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Kingsly. Also [[spoiler:the robot Hobgoblin duplicate that is meant to distract Spider-Man while the real Hobgoblin goes after people Peter cares about.]]
ButtMonkey: Ryan is basically a villainous version of this [[spoiler:right up until those symbiote strands take over...]]
DangerouslyGenreSavvy: [[spoiler:Hobgoblin]] is this to an extent. First he exploited the HiddenInPlainSight trope, causing his safe-house to go unnoticed, and later, he anticipates that Spider-Man will be able to figure this out and discover his hide-out anyway, at which point he clears out and rigs the place to blow. He even leaves Spider-Man a message on his laptop: To Spidey: We're not ALL morons.
DarkerAndEdgier: More or less what spawned the original idea for this story. Even now, in its MUCH refined and edited form, it still fits this.
DarkerAndEdgier: More or less what spawned the original idea for this story. Even now, in its MUCH refined and edited form, it still fits this.
TheDragon: Ryan to [[spoiler:Hobgoblin]]
HiddenInPlainSight: [[spoiler:Hobgoblin exploits this to great effect by hiding his safe-house behind the main floor of the building he worked in as a fashion designer. Spider-Man ultimately figures this out and goes there, but a DangerouslyGenreSavvy Hobgoblin has already anticipated this, cleared out, and rigged the place to blow.]]
TheLeader: Moon Knight is the Type I leader of the Marvel Knights, and is where the team gets its name from
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ShownTheirWork: According to AzureSpider, his father helped him to make the story given by Daniel Kingsly [[spoiler:regarding his trip to Florida and how he was mistaken for his brother Roderick much more believable and realistic]]
The large number of shout-outs and references to Spider-Man's history and mythos, as well as the greater Marvel Universe in general, shows that he knows his stuff.
ShoutOut: The Carnage chapter is titled Maximum Carnage, named after the 90s Spider-Man crossover of the same name
When [[Spider-Man quits after Mary Jane's death and his disappearance becomes noticed by the criminal element, one crook's response to another's question of where Spider-Man is, is: "he'sathome,washinghistights"Batman(1989)]]
The large number of shout-outs and references to Spider-Man's history and mythos, as well as the greater Marvel Universe in general, shows that he knows his stuff.
ShoutOut: The Carnage chapter is titled Maximum Carnage, named after the 90s Spider-Man crossover of the same name
When [[Spider-Man quits after Mary Jane's death and his disappearance becomes noticed by the criminal element, one crook's response to another's question of where Spider-Man is, is: "he'sathome,washinghistights"Batman(1989)]]
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him. [[spoiler:After choosing to become Spider-Man again, Peter dishes out another curb-stomp battle, this one to the Wrecking Crew]]
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Actor Allusion: Harry Osborn’s physical description is more in line with his movie version. IE: he looks like James Franco.
It is revealed that Mary Jane has gotten the part of Marie Antoinette. Kirsten Dunst played both Marie Antoinette and Mary Jane, and indeed, when Mary Jane expresses nervousness, Liz Allan reassures her by saying: “If Kirsten Dunst could pull it off, I’m sure you can”
It is revealed that Mary Jane has gotten the part of Marie Antoinette. Kirsten Dunst played both Marie Antoinette and Mary Jane, and indeed, when Mary Jane expresses nervousness, Liz Allan reassures her by saying: “If Kirsten Dunst could pull it off, I’m sure you can”
BadAssAbnormal: [[spoiler:Ryan becomes this after turning into Hybrid. The Hybrid suit is actually compromised of rogue fragments of the Venom AND Carnage symbiotes]]
BadBoss:[[spoiler:Hobgoblin]] epitomizes this. He considers the super-villains working for him to be expendable pawns, and his treatment towards his constant lackey Ryan is not much better. It goes so far that [[spoiler:when Ryan transforms into Hybrid, Hobgoblin admits that he had suspected what was going on with Ryan but kept quiet as he wanted to see how it would play out, content to let Ryan suffer from the adverse effects of two symbiotes taking control of him in the meantime.]]
BaldofEvil: Scorpion
BaldofEvil: Scorpion
BloodlessCarnage: Semi-subverted with, fittingly, the Carnage chapter. While we are spared any gory details, no secret is made of Carnage’s viciousness, and how he has a tendency to leave massive amounts of destruction in his wake. He does also massacre several people during his prison escape.
The Cameo: Hobbie Brown and Glory Grant at Peter Parker’s birthday party.
