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25th Apr '16 7:29:11 PM Tianzi
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** As it turns out, there is also a small portion of the fandom that has decided, against all evidence, that Cersei Lannister is a tragic heroine trapped in abusive relationships with Jaime (in which ''she'' is the abuser) and Robert (even though she's just as much if not more of an abuser than Robert, basically sexually exploiting her weak-willed cousin Lancel because he looks like Jaime, her love with Jaime is implied to stem from narcissism). While it's true that her life hasn't always been a bed of roses, this doesn't even come ''close'' to absolving Cersei of guilt for the monstrous crimes she herself has committed. Her love for her children seems possessive, to the point she allows [[RoyalBrat Joffrey]] to satisfy his cruelty without being disciplined, meaning he ends up as one of the most monstrous and incompetent Kings to ever sit the Iron Throne.
** [[AllGirlsWantBadBoys Sandor "The Hound" Clegane]] gets this from time to time himself. Granted, he does go through considerable CharacterDevelopment, along with a FreudianExcuse and later characterization as an AntiVillain [[spoiler:with shades of TheAtoner, even. However, despite his protective attitude towards [[MoralityPet both of the Stark girls]], he's still a violent {{Jerkass}} up until the end]].
** Tywin Lannister has a fair amount of fans, who admire his talent for scheming and take as WordOfGod his brother's assessment that while a harsh man, he was no harsher than necessary, and [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans acted for the good of the family/realm]]. However, regardless of any positive outcomes of his actions, Tywin is shown to be totally unempathetic and treats everyone as pawns in his current scheme. He may have been upset about his beloved wife Joanna dying in childbirth, but that doesn't justify his horrible treatment of Tyrion, refusing to name them heir to Casterly Rock, treating them as an embarrassment to the family for being a dwarf, and leaving Tyrion permanently damaged with his cruel treatment. Moreover, the circumstances of [[spoiler: Tywin's death at Tyrion's hand]] basically imply that he was just a hypocrite, and that Tywin's adoring brother [[NobleTopEnforcer Kevan]] was deluded by love for his brother into seeing good that wasn't there. In fairness, Kevan and Genna knew what Tywin was, they just loved him for being their brother.

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** As it turns out, there is also a small portion of the fandom that has decided, against all evidence, that Cersei Lannister is a tragic heroine trapped in abusive relationships with Jaime (in which ''she'' is the abuser) and Robert (even (more true, though she's just as much if not more of an abuser than Robert, the abuse still is two-way, and Robert also feels trapped), ignoring her episodes like basically sexually exploiting her weak-willed cousin Lancel because he looks like Jaime, Jaime; additionally her love with Jaime is implied to stem from narcissism).narcissism. While it's true that her life hasn't always been a bed of roses, this doesn't even come ''close'' to absolving Cersei of guilt for the monstrous crimes she herself has committed. Her love for her children seems possessive, to the point she allows [[RoyalBrat Joffrey]] to satisfy his cruelty without being disciplined, meaning he ends up as one of the most monstrous and incompetent Kings to ever sit the Iron Throne.
** [[AllGirlsWantBadBoys Sandor "The Hound" Clegane]] gets this from time to time himself. Granted, he does go through considerable CharacterDevelopment, along with a FreudianExcuse and later characterization as an AntiVillain [[spoiler:with shades of TheAtoner, even. However, despite his protective attitude towards [[MoralityPet both of the Stark girls]], he's still a violent {{Jerkass}} up until the end]]. It's still relatively easy to find the fangirls romanticizing the scene when he [[NearRapeExperience was contemplating forcing himself on Sansa]], and that pesky incident of him killing a child tends to go ignored.
** Tywin Lannister has a fair amount of fans, who admire his talent for scheming and take as WordOfGod his brother's assessment that while a harsh man, he was no harsher than necessary, and [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans acted for the good of the family/realm]]. However, regardless The "no harsher than necessary" goes out the window when we learn he once ''ordered a gang-rape of 14-year-old girl to punish his son''. Regardless of any positive outcomes of his actions, Tywin is shown to be totally unempathetic and treats everyone as pawns in his current scheme. He may have been upset about his beloved wife Joanna dying in childbirth, but that doesn't justify his horrible treatment of Tyrion, refusing to name them heir to Casterly Rock, treating them as an embarrassment to the family for being a dwarf, and leaving Tyrion permanently damaged with his cruel treatment. Moreover, the circumstances of [[spoiler: Tywin's death at Tyrion's hand]] basically imply that he was just a hypocrite, and that Tywin's adoring brother [[NobleTopEnforcer Kevan]] was deluded by love for his brother into seeing good that wasn't there. In fairness, Kevan and Genna knew what Tywin was, they just loved him for being their brother.
10th Apr '16 10:38:09 AM MrThorfan64
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** An Elf from another branch of the House of Finwe, Maeglin, can also get this, though not as much. Despite the fact he desires his [[KissingCousins cousin]] (and its implied he intends to rape her considering these feelings aren't returned and first cousin marriages are illegal among Elves), tries to murder her 7-year old son, and betrays Gondolin to Morgoth, leading to the death of his uncle Turgon and many of his people. He does grow up in a secluded way and his father kills his mother while trying to kill him, but Maeglin is still one of the most villainous Elves.

