanHater or even a StrawMisogynist. He thinks that women can't do anything. In fan fiction, Boromir acts rude to any woman he meets; and if the woman offers to help the group, Boromir argues against her. Fans do this to make their female characters seem more special.
* '''Elladan''' and '''Elrohir''' are [[TricksterTwins troublemakers]]. Elrohir is the more sensitive of the two, and Elladan has more of a temper. None of that is in the books.
* '''Elrond''' was the romantic partner of Gil-galad, the last High King. Canon has no gay romance, but leaves enough room for one. Their romance would explain why Gil-galad gave [[RingOfPower the ring Vilya]] to Elrond, and why Gil-galad had no children to become High King after him. Also, Gil-galad died at the end of the Second Age, and Elrond did not marry Celebrían until the Third Age. This isn't enough to prove that their love was romantic instead of just platonic.
* '''Erestor''' is the grim headmaster type in Rivendell. That's not in the books. He is only "Lord Erestor" in fan fiction. Erestor in canon is "the chief" among "counsellors of Elrond's household" (''[=LotR=]'' Book II, Chapter 2). Fans also ship Erestor with Glorfindel.
* '''Figwit''' or '''Melpomaen''' is not in the books. His names are {{Fan Nickname}}s for a background character in Peter Jackson's movies of ''The Lord of the Rings''.
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* '''Boromir''' ''Boromir'' is a HeManWomanHater or even a StrawMisogynist. He thinks that women can't do anything. In fan fiction, Boromir acts rude to any woman he meets; and if the woman offers to help the group, Boromir argues against her. Fans do this to make their female characters seem more special.
* '''Elladan''' ''Elladan'' and '''Elrohir''' ''Elrohir'' are [[TricksterTwins troublemakers]]. Elrohir is the more sensitive of the two, and Elladan has more of a temper. None of that is in the books.
* '''Elrond''' ''Elrond'' was the romantic partner of Gil-galad, the last High King. Canon has no gay romance, but leaves enough room for one. Their romance would explain why Gil-galad gave [[RingOfPower the ring Vilya]] to Elrond, and why Gil-galad had no children to become High King after him. Also, Gil-galad died at the end of the Second Age, and Elrond did not marry Celebrían until the Third Age. This isn't enough to prove that their love was romantic instead of just platonic.
* '''Erestor''' ''Erestor'' is the grim headmaster type in Rivendell. That's not in the books. He is only "Lord Erestor" in fan fiction. Erestor in canon is "the chief" among "counsellors of Elrond's household" (''[=LotR=]'' Book II, Chapter 2). Fans also ship Erestor with Glorfindel.
* '''Figwit''' ''Figwit'' or '''Melpomaen''' ''Melpomaen'' is not in the books. His names are {{Fan Nickname}}s for a background character in Peter Jackson's movies of ''The Lord of the Rings''.
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* '''Morgoth''', in many fan portrayals, simply looks like a bigger version of Sauron's physical form the Peter Jackson films. That's because Jackson used illustrator John Howe's Morgoth for movie Sauron. Howe was also hired for movie concept art.
* '''Radagast''' has his name in the books, but [[TheGhost never appears]] in them. Fans take his character traits from Peter Jackson's films of ''Film/TheHobbit'', where Radagast does appear.
* '''Tauriel''' is not in the books. She comes from Peter Jackson's films of ''Film/TheHobbit''.
* '''Thranduil''' is apparently an alcoholic who regularly beats Legolas senseless. This is highly unlikely, based on what we know of elves in general (elves have great difficulty even getting drunk, let alone addicted) and Legolas in particular.

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* '''Morgoth''', ''Morgoth'', in many fan portrayals, simply looks like a bigger version of Sauron's physical form the Peter Jackson films. That's because Jackson used illustrator John Howe's Morgoth for movie Sauron. Howe was also hired for movie concept art.
* '''Radagast''' ''Radagast'' has his name in the books, but [[TheGhost never appears]] in them. Fans take his character traits from Peter Jackson's films of ''Film/TheHobbit'', where Radagast does appear.
* '''Tauriel''' ''Tauriel'' is not in the books. She comes from Peter Jackson's films of ''Film/TheHobbit''.
* '''Thranduil''' ''Thranduil'' is apparently an alcoholic who regularly beats Legolas senseless. This is highly unlikely, based on what we know of elves in general (elves have great difficulty even getting drunk, let alone addicted) and Legolas in particular.

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* Fans do not agree on whether things that appear in the earlier drafts of the Silmarillion (and its predecessor The Book of Lost Tales) are canon if they are not contradicted by the later, published, version. For instance there is a part in The Book of Lost Tales which describes how when Arda was first created, a number of creatures from outside the world fled into it; hence not everything in the world is something which the Valar put there (the most prominent example being the Faerie). This is of interest to fans because it provides a possible origin for Ungoliant and Tom Bombadil, but the fact that the passage doesn't appear in The Silmarillion casts doubt on this.

