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1st Aug '17 9:58:28 PM Owlorange1995
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* Similar to the comic books, ''Series/TheFlash2014'' has Barry face off against villainous speedsters each season. In Season 1, it's the Reverse-Flash ([[spoiler:Eobard Thawne/Harrison Wells]]); in Season 2, it's Zoom ([[spoiler:Zolomon Hunter]]), as well as one-shot encounters with the Reverse-Flash and a female speedster named Trajectory. In Season 3, during the Flashpoint timeline, Kid Flash ([[spoiler:Wally]]) has an evil counterpart in the face of the Rival (Edward Clariss), who may be building up to being Barry's counterpart in the main timeline, only to be killed by the real EvilCounterpart Savitar, the self-described "God of Speed", who wears a PoweredArmor, has mystical powers, and is ''much'' faster than Barry. [[spoiler:He is a surviving time remnant, created, when Barry tries to save Iris from Savitar in the near future. The remnant survives the fight, but is treated like crap by everyone, so he eventually loses it and becomes evil. One of the reasons he's so dangerous is that he remembers all the events from Barry's point of view, so anything that Barry tries, Savitar can counter]].

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* Similar to the comic books, ''Series/TheFlash2014'' has Barry face off against villainous speedsters each season. In Season 1, it's the Reverse-Flash ([[spoiler:Eobard Thawne/Harrison Wells]]); in Season 2, it's Zoom ([[spoiler:Zolomon Hunter]]), as well as one-shot encounters with the Reverse-Flash and a female speedster named Trajectory. In Season 3, during the Flashpoint timeline, Kid Flash ([[spoiler:Wally]]) has an evil counterpart in the face of the Rival (Edward Clariss), who may be building up to being Barry's counterpart in the main timeline, only to be killed by the real EvilCounterpart Savitar, Savitar([[spoiler:Future Flash]]), the self-described "God of Speed", who wears a PoweredArmor, has mystical powers, and is ''much'' faster than Barry. [[spoiler:He is a surviving time remnant, created, when Barry tries to save Iris from Savitar in the near future. The remnant survives the fight, but is treated like crap by everyone, so he eventually loses it and it, becomes evil.evil, [[StableTimeLoop and gives himself the name Savitar]]. One of the reasons he's so dangerous is that he remembers all the events from Barry's point of view, so anything that Barry tries, Savitar can counter]].
26th Jul '17 3:33:37 PM gb00393
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** Cersei to Catelyn. Both are MamaBear types who can be utterly ruthless, hold grudges hard, have difficulty controlling their newly-crowned sons and deal with the loss of children. However, Catelyn is HappilyMarried, is comfortable in her station in life and is good to most people, while Cersei is trapped in an ArrangedMarriage, yearns for even more power and is mean and petty.
22nd Jun '17 6:29:38 PM Akaihiryuu
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** The Pah-Wraiths themselves are the same race as the Prophets (the Federation refers to them as "wormhole aliens"). They were expelled from the wormhole and imprisoned in the Fire Caves on Bajor for committing "evil acts". Exactly what they did, and exactly how they were expelled and imprisoned is unknown. The Prophets exist outside of linear time (and in fact don't even understand the concept until Sisko explains it to them, and even then it's implied that they still don't quite understand).
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** The Smalljon to his departed father. Picture the Greatjon except morally ambiguous and you've got the Smalljon.
** The Smalljon is also this to Tormund Giantsbane, as they are both large, thickly bearded, ferocious warriors with a hot temper and foul mouth, but Smalljon serves as TheBrute to Ramsay while Tormund is TheBigGuy to Jon. Its rather fitting that they face each other in the Battle of the Bastards.
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** Locke to Rodrick Cassel. Both are masters-at-arms, both are their respective lords' chief subordinate (excluding other vassals), both enjoy good relationships with their lords' children, and both exhibit UndyingLoyalty towards their lords. But Rodrik is one of the series' straighter examples of KnightInShiningArmor, and Locke is hardly better than Ramsay.
28th May '17 9:16:08 PM cherrychels
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** Jack - Stephen Saunders in Season 3, Christopher Henderson in Season 5, [[spoiler:Tony Almeida]] in season 7, and [[spoiler: Cheng Zhi]] in season 9.