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** An Elf from another branch of the House of Finwe, Maeglin, can also get this, though not as much. Despite the fact he desires his [[KissingCousins cousin]] (and its implied he intends to rape her considering these feelings aren't returned and first cousin marriages are illegal among Elves), tries to murder her 7-year old son, and betrays Gondolin to Morgoth, [[GodOfEvil Morgoth]], leading to the death of his uncle Turgon and many of his people. He does grow up in a secluded way and his father kills his mother while trying to kill him, but Maeglin is still one of the most villainous Elves.Elves, and unlike the House of Feanor actually joins Morgoth.
10th Mar '16 4:40:11 PM InvisibleJester89
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** Another CthulhuMythos creature that gets this treatment in some sects of the fandom - [[MagnificentBastard Nyarlathotep]]. Yes, [[EldritchAbomination that one]], [[BlueAndOrangeMorality the one that messes with humans]] [[ItAmusedMe because he's bored]]. It doesn't help that Lovecraft himself basically described him as being "Slender, swarthy, and sinister" in one story, or that he appears as a rather attractive-looking Pharaoh in ''Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath''.

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** Another CthulhuMythos creature that gets this treatment in some sects of the fandom - [[MagnificentBastard Nyarlathotep]]. Yes, [[EldritchAbomination that one]], [[BlueAndOrangeMorality the one that messes with humans]] [[ItAmusedMe because he's bored]]. It doesn't help that Lovecraft himself basically described him as being "Slender, swarthy, "[[TallDarkAndHandsome Slender, swarthy]][[EvilIsSexy , and sinister" sinister]]" in one story, or that he appears as a rather attractive-looking Pharaoh in ''Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath''.
10th Mar '16 4:39:02 PM InvisibleJester89
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** Another CthulhuMythos creature that gets this treatment in some sects of the fandom - [[MagnificentBastard Nyarlathotep]]. Yes, [[EldritchAbomination that one]], [[BlueAndOrangeMorality the one that messes with humans]] [[ItAmusedMe because he's bored]]. It doesn't help that Lovecraft himself basically described him as being "Slender, swarthy, and sinister" in one story, or that he appears as a rather attractive-looking Pharaoh in ''Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath''.
1st Feb '16 2:47:11 AM GrammarNavi
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* Joren from TamoraPierce's ''Literature/ProtectorOfTheSmall'' quartet got this for a while - in {{canon}}, he's radiantly beautiful to the point of being a PrettyBoy but also [[PoliticallyIncorrectVillain petty, bullying, sadistic and homophobic]]. He exists to bully the heroine, stage a few hazings, half-assedly attempt to befriend her and die in a closet. He's received the Draco Malfoy treatment in fanfiction quite a bit, when he's written about at all. Despite how this would probably disturb the author resoundingly, he's usually paired off with the heroine.

