History DracoInLeatherPants / MarvelUniverse

** ComicBook/EmmaFrost has spent 80% of appearances as a HeelFaceRevolvingDoor who even when working with the good guys is a textbook RichBitch who looks down her nose at most other people and mutants as a SmugSuper. Yet since she's a drop dead beautiful and sexy DressedLikeADominatrix blonde Emma constantly gets forgiven for her misdemeanours with some fans parroting Cyclops' excuses for Emma's bad behaviour "She doesn't mean it, it's fine". A lot of fans are happy to focus on Emma's nicer TookALevelInKindness moments seen in ''ComicBook/GenerationX'' and just ignore the dozens of other times she committed atrocities or aided the likes of Doom Doom and Green Goblin. Similar to Magneto, Emma's later bouts of villainy and douchery often excused away with retcons such as her QuestionableConsent MentalAffair with Scott being because of Cassandra Nova's influence. Hell you will also find other fans whom like Emma simply because she's more dangerously "exciting" and "interesting" compared to other goody two shoes X-Ladies like Jean or Storm.
** Characters/{{Mystique}} leaves Madelyne and Emma in the dust when it comes to this, she's by far the most popular female X-Men villain and one of the most popular Marvel villainesses in general. Her popularity is so great many fans tend to gloss over the fact in the comics she's crossed the MoralEventHorizon so many times she can't even be regarded as merely a DarkActionGirl, rather an abusive {{sadist}} who killed her son Graydon, chucked her other son Nightcrawler off a cliff, abuses and emotionally manipulates Rogue like clockwork (including slashing her throat and shooting her) and in ''X-Men: Worst X-Man Ever'' molests the underage protagonist Bailey. Yet thanks to adaptations toning down her actions along with Creator/JenniferLawrence playing her in a much less psychotic depiction, most mainstream readers and fans love her. Tellingly Marvel themselves would give Mystique a HeinousnessRetcon in ''X-Men Blue Origins #1'', having it so that she never meant to abandon Kurt, in contrast to the previous decades of comics where she didn't regret dropping him off a cliff at all.

** Characters/{{Mystique}} leaves Madelyne and Emma in the dust when it comes to this, she's by far the most popular female X-Men villain and one of the most popular Marvel villainesses in general. Her popularity is so great many fans tend to gloss over the fact in the comics she's crossed the MoralEventHorizon so many times she can't even be regarded as merely a DarkActionGirl, rather an abusive {{sadist}} who chucked her own baby off a cliff, abuses and emotionally manipulates Rogue like clockwork and in ''X-Men: Worst X-Man Ever'' molests the underage protagonist Bailey. Yet thanks to adaptations toning down her actions along with Creator/JenniferLawrence playing her in a much less psychotic depiction, most mainstream readers and fans love her. Tellingly Marvel themselves would give Mystique a HeinousnessRetcon in ''X-Men Blue Origins #1'', having it so that she never meant to abandon Kurt, in contrast to the previous decades of comics where she didn't regret dropping him off a cliff at all.

** ComicBook/EmmaFrost has spent 80% of appearances as a HeelFaceRevolvingDoor who even when working with the good guys is a textbook RichBitch who looks down her nose at most other people and mutants as a SmugSuper. Yet since she's a drop dead beautiful and sexy DressedLikeADominatrix blonde Emma constantly gets forgiven for her misdemeanours with some fans parroting Cyclops' excuses for Emma's bad behaviour "She doesn't mean it, it's fine". A lot of fans are happy to focus on Emma's nicer TookALevelInKindness moments seen in ''ComicBook/GenerationX'' and just ignore the dozens of other times she committed atrocities or aided the likes of Doom Doom and Green Goblin. Similar to Magneto, Emma's later bouts of villainy and douchery often excused away with retcons such as her QuestionableConsent MentalAffair with Scott being because of Cassandra Nova's influence. Hell you will also find other fans whom like Emma simply because she's more dangerously "exciting" and "interesting" compared to other goody two shoes X-Ladies like Jean or Storm.

* ''ComicBook/IronMan'': Ironically, ever since ''ComicBook/CivilWar2006'' and ''ComicBook/HouseOfM'', Tony Stark's popularity has '''exploded''' among the fangirls. Granted, this may have something to do with the release of TheMovie, but the seemingly insane fannishness predates even that... but not by much, since while he was always popular ''before'' ''Civil War'', he was a relatively obscure figure compared to the household names of the ComicBook/XMen and ComicBook/SpiderMan, [[AllGirlsWantBadBoys so, yeah.]] What makes Tony's ascension so amusing is how he was crafted ''from the very start'' to have this effect on readers, being an ArmsDealer sold to readers during the arms dealer-hating UsefulNotes/TheSixties as a hero.