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** Jack - -- Stephen Saunders in Season 3, Christopher Henderson in Season 5, [[spoiler:Tony Almeida]] in season 7, and [[spoiler: Cheng Zhi]] in season 9.



** Michelle Dessler - Carrie Turner. She's not really bad but her ruthless effort to climb the ladder at CTU bordered on treason.
** Karen Hayes - Miles Papasian

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** Michelle Dessler - -- Carrie Turner. She's not really bad but her ruthless effort to climb the ladder at CTU bordered on treason.
** Karen Hayes - -- Miles Papasian



** Buffy = Darla (bubblegum-blonde HoneyTrap) and [[BewareTheSuperman Faith]] (Slayer who became DrunkWithPower. Whereas Kendra was the polar opposite of Buffy in nearly every way, Faith was meant to represent Buffy's "road not taken", a living embodiment of what Buffy might have been had her life's circumstances been different.)

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** Buffy = Darla (bubblegum-blonde HoneyTrap) and [[BewareTheSuperman Faith]] (Slayer Faith]], a Slayer who became DrunkWithPower. Whereas Kendra was the polar opposite of Buffy in nearly every way, Faith was meant to represent Buffy's "road not taken", taken" -- a living embodiment of what Buffy might have been had her life's circumstances been different.)



*** The Monk, the first evil counterpart encountered. A similar rogue time traveller and renegade from the Doctor's planet, and owner of a much better TARDIS than the Doctor's - and a similar tourist in Earth's history. The difference is that the Monk is interested in using time travel to fiddle with {{TemporalParadox}}es, [[HypotheticalFightDebate pit historical villains against each other]] and try to accelerate human technological development, and lacks the Doctor's respect for history. The New Eighth Doctor Adventures from AudioPlay/BigFinishDoctorWho develop this further - it is shown that the Eighth Doctor and the Meddling Monk consider each other the evil counterpart. The Doctor interferes with history to help people, but mostly will leave history intact and tries to find peaceful solutions, without killing innocents. The Monk tries to "improve" history and has a TheNeedsOfTheMany mentality, such as helping Ice Warriors take over Mars by killing thousands of human colonists to prevent the Ice Warriors killing billions when they attack another planet. This could be more emphasised in Big Finish by the fact that in his earliest Big Finish stories, the Doctor saving someone supposed to die nearly destroyed history.
*** The Master, the Doctor's FriendlyEnemy and his equal in intelligence and madness. The main difference is that the Doctor is benevolent and the Master is not. Some incarnations are more and less direct counterparts than others - the Delgado, Ainley and Jacobi Masters are equals but with very different personalities to the Doctor, and the Pratt/Beevers and Roberts Masters go in BodyHorror and CameBackWrong directions first with their mirror nature secondary, but the incarnation of the Master played by John Simm is a very direct evil version of the Tenth Doctor specifically, inheriting a lot of Ten's personality quirks and tics.
*** Davros - one aligned with the Daleks and one with the Time Lords, both {{Mad Scientist}}s, one works as a military "scientific advisor" while the other had worked as that and quit, both able to have complicated moral discussions with each other, and both - in "Genesis of the Daleks" at least - have a bit of MessianicArchetype or DarkMessiah about them, with Davros willing to create the Daleks and kill billions in order to [[AGodAmI become above the gods]], contrasted to the Doctor's unwillingness to kill the Daleks and save billions [[AGodIAmNot because it isn't his right to do so]].

