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** Spottedleaf is hated so much for loving Firestar that even ''the author'' bashes her for loving Firestar, despite how she's already [[ShipSinking killed the shipping as much as she possibly can]] without making either of them go OutOfCharacter.

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** Spottedleaf is hated so much for loving Firestar that even ''the author'' bashes her for loving Firestar, despite how she's already [[ShipSinking killed the shipping as much as she possibly can]] can without making either of them go OutOfCharacter.
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* A part of the ''Literature/{{Twilight}}'' fandom sees Edward as a [[ManipulativeBastard manipulative]] StalkerWithACrush and would rather see Bella end up with [[FanPreferredCouple Jacob]], [[DoggedNiceGuy Mike]], [[LesYay Alice]], etc. Meanwhile, another part of the fandom sees Bella as a perfectionst who should die in a fire so that Jacob and Edward can get it on... or die for [[CrackPairing Tyler's Van/Bella]], according to the {{Hatedom}}.

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* A part of the ''Literature/{{Twilight}}'' ''Literature/TheTwilightSaga'' fandom sees Edward as a [[ManipulativeBastard manipulative]] StalkerWithACrush and would rather see Bella end up with [[FanPreferredCouple Jacob]], [[DoggedNiceGuy Mike]], [[LesYay Alice]], etc. Meanwhile, another part of the fandom sees Bella as a perfectionst who should die in a fire so that Jacob and Edward can get it on... or die for [[CrackPairing Tyler's Van/Bella]], according to the {{Hatedom}}.
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** [[OlderThanTheyThink Webber wasn't even the first to do it]]. ''Literature/{{Phantom}}'' by Susan Kay has Christine in a passionless, sexless marriage with Raoul whlist she sleeps with the Erik [[spoiler: the night before he dies and giving birth to his son very similar to ''Love Never Dies'']]. Both Kay's book and Webber's sequel musical willfully ingore the fact Christine loved only Raoul throughout Gaston Leroux's novel and her feelings for Erik (while mixed with some genuine pity) were still understandably mostly [[AbhorrentAdmirer digusted horror]] -- ''not infatuation''.

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** [[OlderThanTheyThink Webber wasn't even the first to do it]]. ''Literature/{{Phantom}}'' by Susan Kay has Christine in a passionless, sexless marriage with Raoul whlist she sleeps with the Erik [[spoiler: the night before he dies and giving birth to his son very similar to ''Love Never Dies'']]. Both Kay's book and Webber's sequel musical willfully ingore the fact Christine loved only and wanted to marry Raoul throughout Gaston Leroux's novel and her feelings for Erik (while mixed with some genuine pity) pity and adoration of his talent) were still understandably mostly [[AbhorrentAdmirer digusted horror]] -- ''not infatuation''.
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** Ron is loathed by many Hermione/anyone other than him shippers (especially those that prefer her with Harry or Draco), with the general complaint amongst them being that they feel Hermione [[NoAccountingForTaste is too good for Ron]] and could do better than him. And since Hermione is arguably [[LauncherOfAThousandShips the most shipped character in the series]], this gives a lot of fans common cause against Ron. And still others are just simply not fans of BelligerentSexualTension types of relationships, although it's noteworthy that Hermione never seems to get hate for ''her'' participation in their arguments. He is also disliked by some Draco/Harry shippers due to being Harry's closest male friend. The tendency of militant shippers to demonize him in fan works got so notoriously bad and widespread he became the TropeNamer for RonTheDeathEater.
** Ginny is similarly despised by people who ship Harry with other characters (especially Hermione, Luna, and Draco), and was hated even before ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheHalfBloodPrince''. She was already a BaseBreakingCharacter even before they got together in the sixth book, probably in response to her increased prominence in ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheOrderOfThePhoenix''. There is a (much) smaller subset of shippers who bash Harry for being "stupid" enough to choose Ginny over whoever they ship him with. There are also those anti-shippers that feel the relationship was StrangledByTheRedString and Ginny's feelings for Harry are nothing more beyond a CelebrityCrush. Amongst Ginny haters, a popular theory (and fanfic trope) is that Harry only developed feelings for her because she drugged him with LovePotion at some point.