Canon Immigrant: [[spoiler:Ryan becomes Hybrid instead of Scott Washington, the 616 Hybrid]]
[[spoiler:Hobgoblin is revealed to be Harry Osborn, not Roderick Kingsly or Ned Leeds. However, at the same time, Roderick Kingsly and Ned Leeds (re-named as Ned Lee like in the SpectacularSpider-Man TV Series in another example of this trope) were both still the Hobgoblin in this continuity and in the case of Kingsly, is used as a red herring]]
[[spoiler:Hobgoblin is revealed to be Harry Osborn, not Roderick Kingsly or Ned Leeds. However, at the same time, Roderick Kingsly and Ned Leeds (re-named as Ned Lee like in the SpectacularSpider-Man TV Series in another example of this trope) were both still the Hobgoblin in this continuity and in the case of Kingsly, is used as a red herring]]
PsychoElectro: Electro obviously.
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YouFightLikeACow: Spider-Man as always, even after [[spoiler: Mary Jane's death]] it is said that he still cracks one-liners, but they are more abusive in nature, and less playful.
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MagnificentBastard: [[spoiler:Hobgoblin]] and he relishes in it. Can also be a bit of a SmugSnake at times.
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DeathByAdaptation: [[spoiler:Mary Jane is murdered by Scorpion]]
EstablishingCharacterMoment: Spider-Man's battle with Shocker and the Enforcers near the beginning of the story shows that he's still a total wise guy.
[[spoiler:Hobgoblin's]] establishing bits, both when he's just an ambiguous foe hidden by darkness, and when he fully reveals himself, makes it pretty clear from the get-go how he's not messing around.
Finally, Cletus Kassasdy is established quickly as a psychopath with a nihilistic world-view in the opening paragraphs of Chapter 3. The scenes right after just drive it home, with Carnage going on a murderous rampage that also leads to a mass prison break.
EstablishingCharacterMoment: Spider-Man's battle with Shocker and the Enforcers near the beginning of the story shows that he's still a total wise guy.
[[spoiler:Hobgoblin's]] establishing bits, both when he's just an ambiguous foe hidden by darkness, and when he fully reveals himself, makes it pretty clear from the get-go how he's not messing around.
Finally, Cletus Kassasdy is established quickly as a psychopath with a nihilistic world-view in the opening paragraphs of Chapter 3. The scenes right after just drive it home, with Carnage going on a murderous rampage that also leads to a mass prison break.
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HighOctaneNightmareFuel: Spider-Man's beating of Scorpion [[spoiler: after Gargan kills his wife]] is pretty vicious, and the story makes it clear just how single-minded Spider-Man is in his goal of killing Scorpion. He even plans on [[spoiler: ripping his tail out, fully aware that that will also take out Scorpion's spine]] Thankfully, Black Cat arrives and manages to talk him back to sanity, just as the real Big Bad [[spoiler:Hobgoblin]] arrives to attack him.
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ComesGreatResponsiblity: Obviously Spider-Man upholds this as always. After [[spoiler:Mary Jane's death]] he temporarily forsakes it, only to return to the fold.
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ActionGirl: Black Cat
AxeCrazy: Carnage. In fact, one of his powers is turning his hands into axe-heads.
ColdSniper: Ryan, [[spoiler:when he tries to kill Aunt May]]
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NoHoldsBarredBeatdown: Spider-Man gets one of these from Carnage, and later gives one to Scorpion [[spoiler: after he kills his wife]]
ThouShaltNotKill: Black Cat urges an enraged Spider-Man not to kill Scorpion, but the arrival of [[spoiler:The Hobgoblin]] interrupts Spider-Man's dilemma, leaving it ambiguous whether he would have listened or not.
UnwittingPawn: Shocker, but its less that he doesn't know that he's being used and more that he doesn't want to be a pawn, but is forced to. [[spoiler: His attempts to resist ultimately prove hazardous to his health]]
ThouShaltNotKill: Black Cat urges an enraged Spider-Man not to kill Scorpion, but the arrival of [[spoiler:The Hobgoblin]] interrupts Spider-Man's dilemma, leaving it ambiguous whether he would have listened or not.
UnwittingPawn: Shocker, but its less that he doesn't know that he's being used and more that he doesn't want to be a pawn, but is forced to. [[spoiler: His attempts to resist ultimately prove hazardous to his health]]
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BroodingBoy,GentleGirl:[[spoiler:Spider-Man and Black Cat to an extent, although they are never really only a couple, only kissing at the very end.]] Not to mention Felicia's never TOO gentle.