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*** The Monk, the first evil counterpart encountered. A similar rogue time traveller and renegade from the Doctor's planet, and owner of a much better TARDIS than the Doctor's - -- and a similar tourist in Earth's history. The difference is that the Monk is interested in using time travel to fiddle with {{TemporalParadox}}es, [[HypotheticalFightDebate pit historical villains against each other]] and try to accelerate human technological development, and lacks the Doctor's respect for history. The New Eighth Doctor Adventures from AudioPlay/BigFinishDoctorWho develop this further - -- it is shown that the Eighth Doctor and the Meddling Monk consider each other the evil counterpart. The Doctor interferes with history to help people, but mostly will leave history intact and tries to find peaceful solutions, without killing innocents. The Monk tries to "improve" history and has a TheNeedsOfTheMany mentality, such as helping Ice Warriors take over Mars by killing thousands of human colonists to prevent the Ice Warriors killing billions when they attack another planet. This could be more emphasised in Big Finish by the fact that in his earliest Big Finish stories, the Doctor saving someone supposed to die nearly destroyed history.
*** The Master, the Doctor's FriendlyEnemy and his equal in intelligence and madness. The main difference is that the Doctor is benevolent and the Master is not. Some incarnations are more and less direct counterparts than others - -- the Delgado, Ainley and Jacobi Masters are equals but with very different personalities to the Doctor, and the Pratt/Beevers and Roberts Masters go in BodyHorror and CameBackWrong directions first with their mirror nature secondary, but the incarnation of the Master played by John Simm is a very direct evil version of the Tenth Doctor specifically, inheriting a lot of Ten's personality quirks and tics.
*** Davros - -- one aligned with the Daleks and one with the Time Lords, both {{Mad Scientist}}s, one works as a military "scientific advisor" while the other had worked as that and quit, both able to have complicated moral discussions with each other, and both - -- in "Genesis of the Daleks" at least - -- have a bit of MessianicArchetype or DarkMessiah about them, with Davros willing to create the Daleks and kill billions in order to [[AGodAmI become above the gods]], contrasted to the Doctor's unwillingness to kill the Daleks and save billions [[AGodIAmNot because it isn't his right to do so]].



** In "The Time Warrior", Irongron and Linx seem to be a dark version of the Brigadier and the Doctor - a highly advanced and intelligent alien crash-lands his broken time ship on Earth, is discovered by a comparatively primitive and stupid military leader, and agrees to work for him and offer technology in exchange for board and the resources to fix his ship. The main difference is that the Brigadier is, while difficult at times, trying to selflessly defend his country from alien threats, while Irongron is a sociopathic warlord seeking personal power; and the Doctor is pacifistic and understanding while Linx is a ProudWarriorRaceGuy and highly xenophobic.
** Dr. Simeon from "The Snowmen" could be seen as a dark counterpart to Amy Pond: both encountered an extraterrestrial as children who made a huge impression on them. Whereas Amy grew as a person from her travels with the Doctor, Simeon was corrupted by the Great Intelligence, becoming callous and power-mad as an adult. [[spoiler:Or rather, as it turns out, the Great Intelligence - very early in its timeline and learning by mimicry, becoming mostly a reflection of whoever it was connected to at that stage - was corrupted by ''him!'' HumansAreTheRealMonsters indeed.]]

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** In "The Time Warrior", Irongron and Linx seem to be a dark version of the Brigadier and the Doctor - -- a highly advanced and intelligent alien crash-lands his broken time ship on Earth, is discovered by a comparatively primitive and stupid military leader, and agrees to work for him and offer technology in exchange for board and the resources to fix his ship. The main difference is that the Brigadier is, while difficult at times, trying to selflessly defend his country from alien threats, while Irongron is a sociopathic warlord seeking personal power; and the Doctor is pacifistic and understanding while Linx is a ProudWarriorRaceGuy and highly xenophobic.
** Dr. Simeon from "The Snowmen" could be seen as a dark counterpart to Amy Pond: both encountered an extraterrestrial as children who made a huge impression on them. Whereas Amy grew as a person from her travels with the Doctor, Simeon was corrupted by the Great Intelligence, becoming callous and power-mad as an adult. [[spoiler:Or rather, as it turns out, the Great Intelligence - -- very early in its timeline and learning by mimicry, becoming mostly a reflection of whoever it was connected to at that stage - -- was corrupted by ''him!'' HumansAreTheRealMonsters indeed.]]



