History ExecutiveMeddling / WesternAnimation

5th May '16 9:07:08 PM nombretomado
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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Gargoyles}} suffered this during its final season, The Goliath Chronicles. Executives wanted more lessons crammed in, resulting in a FullHouse moment at the end of every episode. Unsurprisingly, both the fans and the creator don't consider the third season as [[CanonDiscontinuity part of canon]], save for the first episode.

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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Gargoyles}} suffered this during its final season, The Goliath Chronicles. Executives wanted more lessons crammed in, resulting in a FullHouse ''Series/FullHouse'' moment at the end of every episode. Unsurprisingly, both the fans and the creator don't consider the third season as [[CanonDiscontinuity part of canon]], save for the first episode.
11th Apr '16 8:50:44 AM bweb
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** Of course, the writers disliked the whole TheComplainerIsAlwaysWrong approach, and made it a point for Eric's dire predictions to come true, without actually stating out loud that Eric had been correct, leaving it for observant viewers to notice.
5th Apr '16 7:21:28 AM Willbyr
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21st Mar '16 6:36:20 PM Karxrida
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* ''WesternAnimation/SupermanTheAnimatedSeries'' went through Executive Meddling as well, though not quite to the same degree. Bruce Timm said that for some reason, DC wouldn't give him permission to have Clark reveal his identity to Lois. Ever. And it came up again in ''Justice League'', when Timm revealed that DC again squashed the reveal by forbidding him to say or insinuate that Clark and Lois were dating -- ''when they'd been married in the comic for over ten years.'' It wasn't until the build-up to JLU's ([[UnCancelled first]]) GrandFinale that Superman (not Clark) took Lois on a date.
* Bruce Timm has confirmed that the members of the production staff were barred from using Sinestro or the Sinestro Corps in ''GreenLanternTheAnimatedSeries'' due to plans for the character in the [[Film/GreenLantern proposed film franchise]]. The writers have mentioned [[TropesAreNotBad this worked out for the best]], as it forced them to work with lesser known, untapped villains such as the Red Lanterns.

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* ''WesternAnimation/SupermanTheAnimatedSeries'' went through Executive Meddling as well, though not quite to the same degree. ''WesternAnimation/SupermanTheAnimatedSeries'': Bruce Timm said that for some reason, DC wouldn't give him permission to have Clark reveal his identity to Lois. Ever. And it It came up again in ''Justice League'', when Timm revealed that DC again squashed the reveal by forbidding him to say or insinuate that Clark and Lois were dating -- ''when they'd been despite them being married in the comic for over ten years.'' 10 (RealLife) years. It wasn't until the build-up to JLU's ([[UnCancelled first]]) GrandFinale that Superman (not Clark) took Lois on a date.
* ''GreenLanternTheAnimatedSeries'': Bruce Timm has confirmed that the members of the production staff were barred from using Sinestro or the Sinestro Corps in ''GreenLanternTheAnimatedSeries'' due to plans for the character in the [[Film/GreenLantern proposed film franchise]]. The writers have mentioned [[TropesAreNotBad this worked out for the best]], as it forced them to work with lesser known, untapped villains such as the Red Lanterns.
21st Mar '16 2:47:44 PM Berrenta
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* Surprisingly, an episode of ''WesternAnimation/PepperAnn'', called "Girl Power," shows this example perfectly. When Pepper Ann's sister Moose sees her favorite comic-turned-TV show, Tundra Woman is, at first turned into TheDitz, then when Moose rallies people to make feminist complaints about this, the executives go ''way'' too far in the other direction and turn Tundra Woman into TheAmazon, which draws further complaints due to her losing all character in favor of being an overly-violent Neanderthal. In the end, it was cancelled and replaced with a space cartoon.
* Also the same reason why ''WesternAnimation/CourageTheCowardlyDog'' was taken off the air for a while, eventually only being shown in October. The show now airs throughout the year, thanks to popular demand.