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This is {{fanon}} for Franchise/TolkiensLegendarium, mostly for ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings'', but also for other works such as ''Literature/TheSilmarillion''.

[[http://tinni.s43.eatj.com/ This site]] (dead link) exists to tell {{canon}} apart from fanon, a fairly tricky task since the canon for that particular fandom is notoriously shifty -- what with J.R.R Tolkien constantly revising his ideas -- and TheFilmOfTheBook can't help either.

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This is {{fanon}} {{Fanon}} for Franchise/TolkiensLegendarium, mostly for ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings'', but also for other works such as ''Literature/TheSilmarillion''.

[[http://tinni.s43.eatj.com/ This site]] (dead link) exists to tell {{canon}} apart from fanon, a fairly tricky task since the canon {{Canon}} for that particular this fandom is notoriously shifty -- what with J.R.R Tolkien Creator/JRRTolkien constantly revising his ideas -- and TheFilmOfTheBook can't help either.
either. The best that we can do is check what Tolkien wrote.



* The word "elfling" only appears in fan fiction. Tolkien never used "elfling". The suffix ''-ling'' is for "little", so an elfling is a little elf, an elf-child. Tolkien does use similar words: little Ents are "Entings" (''[=LotR=]'' Book III, Chapter 4), and a dwarf is a "beardling" (Appendix A). ([[http://nellardo.com/lang/elf/faq.html Elfling]] is also the name of a mailing list about Tolkien's languages, or elf linguistics.)



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!! Fanon Races
* '''Dwarves''': The word "dwarfling" only appears in fan fiction. Tolkien never used "dwarfling", but in ''[=LoTR=]'' Appendix A, a young-adult Dwarf is a "stripling", and an Orc addresses an adult Dwarf as a "beardling".
* '''Elves'''
** The word "elfling" only appears in fan fiction. Tolkien never used "elfling". The suffix ''-ling'' is
for Specific "little", so an elfling is a little elf, an elf-child. Tolkien does use similar words: little Ents are "Entings" (''[=LotR=]'' Book III, Chapter 4), and a dwarf is a "stripling" or "beardling" (Appendix A). ([[http://nellardo.com/lang/elf/faq.html Elfling]] is also the name of a mailing list about Tolkien's languages, or elf linguistics.)
** Some fans believe that [[http://askmiddlearth.tumblr.com/post/41793669791/vegetarian-elves Elves are vegetarian]], with almost no evidence. ''The Hobbit'' Chapter 8, where the Elves of Mirkwood have 'roast meats', is one of several canon references to suggest that Elves do eat Meat.\\
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In ''The Silmarillion'' Chapter 17, the Elves of Ossiriand say of Men: 'And these folk are hewers of the trees and hunters of beasts; therefore we are their unfriends, and if they will not depart then we shall inflict them in all ways that we can.' This suggests that Men eat meat but Elves do not, but there are other interpretations. Perhaps the Elves eat meat but fear Men competing for game. Perhaps the Elves eat fish, not beasts of land. Perhaps the Elves of Ossiriand are vegetarians but other Elves are not.\\
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More recently, the movie of ''Film/TheHobbit: An Unexpected Journey'' (2013) has a scene where the Elves of Rivendell serve no meat to the Dwarves. But this is not in the book.
* '''Orcs''' in fan fiction like to ravish elven and mortal women. The canon never mentions sexual assault, so we can only guess whether Orcs would rape other races.

!! Places
* '''Minas Tirith''', the city of seven circles, is where the wealthy live closer to the castle, while the lower and outer levels attract poorer and rougher folk. This is how ''FanFic/TheGamesOfTheGods'' depicted the city. This is only a guess, but perhaps a good guess.

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* '''Figwit''' or '''Melpomaen''' is not in the books. His names are {{Fan Nickname}}s for a background character in Peter Jackson's movies of ''The Lord of the Rings''.
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** The names and personalities of Finrod's ten faithful elves (from ''FanFic/BeyondTheDawn'') and of the Nazgul (from ''FanFic/TheGreatGame'', and no, they are different from the ICE version known to the West)

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** The names and personalities of Finrod's ten faithful elves (from ''FanFic/BeyondTheDawn'') and of the Nazgul (from ''FanFic/TheGreatGame'', and no, they are different from the [[TabletopGame/MiddleEarthRolePlaying ICE version version]] known to the West)
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I was wrong. There is at least one canon example of a lord with no territory.


[[http://tinni.s43.eatj.com/ This site]] (dead link) exists to tell canon apart from fanon, a fairly tricky task since the canon for that particular fandom is notoriously shifty -- what with J.R.R Tolkien constantly revising his ideas -- and TheFilmOfTheBook can't help either.