*** If you want a clue how much a MisaimedFandom Magneto has at times just look at how many fans take his side against his comparatively less popular children Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver in ''ComicBook/HouseOfM''. Whereas their actions in the comic are cases of NeverLiveItDown, Magneto’s violent anger towards them is considered justified by some fans, even though if anything he’s the one responsible for Wanda’s instability for how cruelly he raised her and overall one of his most appalling and unforgivable traits is being a historically shit dad to Wanda and Pietro for no good reason.

** Characters/{{Mystique}} leaves Madelyne in the dust when it comes to this, she’s by far the most popular female X-Men villain and one of the most popular Marvel villainesses in general. However unlike the aforementioned Maddie, Emma Frost below or other female villains from the rival company such as Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy, who all have sympathetic traits to balance out their villainy, Mystique generally doesn’t — being a gleeful constantly back stabbing petty sadist who gets top billing in the “worst fictional mothers of all time” lists for her treatment of her children Nightcrawler and Rogue. Yet since she’s a cool, charismatic and curvaceous blue-skinned shapeshifting FemmeFatale for her most of her appearances, Mystique generally gets forgiven by the masses and often seen as a badass DarkActionGirl and nothing worse. Like Sabretooth, her popularity is great enough she’s been made temporarily yet genuinely good in ''ComicBook/{{Axis}}''. Even in more recent comics where’s gotten Destiny back in her life, you find plenty of articles lauding Mystique as a great X-Men and standout LGBT exemplar with her various atrocities and abuse being continently forgotten or at least HandWaved as a result of her fractured mental state. Telling ''ComicBook/Inferno2021'' promotes Mystique to the LesserOfTwoEvils compared to the JumpedOffTheSlipperySlope Moria (who was never winning a popular contest against Raven) with some fans even calling Moria a worse mother given her actions towards Proteus, despite Mystique‘s awful track record obviously being far greater.
*** Like Magneto, the ''Film/XMenFilmSeries'' also plays a big role in benefiting Mystique, the Creator/RebeccaRomijn version is both EvilIsCool and [[TheseTropesAreEvilAndSexy Evil Is Sexy]] but also omitted her MoralEventHorizon moments from the comics especially thanks to neither Nightcrawler or Rogue being related to her, making her an EnsembleDarkHorse rather the HateSink she would definitely be if her comic misdeeds were put to screen exactly. Then Creator/JenniferLawrence was cast as her, making the character’s popularity grow further but at the cost of accuracy as her villain status was [[ExecutiveMeddling overridden]] and she [[AdaptationalHeroism became]] blue shapeshifter Katniss instead.

** ComicBook/{{Venom}}. The alien symbiotes' "costumes" are emotionally striking in ''very'' different ways to different people and it's not fully certain whether they are Draco In Leather Pants, in which the characters' brutal acts are handwaved or rationalized, or EvilIsSexy. Venom's (Eddie Brock's) NeverHurtAnInnocent [[HeroicVow vow]] helps with the leather pants-ing. Though that still ignores that Brock HAS killed innocent people if they were in his way.

** Also, Moonstone. Even though she's a therapist who used to make her patients off themselves for fun and stole her superpowers from another patient, a lot of fans like her ManipulativeBastard nature, and because, well, they find [[MsFanservice her]] [[EvilIsSexy damn sexy]]. These fans tend to brush off or otherwise ignore that, unlike other characters who are all but endorsed as Leather Pants wearers by the writers themselves, Moonstone is consistently portrayed as a SmugSnake who [[BigBadWannabe greatly overestimates her own competence]] and becomes a one-trick pony with no cards to play when her usual ManipulativeBastard gambits fail.

** ComicBook/NormanOsborn has his fair share of, hum, "enthusiastic" fans; raging from fans trying to excuse his crimes and despicable attitude by over-emphasizing his [[FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse tragic backstory]], blaming the accident for the damage it did to his brain, or the kinky fans who fantasize about him and his random rendevouz (see "Sins Past", or how he seems to have gotten a little more... active with the ladies ever since he returned from the dead). In parts to blame could also be his live-action portrayals in ''Film/SpiderMan1'' and ''Film/SpiderManNoWayHome'', which heavingly lean into the SplitPersonality aspect of the character, depicting "the Goblin" as Norman's SuperpoweredEvilSide, while Norman's more villainous aspects as a CorruptCorporateExecutive and an [[AbusiveParents abusive father to Harry]] are [[AdaptationalNiceGuy heavingly downplayed in the adaptation]], more fitting the view some comic fans have of him.