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[[AbsenteeActor]]: Only Spider-Man appears in every chapter
[[AlternateContinuity]]: This fan-fic takes place in the alternate Marvel Earth 763
[[BroadStrokes]]: The Fan-fic (and Earth 763 as a whole) draw inspiration and elements from 616, the ultimate Marvel Universe, the movies, and more
[[BroodingBoy,GentleGirl]:[[spoiler:Spider-Man and Black Cat to an extent, although they are never really only a couple, only kissing at the very end.]] Not to mention Felicia's never TOO gentle.
[[ClarkKenting]]: Peter Parker obviously
[[CompleteMonster]:Hobgoblin fits this to a T. He [[spoiler:has Mary Jane killed]] and taunts and mocks Spider-Man about it several times, and also demonstrates his callousness regularly when speaking to anyone. Is unfailingly sadistic at almost all times. Carnage also fits this obviously, as do Scorpion and Ryan.
[[CompositeCharacter]]: [[spoiler:Ryan in a way, after gaining portions of both the Venom and Carnage Symbiotes]]
[[AlternateContinuity]]: This fan-fic takes place in the alternate Marvel Earth 763
[[BroadStrokes]]: The Fan-fic (and Earth 763 as a whole) draw inspiration and elements from 616, the ultimate Marvel Universe, the movies, and more
[[BroodingBoy,GentleGirl]:[[spoiler:Spider-Man and Black Cat to an extent, although they are never really only a couple, only kissing at the very end.]] Not to mention Felicia's never TOO gentle.
[[ClarkKenting]]: Peter Parker obviously
[[CompleteMonster]:Hobgoblin fits this to a T. He [[spoiler:has Mary Jane killed]] and taunts and mocks Spider-Man about it several times, and also demonstrates his callousness regularly when speaking to anyone. Is unfailingly sadistic at almost all times. Carnage also fits this obviously, as do Scorpion and Ryan.
[[CompositeCharacter]]: [[spoiler:Ryan in a way, after gaining portions of both the Venom and Carnage Symbiotes]]
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BadAss: Spider-Man, especially after [[spoiler:Mary Jane's death]]. Venom actually makes a snide remark about this
BadAssNormal: Black Cat
BerserkButton: [[spoiler:Hobgoblin]] repeatedly throws Spidey into a greater state of rage by [[spoiler:making callous comments about Mary Jane's death]]
BigBad: [[spoiler:Hobgoblin]]
BodyDouble: Daniel Kingsly for his brother Roderick Kingsly
BroadStrokes: The Fan-fic (and Earth 763 as a whole) draw inspiration and elements from 616, the ultimate Marvel Universe, the movies, and more
CurbStompBattle: Spidey's fight with Shocker and the Enforcers
GoreDiscretionShot: Scorpion killing [[spoiler: Mary Jane]] is not shown.
HeroicBlueScreenOfDeath: Spider-Man suffers this [[spoiler:Mary Jane's death]]
JerkWithAHeartOfGold: Venom, arguably
FortheEvulz: Carnage as always. Ryan seems to fit this too
Leader: Moon Knight is the leader of the Marvel Knights, and is where the team gets its name from
MagnificentBastard: [[spoiler:Hobgoblin]] and he relishes in it
MoralEventHorizon: [[spoiler: Hobgoblin's]] comes after [[spoiler: He has Mary Jane killed and then expresses sadistic relish at it.]] Scorpion's comes when he does the deed on [[spoiler: Hobgoblin's orders]]. Its implied that Carnage's came a long time ago.
YouFightLikeACow: Spider-Man as always, even after [[spoiler: Mary Jane's death]] it is said that he still cracks one-liners, but they are more abusive in nature, and less playful.
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[[AbsenteeActor]]: Only Spider-Man appears in every chapter
[[AlternateContinuity]]: This fan-fic takes place in the alternate Marvel Earth 763
[[BroadStrokes]]: The Fan-fic (and Earth 763 as a whole) draw inspiration and elements from 616, the ultimate Marvel Universe, the movies, and more
[[BroodingBoy,GentleGirl]:[[spoiler:Spider-Man and Black Cat to an extent, although they are never really only a couple, only kissing at the very end.]] Not to mention Felicia's never TOO gentle.
[[ClarkKenting]]: Peter Parker obviously
[[CompleteMonster]:Hobgoblin fits this to a T. He [[spoiler:has Mary Jane killed]] and taunts and mocks Spider-Man about it several times, and also demonstrates his callousness regularly when speaking to anyone. Is unfailingly sadistic at almost all times. Carnage also fits this obviously, as do Scorpion and Ryan.
