History EvenEvilHasStandards / LiveActionTV

29th Mar '18 12:48:14 PM catmuto
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** Lois might be an AbusiveParent, but Ida Kenzel is so downright cruel to her children that Lois called her off for it. You know your a monster of a parent if ''Malcom's mother'' calls you one. Oh, & by the way, Lois is her daughter!

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** Lois might be an AbusiveParent, but Ida Kenzel is so downright cruel to her children that Lois called her off for it. You know your you are a monster of a parent if ''Malcom's mother'' calls you one. Oh, & by the way, Lois is her daughter!
20th Mar '18 9:56:21 PM Fireblood
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* ''Series/TheFrankensteinChronicles'': Mrs. Bishop is offended by the accusation she killed children, noting that she has twelve herself (even when she's a serial killer, and those children are her partners in crime). It turns out she didn't do it.
2nd Mar '18 4:52:01 AM NoxSky12599
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** Similarly, a Dalek will spare a life if the death of that person by some other means is a fixed point in time.

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** Similarly, Certain moments and events are "fixed points in time", and attempting to change them can have certain reality-breaking consequences. In "[[DoctorWhoS30E16TheWatersOfMars The Waters of Mars]]", it's mentioned that a Dalek will spare had [[OOCIsSeriousBusiness spared a life if the girl's life]] when it detected that her death of that person by some other means is years later was a fixed point in time.point. Even the ''[[OmnicidalManiac Daleks]]'' know better than to try to mess with them.
21st Feb '18 6:55:41 PM dmcreif
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*** Silvio, a mafioso and friend of [[IntrepidReporter Ben Urich]]. He remembers the days when the mafia had standards, unlike the "new breed" of mobsters and criminals, which is why he's hoping to get out of the business.
--->'''Silvio:''' Used to be when you killed a man you sent his wife flowers. Now? Now you send his wife with him!



*** For example, in the episode where Kilgrave has taken over Jessica' childhood house, he controls Jessica's neighbor. It's a great moment because you can't help but see the appeal of his powers when he puts her in her place so deftly. Then later that episode you're reminded of how evil he is when he uses her as a suicide bomber.

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*** For example, in the episode where Kilgrave has taken over Jessica' childhood house, house. At one point, he controls Jessica's neighbor.neighbor and makes her admit to being very self-centered. It's a great moment because you can't help but see the appeal of his powers when he puts her in her place so deftly. Then later that episode you're reminded of how evil he is when he uses her as a suicide bomber.



*** Scarfe claims that he's this in comparison to Cottonmouth as he knows how volatile Cottonmouth is.



*** Bakuto in general apply this philosophy to how he runs his section of the Hand. He claims that Madame Gao's methods of running her part of the Hand are too extreme for him. Of course, much of it is a lie; he smiles more and generally avoids killing those who are still useful, but he uses many cultish recruitment techniques and will kill even his most loyal servants the second they stop being useful. Gao points out a few times that at least she's honest.

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*** Bakuto in general apply applies this philosophy to how he runs his section of the Hand. He claims that Madame Gao's methods of running her part of the Hand are too extreme for him. Of course, much of it is a lie; he lie. Bakuto just smiles more and generally avoids killing those who are still useful, but he uses many cultish recruitment techniques and will kill even his most loyal servants the second they stop being useful. Madame Gao points out a few times that at least she's honest.honest.
**''Series/ThePunisher2017'':
***Billy Russo prides himself on always keeping his word. Rawlins disregarding his promise to give Frank Castle a quick death gets him to set Frank free for revenge, and he lets Curtis live after it was part of the arrangement for his final showdown.
***Russo says he refused to take any part in the assassination attempt that killed Frank's family. Russo claims he regrets what happened, but Frank obviously still despises him since he knew about it and said nothing.
13th Feb '18 12:13:32 PM TheWanderer
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* PlayedForLaughs in ''Series/{{Galavant}}''. When Galavant finds out that the evil King Richard ([[IneffectualSympatheticVillain theoretically evil, anyway]]) hasn't slept with his wife, he awkwardly asks if he didn't... ''[[MaritalRapeLicense insist]]''.
-->'''Richard:''' I'm not an animal. I mean, sure, I'll kidnap a woman and force her to marry me, but after that I'm all about a woman's rights. I'm a modern, 13th century man.