** Ramsay Snow to Jon Snow. Both are the highborn illegitimate son of a northern lord and resentful of their illegitimate status, but where Jon is one of the [[HeroicBastard most heroic and moral characters]] in the show, Ramsay is one its most [[BastardBastard sadistic and monstrous characters]]. While Jon took Tyrion's advice from the first season to heart and embraces his illegitimacy, Ramsay tries everything to hide it and being reminded of it is his BerserkButton. Ramsay's relationship with his father, Roose Bolton, is also a dark counterpoint to Jon's relationship with his father, Ned Stark. Where Ned loves and acknowledges Jon as one of his sons, raising him alongside his trueborn siblings in his castle, Roose treats Ramsay very poorly and only acknowledges him when he has no other choice. Jon [[BigBrotherInstinct loves and is protective of his half-siblings]], who love him, while Ramsay [[spoiler:kills his father, half-brother, and his father's new wife to ensure he himself is the only heir]]. In ''The Battle of the Bastards'', Jon [[spoiler:is mostly mindful of his own troops, suggesting before the battle that he and Ramsay duel each other so as to reduce the loss of life.]] Ramsay, however, [[spoiler:is more than willing to sacrifice his own men]], refusing Jon's [[spoiler:challenge and openly telling his archers to fire into battle when it means that his own soldiers will inevitably be caught in the onslaught.]] As far their conduct during the battle is concerned, Jon is heavily involved with fighting on the front lines, whereas Ramsay remains far away from the carnage and retreats as soon as things start falling apart. Actor Iwan Rheon, who portrays Ramsay, states: "Jon and Ramsay are literally the opposite to each other, you know, Jon's very noble and honorable and Ramsay's none of those things."

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** Ramsay Snow to Jon Snow. Both are the highborn illegitimate son of a northern lord and resentful of their illegitimate status, but where Jon is one of the [[HeroicBastard most heroic and moral characters]] in the show, Ramsay is one its most [[BastardBastard sadistic and monstrous characters]]. While Jon took Tyrion's advice from the first season to heart and embraces his illegitimacy, Ramsay tries everything to hide it and being reminded of it is his BerserkButton. Ramsay's relationship with his father, Roose Bolton, is also a dark counterpoint to Jon's relationship with his father, Ned Stark. Where Ned loves and acknowledges Jon as one of his sons, raising him alongside his trueborn siblings in his castle, castle and [[spoiler:protects Jon by [[TheGreatestStoryNeverTold claiming him as his illegitimate son to save him from Robert Baratheon]]]], Roose treats Ramsay very poorly and only acknowledges him when he has no other choice. Jon [[BigBrotherInstinct loves and is protective of his half-siblings]], who love him, while Ramsay [[spoiler:kills his father, half-brother, and his father's new wife to ensure he himself is the only heir]]. In ''The Battle of the Bastards'', Jon [[spoiler:is mostly mindful of his own troops, suggesting before the battle that he and Ramsay duel each other so as to reduce the loss of life.]] Ramsay, however, [[spoiler:is more than willing to sacrifice his own men]], refusing Jon's [[spoiler:challenge and openly telling his archers to fire into battle when it means that his own soldiers will inevitably be caught in the onslaught.]] As far their conduct during the battle is concerned, Jon is heavily involved with fighting on the front lines, whereas Ramsay remains far away from the carnage and retreats as soon as things start falling apart. Actor Iwan Rheon, who portrays Ramsay, states: "Jon and Ramsay are literally the opposite to each other, you know, Jon's very noble and honorable and Ramsay's none of those things."



** Martine is simultaneously the EvilCounterpart to Shaw (emotionless, lacks empathy, states that all her interests revolve around guns) and Root ([[spoiler:constantly in God Mode - i.e. following the instructions that her AI overlord whispers in her ear]]).

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** Martine is simultaneously the EvilCounterpart to Shaw (emotionless, lacks empathy, states that all her interests revolve around guns) and Root ([[spoiler:constantly in God Mode - -- i.e. following the instructions that her AI overlord whispers in her ear]]).
28th May '17 7:36:43 PM cherrychels
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* ''{{Heroes}}'' gives us Peter Petrelli and his evil counterpart Sylar. Both wanted to be special, both are initially believed to be powerless at first, both have absorbing powers, and both want to do great things with their powers. Peter comes from a wealthy amoral family who view him as the underachiever, while Sylar comes from a poor religious power family. Peter goes against his family's wishes to pursue a career in nursing to help people, while Sylar becomes a watchmaker to appease his mother. Peter desires to be special, but he ultimately wants to use it to help people, while Sylar let is desire to be special to consume him and lead him to murder, manipulations, sadism, etc. Sylar initially kills people to steal their powers, while Peter absorbs people's powers by empathizing with them. As the series went on Peter and Sylar's stories always paralleled with each other. Part of the third season explored similarities and difference between them and how easily Peter could have become like Sylar or Sylar become like Peter.