[[CompositeCharacter]]: [[spoiler:Ryan in a way, after gaining portions of both the Venom and Carnage Symbiotes]]
[[AlternateContinuity]]: This fan-fic takes place in the alternate Marvel Earth 763
[[BroadStrokes]]: The Fan-fic (and Earth 763 as a whole) draw inspiration and elements from 616, the ultimate Marvel Universe, the movies, and more
[[BroodingBoy,GentleGirl]:[[spoiler:Spider-Man and Black Cat to an extent, although they are never really only a couple, only kissing at the very end.]] Not to mention Felicia's never TOO gentle.
[[ClarkKenting]]: Peter Parker obviously
[[CompleteMonster]:Hobgoblin fits this to a T. He [[spoiler:has Mary Jane killed]] and taunts and mocks Spider-Man about it several times, and also demonstrates his callousness regularly when speaking to anyone. Is unfailingly sadistic at almost all times. Carnage also fits this obviously, as do Scorpion and Ryan.
[[CompositeCharacter]]: [[spoiler:Ryan in a way, after gaining portions of both the Venom and Carnage Symbiotes]]
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"Spider-Man Downfall" is set in an alternate [[Marvel Universe]], Earth 763, and follows that world's [[Spider-Man]] as he is confronted by a series of brutal attacks on those he holds near and dear, and battles against a villain who knows who he is and uses that knowledge against him. It is a dark story to be sure, as we see Spider-Man be hit with the worst kind of tragedy and basically hit rock bottom as a result, then having to claw his way back out of the abyss as his enemy keeps up his attacks.
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"Spider-Man Downfall" is set in an alternate [[Marvel Universe]], MarvelUniverse, Earth 763, and follows that world's [[Spider-Man]] SpiderMan as he is confronted by a series of brutal attacks on those he holds near and dear, and battles against a villain who knows who he is and uses that knowledge against him. It is a dark story to be sure, as we see Spider-Man be hit with the worst kind of tragedy and basically hit rock bottom as a result, then having to claw his way back out of the abyss as his enemy keeps up his attacks.
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Originally called "Spider-Man: The Dark Side", the story began as a little something that was thought up for personal fun a few years ago by the author (who we will refer to by his FanFiction username "AzureSpider". The primary inspirations for the story were 1. [[Comics]] that AzureSpider's then-friend had been doing at the time, 2. The game "Spider-Man: Web of Shadows" and 3. Just what AzureSpider wanted to see out of Spider-Man if it were up to him. Namely, same characters and universe, with the humor retained, but also darker, and with Spider-Man more flawed as a person, as opposed to the saintly image that some more modern comics would give. The original story was to be 24 or 26 chapters in length, or at the time, actual issues.
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Originally called "Spider-Man: The Dark Side", the story began as a little something that was thought up for personal fun a few years ago by the author (who we will refer to by his FanFiction username "AzureSpider". The primary inspirations for the story were 1. [[Comics]] Comics that AzureSpider's then-friend had been doing at the time, 2. The game "Spider-Man: Web of Shadows" and 3. Just what AzureSpider wanted to see out of Spider-Man if it were up to him. Namely, same characters and universe, with the humor retained, but also darker, and with Spider-Man more flawed as a person, as opposed to the saintly image that some more modern comics would give. The original story was to be 24 or 26 chapters in length, or at the time, actual issues.
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"Spider-Man Downfall" is set in an alternate Marvel Universe, [[Marvel Universe]], Earth 763, and follows that world's Spider-Man [[Spider-Man]] as he is confronted by a series of brutal attacks on those he holds near and dear, and battles against a villain who knows who he is and uses that knowledge against him. It is a dark story to be sure, as we see Spider-Man be hit with the worst kind of tragedy and basically hit rock bottom as a result, then having to claw his way back out of the abyss as his enemy keeps up his attacks.
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Originally called "Spider-Man: The Dark Side", the story began as a little something that was thought up for personal fun a few years ago by the author (who we will refer to by his FanFiction username "AzureSpider". The primary inspirations for the story were 1. Comics [[Comics]] that AzureSpider's then-friend had been doing at the time, 2. The game "Spider-Man: Web of Shadows" and 3. Just what AzureSpider wanted to see out of Spider-Man if it were up to him. Namely, same characters and universe, with the humor retained, but also darker, and with Spider-Man more flawed as a person, as opposed to the saintly image that some more modern comics would give. The original story was to be 24 or 26 chapters in length, or at the time, actual issues.