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** Ron is loathed by many Hermione/anyone other than him shippers (especially those that prefer her with Harry or Draco), with the general complaint amongst them being that they feel Hermione [[NoAccountingForTaste is too good for Ron]] and could do better than him. And since Hermione is arguably [[LauncherOfAThousandShips the most shipped character in the series]], this gives a lot of fans common cause against Ron. And still others are just simply not fans of BelligerentSexualTension types of relationships, although it's noteworthy that Hermione never seems to get hate for ''her'' participation in their arguments. He is also disliked by some Draco/Harry shippers due to being Harry's closest male friend. The tendency of militant shippers to demonize him in fan works got so notoriously bad and widespread he became the TropeNamer for RonTheDeathEater.
** Ginny is similarly despised by people who ship Harry with other characters (especially Hermione, Luna, and Draco), and was hated even before ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheHalfBloodPrince''. She was already a BaseBreakingCharacter even before they got together in the sixth book, probably in response to her increased prominence in ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheOrderOfThePhoenix''. There is a (much) smaller subset of shippers who bash Harry for being "stupid" enough to choose Ginny over whoever they ship him with. There are also those anti-shippers that feel the relationship was StrangledByTheRedString and Ginny's feelings for Harry are nothing more beyond a CelebrityCrush. Amongst Ginny haters, a popular theory (and fanfic trope) is that Harry only developed feelings for her because she drugged him with LovePotion at some point.
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** Ron is loathed by many Hermione/anyone other than him shippers (especially those that prefer her with Harry or Draco), with the general complaint amongst them being that they feel Hermione [[NoAccountingForTaste is too good for Ron]] and could do better than him. And still others are just simply not fans of BelligerentSexualTension types of relationships. He is also disliked by some Draco/Harry shippers due to being Harry's closest male friend. The tendency of militant shippers to demonize him in fan works got so notoriously bad and widespread he became the TropeNamer for RonTheDeathEater.

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** Ron is loathed by many Hermione/anyone other than him shippers (especially those that prefer her with Harry or Draco), with the general complaint amongst them being that they feel Hermione [[NoAccountingForTaste is too good for Ron]] and could do better than him. And since Hermione is arguably [[LauncherOfAThousandShips the most shipped character in the series]], this gives a lot of fans common cause against Ron. And still others are just simply not fans of BelligerentSexualTension types of relationships.relationships, although it's noteworthy that Hermione never seems to get hate for ''her'' participation in their arguments. He is also disliked by some Draco/Harry shippers due to being Harry's closest male friend. The tendency of militant shippers to demonize him in fan works got so notoriously bad and widespread he became the TropeNamer for RonTheDeathEater.
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** Ginny is similarly despised by people who ship Harry with other characters (especially Hermione, Luna, and Draco), and was hated even before ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheHalfBloodPrince''. She was already a BaseBreakingCharacter even before they got together in the sixth book, probably in response to her increased prominence in ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheOrderOfThePhoenix''. There is a (much) smaller subset of shippers who bash Harry for being "stupid" enough to choose Ginny over whoever they ship him with. There are also those anti-shippers that feel the relationship was StrangledByTheRedString and Ginny's feelings for Harry are nothing more beyond a CelebrityCrush.

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** Ginny is similarly despised by people who ship Harry with other characters (especially Hermione, Luna, and Draco), and was hated even before ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheHalfBloodPrince''. She was already a BaseBreakingCharacter even before they got together in the sixth book, probably in response to her increased prominence in ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheOrderOfThePhoenix''. There is a (much) smaller subset of shippers who bash Harry for being "stupid" enough to choose Ginny over whoever they ship him with. There are also those anti-shippers that feel the relationship was StrangledByTheRedString and Ginny's feelings for Harry are nothing more beyond a CelebrityCrush. Amongst Ginny haters, a popular theory (and fanfic trope) is that Harry only developed feelings for her because she drugged him with LovePotion at some point.

