History EvenEvilHasStandards / LiveActionTV

30th Jan '17 8:19:17 AM SuperBlah
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* ''Series/ASeriesOfUnfortunateEvents2017'' has Count Olaf's theatre troupe, who, though alright with threats, are horrified whenever their leader actually harms one of the children. The Hook-Handed Man in particular gets ready to catch Sunny when Olaf holds her over a table. [[spoiler:This is likely foreshadowing; in the books, the White-Faced Women eventually quit in disgust, and the Hook-Handed Man switches sides.]]
18th Jan '17 9:12:09 AM Briguy52748
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* ''Series/LittleHouseOnThePrairie'': Mrs. Oleson and Nellie surely were the most vile, wicked characters in the series. Nellie has played plenty of cruel tricks, mainly on Laura, but it was mostly to assert herself and her family's prominence in the community; she never would stoop to such things as assault or putting people's lives in danger, as her adopted sister, Nancy, would later do. As for Harriet, while she has spread lots of vile gossip about people she didn't like or get along with largely, the Ingalls family, the Garveys, Mr. Edwards, Doc Baker, Rev. Alden and any of the schoolteachers she drew the line at outright racism (although she is bigoted, it's largely her being a product of her time), theft, murder and hatred for children. She notably admitted in one episode she made a mistake in having schoolteacher Miss Beadle fired and replaced by someone who hated all children (especially after hearing the new teacher's rant about how children disgust him), and told a racist farmer to shut up when he went on a tirade about white and black people being seen together.

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* ''Series/LittleHouseOnThePrairie'': Mrs. Oleson and Nellie surely were the most vile, wicked characters in the series. Nellie has played plenty of cruel tricks, mainly on Laura, but it was mostly to assert herself and her family's prominence in the community; she never would stoop to such things as assault or putting people's lives in danger, as her adopted sister, Nancy, would later do. As for Harriet, while she has spread lots of vile gossip about people she didn't like or get along with largely, the Ingalls family, the Garveys, Mr. Edwards, Doc Baker, Rev. Alden and any of the schoolteachers schoolteachers ... and at times even her own husband(!) she drew the line at outright racism (although she is bigoted, it's largely her being a product of her time), theft, murder and hatred for children. She notably admitted in one episode she made a mistake in having schoolteacher Miss Beadle fired and replaced by someone who hated all children (especially after hearing the new teacher's rant about how children disgust him), and told a racist farmer to shut up when he went on a tirade about white and black people being seen together.
13th Jan '17 2:57:53 PM gb00393
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** Speaking of, even Cersei herself is visibly shocked and horrified by some of [[TheCaligula Joffrey]]'s mad antics. First off, she (and Pycelle) are seen frantically trying to dissuade him from having Ned executed (although this could also be less caring about Ned's life and more because, being GenreSavvy, they know it would lead to a CivilWar), and secondly being shaken to the core by Joffrey's suggestion that he serve [[spoiler:Robb Stark's head to Sansa]] at the wedding feast and pretends he's just joking. In fact, the ''entire'' Lannister small council has this shaken reaction.

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** Speaking of, even Cersei herself is visibly shocked and horrified by some of [[TheCaligula Joffrey]]'s mad antics. First off, she (and Pycelle) are seen frantically trying to dissuade him from having Ned executed (although this could also be less caring about Ned's life and more because, being GenreSavvy, they know it would lead to a CivilWar), and secondly her being shaken to the core by Joffrey's suggestion that he serve [[spoiler:Robb Stark's head to Sansa]] at the wedding feast and pretends he's just joking. In fact, the ''entire'' Lannister small council has this shaken reaction.
13th Jan '17 2:56:44 PM gb00393
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** Speaking of, even Cersei herself is visibly shocked and horrified by some of [[TheCaligula Joffrey]]'s mad antics. First off, she (and Pycelle) are seen frantically trying to dissuade him from having Ned executed (although this could also be less caring about Ned's life and more because, being GenreSavvy, she knows it would lead to a CivilWar), and secondly being shaken to the core by Joffrey's suggestion that he serve [[spoiler:Robb Stark's head to Sansa]] at the wedding feast and pretends he's just joking. In fact, the ''entire'' Lannister small council has this shaken reaction.

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** Speaking of, even Cersei herself is visibly shocked and horrified by some of [[TheCaligula Joffrey]]'s mad antics. First off, she (and Pycelle) are seen frantically trying to dissuade him from having Ned executed (although this could also be less caring about Ned's life and more because, being GenreSavvy, she knows they know it would lead to a CivilWar), and secondly being shaken to the core by Joffrey's suggestion that he serve [[spoiler:Robb Stark's head to Sansa]] at the wedding feast and pretends he's just joking. In fact, the ''entire'' Lannister small council has this shaken reaction.
13th Jan '17 2:55:51 PM gb00393
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** Speaking of, even Cersei herself is visibly shocked and horrified by some of [[TheCaligula Joffrey]]'s mad antics. First off, she's seen frantically trying to dissuade him from having Ned executed (although this could also be less caring about Ned's life and more because, being GenreSavvy, she knows it would lead to a CivilWar), and secondly being shaken to the core by Joffrey's suggestion that he serve [[spoiler:Robb Stark's head to Sansa]] at the wedding feast.