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* Surprisingly, an An episode of ''WesternAnimation/PepperAnn'', called "Girl Power," shows this example perfectly. an InUniverse example. When Pepper Ann's sister Moose sees her favorite comic-turned-TV show, Tundra Woman is, is at first turned into TheDitz, then when TheDitz. When Moose rallies people to make feminist complaints about this, the executives go ''way'' too far in the other direction and turn Tundra Woman into TheAmazon, which draws further complaints due to her losing all character in favor of being an overly-violent Neanderthal. In the end, it was cancelled and replaced with a space cartoon.
* Also the same reason This is why ''WesternAnimation/CourageTheCowardlyDog'' was taken off the air for a while, eventually only being shown in October. The show now airs throughout the year, thanks to by popular demand.



** The ''BTAS'' episode "Over the Edge" was subject to one of the most ironically positive bits of Executive Meddling known to man. [[spoiler:Originally, when Batgirl/Barbara was to fall to her death while hitting her father's police car on the way down, the camera angle stayed outside of the car, looking head-on at Gordon and Bullock as Barbara hits the hood. The network censors objected to the blatant on-screen violence and flagged the shot. The sinister bastards at WB Animation then set the shot of Barbara landing on the hood from ''inside'' the police car, using the conventional "back seat" shot seen in so many movies. This is a much more startling and frightening shot, as the camera angle is so common and generic that the violence is ten times more unexpected. However, the censors, in a remarkable show of GenreBlindness, only paid attention to the fact that Barbara's landing was technically further away from the camera and signed off on the more vicious shot.]] [[{{HSQ}} Those suckers.]]
*** An interview with Dini shows him saying something to the effect of "If the network wanted us to change a scene because it was too violent or scary, our policy was to follow their words to the letter, but at the same time make it much scarier," noting that they could get away with a lot of terrors if they followed the words to the letter.
*** This is horrifyingly obvious when you see [[WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyondReturnOfTheJoker Return of the Joker]]. Rather than just being shot, [[spoiler:Joker]] is electrocuted and gives a nightmare-inducing death scream, and we [[NothingIsScarier don't see it happen or how the body looks like afterward.]]

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** The ''BTAS'' episode "Over the Edge" was subject to one of the most ironically positive bits of Executive Meddling known to man.Meddling. [[spoiler:Originally, when Batgirl/Barbara was to fall to her death while hitting her father's police car on the way down, the camera angle stayed outside of the car, looking head-on at Gordon and Bullock as Barbara hits the hood. The network censors objected to the blatant on-screen violence and flagged the shot. The sinister bastards writers at WB Animation then set the shot of Barbara landing on the hood from ''inside'' the police car, using the conventional "back seat" shot seen in so many movies. This is a much more startling and frightening shot, as the camera angle is so common and generic that the violence is ten times more unexpected. However, the censors, in a remarkable show of GenreBlindness, only paid attention to the fact that Barbara's landing was technically further away from the camera and signed off on the more vicious shot.]] [[{{HSQ}} Those suckers.]]
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An interview with Dini shows him saying something to the effect of "If the network wanted us to change a scene because it was too violent or scary, our policy was to follow their words to the letter, but at the same time make it much scarier," noting that they could get away with a lot of terrors if they followed the words to the letter.
*** This is horrifyingly obvious when you see [[WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyondReturnOfTheJoker Return of the Joker]]. Rather than just being shot, [[spoiler:Joker]] is electrocuted and gives a nightmare-inducing death scream, and we [[NothingIsScarier don't see it happen or how the body looks like afterward.]]
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* ''WesternAnimation/SupermanTheAnimatedSeries'' suffered from Executive Meddling as well, though not quite to the same degree. Bruce Timm said that for some reason, DC wouldn't give him permission to have Clark reveal his identity to Lois. Ever. And it came up again in ''Justice League'', when Timm revealed that DC again squashed the reveal by forbidding him to say or insinuate that Clark and Lois were dating -- ''when they'd been married in the comic for over ten years.'' It wasn't until the build-up to JLU's ([[UnCancelled first]]) GrandFinale that Superman (not Clark) took Lois on a date.
** That could explain [[http://dcanimated.wikia.com/wiki/Double_Talk?file=DoubleTalkLoisClark.png this cameo]] at the WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries episode ''Double Talk'', the ventriloquist walks in a park as he passes Clark (not Superman) and Lois lying in the grass.
** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZfVdqnu9h0#t=4m42s Here's an Opie and Anthony clip of a caller specifically calling out Turner Executive Jamie Kellner for cancelling Batman TAS and Superman TAS, along with everything else that was good about the network.]]