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** The Weasleys in general tend to get this from rabid shippers. Ron and Ginny get killed off in rather graphic fashion in fic, often before the story even starts, or have their faults (real but minor or invented from whole cloth) blown to ridiculous proportions.
*** Ron is loathed by many Hermione/anyone other than him shippers (especially those that prefer her with Harry or Draco), with the general complaint amongst them being that they feel Hermione [[NoAccountingForTaste is too good for Ron]] and could do better than him. And still others are just simply not fans of BelligerentSexualTension types of relationships. He is also disliked by some Draco/Harry shippers due to being Harry's closest male friend. The tendency of militant shippers to demonize him in fan works got so notoriously bad and widespread he became the TropeNamer for RonTheDeathEater.
*** Ginny is similarly despised by people who ship Harry with other characters (especially Hermione, Luna, and Draco), and was hated even before ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheHalfBloodPrince''. She was already a BaseBreakingCharacter even before they got together in the sixth book, probably in response to her increased prominence in ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheOrderOfThePhoenix''. There is a (much) smaller subset of shippers who bash Harry for being "stupid" enough to choose Ginny over whoever they ship him with. There are also those anti-shippers that feel the relationship was StrangledByTheRedString and Ginny's feelings for Harry are nothing more beyond a CelebrityCrush.
*** Militant Harry/Hermione shippers (or "Harmonians" to differentiate from non-militant H/Hr shippers) became so notorious for their utter demonization of any character who gets in the way of their ship that militant shippers in any other fandom will sometimes be called "the Harmonians" of the fandom.

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** The Weasleys in general tend to get this from rabid shippers. Ron and Ginny get killed off in rather graphic fashion in fic, often before the story even starts, or have their faults (real but minor or invented from whole cloth) blown to ridiculous proportions.
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Ron is loathed by many Hermione/anyone other than him shippers (especially those that prefer her with Harry or Draco), with the general complaint amongst them being that they feel Hermione [[NoAccountingForTaste is too good for Ron]] and could do better than him. And still others are just simply not fans of BelligerentSexualTension types of relationships. He is also disliked by some Draco/Harry shippers due to being Harry's closest male friend. The tendency of militant shippers to demonize him in fan works got so notoriously bad and widespread he became the TropeNamer for RonTheDeathEater.
*** ** Ginny is similarly despised by people who ship Harry with other characters (especially Hermione, Luna, and Draco), and was hated even before ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheHalfBloodPrince''. She was already a BaseBreakingCharacter even before they got together in the sixth book, probably in response to her increased prominence in ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheOrderOfThePhoenix''. There is a (much) smaller subset of shippers who bash Harry for being "stupid" enough to choose Ginny over whoever they ship him with. There are also those anti-shippers that feel the relationship was StrangledByTheRedString and Ginny's feelings for Harry are nothing more beyond a CelebrityCrush. \n*** Militant Harry/Hermione shippers (or "Harmonians" to differentiate from non-militant H/Hr shippers) became so notorious for their utter demonization of any character who gets in the way of their ship that militant shippers in any other fandom will sometimes be called "the Harmonians" of the fandom.
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** Ron is loathed by many Hermione/anyone other than him shippers (especially those that prefer her with Harry or Draco), with the general complaint amongst them being that they feel Hermione [[NoAccountingForTaste is too good for Ron]] and could do better than him. And still others are just simply not fans of BelligerentSexualTension types of relationships. He is also disliked by some Draco/Harry shippers due to being Harry's closest male friend.
** Ginny is similarly despised by people who ship Harry with other characters (especially Hermione, Luna, and Draco), and was hated even before ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheHalfBloodPrince''. She was already a BaseBreakingCharacter even before they got together in the sixth book, probably in response to her increased prominence in ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheOrderOfThePhoenix''. There is a (much) smaller subset of shippers who bash Harry for being "stupid" enough to choose Ginny over whoever they ship him with. There are also those anti-shippers that feel the relationship was StrangledByTheRedString and Ginny's feelings for Harry are nothing more beyond a CelebrityCrush.
*** Militant Harry/Hermione shippers (or "Harmonians" to differentiate from non-militant H/Hr shippers) have become so notorious for their utter demonization of any character who gets in the way of their ship that militant shippers in any other fandom will sometimes be called the "the Harmonians" of the fandom.
*** The Weasleys in general tend to get this from rabid shippers. Ron and Ginny get killed off in rather graphic fashion in fic, often before the story even starts, or have their faults (real but minor or invented from whole cloth) blown to ridiculous proportions. In Ron's case, it got so notoriously bad and widespread he became the TropeNamer for RonTheDeathEater.