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* Joren from TamoraPierce's Creator/TamoraPierce's ''Literature/ProtectorOfTheSmall'' quartet got this for a while - in {{canon}}, he's radiantly beautiful to the point of being a PrettyBoy but also [[PoliticallyIncorrectVillain petty, bullying, sadistic and homophobic]]. He exists to bully the heroine, stage a few hazings, half-assedly attempt to befriend her and die in a closet. He's received the Draco Malfoy treatment in fanfiction quite a bit, when he's written about at all. Despite how this would probably disturb the author resoundingly, he's usually paired off with the heroine.
29th Jan '16 5:51:59 AM MrThorfan64
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** Some people, including [[Series/GameOfThrones D&D]] are convinced Renly Baratheon would have made a [[TheGoodKing great King]] and it was a tragedy he died. Renly certainly plays up that image in public, but in private shows himself to be vain and sleazy, never showing any ruling skills outside of [[VillainWithGoodPublicity good PR]]. The idea he'd be good to the smallfolk is challenged by the fact he is starving King's Landing into submission. His kindness in appointing Brienne is really because he sees her useful, behind her back he mocks her for her unattractiveness. As for being TheCharmer and the idea that many of the lords are supporting him because they think he'd make a good King, Mace Tyrell only seems to support Renly as it will his daughter Margaery Tyrell Queen and [[spoiler:once Renly dies much of his support goes away to his brother Stannis.]] Also, despite people giving Stannis criticism for [[spoiler:killing Renly, it is quite clear Renly intends to kill his older brother due to their claim being superior and shows no remorse over it, while Stannis is clearly upset over Renly's death and it is implied he isn't consciously aware of his role in Renly's death.]]

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** Some people, including [[Series/GameOfThrones D&D]] are convinced Renly Baratheon would have made a [[TheGoodKing great King]] due to his friendly, amiable nature and it [[spoiler:it was a tragedy he died. died.]] Renly certainly plays up that image in public, but in private shows himself to be vain and sleazy, never showing any ruling skills outside of [[VillainWithGoodPublicity good PR]].PR]], basically being just a YesMan on the Small Council of Robert Baratheon, and spending months just enjoying himself with tourneys and parties while the Seven Kingdoms are being torn apart in war. The idea he'd be good to the smallfolk is challenged by the fact he is starving King's Landing into submission. His kindness in appointing Brienne is really because he sees her useful, behind her back he mocks her for her unattractiveness. As for being TheCharmer and the idea that many of the lords are supporting him because they think he'd make a good King, Mace Tyrell only seems to support Renly as it will make his daughter Margaery Tyrell Queen and [[spoiler:once Renly Queen, as shown by the fact that when [[spoiler:Renly dies much of his the Tyrells support goes away to his brother Stannis.the monstrous Joffrey so Margaery can be Queen.]] Also, despite people giving Stannis criticism for [[spoiler:killing Renly, it is quite clear Renly intends to kill his the older brother who protected him when he was a child from the Tyrells, due to their Stannis' claim being superior superior, and shows no remorse over it, this, while Stannis is clearly upset over Renly's death and it is implied he isn't consciously aware of his role in Renly's death.this.]]



** Most surprisingly, Celegorm and Curufin have quite a few fangirls despite, unlike their father and brothers, having no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

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** Most surprisingly, Celegorm and Curufin have quite a few fangirls despite, unlike their father and brothers, having no redeeming qualities whatsoever.whatsoever, trying to get their cousin Finrod killed in a UriahGambit, and attempting to force Luthien into marriage.



** An Elf from another branch of the House of Finwe, Maeglin, can also get this, though not as much. Despite the fact he desires his [[KissingCousins cousin]], tries to murder her 7-year old son, and betrays Gondolin to Morgoth. He does grow up in a secluded way and his father kills his mother while trying to kill him, but Maeglin is still one of the most villainous Elves.

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** An Elf from another branch of the House of Finwe, Maeglin, can also get this, though not as much. Despite the fact he desires his [[KissingCousins cousin]], cousin]] (and its implied he intends to rape her considering these feelings aren't returned and first cousin marriages are illegal among Elves), tries to murder her 7-year old son, and betrays Gondolin to Morgoth.Morgoth, leading to the death of his uncle Turgon and many of his people. He does grow up in a secluded way and his father kills his mother while trying to kill him, but Maeglin is still one of the most villainous Elves.
29th Jan '16 5:42:29 AM MrThorfan64
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* Petyr 'Littlefinger' Baelish in ''ASongOfIceAndFire''. Charming, handsome, witty, always cheerful and a ManipulativeBastard with ChronicBackstabbingDisorder to boot. His ultimate goals are rather unclear, as is just how much of the anarchy and war that dominates the books has been orchestrated by him, but he has taken credit for the majority of it and its implied to be little more than DespotismJustifiesTheMeans. Whilst the character is definitely subject to AlternativeCharacterInterpretation and has many hidden depths to his personality, corners of the fandom treat him like a divine savior whose goals are all working to the benefit of the small folk, the people the wars have screwed over the most. Not to mention, they also "forget" how he [[ForcefulKiss forces unwanted kisses]] on [[spoiler: his teenage niece-by-marriage]] Sansa Stark, his disciple and possible candidate for Queen, how he personally murdered [[spoiler:his wife, Lysa Arryn]] and was responsible for the deaths of [[spoiler:Jon Arryn and Ned Stark]] and how he forced an 11-year-old girl [[spoiler:Sansa's friend, Jeyne Poole]] into prostitution.
** As it turns out, there is also a small portion of the fandom that has decided, against all evidence, that Cersei Lannister is a tragic heroine trapped in abusive relationships with Jaime (in which ''she'' is the abuser) and Robert (even though she's juat as much if not more of an abuser than Robert). While it's true that her life hasn't always been a bed of roses, this doesn't even come ''close'' to absolving Cersei of guilt for the monstrous crimes she herself has committed.