** Madelyne Pryor, the clone of Jean Grey, gets this as well. Part of it may be thanks to her initial portrayal as a [[BadassNormal strong-willed]], [[ActionGirl capable woman]], with an entire story arc set to establish that she was in fact ''not'' the reincarnation of the person she looked like ([[Creator/ChrisClaremont author's]] original intent notwithstanding). Part of it is '''definitely''' due to the [[MoralEventHorizon abandonment by her husband]] [[ExecutiveMeddling to lead another superhero team with said lookalike on it.]] Either way, people like to focus on the WomanScorned aspect of her characterization and not look at the part where a DrunkOnTheDarkSide Maddie threatened the life of half a dozen innocent children...[[OffingTheOffspring Including her own]].
** Without a doubt, though, the ''archetypal'' X-Men Draco is Magneto, largely thanks to Creator/ChrisClaremont transforming him from standard ranting AxCrazy SuperVillain into a [[TheExtremistWasRight sane]], [[AffablyEvil polite]], eloquent and [[WickedCultured cultured]] WellIntentionedExtremist, as well as a [[FreudianExcuse Holocaust survivor]] determined to prevent mutants from suffering the same fate as the Jews, who regretted having to fight the X-Men and even joined them for a while. He was also rendered ProgressivelyPrettier, with a deaging incident or two, that turned him from [[EvilMakesYouUgly typically villainously ugly]] to a SilverFox (he even has a six-pack), even ultimately getting a white-haired attractive pretty-boy clone (believed for a time to be a deaged and innocently amnesiac Magneto) called Joseph who ended up hooking up with Rogue. As a result, Claremont's characterisation became the predominant one for Magneto, with more classically villainous moments being [[{{Retcon}} retconned]] as his powers driving him insane, outside influence, etcetera. He even joined the X-Men following ''ComicBook/HouseOfM''.

*** Even the more typically villainous incarnation in ''Film/XMenFilmSeries'', usually on the Heel side of the HeelFaceRevolvingDoor, is played as a sympathetic and cool TragicVillain by deeply charismatic CoolOldGuy Creator/IanMcKellen, and in the new timeline, by the similarly charismatic, [[AllGirlsWantBadBoys and handsome]], Creator/MichaelFassbender. This, plus the emphasis put on his backstory, and a hefty dose of EvilIsCool, means that he has a ''lot'' of fans.

* ''ComicBook/IronMan'': Ironically, ever since ''ComicBook/CivilWar2006'' and ''ComicBook/HouseOfM'', Tony Stark's popularity has '''exploded''' among the fangirls. Granted, this may have something to do with the release of TheMovie, but the seemingly insane fannishness predates even that... but not by much, since while he was always popular ''before'' ''Civil War'', he was a relatively obscure figure compared to the household names of the ComicBook/XMen and Franchise/SpiderMan, [[AllGirlsWantBadBoys so, yeah.]] What makes Tony's ascension so amusing is how he was crafted ''from the very start'' to have this effect on readers, being an ArmsDealer sold to readers during the arms dealer-hating UsefulNotes/TheSixties as a hero.

** Comicbook/{{Venom}}. The alien symbiotes' "costumes" are emotionally striking in ''very'' different ways to different people and it's not fully certain whether they are Draco In Leather Pants, in which the characters' brutal acts are handwaved or rationalized, or EvilIsSexy. Venom's (Eddie Brock's) NeverHurtAnInnocent [[HeroicVow vow]] helps with the leather pants-ing. Though that still ignores that Brock HAS killed innocent people if they were in his way.

** Comicbook/NormanOsborn has his fair share of, hum, "enthusiastic" fans; raging from fans trying to excuse his crimes and despicable attitude by over-emphasizing his [[FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse tragic backstory]], blaming the accident for the damage it did to his brain, or the kinky fans who fantasize about him and his random rendevouz (see "Sins Past", or how he seems to have gotten a little more... active with the ladies ever since he returned from the dead). In parts to blame could also be his live-action portrayals in ''Film/SpiderMan1'' and ''Film/SpiderManNoWayHome'', which heavingly lean into the SplitPersonality aspect of the character, depicting "the Goblin" as Norman's SuperpoweredEvilSide, while Norman's more villainous aspects as a CorruptCorporateExecutive and an [[AbusiveParents abusive father to Harry]] are [[AdaptationalNiceGuy heavingly downplayed in the adaptation]], more fitting the view some comic fans have of him.