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** The Weasleys in general tend to get this from rabid shippers. Ron and Ginny get killed off in rather graphic fashion in fic, often before the story even starts, or have their faults (real but minor or invented from whole cloth) blown to ridiculous proportions.
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Ron is loathed by many Hermione/anyone other than him shippers (especially those that prefer her with Harry or Draco), with the general complaint amongst them being that they feel Hermione [[NoAccountingForTaste is too good for Ron]] and could do better than him. And still others are just simply not fans of BelligerentSexualTension types of relationships. He is also disliked by some Draco/Harry shippers due to being Harry's closest male friend.
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friend. The tendency of militant shippers to demonize him in fan works got so notoriously bad and widespread he became the TropeNamer for RonTheDeathEater.
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Ginny is similarly despised by people who ship Harry with other characters (especially Hermione, Luna, and Draco), and was hated even before ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheHalfBloodPrince''. She was already a BaseBreakingCharacter even before they got together in the sixth book, probably in response to her increased prominence in ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheOrderOfThePhoenix''. There is a (much) smaller subset of shippers who bash Harry for being "stupid" enough to choose Ginny over whoever they ship him with. There are also those anti-shippers that feel the relationship was StrangledByTheRedString and Ginny's feelings for Harry are nothing more beyond a CelebrityCrush.
*** Militant Harry/Hermione shippers (or "Harmonians" to differentiate from non-militant H/Hr shippers) have become became so notorious for their utter demonization of any character who gets in the way of their ship that militant shippers in any other fandom will sometimes be called the "the Harmonians" of the fandom.
*** The Weasleys in general tend to get this from rabid shippers. Ron and Ginny get killed off in rather graphic fashion in fic, often before the story even starts, or have their faults (real but minor or invented from whole cloth) blown to ridiculous proportions. In Ron's case, it got so notoriously bad and widespread he became the TropeNamer for RonTheDeathEater.
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** [[OlderThanTheyThink Webber wasn't even the first to do it]]. ''Literature/{{Phantom}}'' by Susan Kay has Christine in a passionless, sexless marriage with Raoul whlist she sleeps with the Erik [[spoiler: the night before he dies and giving birth to his son very similar to ''Love Never Dies'']]. Both Kay's book and Webber's sequel musical willfully ingore the fact Christine loved only Raoul throughout Gaston Leroux's novel and her feelings for Erik (while mixed with some genuine pity) were still unstandably mostly [[AbhorrentAdmirer digusted horror]] -- ''not infatuation''.

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** [[OlderThanTheyThink Webber wasn't even the first to do it]]. ''Literature/{{Phantom}}'' by Susan Kay has Christine in a passionless, sexless marriage with Raoul whlist she sleeps with the Erik [[spoiler: the night before he dies and giving birth to his son very similar to ''Love Never Dies'']]. Both Kay's book and Webber's sequel musical willfully ingore the fact Christine loved only Raoul throughout Gaston Leroux's novel and her feelings for Erik (while mixed with some genuine pity) were still unstandably understandably mostly [[AbhorrentAdmirer digusted horror]] -- ''not infatuation''. infatuation''.
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** [[OlderThanTheyThink Webber wasn't even the first to do it]]. ''Literature/{{Phantom}}'' by Susan Kay has Christine in a passionless, sexless marriage with Raoul whlist she sleeps with the Erik [[spoiler: the night before he dies and giving birth to his son very similar to ''Love Never Dies'']]. Both Kay's book and Webber's sequel musical willfully ingore the fact Christine loved only Raoul throughout Gaston Leroux's novel and her feelings for Erik (while mixed with some genuine pity) were still unstandably mostly [[AbhorrentAdmirer digusted horror]] -- ''not infatuation''.
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* A part of the ''Literature/{{Twilight}}'' fandom sees Edward as a [[ManipulativeBastard manipulative]] StalkerWithACrush and would rather see Bella end up with [[FanPreferredCouple Jacob]], [[DoggedNiceGuy Mike]], [[LesYay Alice]], etc. Meanwhile, another part of the fandom sees Bella as a perfectionst who should die in a fire so that Jacob and Edward can get their FoeYay on... or die for [[CrackPairing Tyler's Van/Bella]], according to the {{Hatedom}}.