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* Petyr 'Littlefinger' Baelish in ''ASongOfIceAndFire''. Charming, handsome, witty, always cheerful and a ManipulativeBastard with ChronicBackstabbingDisorder to boot. His ultimate goals are rather unclear, as is just how much of the anarchy and war that dominates the books has been orchestrated by him, but he has taken credit for the majority of it and its implied to be little more than DespotismJustifiesTheMeans. Whilst the character is definitely subject to AlternativeCharacterInterpretation and has many hidden depths to his personality, corners of the fandom treat him like a divine savior whose goals are all working to the benefit of the small folk, the people the wars have screwed over the most. Not to mention, they also "forget" how he [[ForcefulKiss forces unwanted kisses]] on [[spoiler: his teenage niece-by-marriage]] Sansa Stark, his disciple and possible candidate for Queen, how he personally murdered [[spoiler:his wife, Lysa Arryn]] and was responsible for the deaths of [[spoiler:Jon Arryn and Sansa's father Ned Stark]] and how he forced an 11-year-old girl [[spoiler:Sansa's friend, Jeyne Poole]] into prostitution.
prostitution, then sold Jeyne into marriage to a {{Sadist}}.
** As it turns out, there is also a small portion of the fandom that has decided, against all evidence, that Cersei Lannister is a tragic heroine trapped in abusive relationships with Jaime (in which ''she'' is the abuser) and Robert (even though she's juat just as much if not more of an abuser than Robert).Robert, basically sexually exploiting her weak-willed cousin Lancel because he looks like Jaime, her love with Jaime is implied to stem from narcissism). While it's true that her life hasn't always been a bed of roses, this doesn't even come ''close'' to absolving Cersei of guilt for the monstrous crimes she herself has committed. Her love for her children seems possessive, to the point she allows [[RoyalBrat Joffrey]] to satisfy his cruelty without being disciplined, meaning he ends up as one of the most monstrous and incompetent Kings to ever sit the Iron Throne.



** Tywin Lannister has a fair amount of fans, who admire his talent for scheming and take as WordOfGod his brother's assessment that while a harsh man, he was no harsher than necessary, and [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans acted for the good of the family/realm]]. However, regardless of any positive outcomes of his actions, Tywin is shown to be totally unempathetic and treats everyone as pawns in his current scheme. Moreover, the circumstances of [[spoiler: Tywin's death]] basically imply that he was just a hypocrite, and that Tywin's adoring brother [[NobleTopEnforcer Kevan]] was deluded by love for his brother into seeing good that wasn't there. In fairness, Kevan and Genna knew what Tywin was, they just loved him for being their brother.

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** Tywin Lannister has a fair amount of fans, who admire his talent for scheming and take as WordOfGod his brother's assessment that while a harsh man, he was no harsher than necessary, and [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans acted for the good of the family/realm]]. However, regardless of any positive outcomes of his actions, Tywin is shown to be totally unempathetic and treats everyone as pawns in his current scheme. He may have been upset about his beloved wife Joanna dying in childbirth, but that doesn't justify his horrible treatment of Tyrion, refusing to name them heir to Casterly Rock, treating them as an embarrassment to the family for being a dwarf, and leaving Tyrion permanently damaged with his cruel treatment. Moreover, the circumstances of [[spoiler: Tywin's death]] death at Tyrion's hand]] basically imply that he was just a hypocrite, and that Tywin's adoring brother [[NobleTopEnforcer Kevan]] was deluded by love for his brother into seeing good that wasn't there. In fairness, Kevan and Genna knew what Tywin was, they just loved him for being their brother.