** ComicBook/DarkReign gave Bullseye and Mac Gargan (Venom III) fangirls, thanks to the HoYay they had with Daken (you can read more on him below). For that matter, the Comicbook/DarkAvengers as a whole got this treatment from fans and Dark Avengers was a popular book. Hell, some fans say ComicBook/NormanOsborn did a better job as "top cop" than ComicBook/IronMan.

* ''Franchise/XMen'':

* ComicBook/DoctorDoom has received treatment of this nature from the fans. He is a complex EvilOverlord with a strong (if warped) sense of nobility and a tendency towards frequent badass [[SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome Awesome Moments]], but he is still a villain. For example; the image of 'Doom as benevolent dictator' partially stems from a one-off book, ''Emperor Doom'', in which Doom manages to conquer the Earth and begins to make numerous improvements in how things are run; this book is often used to reinforce the impression that Doom would be a great and benevolent leader if he managed to take over. However, he manages this largely by brainwashing the entire planet into accepting his rule (goodbye, freedom of thought and dissent); and he ultimately gives it up and lets the heroes defeat him because he gets bored, suggesting that he's ultimately not as interested in 'making the world a better place for all' as many would like to think. And yet some create an exaggerated ideal of how noble and ''benevolent'' . His vanity, insecurity, egomania, and brutality tend to be underplayed or ignored and writers who attempt to stress Doom's less-attractive qualities can be rejected vitriolically. Doom so embodies this characteristic that people actually brush off his actions in ''Avengers: The Children's Crusade'' where he [[spoiler: kills the teenage Cassie Lang and takes the credit for Avengers Disassembled and House of M]] or the story ''Unthinkable'' where he [[spoiler: murders his ex-love for demonic power and again attacks the Richards family, including possessing Valeria and casting little Franklin Richards bodily into ''hell'' - just to hurt the patriarch.]]

* ComicBook/DoctorDoom has received treatment of this nature from the fans. He is a complex EvilOverlord with a strong (if warped) sense of nobility and a tendency towards frequent badass [[SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome Awesome Moments]], but he is still a villain. For example; the image of 'Doom as benevolent dictator' partially stems from a one-off book, ''Emperor Doom'', in which Doom manages to conquer the Earth and begins to make numerous improvements in how things are run; this book is often used to reinforce the impression that Doom would be a great and benevolent leader if he managed to take over. However, he manages this largely by brainwashing the entire planet into accepting his rule (goodbye, freedom of thought and dissent); and he ultimately gives it up and lets the heroes defeat him because he gets bored, suggesting that he's ultimately not as interested in 'making the world a better place for all' as many would like to think. And yet some create an exaggerated ideal of how noble and ''benevolent'' . His vanity, insecurity, egomania, and brutality tend to be underplayed or ignored and writers who attempt to stress Doom's less-attractive qualities can be rejected vitriolically. Doom so embodies this characteristic that people actually brush off his actions in ''Avengers: The Children's Crusade'' where he [[spoiler: kills the teenage Cassie Lang and takes the credit for Avengers Disassembled and House of M]] or the story ''Unthinkable'' where he [[spoiler: murders his ex-love for demonic power and again attacks the Richards family, including possessing Valeria - just to hurt the patriarch.]]

** Peter's MeanBoss at ''The Daily Bugle'' J. Jonah Jameson is an odd case. Fans usually side with Spidey whenever he acts like an UngratefulBastard and unfairly makes accusations against the hero. (Usually.) However, if there is even a hint that Jonah has been kidnapped, hurt, conned, or - God forbid - killed, fans never fail to send in mail showing support, concern, or outrage, whichever is appropriate. (It seems that Jonah is a thorn in the hero's side that fans just ''don't'' want to see go away.) Jolly Jonah has a few things going for him, namely that he's often a great source of comedy (ranging from suffering LaserGuidedKarma to being TheScrooge) and that he's used the ''Bugle'' to crusade for everything from honest governance (by exposing the corruption of governments and organized crime figures) to the rights of marginalized populations (both real-world ones like gay and Black people, as well fictional ones like [[ComicBook/XMen mutants]]) and a HiddenHeartOfGold, which all make him a lot more likable and nuanced.