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** Speaking of, even Cersei herself is visibly shocked and horrified by some of [[TheCaligula Joffrey]]'s mad antics. First off, she's she (and Pycelle) are seen frantically trying to dissuade him from having Ned executed (although this could also be less caring about Ned's life and more because, being GenreSavvy, she knows it would lead to a CivilWar), and secondly being shaken to the core by Joffrey's suggestion that he serve [[spoiler:Robb Stark's head to Sansa]] at the wedding feast.feast and pretends he's just joking. In fact, the ''entire'' Lannister small council has this shaken reaction.


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** The Hound, who rode down an innocent peasant boy in "The Kingsroad", has an obvious distaste for seeing women abused as shown by his protective actions with both Sansa and Arya. The Bluray extras mention a DeadLittleSister when enumerating suspicious deaths attributed the Sandor's brother Gregor.
** Tormund is a pitiless wildling raider who kills innocent villagers without hesitation, but even he hates the CannibalClan Thenns.
** Subverted by Rast, who is very conflicted about leaving a baby in the snow, but ultimately goes through with it after covering the baby's face to dehumanize it.
** Ygritte, despite presenting a much darker side all season, spares Gilly and her child in "The Mountain and the Viper."
1st Jan '17 6:46:06 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''Series/AmericanGothic'': In the episode "Strong Arm of the Law", Sheriff Buck is shown tormenting, manipulating, and eventually killing or running out of Trinity a foursome of out-of-town criminals. The thing that makes this an example of the trope is that even though Buck is, nominally, a lawman, we never see him upholding the law, [[CorruptHick merely subverting and twisting it to his own ends]]. While getting rid of the criminals smacks very much of "This is my turf, only I get to run roughshod over my people," the simple fact is Buck ''is in the right'' in this episode, and is shown to have standards, albeit warped ones: while he will haunt, corrupt, blackmail, and drive people insane, he won't come out and be an outright criminal, or allow any real ones to hurt the innocent in Trinity.

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* ''Series/AmericanGothic'': ''Series/AmericanGothic1995'': In the episode "Strong Arm of the Law", Sheriff Buck is shown tormenting, manipulating, and eventually killing or running out of Trinity a foursome of out-of-town criminals. The thing that makes this an example of the trope is that even though Buck is, nominally, a lawman, we never see him upholding the law, [[CorruptHick merely subverting and twisting it to his own ends]]. While getting rid of the criminals smacks very much of "This is my turf, only I get to run roughshod over my people," the simple fact is Buck ''is in the right'' in this episode, and is shown to have standards, albeit warped ones: while he will haunt, corrupt, blackmail, and drive people insane, he won't come out and be an outright criminal, or allow any real ones to hurt the innocent in Trinity.
30th Dec '16 7:32:44 AM TheWanderer
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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': Invoked and mocked by Theon's torturer [[spoiler:Ramsay Snow]]. He castrates Theon, and in a later scene he [[ImAHumanitarian eats a suspiciously-looking piece of meat]] in front of a cringing Theon. He pretends to be shocked at the suggestion that Theon would think him a cannibalistic savage and confirms it's just pork sausage. He is obviously just messing with his prisoner's mind out of cruelty but it's very doubtful if he would really have such a standard.

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Invoked and mocked by Theon's torturer [[spoiler:Ramsay Snow]]. Ramsay Snow. He castrates Theon, and in a later scene he [[ImAHumanitarian eats a suspiciously-looking piece of meat]] sausage that looks suspiciously like... well, you know,]] in front of a cringing Theon. He pretends to be shocked at the suggestion that Theon would think him a cannibalistic savage and confirms it's just pork sausage. He is obviously just messing with his prisoner's mind out of cruelty but it's very doubtful if he would really have such a standard.


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** In the first season, long before he began to get a redemption arc, (or if not redemption, at least deeper characterization to show he wasn't a simple villain) [[TheOathbreaker Jaime]] [[BodyguardBetrayal Lannister]] abruptly dropped the cynical snarkery he was engaging in with his hated enemy Ned Stark to sincerely tell Stark that his late father and brother were very brave when [[TheCaligula the Mad King]] essentially horrifically tortured them to death, and how he despised the Mad King for his actions.
--->It must be strange for you, coming into this room. I was standing right here when it happened. [[SympathyForTheHero He was very brave, your brother. Your father too]]. They didn't deserve to die [[KillItWithFire like that]]. ''Nobody'' deserves to die like that... and later, when I watched the Mad King die, I remembered him laughing as your father burned. [[PayEvilUntoEvil It felt like justice]].
14th Dec '16 10:50:16 AM FrankLinegar
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** In the first season the Sons hunt down a man who raped a 13 year old girl. Clay had his own anterior motives, but the test of the club were willing to do it as an act of Justice. Keep in mind the Sons are gun runners,thugs and outlaws.
* ''Series/TheSopranos'': Tony Soprano and his crew may be guilt of drug trafficking, theft, extortion, and murder, but they're enraged at finding out the soccer coach at Meadow's school was carrying on a relationship with one of his 15 year old soccer players, to the point of planning to have him killed.