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** Some people, including [[Series/GameOfThrones D&D]] are convinced Renly Baratheon would have made a [[TheGoodKing great King]] and it was a tragedy he died. Renly certainly plays up that image in public, but in private shows himself to be vain and sleazy, never showing any ruling skills outside of [[VillainWithGoodPublicity good PR]]. The idea he'd be good to the smallfolk is challenged by the fact he is starving King's Landing into submission. His kindness in appointing Brienne is really because he sees her useful, behind her back he mocks her for her unattractiveness. As for being TheCharmer and the idea that many of the lords are supporting him because they think he'd make a good King, Mace Tyrell only seems to support Renly as it will his daughter Margaery Tyrell Queen and [[spoiler:once Renly dies much of his support goes away to his brother Stannis.]] Also, despite people giving Stannis criticism for [[spoiler:killing Renly, it is quite clear Renly intends to kill his older brother due to their claim being superior and shows no remorse over it, while Stannis is clearly upset over Renly's death and it is implied he isn't consciously aware of his role in Renly's death.]]
20th Dec '15 4:20:57 PM nombretomado
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* All of the Feanorians from ''TheSilmarillion'' sometimes fall prey to this. They ''do'' have redeeming qualities, but they're still definitely not complete innocents, what with having slaughtered many innocent people over jewelry:

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* All of the Feanorians from ''TheSilmarillion'' ''Literature/TheSilmarillion'' sometimes fall prey to this. They ''do'' have redeeming qualities, but they're still definitely not complete innocents, what with having slaughtered many innocent people over jewelry:
27th Nov '15 4:56:15 AM LongLiveHumour
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* [[PsychopathicManchild Jonathan Teatime]] from the Literature/{{Discworld}} novel ''Discworld/{{Hogfather}}'' seems to get this a lot.
* In ''Discworld/{{CarpeJugulum}}'', Pratchett deliberately subverts the trope at the end, when the dashingly gorgeous male vampire asks his object of affection, the young witch Agnes, if she'd reason with the mob to save him from the stake. Agnes, whose qualifications as a [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast Witch of Lancre]] derive from her being sensible and intelligent, contemplates his sexy gorgeousness and the way he fills out those leather pants, then remembers some of the evil things she's seen the vampires do. She tells him that she cares so very much for him, that she'd hold them back by their coat-tails. It acknowledges that she is regretful that he has to die (temporarily), but knows it must be done.

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[[PsychopathicManchild Jonathan Teatime]] from the Literature/{{Discworld}} novel ''Discworld/{{Hogfather}}'' seems to get this a lot.
* ** In ''Discworld/{{CarpeJugulum}}'', ''Discworld/CarpeJugulum'', Pratchett deliberately subverts the trope at the end, when the dashingly gorgeous male vampire asks his object of affection, the young witch Agnes, if she'd reason with the mob to save him from the stake. Agnes, whose qualifications as a [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast Witch of Lancre]] derive from her being sensible and intelligent, contemplates his sexy gorgeousness and the way he fills out those leather pants, then remembers some of the evil things she's seen the vampires do. She tells him that she cares so very much for him, that she'd hold them back by their coat-tails. It acknowledges that she is regretful that he has to die (temporarily), but knows it must be done.
7th Nov '15 6:09:16 PM Ugolino
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* Visser Three in ''Literature/{{Animorphs}}''. This is mainly due to him being AffablyEvil in prequel books

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* Visser Three in ''Literature/{{Animorphs}}''. ''Literature/{{Animorphs}}'' is considered an insane, homicidal PsychoForHire [[EvenEvilHasStandards even by the standards]] of a race of conquering brain slugs. An early book revealed that he acquired the form of one of [[ImAHumanitarian his species's natural predators]] solely for the purpose of [[YouHaveFailedMe cannibalizing his underlings]]. He also had a [[GeneralFailure success rate]] to make Cobra Commander blush. However, a bizarre number of fanfics tend to treat him as being far kinder, smarter, more conflicted, and fairer than he ever was in the books, often with him suddenly developing an attraction for [[RelationshipSue a beautiful woman]]. This is mainly due to him being somewhat more AffablyEvil in prequel booksbooks, and possibly no small amount of EvilIsSexy.
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