** Peter's MeanBoss at ''The Daily Bugle'' J. Jonah Jameson is an odd case. Fans usually side with Spidey whenever he acts like an UngratefulBastard and unfairly makes accusations against the hero. (Usually.) However, if there is even a hint that Jonah has been kidnapped, hurt, conned, or - God forbid - killed, fans never fail to send in mail showing support, concern, or outrage, whichever is appropriate. (It seems that Jonah is a thorn in the hero's side that fans just ''don't'' want to see go away.)

** Madelyne Pryor, the [[CloningBlues clone of Jean Grey]], gets this as well. Part of it may be thanks to her initial portrayal as a [[BadassNormal strong-willed]], [[ActionGirl capable woman]], with an entire story arc set to establish that she was in fact ''not'' the reincarnation of the person she looked like ([[Creator/ChrisClaremont author's]] original intent notwithstanding). Part of it is '''definitely''' due to the [[MoralEventHorizon abandonment by her husband]] [[ExecutiveMeddling to lead another superhero team with said lookalike on it.]] Either way, people like to focus on the WomanScorned aspect of her characterization and not look at the part where a DrunkOnTheDarkSide Maddie threatened the life of half a dozen innocent children...[[OffingTheOffspring Including her own]].

* ''ComicBook/ThePunisher'': Frank Castle is an extreme {{Vigilante}} AntiHero at best and a VillainProtagonist at worst, brutally murdering criminals without any remorts or giving them a chance to face consequences by the law. He often clashes with other superheroes like ComicBook/SpiderMan and ComicBook/{{Daredevil}} over not believing in the system. However, the Punisher appeals to some fans as killing bad guys and "doing what has to be done" what other superheroes won't dare to do. He even has fans in real-life police and military thanks to being a high-decorated war veteran, ignoring that his action after the war are highly criminal and immoral as he's mostly [[VigilanteMan playing Judge, Jury and Executioner in one person]]. His creator Creator/GerryConway even expresses shock of Frank appealing to real-life cops as he [[MisaimedFandom never was intended to be a hero or a symbol for justice]].

** Comicbook/NormanOsborn has his fair share of, hum, "enthusiastic" fans; raging from fans trying to excuse his crimes and despicable attitude by over-emphasizing his [[FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse tragic backstory]], blaming the accident for the damage it did to his brain, or the kinky fans who fantasize about him and his random rendevouz (see "Sins Past", or how he seems to have gotten a little more... active with the ladies ever since he returned from the dead). In parts to blame could also be his live-action portrayals in ''Film/SpiderMan'' and ''Film/SpiderManNoWayHome'', which heavingly lean into the SplitPersonality aspect of the character, depicting "the Goblin" as Norman's SuperpoweredEvilSide, while Norman's more villainous aspects as a CorruptCorporateExecutive and an [[AbusiveParents abusive father to Harry]] are [[AdaptationalNiceGuy heavingly downplayed in the adaptation]], more fitting the view some comic fans have of him.

* ''ComicBook/IronMan'': Ironically, ever since ''Comicbook/CivilWar'' and ''ComicBook/HouseOfM'', Tony Stark's popularity has '''exploded''' among the fangirls. Granted, this may have something to do with the release of TheMovie, but the seemingly insane fannishness predates even that...but not by much, since while he was always popular ''before'' Civil War, he was a relatively obscure figure compared to the household names of the ComicBook/XMen and Franchise/SpiderMan, [[AllGirlsWantBadBoys so, yeah.]] What makes Tony's ascension so amusing is how he was crafted ''from the very start'' to have this effect on readers, being an ArmsDealer sold to readers during the arms dealer-hating UsefulNotes/TheSixties as a hero.

** Wolverine's ArchEnemy, ComicBook/{{Sabretooth}}, is an even more storied and flagrant Leather Pants recipient, despite being one of the most singularly deserving characters of the Complete Monster label. From [[WouldHitAGirl brutally murdering Wolverine's girlfriends]] to [[ManipulativeBastard playing on the above Daken's daddy issues]] to pit him against Wolverine and get him killed, to ''[[EatsBabies literally eating babies]]'', if there's a horrible act you can imagine there's a good chance Sabretooth has committed it. And yet, in spite of this truly heinous history, the character has been the recipient of ''multiple'' attempts to reform him, first as a VillainProtagonist who happened to be ALighterShadeOfGrey and then making him good outright via AWizardDidIt during the ''ComicBook/{{Axis}}'' storyline. Sabes has since reverted to his usual abhorrent personality, but given the above attempts and others it's a safe bet that it's a matter of time before the bullpen tries foisting a Leather Pantsed Sabretooth on readers again.