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[[http://tinni.s43.eatj.com/ This site]] (dead link) exists to tell canon {{canon}} apart from fanon, a fairly tricky task since the canon for that particular fandom is notoriously shifty -- what with J.R.R Tolkien constantly revising his ideas -- and TheFilmOfTheBook can't help either.



* The word "elfling" only appears in fan fiction. Tolkien never used "elfling". The suffix ''-ling'' is for "little", so an elfling is a little elf, an elf-child. Tolkien does use the word "Enting" for a little Ent. ([[http://nellardo.com/lang/elf/faq.html Elfling]] is also the name of a mailing list about Tolkien's languages, or elf linguistics.)
* Fans often add the title "Lord" or "Lady" to characters. Fan fiction has "Lord Erestor" and "Lord Haldir". In canon, a lord or lady is always the first man or woman of some territory or people. Canon examples include Lord Elrond and Lady Arwen both of Rivendell, and Éowyn Lady of Rohan. Some fan characters have "Lord" or "Lady" as a rank without anywhere to lord over. Lord Kinsey in ''FanFic/HomeWithTheFairies'' lives in Minas Tirith, and might be lord of nothing but his own household. In some fan stories, "lady" is no longer a title, but a polite label for any random woman, like lady Helanthir in ''FanFic/TroubledWaters''.

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* The word "elfling" only appears in fan fiction. Tolkien never used "elfling". The suffix ''-ling'' is for "little", so an elfling is a little elf, an elf-child. Tolkien does use the word "Enting" for a similar words: little Ent.Ents are "Entings" (''[=LotR=]'' Book III, Chapter 4), and a dwarf is a "beardling" (Appendix A). ([[http://nellardo.com/lang/elf/faq.html Elfling]] is also the name of a mailing list about Tolkien's languages, or elf linguistics.)
* Fans often add the title "Lord" or "Lady" to characters. Fan fiction has "Lord Erestor" and "Lord Haldir". In canon, a lord or lady is almost always the first man or woman of some territory place or people. Canon examples include Lord people, like Elrond and Lady Arwen both "Lord of Rivendell, Rivendell" (''[=LotR=]'' Book II, Chapter 1), Denethor "Lord of Gondor" (V, 1), and Éowyn Lady "lady of Rohan.Rohan" (III, 6). An exception is Gandalf as "Lord Mithrandir" (V, 1). Some fan characters have "Lord" or "Lady" as a rank without anywhere to lord over. Lord Kinsey in ''FanFic/HomeWithTheFairies'' lives in Minas Tirith, and might be lord of nothing but his own household. In some fan stories, "lady" is no longer a title, but a polite label for any random woman, like lady Helanthir in ''FanFic/TroubledWaters''.



* '''Erestor''' is the grim headmaster type in Rivendell. That's not in the books. He is only "Lord Erestor" in fan fiction. Erestor in canon is "the chief" among "counsellors of Elrond's household" (''LOTR'' Book II, Chapter 2). Fans also ship Erestor with Glorfindel.

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* '''Erestor''' is the grim headmaster type in Rivendell. That's not in the books. He is only "Lord Erestor" in fan fiction. Erestor in canon is "the chief" among "counsellors of Elrond's household" (''LOTR'' (''[=LotR=]'' Book II, Chapter 2). Fans also ship Erestor with Glorfindel.



** Glorfindel of Rivendell is only "Lord Glorfindel" in fan fiction. This might work if Glorfindel kept his title from the ''The Silmarillion'' and if anyone remembered his old rank. The problem here is that everyone in ''The Lord of the Rings'' seems to have forgotten about Glorfindel's title.

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** Glorfindel of Rivendell is only "Lord Glorfindel" in fan fiction. This might work if Glorfindel kept his title from the ''The Silmarillion'' and if anyone remembered his old rank. The problem here is that everyone in ''The Lord of the Rings'' seems to have forgotten about Glorfindel's title. He was "chief of the House of the Golden Flower of Gondolin" (''Silm'' Chapter 23).

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* The word "elfling" only appears in fan fiction. Tolkien never used "elfling". The suffix ''-ling'' is for "little", so an elfling is a little elf, an elf-child. ([[http://nellardo.com/lang/elf/faq.html Elfling]] is also the name of a mailing list about Tolkien's languages, or elf linguistics.)
* Fans often add the title "Lord" or "Lady" to characters. Fan fiction has "Lord Erestor" and "Lord Haldir". In some fan stories, "Lady" is no longer a title, but refers to any random woman. In canon, a lord or lady is always the first man or woman of some territory or people. Canon examples include Lord Elrond and Lady Arwen both of Rivendell, and Éowyn Lady of Rohan.