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* PlayedForLaughs in ''Series/{{Galavant}}''. When ''Series/{{Galavant}}'':
** Played for laughs when
Galavant finds out that the evil King Richard ([[IneffectualSympatheticVillain theoretically evil, anyway]]) hasn't slept with his wife, he wife after kidnapping her and having her marry him. Galavant awkwardly asks if he Richard didn't... ''[[MaritalRapeLicense insist]]''.
-->'''Richard:''' --->'''Richard:''' I'm not an animal. I mean, sure, I'll kidnap a woman and force her to marry me, but after that I'm all about a woman's rights. I'm a modern, 13th century man.man.
** Gareth has done a lot of very nasty things as [[TheDragon the chief enforcer]] first for Richard and then for [[spoiler:Madalena]], who is a ''completely'' ruthless ruler, (and he subverted this trope in the first season when he appeared to balk at torturing people, then stated that [[TortureTechnician he had no problem with torture]] and rather likes it, he just didn't intend to obey the person ordering him to do it because he was still only loyal to Richard) however in the second season he gets freaked out by [[spoiler:Madalena's]] intention to acquire BlackMagic that you have to [[DealWithTheDevil sell your soul]] in order to use. As he later states, there's a fine line between being a horrible person and being a genuinely evil one, and he doesn't cross that line.
** Wormwood is a CardCarryingVillain of an EvilSorceror, but he is creeped out when his latest would-be apprentice sees that Wormwood has a baby in his tent and makes the assumption that she has to [[HumanSacrifice kill the child]] to [[IfYoureSoEvilEatThisKitten prove that she's serious]] about learning his brand of BlackMagic. Wormwood has to hastily clarify that [[PetTheDog he's just looking after the infant for one of the women on the kitchen staff]]. He is also taken aback moments later when said apprentice thinks she has to sign the contract in blood and cuts her hand open before he can stop her, when ink would have been just fine.



** One wider DeliberateValuesDissonance example is that even though Westeros is a medieval society where everyone engages in brutal violence and cut-throat politics, SacredHospitality is taken ''[[SeriousBusiness very]]'' seriously. The idea of violating it makes all but the very worst of Westerosi queasy. While at the Nightfort, Bran recalls the myth of the Rat Cook, whom the gods cursed not for murdering a prince, nor for [[TheSecretOfLongPorkPies baking him in a pie]], but for harming his guest. The events of The Red Wedding (House Stark and their bannermen were slaughtered at a wedding feast) shake the entire continent to its foundations.

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** One wider DeliberateValuesDissonance example is that even though Westeros is a medieval society where everyone engages in brutal violence and cut-throat politics, SacredHospitality is taken ''[[SeriousBusiness very]]'' seriously. The idea of violating it makes all but the very worst of Westerosi queasy. While at the Nightfort, Bran recalls the myth of the Rat Cook, whom the gods cursed not for murdering a prince, nor for [[TheSecretOfLongPorkPies baking him in a pie]], but for harming his guest. The events of The Red Wedding (House Stark and their bannermen were slaughtered at a wedding feast) shake the entire continent to its foundations.
8th Feb '18 4:15:07 AM gb00393
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** The Hound, who rode down an innocent peasant boy in "The Kingsroad", has an obvious distaste for seeing women abused, as shown by his protective actions with both Sansa and Arya. The Blu-ray extras mention a CynicismCatalyst of his troubled childhood, especially his dead little sister when enumerating suspicious deaths attributed the Sandor's brother Gregor which might be the source of this sentiment.