* ''ComicBook/ThePunisher'': Frank Castle is an extreme {{Vigilante}} AntiHero at best and a VillainProtagonist at worst, brutally murdering criminals without any remorts or giving them a chance to face consequences by the law. He often clashes with other superheroes like ComicBook/SpiderMan and ComicBook/{{Daredevil}} over not believing in the system. However, the Punisher appeals to some fans as killing bad guys and "doing what has to be done" what other superheroes won't dare to do. He even has fans in real-life police and military thanks to being a high-decorated war veteran, ignoring that his action after the war are highly criminal and immoral as he's mostly playing JudgeJuryAndExecutioner in one person. His creator Creator/GerryConway even expresses shock of Frank appealing to real-life cops as he never was intended to be a hero or a symbol for justice.

* ''ComicBook/ThePunisher'': Frank Castle is an extreme {{Vigilante}} AntiHero at best and a VillainProtagonist at worst, brutally murdering criminals without any remorts or giving them a chance to face consequences by the law. He often clashes with other superheroes like ComicBook/SpiderMan and ComicBook/{{Daredevil}} over not believing in the system. However, the Punisher appeals to some fans as killing bad guys and "doing what has to be done" what other superheroes won't dare to do. He even has fans in real-life police and military thanks to being a high-decorated war veteran, ignoring that his action after the war are highly criminal and immoral. His creator Creator/GerryConway even expresses shock of Frank appealing to real-life cops as he never was intended to be a hero or a symbol for justice.

** Comicbook/NormanOsborn has his fair share of, hum, "enthusiastic" fans; raging from fans trying to excuse his crimes and despicable attitude by over-emphasizing his [[FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse tragic backstory]], blaming the accident for the damage it did to his brain, or the kinky fans who fantasize about him and his random rendevouz (see "Sins Past", or how he seems to have gotten a little more... active with the ladies ever since he returned from the dead). In parts to blame could also be his live-action portrayals in ''Film/SpiderMan2002'' and ''Film/SpiderManNoWayHome'' which heavingly leaning into the SplitPersonality aspect of the character, depicting "the Goblin" as a SuperpoweredEvilSide, while Norman's more villainous aspects as a CorruptCorporateExecutive and an [[AbusiveParents abusive father to Harry]] are [[AdaptationalNiceGuy heavingly downplayed in the adaptation]], more fitting the view some comic fans have of him.

** Comicbook/NormanOsborn has his fair share of, hum, "enthusiastic" fans; raging from fans trying to excuse his crimes and despicable attitude by over-emphasizing his [[FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse tragic backstory]], blaming the accident for the damage it did to his brain, or the kinky fans who fantasize about him and his random rendevouz (see "Sins Past", or how he seems to have gotten a little more... active with the ladies ever since he returned from the dead).

* ''ComicBook/ThePunisher''; Frank Castle is an extreme {{Vigilante}} AntiHero at best and a VillainProtagonist at worst, brutally murdering criminals without any remorts or giving them a chance to face consequences by the law. He often clashes with other superheroes like ComicBook/SpiderMan and ComicBook/{{Daredevil}} over not believing in the system. However, the Punisher appeals to some fans as killing bad guys and "doing what has to be done" what other superheroes won't dare to do. He even has fans in real-life police and military thanks to being a high-decorated war veteran, ignoring that his action after the war are highly criminal and immoral. His creator Creator/GerryConway even expresses shock of Frank appealing to real-life cops as he never was intended to be a hero or a symbol for justice.

* ''ComicBook/{{Spiderman}}'':

** Comicbook/NormanOsborn has his fair share of, hum, "enthusiastic" fans; raging from fans trying to excuse his crimes and despicable attitude by over-emphasizing his [[FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse tragic backstory]], blaming the accident for the damage it did to his brain, or the kinky fans who fantasize about him and his random rendevouz (see "Sins Past", or how he seems to have gotten a little more...active with the ladies ever since he returned from the dead).

** Comicbook/NormanOsborn has his fair share of, hum, "enthusiastic" fans; raging from writers trying to excuse his crimes and despicable attitude by giving him a tragic backstory, or the kinky fans who fantasize about him and his random rendevouz (see "Sins Past", or how he seems to have gotten a little more...active with the ladies ever since he returned from the dead).