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* ''WesternAnimation/SupermanTheAnimatedSeries'' suffered from went through Executive Meddling as well, though not quite to the same degree. Bruce Timm said that for some reason, DC wouldn't give him permission to have Clark reveal his identity to Lois. Ever. And it came up again in ''Justice League'', when Timm revealed that DC again squashed the reveal by forbidding him to say or insinuate that Clark and Lois were dating -- ''when they'd been married in the comic for over ten years.'' It wasn't until the build-up to JLU's ([[UnCancelled first]]) GrandFinale that Superman (not Clark) took Lois on a date.
** That could explain [[http://dcanimated.wikia.com/wiki/Double_Talk?file=DoubleTalkLoisClark.png this cameo]] at the WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries episode ''Double Talk'', the ventriloquist walks in a park as he passes Clark (not Superman) and Lois lying in the grass.
** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZfVdqnu9h0#t=4m42s Here's an Opie and Anthony clip of a caller specifically calling out Turner Executive Jamie Kellner for cancelling Batman TAS and Superman TAS, along with everything else that was good about the network.]]
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* On the Marvel side of things, Human Torch was '''[[{{Misblamed}} not]]''' left out of ''WesternAnimation/TheFantasticFour1978'' because network execs feared children would set themselves on fire to imitate him. Rather it was because Universal had the rights to the character for an (eventually unmade) project.
** In the FF comic book, the Torch explained that he was out of the country when the contracts for the cartoon were being signed.

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* On the Marvel side of things, Human Torch was '''[[{{Misblamed}} not]]''' left out of ''WesternAnimation/TheFantasticFour1978'' because network execs feared children would set themselves on fire to imitate him. Rather Rather, it was because Universal had the rights to the character for an (eventually unmade) project.
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project. The Torch explains in the FF comic book, the Torch explained book that he was out of the country when the contracts for the cartoon were being signed.
21st Mar '16 2:20:47 PM Berrenta
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* ''WesternAnimation/AdventureTime'' is notorious for GettingCrapPastTheRadar, and dancing circles around the censors [[note]]though ''WesternAnimation/TimeSquad'' set the bar in the "dancing around the censors" department and ''WesternAnimation/RegularShow'' gets away with more an episode than ''WesternAnimation/AdventureTime'' can in a season[[/note]] -- at least in America [[note]]Australia and the Philippines' versions of Cartoon Network have shredded the show due to innuendo and what they consider to be rude language[[/note]]. However, one thing in particular wouldn't fly with the censors- the character Tree Trunks dying by explosion in the episode "Tree Trunks". In a case of very positive executive meddling, the creators revealed that she had been transported to a crystal world, and she was later rescued by the titular characters. She returned in other episodes. Tree Trunks is one of the most beloved characters in the show. If the creators had had their way, she would have exploded, and only appeared in one episode. But they were forced to think outside of their own box, which led to a few excellent episodes all about Tree Trunks, like "Crystals Have Power" and "Apple Thief".
** It also got hit with a more negative, long-term instance of this trope. Due to some countries the show airs having laws [[HeteronormativeCrusader against the depiction of homosexuality/bisexuality]] [[MoralGuardians in children's programming]], the network currently won't let the creators openly acknowledge Marceline and Princess Bubblegum's lesbian relationship in the show. The writers have resorted to simply implying it as hard as possible without actually saying it, though they've been allowed to [[WordOfGay confirm it in interviews and on the internet]].