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* ''{{Heroes}}'' gives us Peter Petrelli and his evil counterpart Sylar. Both wanted want to be special, both are initially believed to be powerless at first, both have absorbing powers, and both want to do great things with their powers. Peter comes from a wealthy amoral family who view him as the underachiever, while Sylar comes from a poor religious power family. Peter goes against his family's wishes to pursue a career in nursing to help people, while Sylar becomes a watchmaker to appease his mother. Peter desires to be special, special but he ultimately wants to use it to help people, people while Sylar let is Sylar's desire to be special to consume consumes him and lead leads him to murder, manipulations, sadism, etc. Sylar initially kills people to steal their powers, while Peter inadvertently absorbs people's other's powers by empathizing with them. As the series went on Peter and Sylar's stories always paralleled with parallel each other. other's throughout the series. Part of the third season season's storyline explored similarities and difference between them and how easily Peter could have become like Sylar or Sylar become like Peter.



** Next, there was Peter Pan, a contrast to Rumplestiltskin.
** After that, it was Zelena, Wicked Witch of the West, who contrasted with [[spoiler: her half sister]] regina in how much the latter has changed.

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** Next, there was Peter Pan, a contrast to Rumplestiltskin.
Rumpelstiltskin.
** After that, it was Zelena, Wicked Witch of the West, who is contrasted with [[spoiler: her half sister]] regina half-sister]] Regina, who has been redeemed and made a HeelFaceTurn at this point in how much the latter has changed.series.



** [[TheEmpire The Dominion]] was designed to be an anti-[[TheFederation Federation]], rather than a single hostile alien race like other antagonist factions. Like the Federation, the Dominion was made up of hundreds of races and thousands of worlds, but bound togetehr by fear and enforced obedience rather than idealism.

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** [[TheEmpire The Dominion]] was designed to be an anti-[[TheFederation Federation]], rather than a single hostile alien race like other antagonist factions. Like the Federation, the Dominion was made up of hundreds of races and thousands of worlds, but bound togetehr together by fear and enforced obedience rather than idealism.



* [=MacPherson=] to Artie in ''Series/{{Warehouse 13}}''. They used to be partners and friends until both fell in love with the same woman. The break happened when the woman was trapped in a burning building, and Artie refused to ues the Phoenix, an artifact that would allow one to survive being burned but would kill a random person instead. [=MacPherson=] used the Phoenix to save her and was kicked out of the Warehouse. He has since spent years tracking down artifacts, like Artie. However, he doesn't want to put them away for safekeeping but to use them to further his own ends. He even has a [[StunGun Tesla]] of his own.

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* [=MacPherson=] to Artie in ''Series/{{Warehouse 13}}''. They used to be partners and friends until both fell in love with the same woman. The break happened when the woman was trapped in a burning building, and Artie refused to ues use the Phoenix, an artifact that would allow one to survive being burned but would kill a random person instead. [=MacPherson=] used the Phoenix to save her and was kicked out of the Warehouse. He has since spent years tracking down artifacts, like Artie. However, he doesn't want to put them away for safekeeping but to use them to further his own ends. He even has a [[StunGun Tesla]] of his own.
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** Annie Kim to Annie Edison in "Geography of Global Conflict". While both are ruthlessly competitive and Annie Kim might be better behaved than the prone-to-meltdowns Annie Edison, the former ''also'' lacks the humanising qualities that make the latter likeable and sympathetic despite her flaws.

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** Annie Kim to Annie Edison in "Geography of Global Conflict". While both are ruthlessly competitive and Annie Kim might be better behaved than the prone-to-meltdowns Annie Edison, the former ''also'' lacks the humanising qualities that make the latter likeable likable and sympathetic despite her flaws.