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* The word "elfling" only appears in fan fiction. Tolkien never used "elfling". The suffix ''-ling'' is for "little", so an elfling is a little elf, an elf-child. Tolkien does use the word "Enting" for a little Ent. ([[http://nellardo.com/lang/elf/faq.html Elfling]] is also the name of a mailing list about Tolkien's languages, or elf linguistics.)
* Fans often add the title "Lord" or "Lady" to characters. Fan fiction has "Lord Erestor" and "Lord Haldir". In some fan stories, "Lady" is no longer a title, but refers to any random woman. In canon, a lord or lady is always the first man or woman of some territory or people. Canon examples include Lord Elrond and Lady Arwen both of Rivendell, and Éowyn Lady of Rohan.
Rohan. Some fan characters have "Lord" or "Lady" as a rank without anywhere to lord over. Lord Kinsey in ''FanFic/HomeWithTheFairies'' lives in Minas Tirith, and might be lord of nothing but his own household. In some fan stories, "lady" is no longer a title, but a polite label for any random woman, like lady Helanthir in ''FanFic/TroubledWaters''.


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** The idea that Glorfindel of ''The Silmarillion'' and Glorfindel of ''The Lord of the Rings'' comes from Tolkien himself, so it is canon! Tolkien wrote in an essay (found in ''Literature/ThePeoplesOfMiddleEarth'') that after Glorfindel died in ''The Silmarillion'', he came BackFromTheDead before ''The Lord of the Rings''. To reduce {{Continuity Snarl}}s, some fans omit essays like that one from continuity. This allows that the two Glorfindels are two different elves.
** If the two Glorfindels are the same, fanon decides who knows so. In ''FanFic/AncientLanguages'' and ''FanFic/IAmNotAMarySue'', everyone in Rivendell knows that the two are the same, but in ''FanFic/TheGamesOfTheGods'', this is more of a secret.
** Glorfindel of Rivendell is only "Lord Glorfindel" in fan fiction. This might work if Glorfindel kept his title from the ''The Silmarillion'' and if anyone remembered his old rank. The problem here is that everyone in ''The Lord of the Rings'' seems to have forgotten about Glorfindel's title.
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** What hair color has Legolas? Creator/PeterJackson's adaptation of ''Film/TheLordOfTheRings'' might have settled the fan arguments. He's blond. The books make only [[http://www.ageofthering.com/tolkien/characters/legolas.php vague references]] to his hair color. In ''The Hobbit'', the Elvenking has gold hair. This king is Thranduil, father of Legolas; so it is plausible that Legolas inherited gold hair. In ''The Lord of the Rings'', it seems that Legolas might have dark hair, but this is not sure. Some fans still believe that movie Legolas and book Legolas have different hair colors; the authors of ''FanFic/TheGamesOfTheGods'', ''FanFic/IAmNotAMarySue'' and ''[[http://www.fanfiction.net/s/9399845/5/What-Grace-Has-Given-Me What Grace Has Given Me]]'' defy the movie and write that Legolas has dark hair.

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** What hair color has Legolas? Creator/PeterJackson's adaptation of ''Film/TheLordOfTheRings'' might have settled the fan arguments. He's blond. The books make only [[http://www.ageofthering.com/tolkien/characters/legolas.php vague references]] to his hair color. In ''The Hobbit'', the Elvenking has gold hair. This king is Thranduil, father of Legolas; so it is plausible that Legolas inherited gold hair. In ''The Lord of the Rings'', it seems Rings'' puts that Legolas might most elves have dark hair, but this is not sure.vague about Legolas. Some fans still believe that movie Legolas and book Legolas have different hair colors; the authors of ''FanFic/TheGamesOfTheGods'', ''FanFic/IAmNotAMarySue'' and ''[[http://www.fanfiction.net/s/9399845/5/What-Grace-Has-Given-Me What Grace Has Given Me]]'' defy the movie and write that Legolas has dark hair.
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* Fans often add the title "Lord" or "Lady" to characters. Fan fiction has "Lord Erestor" and "Lord Haldir". In some fan stories, "Lady" is no longer a title, but refers to any random woman. In canon, a lord or lady is always the first man or woman of some territory or people. Canon examples include Lord Elrond and Lady Arwen both of Rivendell, and Éowyn Lady of Rohan.



* '''Erestor''' is the grim headmaster type in Rivendell. That's not in the books. Also, Erestor and Glorfindel are romantic partners.

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* '''Erestor''' is the grim headmaster type in Rivendell. That's not in the books. Also, He is only "Lord Erestor" in fan fiction. Erestor and Glorfindel are romantic partners.in canon is "the chief" among "counsellors of Elrond's household" (''LOTR'' Book II, Chapter 2). Fans also ship Erestor with Glorfindel.