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* A part of the ''Literature/{{Twilight}}'' fandom sees Edward as a [[ManipulativeBastard manipulative]] StalkerWithACrush and would rather see Bella end up with [[FanPreferredCouple Jacob]], [[DoggedNiceGuy Mike]], [[LesYay Alice]], etc. Meanwhile, another part of the fandom sees Bella as a perfectionst who should die in a fire so that Jacob and Edward can get their FoeYay it on... or die for [[CrackPairing Tyler's Van/Bella]], according to the {{Hatedom}}.
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** In the second book, we have Candle, who gets a lot of flak from [[YaoiGuys Liir/Trism]] [[YaoiFangirls fangirls (and boys)]]. Only in this case, the hate is not entirely unjustified; Candle actually [[spoiler:''raped Liir in his sleep'' and then dumped him with the baby she had afterward]].

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** In the second book, we have Candle, who gets a lot of flak from [[YaoiGuys Liir/Trism]] Liir/Trism [[YaoiFangirls fangirls (and boys)]]. Only in this case, the hate is not entirely unjustified; Candle actually [[spoiler:''raped Liir in his sleep'' and then dumped him with the baby she had afterward]].

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* The Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse had this for a while with Callista. Never mind that Luke gets [[ChickMagnet a new girlfriend in just about every installment]], it was hard to find a Luke/Mara fic that didn't include a TakeThat against Callista. Fans didn't want her to just disappear, but die, preferably at Luke's hands. [[spoiler:They got their wish when ''Literature/FateOfTheJedi'' revealed her to have been [[YouWillBeAssimilated assimilated]] by an EldritchAbomination and Luke {{Mercy Kill}}s her.]]

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The Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse big one that had this for a while with Callista. Never mind that Luke gets [[ChickMagnet a new girlfriend in just about every installment]], it was hard to find a Luke/Mara fic that didn't include a TakeThat against Callista. Fans didn't want her to just disappear, but die, preferably at Luke's hands. [[spoiler:They got their wish when ''Literature/FateOfTheJedi'' revealed her to have been [[YouWillBeAssimilated assimilated]] by an EldritchAbomination and Luke {{Mercy Kill}}s her.]]]]
** Jaina Solo has been known to get caught in this between Jaina/Jag Fel, Jaina/Kyp Durron and Jaina/Zek contingents. Even the actual book writers couldn’t make up their minds for a time.
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** Even fans of the book still tend to play up the negativity of Raoul’s initial stalking and jealously of Christine and her mysterious suitor in order to put the Phantom aka Erik in a more favourable light. Even the chapters detailing Raoul and Christine as childhood sweethearts and how Raoul was in his rights to be concerned about her at the very least isn’t enough to sway them.


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* ''Literature/{{Dracula}}'':
** Similar to the ''Phantom of the Opera'' example above, there’s a [[MisaimedFandom disproportionate amount of fans]] who ship Dracula/Mina ([[AudienceColouringAdaptation thanks in no small part]] to Creator/FrancisFordCoppola’s ''Film/BramStokersDracula''). Jonathan Harker, Mina’s beloved husband and father of her child, TheHero of the story, played by Creator/KeanuReeves in the film? Well he can go die as far as Dracula/Mina shippers are concerned, or they will paint [[VampiresHarem The Brides]] sucking his blood as Jonathan cheating on Mina. Even though in the book, Dracula’s sole “[[SarcasmMode romantic]]” scene with Mina was him forcing her to suck his blood after threatening to kill the sleeping Jonathan, with all RapeAsDrama allusions being intentional as possible but Dracula being a universal DracoInLeatherPants Dracula/Mina fans wilfully ignore that.
** A lot of writers and creators seem to have it out for the canonical Jonathan/Mina pairing. Creator/AlanMoore gave AdaptationalJerkass to Jonathan in ''ComicBook/TheLeagueOfExtraordinaryGentlemen'' so that he abandons Mina before the events of the comic as being bitten by Dracula as she’s been “tainted”, all to make room for Allan Quatermain being Mina love interest instead. In original novel Jonathan was devoted to his dear wife, even when Mina was slowly turning into a vampire and her violation at The Count’s hands only triggered a RoaringRampageOfRevenge response, rather than revulsion as Moore pens.
** On the flip side Mina as Jonathan’s wife gets a lot of dislike from Dracula/Jonathan fans, who take Dracula’s “HE IS MINE!” furious reaction to The Brides trying to bite Jonathan from the book as Drac showcasing his [[HoYay love and protection]] for him [[note]] the popular historian observation that the famously homosexual Creator/OscarWilde who was a close friend of Bram Stoker, may have been a inspiration for The Count does gives some weight to the Dracula/Jonathan shipping [[/note]]. Of course Dracula and Jonathan‘s relationship from the novel being given little focus in numerous adaptations in favour of Dracula/Mina isn’t exactly easing the bitterness.
** Poor Lucy gets this from both sides [[spoiler: never mind the fact she dies for real]]. Dracula/Mina fans hate her for being the main focus of Dracula’s “attention” (which rings with UnfortunateImplications) and paint Lucy as a hussy and AssholeVictim who deserved to get her blood sucked out and staked, while Dracula and Mina’s “relationship” is apparently true love in comparison, adaptations playing up the MadonnaWhoreComplex with Lucy and Mina don’t help in the slightest. Then there’s the Yaoi shippers who love John, Arthur and Quincy’s [[HoYay bond]] and hate Lucy (whom all three men love and who Arthur marries) for getting in the way and also play up Lucy’s negative traits ... that only really exist in the film and TV adaptations.
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** After it was revealed that James Potter was a JerkJock in his youth, he suffered this instantaneously overnight in favor of Snape/Lily who refuse to see Snape's (self-acknowledged) faults and screw-ups to insist that James was [[RonTheDeathEater an evil asshole]] who somehow forced [[SympatheticSue poor innocent Lily]] to marry him. Similarly, many Snape fans bash '''Lily''' herself for daring to break off her (rather toxic at that rate) friendship with Snape after he called her a "mudblood" (the magical world equivalent of the n-word), blaming her for the incident and insisting that she owed him her love and affection just because he was obsessively in love with her.