** Ramsay Snow to Jon Snow. Both are the bastard son of a northern lord and resentful of their illegitimate status, but Jon is one of the most overtly heroic characters in the show and Ramsay is the most depraved monster who managed to outclass Joffrey and the Mountain. While Jon took Tyrion's advice from the first season to heart and embraces his bastardy, Ramsay tries everything to hide it and being reminded of it is his BerserkButton. Ramsay's relationship with his father, Roose Bolton, is also a dark counterpoint to Jon's relationship with his father, Ned Stark. Where Ned loves and acknowledges Jon as one of his sons, raising him alongside his trueborn siblings in his castle, and his also loved by them and his uncle and is very protective of them, GRRM states in HBO's featurette 'Bastards in Westeros', "Ramsay gets nothing from Roose," with Roose treating Ramsay poorly and only acknowledging him when he has no other choice for an heir and Ramsay later kills his father, half-brother, and his father's new wife to ensure he is the only heir and the heir of Winterfell. In "The Battle of the Bastards", Jon is mostly mindful of his own troops, suggesting before the battle that he and Ramsay simply duel each other so as to reduce the loss of men. Ramsay, however, is more than willing to sacrifice his own men, refusing Jon's challenge and openly telling his archers to fire into battle when it means that his own soldiers will inevitably be caught in the onslaught. As far their conduct during the battle is concerned, Jon is heavily involved with fighting on the front lines (possibly getting the highest kill count of anyone aside from Wun Wun), whereas Ramsay remains far away from the carnage and retreats as soon as things start falling apart. Actor Iwan Rheon, who portrays Ramsay, states: "Jon and Ramsay are literally the opposite to each other, you know, Jon's very noble and honorable and Ramsay's none of those things." Slightly subverted in that [[spoiler:Jon turns out to be the bastard son of Rhaegar Targaryan and Lyanna Stark, Ned's sister, so he's still a bastard, but not the son of who he thinks he is. In fact, Jon has a claim to the throne]].
** Joffrey Baratheon to Robb Stark. Both are young men who rise to power around the same time after their father's death, but Joffrey is TheCaligula and a DirtyCoward who would sooner let his guards do his dirty work for him and Robb is the YoungConqueror and a beloved leader. They both share the same flaws of making political enemies due to their rash behaviors (Robb's Honor and Joffrey's Greed). This ultimately costs both of them their lives, dying in a similar manner by treachery at a wedding within weeks of the same time frame.
** Roose Bolton to Ned Stark. He is the head of a powerful house in the North, (atleast tried) to mentor Robb, and usurped Ned's title as Warden of the North and Lord of Winterfell after murdering his son Robb.

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** Ramsay Snow to Jon Snow. Both are the bastard highborn illegitimate son of a northern lord and resentful of their illegitimate status, but where Jon is one of the [[HeroicBastard most overtly heroic characters and moral characters]] in the show and show, Ramsay is the one its most depraved monster who managed to outclass Joffrey [[BastardBastard sadistic and the Mountain. monstrous characters]]. While Jon took Tyrion's advice from the first season to heart and embraces his bastardy, illegitimacy, Ramsay tries everything to hide it and being reminded of it is his BerserkButton. Ramsay's relationship with his father, Roose Bolton, is also a dark counterpoint to Jon's relationship with his father, Ned Stark. Where Ned loves and acknowledges Jon as one of his sons, raising him alongside his trueborn siblings in his castle, and his also loved by them and his uncle and is very protective of them, GRRM states in HBO's featurette 'Bastards in Westeros', "Ramsay gets nothing from Roose," with Roose treating treats Ramsay very poorly and only acknowledging acknowledges him when he has no other choice for an heir choice. Jon [[BigBrotherInstinct loves and is protective of his half-siblings]], who love him, while Ramsay later kills [[spoiler:kills his father, half-brother, and his father's new wife to ensure he himself is the only heir and the heir of Winterfell. heir]]. In "The ''The Battle of the Bastards", Bastards'', Jon is [[spoiler:is mostly mindful of his own troops, suggesting before the battle that he and Ramsay simply duel each other so as to reduce the loss of men. life.]] Ramsay, however, is [[spoiler:is more than willing to sacrifice his own men, men]], refusing Jon's challenge [[spoiler:challenge and openly telling his archers to fire into battle when it means that his own soldiers will inevitably be caught in the onslaught. onslaught.]] As far their conduct during the battle is concerned, Jon is heavily involved with fighting on the front lines (possibly getting the highest kill count of anyone aside from Wun Wun), lines, whereas Ramsay remains far away from the carnage and retreats as soon as things start falling apart. Actor Iwan Rheon, who portrays Ramsay, states: "Jon and Ramsay are literally the opposite to each other, you know, Jon's very noble and honorable and Ramsay's none of those things." Slightly subverted in that [[spoiler:Jon turns out to be the bastard son of Rhaegar Targaryan and Lyanna Stark, Ned's sister, so he's still a bastard, but not the son of who he thinks he is. In fact, Jon has a claim to the throne]].
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** Joffrey Baratheon to Robb Stark. Both are young men who rise to power around the same time after their father's death, but Joffrey is TheCaligula and a DirtyCoward who would sooner let his guards do his dirty work for him and Robb is the YoungConqueror and a beloved leader. They both share the same flaws of making political enemies due to their rash behaviors (Robb's Honor honor and Joffrey's Greed).greed). This ultimately costs both of them their lives, dying in a similar manner by treachery at a wedding within weeks of the same time frame.
** Roose Bolton to Ned Stark. He is the head of a powerful house in the North, (atleast (at least tried) to mentor Robb, and usurped Ned's title as Warden of the North and Lord of Winterfell after murdering his son Robb.
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** Ramsay Snow to Jon Snow. Both are the bastard son of a northern lord, but Jon is heroic and Ramsay is definitely not. Ramsay's relationship with his father, Roose Bolton, is also a dark counterpoint to Jon's relationship with his father, Ned Stark. Where Ned loves and acknowledges Jon as one of his sons, raising him alongside his trueborn siblings in his castle, GRRM states in HBO's featurette 'Bastards in Westeros', "Ramsay gets nothing from Roose," with Roose treating Ramsay poorly and only acknowledging him when he has no other choice for an heir. Slightly subverted in that [[spoiler:Jon turns out to be the bastard son of Rhaegar Targaryan and Lyanna Stark, Ned's sister, so he's still a bastard, but not the son of who he thinks he is. In fact, Jon has a claim to the throne]].