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* ''WesternAnimation/AdventureTime'' ''WesternAnimation/AdventureTime'':
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is notorious for GettingCrapPastTheRadar, and dancing circles around the censors [[note]]though ''WesternAnimation/TimeSquad'' set the bar in the "dancing around the censors" department and ''WesternAnimation/RegularShow'' gets away with more an episode than ''WesternAnimation/AdventureTime'' can in a season[[/note]] -- at least in America [[note]]Australia and the Philippines' versions of Cartoon Network have shredded the show due to innuendo and what they consider to be rude language[[/note]]. However, language[[/note]], one thing in particular wouldn't fly with the censors- censors: the character Tree Trunks dying by explosion in the episode "Tree Trunks". In a case of very positive executive meddling, the The creators revealed that she had been transported to a crystal world, and she was later rescued by the titular characters. She returned After her return in other episodes. episodes, Tree Trunks is one of the most beloved characters in the show. If the creators had had their way, she would have exploded, and only appeared in one episode. But Instead, they were forced to think outside of their own box, which led to a few excellent episodes all about Tree Trunks, like "Crystals Have Power" and "Apple Thief".
** It also got hit with a more negative, long-term instance of this trope. Due to some countries the show airs having laws [[HeteronormativeCrusader against the depiction of homosexuality/bisexuality]] [[MoralGuardians in children's programming]], the network currently won't let the creators openly acknowledge Marceline and Princess Bubblegum's lesbian relationship in the show. The writers have resorted to simply implying it as hard as possible without actually saying it, though they've been allowed to [[WordOfGay confirm it in interviews and on the internet]].
19th Mar '16 5:31:48 AM Hossmeister
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10th Mar '16 8:40:09 PM Karxrida
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** When Disney Channel executives heard the song "Gitchie Gitchie Goo", they asked the creators to make a song for each episode. A ''very'' positive example.

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** When Disney Channel executives heard the song "Gitchie Gitchie Goo", they asked the creators to make a song for each episode. A ''very'' positive example.
3rd Mar '16 12:53:21 PM YasminPerry
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With all the {{Moral Guardian}}s and people who want to milk money from franchises, Western Animation is rife with ExecutiveMeddling.

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With all the {{Moral Guardian}}s and people who want to milk money from franchises, Western Animation WesternAnimation is rife with ExecutiveMeddling.



* Creator/{{Disney}} during the last decade of Michael Eisner's reign was this trope ''in motion''. It came to a head in 1999, when Peter Schneider left his job as chairman of Disney Feature Animation. Eisner told Sharon Morrill (head of Disney's direct-to-video department) and newly installed Feature Animation head Thomas Schumacher that he no longer wanted to be beholden to filmmakers - from that point on, executives would be making all of the creative decisions. What resulted were seven years of the company spiraling out of control, burning bridges with nearly everyone in Hollywood (including their most valuable partner Creator/{{Pixar}}), infuriating their stockholders (who revolted after Creator/WaltDisney's nephew Roy resigned from the company in protest), and ultimately costing Eisner his job and Disney its reputation. Thankfully ItGotBetter, but those last few years are probably the reason that his successor Bob Iger has been the most hands-off CEO that Disney has ever had.
** Pixar had enough foresight to [[DefiedTrope defy]] this trope when they were purchased by Disney in 2006: one of the major stipulations in the deal was that Disney's upper management couldn't dictate the types of films that Pixar could make or interfere with them creatively, leaving the studio more or less autonomous within the Disney empire.
1st Mar '16 8:22:14 PM YasminPerry
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** When Disney Channel executives heard the song "Gitchie Gitchie Goo", they asked the creators to make a song for each episode.

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** When Disney Channel executives heard the song "Gitchie Gitchie Goo", they asked the creators to make a song for each episode. A ''very'' positive example.
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