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** In the first season the Sons hunt down a man who raped a 13 year old girl. Clay had his own anterior motives, but the test rest of the club were willing to do it as an act of Justice. Keep in mind the Sons are gun runners,thugs and outlaws.
* ''Series/TheSopranos'': Tony Soprano and his crew may be guilt of drug trafficking, theft, extortion, and murder, but they're enraged at finding out the soccer coach at Meadow's school was carrying on a sexual relationship with one of his 15 year old soccer players, to the point of planning to have him killed.
14th Dec '16 10:47:45 AM FrankLinegar
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** In the first season the Sons hunt down a man who raped a 13 year old girl. Clay had his own anterior motives, but the test of the club were willing to do it as an act of Justice. Keep in mind the Sons are gun runners,thugs and outlaws.
* ''Series/TheSopranos'': Tony Soprano and his crew may be guilt of drug trafficking, theft, extortion, and murder, but they're enraged at finding out the soccer coach at Meadow's school was carrying on a relationship with one of his 15 year old soccer players, to the point of planning to have him killed.
11th Nov '16 4:07:06 PM TheWanderer
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** Mike Ehrmantraut might be a cold-blooded killer, but [[PunchClockVillain it's just a job]] and he does try to avoid as much unnecessary death as possible - in season 5 when a character suggests that he hit ten people who could potentially talk to the police, he tells them outright that in the real world people don't just kill ten people like that. He was fairly disgusted when [[spoiler: Todd shot and killed a child]], and threatened him against the wall that he would never bring a gun on a heist ever again.
** Walter White insists to the end that he would never, ever hurt his family, though he starts having to do some pretty impressive mental gymnastics to keep justifying what he's doing in spite of this principle later on.
** Saul Goodman is an AmoralAttorney and proud of it, but even he's disturbed when he realizes [[spoiler: Walt poisoned and hospitalized a child during the season four finale. From then on, he only continues working for Walt out of fear.]]
** Jack Welker and his crew are a neo-Nazi gang who have even less qualms than Mike about killing, but they absolutely despise rats and Jack is pretty insulted when Walt suggests they lied to him in the finale. [[spoiler: This lead's to Jack's death, as his attempt to prove he has not partnered himself with Jesse in producing meth gives Walt the time to retrieve the trigger for the machine gun trap he has in his car boot parked outside the room they're in.]]
** When Walt [[spoiler: orders a hit on Jesse, Jack points out that he respects Walt for demanding that the kill be quick and painless, arguing that it is more civilized that way. ]]

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** Mike Ehrmantraut might be a cold-blooded killer, but [[PunchClockVillain it's just a job]] and he does try to avoid as much unnecessary death as possible - in season 5 when a character suggests that he hit ten people who could potentially talk to the police, he tells them outright that in the real world people don't just kill ten people like that. He was fairly disgusted when [[spoiler: Todd shot and killed a child]], and threatened ripped into him against the wall about it, finishing by saying that he would never bring a gun on a heist ever again.
** Walter White insists to the end that he would [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes never, ever hurt his family, family]], though he starts having to do [[NeverMyFault some pretty impressive mental gymnastics gymnastics]] to keep justifying what he's doing in spite of this principle later on.
** Saul Goodman is an AmoralAttorney and proud of it, but even he's disturbed when he realizes [[spoiler: Walt [[spoiler:Walt poisoned and hospitalized a child during the season four finale. From then on, he only continues working for Walt out of fear. The second Saul no longer has cause to fear Walt, he walks out on him.]]
** Jack Welker and his crew are a neo-Nazi gang who have even less qualms than Mike about killing, but they absolutely despise rats [[TheStoolPigeon rats]] and Jack is pretty a serious believer in IGaveMyWord. Suggesting that Jack would break his word or an agreement that he's made will result in him being insulted when Walt suggests they lied to him in the finale. [[spoiler: This lead's and genuinely furious. [[spoiler:This leads to Jack's death, as his attempt to prove he has not broken his agreement with Walt and partnered himself with Jesse in producing meth gives allows Walt the time needed to retrieve the trigger for the machine gun a trap he has in his car boot parked outside the room they're in.that wipes out Jack's entire gang.]]
** When Also, when Walt [[spoiler: orders [[spoiler:ordered a hit on Jesse, Jesse]], Jack points out said that he respects Walt for demanding that the kill be quick and painless, arguing that it is more civilized that way. ]]way.
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