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** After it was revealed that James Potter was a JerkJock in his youth, he suffered this instantaneously overnight in favor of Snape/Lily who refuse to see Snape's (self-acknowledged) faults and screw-ups to insist that James was [[RonTheDeathEater an evil asshole]] who somehow forced [[SympatheticSue poor innocent Lily]] Lily to marry him. Similarly, many Snape fans bash '''Lily''' herself for daring to break off her (rather toxic at that rate) friendship with Snape after he called her a "mudblood" (the magical world equivalent of the n-word), blaming her for the incident and insisting that she owed him her love and affection just because he was obsessively in love with her.



* A part of the ''Literature/{{Twilight}}'' fandom sees Edward as a [[ManipulativeBastard manipulative]] StalkerWithACrush and would rather see Bella end up with [[FanPreferredCouple Jacob]], [[DoggedNiceGuy Mike]], [[LesYay Alice]], etc. Meanwhile, another part of the fandom sees Bella as a MarySue who should die in a fire so that Jacob and Edward can get their FoeYay on... or die for [[CrackPairing Tyler's Van/Bella]], according to the {{Hatedom}}.
** Here's a fun drinking game: head to FF.net, flip over to the ''Twilight'' Section, and take a shot every time you find a fanfiction in which Bella dies/is made spiteful so a [[MarySue Mary Sue]] can hook up with Edward. You will die in seven pages.

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* A part of the ''Literature/{{Twilight}}'' fandom sees Edward as a [[ManipulativeBastard manipulative]] StalkerWithACrush and would rather see Bella end up with [[FanPreferredCouple Jacob]], [[DoggedNiceGuy Mike]], [[LesYay Alice]], etc. Meanwhile, another part of the fandom sees Bella as a MarySue perfectionst who should die in a fire so that Jacob and Edward can get their FoeYay on... or die for [[CrackPairing Tyler's Van/Bella]], according to the {{Hatedom}}.
** Here's a fun drinking game: head to FF.net, flip over to the ''Twilight'' Section, and take a shot every time you find a fanfiction in which Bella dies/is made spiteful so a [[MarySue Mary Sue]] self-insert can hook up with Edward. You will die in seven pages.
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** Ron is loathed by many Hermione/anyone other than him shippers (especially those that prefer her with Harry or Draco), with the general complaint amongst them being that they feel Hermione [[NoAccountingForTaste is too good for Ron]] and could do better than him. And still others are just simply not fans of BelligerentSexualTension types of relationships.