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** Ramsay Snow to Jon Snow. Both are the bastard son of a northern lord, lord and resentful of their illegitimate status, but Jon is one of the most overtly heroic characters in the show and Ramsay is definitely not.the most depraved monster who managed to outclass Joffrey and the Mountain. While Jon took Tyrion's advice from the first season to heart and embraces his bastardy, Ramsay tries everything to hide it and being reminded of it is his BerserkButton. Ramsay's relationship with his father, Roose Bolton, is also a dark counterpoint to Jon's relationship with his father, Ned Stark. Where Ned loves and acknowledges Jon as one of his sons, raising him alongside his trueborn siblings in his castle, and his also loved by them and his uncle and is very protective of them, GRRM states in HBO's featurette 'Bastards in Westeros', "Ramsay gets nothing from Roose," with Roose treating Ramsay poorly and only acknowledging him when he has no other choice for an heir. heir and Ramsay later kills his father, half-brother, and his father's new wife to ensure he is the only heir and the heir of Winterfell. In "The Battle of the Bastards", Jon is mostly mindful of his own troops, suggesting before the battle that he and Ramsay simply duel each other so as to reduce the loss of men. Ramsay, however, is more than willing to sacrifice his own men, refusing Jon's challenge and openly telling his archers to fire into battle when it means that his own soldiers will inevitably be caught in the onslaught. As far their conduct during the battle is concerned, Jon is heavily involved with fighting on the front lines (possibly getting the highest kill count of anyone aside from Wun Wun), whereas Ramsay remains far away from the carnage and retreats as soon as things start falling apart. Actor Iwan Rheon, who portrays Ramsay, states: "Jon and Ramsay are literally the opposite to each other, you know, Jon's very noble and honorable and Ramsay's none of those things." Slightly subverted in that [[spoiler:Jon turns out to be the bastard son of Rhaegar Targaryan and Lyanna Stark, Ned's sister, so he's still a bastard, but not the son of who he thinks he is. In fact, Jon has a claim to the throne]].
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** Roose Bolton to Ned Stark. He is the head of a powerful house in the North, (atleast tried) to mentor Robb, usurped Ned's title as Warden of the North and Lord of Winterfell after murdering his son Robb.

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** Roose Bolton to Ned Stark. He is the head of a powerful house in the North, (atleast tried) to mentor Robb, and usurped Ned's title as Warden of the North and Lord of Winterfell after murdering his son Robb.
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