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** The Hound, who Sandor "The Hound" Clegane:
*** He
rode down an innocent peasant boy in "The Kingsroad", Kingsroad" but has an obvious distaste for seeing the women abused, he cares about even slightly abused or hurt, as shown by his protective actions with both Sansa and Arya. He goes against Joffrey's orders to protect Sansa. At one point, he actually abandons Joffrey's side to find and rescue Sansa in the middle of a massive riot and he promises to go out of his way to protect her from Joffrey. In regards to Arya, even though he's not going to get a ransom payment for her what with her mother and brother being killed Sandor doesn't leave her behind in the chaos of the Red Wedding. When he sees what the Freys have done to Robb's corpse, he is horrified, and quickly leaves so Arya doesn't have to witness any more of it, and when she later kills a Frey soldier in front of the rest of his unit, he gladly slaughters them, only slightly irritated that Arya didn't tell him first. In Season 4, his butchering of a squad of his brother's men was partially triggered by Polliver offering to trade food in return for being able to rape Arya. The Blu-ray extras mention a CynicismCatalyst of his troubled childhood, especially his dead little sister when enumerating suspicious deaths attributed the Sandor's brother Gregor which might be the source of this sentiment.sentiment.
*** Despite his taste for violence and death, he defends Ser Loras from his brother Gregor when the latter goes batshit and immediately goes on one knee after being told to by the King while dodging his brother's sword in the process.
*** In the first episode of Season 4, Arya asks why Sandor didn't steal anything of Joffrey's when he fled King's Landing. His response? 'A man's got to have a code.' He backpedals on this two episodes later, stealing a farmer's money after he and his daughter had given them food and shelter and offered work. It says something about how deeply buried his decency is that the most heroic thing he does during the scene is to leave them alive after he robs them. Arya points out that he said he's not a thief, and the Hound simply tells her "I wasn't."
*** He is visibly distraught by the sight of the dead villagers and Brother Ray hanging at the end of 6x07, though by this point he's more of an AntiHero.
31st Jan '18 11:41:35 AM Geoduck
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* ''Series/BlakesSeven'': [[TheEmpire Terran Federation]] officers sometimes namecheck this one. War criminal [[TheDragon Space Commander Travis]] objects (half-heartedly) to Servalan declaring a dead surgeon to be a deserter because his family will become slaves as punishment (he also saved Travis' life), and another officer is horrified when he learns Servalan [[spoiler: released a pandemic on a planet to force the inhabitants to allow her to use their cloning facility to clone herself.]] They both still follow their orders afterwards.

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[[TheEmpire Terran Federation]] officers sometimes namecheck this one. War criminal [[TheDragon Space Commander Travis]] objects (half-heartedly) to Servalan declaring a dead surgeon to be a deserter because his family will become slaves as punishment (he also saved Travis' life), and another officer is horrified when he learns Servalan [[spoiler: released a pandemic on a planet to force the inhabitants to allow her to use their cloning facility to clone herself.]] They both still follow their orders afterwards.afterwards.
** In a more humorous example, career criminal Bayban the Butcher grumbles about Blake edging him out of the #1 spot on the Federation's "Most Wanted" list by resorting to quick n' easy politics.
31st Jan '18 9:34:20 AM MikeDanCatch
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** During season 3, inmate Malcolm Coyle confesses to Augustus Hill about murdering an entire family. This event shows a lot of characters having standards. Hill agrees to testify against Coyle. In response Kareem Said gets: Antonio Nappa, Chico Guerra and even Vern Schillinger to protect Hill because they find what Coyle did sicking. Bonus points to Schillinger who is the leader of the Ayran Brotherhood and is willing to protect black Augustus Hill.
19th Jan '18 12:20:05 PM superkeijikun
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** Hector "Tio" Salamanca is a member of the Juarez Cartel's old guard. While he has no love for Walter or Jesse, he has even less love for the authorities and refuses to cooperate with them under any circumstance, even when he has Jesse dead to rights in the second season when he is brought in to be a witness against him; he instead elects to soil himself to spite the DEA.
29th Dec '17 1:25:59 PM Wildstar93
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** He also finds Spencer's plan to have him (Negan) kill Rick so he can take over to be distasteful, stating that Spencer doesn't have the guts to actually kill Rick himself in combat to take over. Therefore, he [[GuttedLikeAFish stabs Spencer in the stomach]], [[BlackComedy remarking with a chuckle that Spencer did have guts after all]].
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