** Legolas, for many fans, is the eldest son of Thranduil. He is an only child or has a younger sister. Canon never mentions any children of Thranduil other than Legolas, but they might still exist. A few fan stories suppose that Legolas has an older brother, which is not against canon.

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** Legolas, for many fans, is the eldest son of Thranduil, and the next king after Thranduil. He Legolas is an only child or has a younger sister. Canon never mentions any children of Thranduil other than Legolas, but they might still exist. A few fan stories suppose that Legolas has an older brother, which is not against canon.



** What hair color has Legolas? Creator/PeterJackson's adaptation of ''Film/TheLordOfTheRings'' might have settled the fan arguments. He's blond. The books make only [[http://www.ageofthering.com/tolkien/characters/legolas.php vague references]] to his hair color. In ''The Hobbit'', the Elvenking has gold hair. Legolas is this king's son, so it is plausible that Legolas inherited gold hair. In ''The Lord of the Rings'', it seems that Legolas might have dark hair, but this is not sure. Some fans still believe that movie Legolas and book Legolas have different hair colors; the authors of ''FanFic/TheGamesOfTheGods'', ''FanFic/IAmNotAMarySue'' and ''[[http://www.fanfiction.net/s/9399845/5/What-Grace-Has-Given-Me What Grace Has Given Me]]'' defy the movie and write that Legolas has dark hair.

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** What hair color has Legolas? Creator/PeterJackson's adaptation of ''Film/TheLordOfTheRings'' might have settled the fan arguments. He's blond. The books make only [[http://www.ageofthering.com/tolkien/characters/legolas.php vague references]] to his hair color. In ''The Hobbit'', the Elvenking has gold hair. Legolas This king is this king's son, Thranduil, father of Legolas; so it is plausible that Legolas inherited gold hair. In ''The Lord of the Rings'', it seems that Legolas might have dark hair, but this is not sure. Some fans still believe that movie Legolas and book Legolas have different hair colors; the authors of ''FanFic/TheGamesOfTheGods'', ''FanFic/IAmNotAMarySue'' and ''[[http://www.fanfiction.net/s/9399845/5/What-Grace-Has-Given-Me What Grace Has Given Me]]'' defy the movie and write that Legolas has dark hair.

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** Legolas is the eldest son of Thranduil. Some fans believe that Legolas is an only child or has a younger sister. Canon never mentions any children of Thranduil other than Legolas, but they might still exist. ''FanFic/TheAwkwardAdventuresOfMeghanWhimblesby'' makes that Legolas has an older brother, which is not against canon.

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** Legolas Legolas, for many fans, is the eldest son of Thranduil. Some fans believe that Legolas He is an only child or has a younger sister. Canon never mentions any children of Thranduil other than Legolas, but they might still exist. ''FanFic/TheAwkwardAdventuresOfMeghanWhimblesby'' makes A few fan stories suppose that Legolas has an older brother, which is not against canon.


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* '''Radagast''' has his name in the books, but [[TheGhost never appears]] in them. Fans take his character traits from Peter Jackson's films of ''Film/TheHobbit'', where Radagast does appear.
* '''Tauriel''' is not in the books. She comes from Peter Jackson's films of ''Film/TheHobbit''.

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!! General Fanon
* The Russian Tolkien fandom has a set of very specific Fanon, mostly First Age-related, most of which was established by published big fanfics. (Yes, there is a bootleg ExpandedUniverse version of Arda in Russia, illegal in most of the world but legal in Motherland itself.)
** The (common to most Tolkien fandoms) notion of Celegorm the blond
** The notion that the Feanorians and their warriors wore a uniform of red, black and silver
** The notion that there were human black knights in Angband (popularized by ''FanFic/TheBlackBookOfArda'')
** The names and personalities of Finrod's ten faithful elves (from ''FanFic/BeyondTheDawn'') and of the Nazgul (from ''FanFic/TheGreatGame'', and no, they are different from the ICE version known to the West)
* Fans have certain ideas about mortal women in Middle-earth. A woman always wears a dress, never breeches. If a woman is on a horse, she always rides sidesaddle, never astride. Some fans enforce this even when the woman must hike or ride for long distances.

!! Fanon for Specific Characters



* The Russian Tolkien fandom has a set of very specific Fanon, mostly First Age-related, most of which was established by published big fanfics. (Yes, there is a bootleg ExpandedUniverse version of Arda in Russia, illegal in most of the world but legal in Motherland itself.)
** The (common to most Tolkien fandoms) notion of Celegorm the blond
** The notion that the Feanorians and their warriors wore a uniform of red, black and silver
** The notion that there were human black knights in Angband (popularized by ''FanFic/TheBlackBookOfArda'')
** The names and personalities of Finrod's ten faithful elves (from ''FanFic/BeyondTheDawn'') and of the Nazgul (from ''FanFic/TheGreatGame'', and no, they are different from the ICE version known to the West)
* Fans have certain ideas about mortal women in Middle-earth. A woman always wears a dress, never breeches. If a woman is on a horse, she always rides sidesaddle, never astride. Some fans enforce this even when the woman must hike or ride for long distances.