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** Ron is loathed by many Hermione/anyone other than him shippers (especially those that prefer her with Harry or Draco), with the general complaint amongst them being that they feel Hermione [[NoAccountingForTaste is too good for Ron]] and could do better than him. And still others are just simply not fans of BelligerentSexualTension types of relationships. He is also disliked by some Draco/Harry shippers due to being Harry's closest male friend.
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*** Militant Harry/Hermione shippers (or "Harmonians" to differentiate from non-militant H/Hr shippers) have become so notorious for their utter demonization of any character who gets in the way of their ship that militant shippers in any other fandom will sometimes be called the Harmonians of the fandom.
*** As noted on ''Main/RonTheDeathEater'', the Weasleys in general tend to get this from rabid shippers. Ron and Ginny get killed off in rather graphic fashion in fic, often before the story even starts, or have their faults (real but minor or invented from whole cloth) blown to ridiculous proportions.

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*** Militant Harry/Hermione shippers (or "Harmonians" to differentiate from non-militant H/Hr shippers) have become so notorious for their utter demonization of any character who gets in the way of their ship that militant shippers in any other fandom will sometimes be called the Harmonians "the Harmonians" of the fandom.
*** As noted on ''Main/RonTheDeathEater'', the The Weasleys in general tend to get this from rabid shippers. Ron and Ginny get killed off in rather graphic fashion in fic, often before the story even starts, or have their faults (real but minor or invented from whole cloth) blown to ridiculous proportions. In Ron's case, it got so notoriously bad and widespread he became the TropeNamer for RonTheDeathEater.

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** Ron and Ginny Weasley of Harry Potter are loathed by many militant Harry/Hermione and Harry/Luna (hell, pretty much Harry/anyone not Ginny) shippers, and have been since the author confirmed Harry/Ginny and Ron/Hermione as Canon in ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheHalfBloodPrince''.
*** Ron is loathed by many Hermione/anyone other than him shippers (especially those that prefer her with Harry or Draco), with the general complaint amongst them being that they feel Hermione [[NoAccountingForTaste is too good for Ron]] and could do better than him. And still others are just simply not fans of BelligerentSexualTension types of relationships.
*** Ginny is similarly despised by people who ship Harry with other characters (especially Hermione, Luna, and Draco), and was hated even before ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheHalfBloodPrince''. She was already a BaseBreakingCharacter even before they got together in the sixth book, perhaps in response to the Harry/Ginny shippers who were correctly predicting the couple's canonization, but probably more directly related to her increased prominence in ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheOrderOfThePhoenix''. There is a (much) smaller subset of shippers who bash Harry for being "stupid" enough to choose Ginny over Hermione, or who would have preferred to see Ginny get together with Harry's rival Draco Malfoy. There are also those anti-shippers that feel the relationship was StrangledByTheRedString and Ginny's feelings for Harry are nothing more beyond a CelebrityCrush.

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** Ron and Ginny Weasley of Harry Potter are loathed by many militant Harry/Hermione and Harry/Luna (hell, pretty much Harry/anyone not Ginny) shippers, and have been since the author confirmed Harry/Ginny and Ron/Hermione as Canon in ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheHalfBloodPrince''.
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Ron is loathed by many Hermione/anyone other than him shippers (especially those that prefer her with Harry or Draco), with the general complaint amongst them being that they feel Hermione [[NoAccountingForTaste is too good for Ron]] and could do better than him. And still others are just simply not fans of BelligerentSexualTension types of relationships.
*** ** Ginny is similarly despised by people who ship Harry with other characters (especially Hermione, Luna, and Draco), and was hated even before ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheHalfBloodPrince''. She was already a BaseBreakingCharacter even before they got together in the sixth book, perhaps probably in response to the Harry/Ginny shippers who were correctly predicting the couple's canonization, but probably more directly related to her increased prominence in ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheOrderOfThePhoenix''. There is a (much) smaller subset of shippers who bash Harry for being "stupid" enough to choose Ginny over Hermione, or who would have preferred to see Ginny get together with Harry's rival Draco Malfoy.whoever they ship him with. There are also those anti-shippers that feel the relationship was StrangledByTheRedString and Ginny's feelings for Harry are nothing more beyond a CelebrityCrush.



** Subverted in Paradigm of Uncertainty: [[spoiler:Ron has literally Died For Our Ship, but he's not demonised and turns out to be alive in the third story - the author is on record as saying she regretted killing him off.]]
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** Marius can also get this from fans who ship Eponine with anyone other than him. One wonders why, as you'd think simply [[PairTheSpares leaving him with Cosette]] would be much less painful, unless you ship Eponine/Cossette (a CrackShip which has grown a fanbase in recent years following the movie).