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This is {{fanon}} for Franchise/TolkiensLegendarium, mostly about ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings'', but also other works such as ''Literature/TheSilmarillion''.

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This is {{fanon}} for Franchise/TolkiensLegendarium, mostly about for ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings'', but also for other works such as ''Literature/TheSilmarillion''.



* '''Elrond''' was the romantic partner of Gil-galad, the last High King. Canon has no gay romance, but the Elrond/Gil-galad pair fits well enough. Their romance would explain why Gil-galad gave [[RingOfPower the ring Vilya]] to Elrond, and why Gil-galad had no children to become High King after him. Also, Gil-galad died at the end of the Second Age, and Elrond did not marry Celebrían until the Third Age. This isn't enough to prove that their love was romantic instead of just platonic.

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* '''Elrond''' was the romantic partner of Gil-galad, the last High King. Canon has no gay romance, but the Elrond/Gil-galad pair fits well enough.leaves enough room for one. Their romance would explain why Gil-galad gave [[RingOfPower the ring Vilya]] to Elrond, and why Gil-galad had no children to become High King after him. Also, Gil-galad died at the end of the Second Age, and Elrond did not marry Celebrían until the Third Age. This isn't enough to prove that their love was romantic instead of just platonic.



* '''Legolas'''
** Legolas is the eldest son of Thranduil. Some fans believe that Legolas is an only child or has a younger sister. Canon never mentions any children of Thranduil other than Legolas, but they might still exist. ''FanFic/TheAwkwardAdventuresOfMeghanWhimblesby'' makes that Legolas has an older brother, which is not against canon.
** The mother of Legolas (and wife of Thranduil) died before ''The Lord of the Rings''. This idea is common, though each fan story gives a different version of her death. ''FanFic/TheGamesOfTheGods'', Book One, Chapter 75, defies this idea by declaring, "yep, she was still alive".



* The Russian Tolkien fandom has a set of very specific Fanon, mostly First Age-related, most of which was established by published big fanfics (Yes, there is a bootleg ExpandedUniverse version of Arda in Russia, illegal in most of the world but legal in Motherland itself).

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** The notion that there were human black knights in Angband (popularized by TheBlackBookOfArda)
** The names and personalities of Finrod's ten faithful elves (from ''Fanfic/BeyondTheDawn'') and of the Nazgul (from Fanfic/TheGreatGame, and no, they are different from the ICE version known to the West)

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''FanFic/TheBlackBookOfArda'')
** The names and personalities of Finrod's ten faithful elves (from ''Fanfic/BeyondTheDawn'') ''FanFic/BeyondTheDawn'') and of the Nazgul (from Fanfic/TheGreatGame, ''FanFic/TheGreatGame'', and no, they are different from the ICE version known to the West)

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Sort by character name. The UsefulNotes.British English page inspired me to use bold text for the sort keys. I also added some info about Elrond and Gil-galad.


* Oh, ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings'', how we love thee.
** Apparently, Thranduil is an alcoholic who regularly beats Legolas senseless and Aragorn was orphaned at two. The former is highly unlikely, based on what we know of elves in general (elves have great difficulty even getting drunk, let alone addicted) and Legolas in particular, while the latter is downright contradicted by the Appendices (Aragorn's father died when he was two, but his mother lived until he was in his seventies).
** And all the Rivendell Elves have defined personalities: Erestor is the grim headmaster type, Glorfindel is the resident babysitter and DeadpanSnarker, and Elladan and Elrohir are [[TricksterTwins troublemakers]] (as well as Elrohir being the more sensitive of the two and Elladan having more of a temper). None of that is in the books.
** It's also ''very, very'' commonly accepted that Legolas and Aragorn knew each other well before The Fellowship of the Ring took place. It's everything but canon now. Does make sense when you consider the facts though: Elrond and Thranduil most likely keep very close contact, and so given he's Thranduil's son, this would mean Legolas has probably spent a decent amount of time in Rivendell, where Aragorn has lived most of his life up to the Fellowship.
** [[http://tinni.s43.eatj.com/ This site]] exists to tell canon apart from fanon, a fairly tricky task since the canon for that particular fandom is notoriously shifty -- what with J.R.R Tolkien constantly revising his ideas -- and TheFilmOfTheBook can't help either.
** In many fan portrayals of Morgoth, he simply looks like a bigger version of Sauron's physical form from the Peter Jackson films. That's because Jackson used illustrator John Howe's Morgoth for movie Sauron. Howe was also hired for movie concept art.
** The Russian Tolkien fandom has a set of very specific Fanon, mostly First Age-related, most of which was established by published big fanfics (Yes, there is a bootleg ExpandedUniverse version of Arda in Russia, illegal in most of the world but legal in Motherland itself).
*** The (common to most Tolkien fandoms) notion of Celegorm the blond
*** The notion that the Feanorians and their warriors wore a uniform of red, black and silver
*** The notion that there were human black knights in Angband (popularized by TheBlackBookOfArda)
*** The names and personalities of Finrod's ten faithful elves (from ''Fanfic/BeyondTheDawn'') and of the Nazgul (from Fanfic/TheGreatGame, and no, they are different from the ICE version known to the West)
** Fans have certain ideas about mortal women in Middle-earth. A woman always wears a dress, never breeches. If a woman is on a horse, she always rides sidesaddle, never astride. Some fans enforce this even when the woman must hike or ride for long distances.
** Boromir is a HeManWomanHater or even a StrawMisogynist. He thinks that women can't do anything. In fan fiction, Boromir acts rude to any woman he meets; and if the woman offers to help the group, Boromir argues against her. Fans do this to make their female characters seem more special.

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* Oh, This is {{fanon}} for Franchise/TolkiensLegendarium, mostly about ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings'', how we love thee.
** Apparently, Thranduil
but also other works such as ''Literature/TheSilmarillion''.

[[http://tinni.s43.eatj.com/ This site]] (dead link) exists to tell canon apart from fanon, a fairly tricky task since the canon for that particular fandom
is an alcoholic who regularly beats Legolas senseless notoriously shifty -- what with J.R.R Tolkien constantly revising his ideas -- and TheFilmOfTheBook can't help either.

* '''Aragorn'''
**
Aragorn was orphaned [[ConvenientlyAnOrphan orphaned]] at two. The former is highly unlikely, based on what we know of elves in general (elves have great difficulty even getting drunk, let alone addicted) and Legolas in particular, while the latter This is downright contradicted by the Appendices (Aragorn's to ''LOTR'': Aragorn's father died when he was two, but his mother lived until he was in his seventies).
** And all the Rivendell Elves have defined personalities: Erestor is the grim headmaster type, Glorfindel is the resident babysitter and DeadpanSnarker, and Elladan and Elrohir are [[TricksterTwins troublemakers]] (as well as Elrohir being the more sensitive of the two and Elladan having more of a temper). None of that is in the books.
seventies.
** It's also ''very, very'' commonly accepted that Aragorn and Legolas and Aragorn knew each other well before The ''The Fellowship of the Ring Ring'' took place. It's everything but canon now. Does make sense when you consider the facts though: Elrond and Thranduil most likely keep very close contact, and so given he's Thranduil's son, this would mean Legolas has probably spent a decent amount of time in Rivendell, where Aragorn has lived most of his life up to the Fellowship.
** [[http://tinni.s43.eatj.com/ This site]] exists to tell canon apart from fanon, a fairly tricky task since the canon for that particular fandom is notoriously shifty -- what with J.R.R Tolkien constantly revising his ideas -- and TheFilmOfTheBook can't help either.
** In many fan portrayals of Morgoth, he simply looks like a bigger version of Sauron's physical form from the Peter Jackson films. That's because Jackson used illustrator John Howe's Morgoth for movie Sauron. Howe was also hired for movie concept art.
** The Russian Tolkien fandom has a set of very specific Fanon, mostly First Age-related, most of which was established by published big fanfics (Yes, there is a bootleg ExpandedUniverse version of Arda in Russia, illegal in most of the world but legal in Motherland itself).
*** The (common to most Tolkien fandoms) notion of Celegorm the blond
*** The notion that the Feanorians and their warriors wore a uniform of red, black and silver
*** The notion that there were human black knights in Angband (popularized by TheBlackBookOfArda)
*** The names and personalities of Finrod's ten faithful elves (from ''Fanfic/BeyondTheDawn'') and of the Nazgul (from Fanfic/TheGreatGame, and no, they are different from the ICE version known to the West)
** Fans have certain ideas about mortal women in Middle-earth. A woman always wears a dress, never breeches. If a woman is on a horse, she always rides sidesaddle, never astride. Some fans enforce this even when the woman must hike or ride for long distances.
** Boromir
* '''Boromir''' is a HeManWomanHater or even a StrawMisogynist. He thinks that women can't do anything. In fan fiction, Boromir acts rude to any woman he meets; and if the woman offers to help the group, Boromir argues against her. Fans do this to make their female characters seem more special.special.
* '''Elladan''' and '''Elrohir''' are [[TricksterTwins troublemakers]]. Elrohir is the more sensitive of the two, and Elladan has more of a temper. None of that is in the books.
* '''Elrond''' was the romantic partner of Gil-galad, the last High King. Canon has no gay romance, but the Elrond/Gil-galad pair fits well enough. Their romance would explain why Gil-galad gave [[RingOfPower the ring Vilya]] to Elrond, and why Gil-galad had no children to become High King after him. Also, Gil-galad died at the end of the Second Age, and Elrond did not marry Celebrían until the Third Age. This isn't enough to prove that their love was romantic instead of just platonic.
* '''Erestor''' is the grim headmaster type in Rivendell. That's not in the books. Also, Erestor and Glorfindel are romantic partners.
* '''Morgoth''', in many fan portrayals, simply looks like a bigger version of Sauron's physical form the Peter Jackson films. That's because Jackson used illustrator John Howe's Morgoth for movie Sauron. Howe was also hired for movie concept art.
* '''Thranduil''' is apparently an alcoholic who regularly beats Legolas senseless. This is highly unlikely, based on what we know of elves in general (elves have great difficulty even getting drunk, let alone addicted) and Legolas in particular.
* The Russian Tolkien fandom has a set of very specific Fanon, mostly First Age-related, most of which was established by published big fanfics (Yes, there is a bootleg ExpandedUniverse version of Arda in Russia, illegal in most of the world but legal in Motherland itself).
** The (common to most Tolkien fandoms) notion of Celegorm the blond
** The notion that the Feanorians and their warriors wore a uniform of red, black and silver
** The notion that there were human black knights in Angband (popularized by TheBlackBookOfArda)
** The names and personalities of Finrod's ten faithful elves (from ''Fanfic/BeyondTheDawn'') and of the Nazgul (from Fanfic/TheGreatGame, and no, they are different from the ICE version known to the West)
* Fans have certain ideas about mortal women in Middle-earth. A woman always wears a dress, never breeches. If a woman is on a horse, she always rides sidesaddle, never astride. Some fans enforce this even when the woman must hike or ride for long distances.
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* Oh, ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings'', how we love thee.
** Apparently, Thranduil is an alcoholic who regularly beats Legolas senseless and Aragorn was orphaned at two. The former is highly unlikely, based on what we know of elves in general (elves have great difficulty even getting drunk, let alone addicted) and Legolas in particular, while the latter is downright contradicted by the Appendices (Aragorn's father died when he was two, but his mother lived until he was in his seventies).
** And all the Rivendell Elves have defined personalities: Erestor is the grim headmaster type, Glorfindel is the resident babysitter and DeadpanSnarker, and Elladan and Elrohir are [[TricksterTwins troublemakers]] (as well as Elrohir being the more sensitive of the two and Elladan having more of a temper). None of that is in the books.
** It's also ''very, very'' commonly accepted that Legolas and Aragorn knew each other well before The Fellowship of the Ring took place. It's everything but canon now. Does make sense when you consider the facts though: Elrond and Thranduil most likely keep very close contact, and so given he's Thranduil's son, this would mean Legolas has probably spent a decent amount of time in Rivendell, where Aragorn has lived most of his life up to the Fellowship.
** [[http://tinni.s43.eatj.com/ This site]] exists to tell canon apart from fanon, a fairly tricky task since the canon for that particular fandom is notoriously shifty -- what with J.R.R Tolkien constantly revising his ideas -- and TheFilmOfTheBook can't help either.
** In many fan portrayals of Morgoth, he simply looks like a bigger version of Sauron's physical form from the Peter Jackson films. That's because Jackson used illustrator John Howe's Morgoth for movie Sauron. Howe was also hired for movie concept art.
** The Russian Tolkien fandom has a set of very specific Fanon, mostly First Age-related, most of which was established by published big fanfics (Yes, there is a bootleg ExpandedUniverse version of Arda in Russia, illegal in most of the world but legal in Motherland itself).
*** The (common to most Tolkien fandoms) notion of Celegorm the blond
*** The notion that the Feanorians and their warriors wore a uniform of red, black and silver
*** The notion that there were human black knights in Angband (popularized by TheBlackBookOfArda)
*** The names and personalities of Finrod's ten faithful elves (from ''Fanfic/BeyondTheDawn'') and of the Nazgul (from Fanfic/TheGreatGame, and no, they are different from the ICE version known to the West)
** Fans have certain ideas about mortal women in Middle-earth. A woman always wears a dress, never breeches. If a woman is on a horse, she always rides sidesaddle, never astride. Some fans enforce this even when the woman must hike or ride for long distances.
** Boromir is a HeManWomanHater or even a StrawMisogynist. He thinks that women can't do anything. In fan fiction, Boromir acts rude to any woman he meets; and if the woman offers to help the group, Boromir argues against her. Fans do this to make their female characters seem more special.

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