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** Marius can also get this from fans who ship Eponine with anyone other than him. One wonders why, as you'd think simply [[PairTheSpares leaving him with Cosette]] would be much less painful, unless you ship Eponine/Cossette (a CrackShip which has grown a fanbase in recent years following the movie).[[CrackShip Eponine/Cossette]].

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** This fandom is surprisingly violent, and all the crazier since the "choice" is between [[spoiler: a girl who survives until curtain and a girl who dies!]] Also, the book portrays the fan favorite Eponine as a crazed stalker, and the Marius/Cosette relationship is way more supported than in the musical.
** The main problem seems to be that, in the musical, Marius knows that Cosette is his True Love (with a capital T) within seconds of glimpsing her in the street. So there's yet another contingent: Marius/nobody, because one girl is a crazed stalker and he's only known the other for ten minutes. The musical also fails to give Cosette any CharacterDevelopment and makes Eponine much more sympathetic by greatly toning down her stalkerish actions from the book.



** Marius can also get this from fans who ship Eponine with anyone other than him. One wonders why, as you'd think simply [[PairTheSpares leaving him with Cosette]] would be much less painful.

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** Marius can also get this from fans who ship Eponine with anyone other than him. One wonders why, as you'd think simply [[PairTheSpares leaving him with Cosette]] would be much less painful.painful, unless you ship Eponine/Cossette (a CrackShip which has grown a fanbase in recent years following the movie).
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*** As noted on ''Literature/RonTheDeathEater'', the Weasleys in general tend to get this from rabid shippers. Ron and Ginny get killed off in rather graphic fashion in fic, often before the story even starts, or have their faults (real but minor or invented from whole cloth) blown to ridiculous proportions.

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** Ron is loathed by many Hermione/anyone other than him shippers (especially those that prefer her with Harry or Draco), with the general complaint amongst them being that they feel Hermione [[NoAccountingForTaste is too good for Ron]] and could do better than him. And still others are just simply not fans of BelligerentSexualTension types of relationships.
** Ginny is similarly despised by people who ship Harry with other characters (especially Hermione, Luna, and Draco). She was already a BaseBreakingCharacter even before they got together in the sixth book, perhaps in response to her increased prominence (and sudden, off-screen character development) in ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheOrderOfThePhoenix''. There are also those anti-shippers that feel the relationship was StrangledByTheRedString and Ginny's feelings for Harry are nothing more beyond a CelebrityCrush.
** Cho Chang also got it bad from everyone who ships Harry with someone else. This started before Book Five, when all we knew about her was that she was a pretty and popular athlete who (gently) turned Harry down on his first attempt to ask her out. It eventually died off after they dated and then broke up.

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** Ron and Ginny Weasley of Harry Potter are loathed by many militant Harry/Hermione and Harry/Luna (hell, pretty much Harry/anyone not Ginny) shippers, and have been since the author confirmed Harry/Ginny and Ron/Hermione as Canon in ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheHalfBloodPrince''.
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Ron is loathed by many Hermione/anyone other than him shippers (especially those that prefer her with Harry or Draco), with the general complaint amongst them being that they feel Hermione [[NoAccountingForTaste is too good for Ron]] and could do better than him. And still others are just simply not fans of BelligerentSexualTension types of relationships.
** *** Ginny is similarly despised by people who ship Harry with other characters (especially Hermione, Luna, and Draco). Draco), and was hated even before ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheHalfBloodPrince''. She was already a BaseBreakingCharacter even before they got together in the sixth book, perhaps in response to the Harry/Ginny shippers who were correctly predicting the couple's canonization, but probably more directly related to her increased prominence (and sudden, off-screen character development) in ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheOrderOfThePhoenix''. There is a (much) smaller subset of shippers who bash Harry for being "stupid" enough to choose Ginny over Hermione, or who would have preferred to see Ginny get together with Harry's rival Draco Malfoy. There are also those anti-shippers that feel the relationship was StrangledByTheRedString and Ginny's feelings for Harry are nothing more beyond a CelebrityCrush.
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*** Militant Harry/Hermione shippers (or "Harmonians" to differentiate from non-militant H/Hr shippers) have become so notorious for their utter demonization of any character who gets in the way of their ship that militant shippers in any other fandom will sometimes be called the Harmonians of the fandom.
*** As noted on ''Literature/RonTheDeathEater'', the Weasleys in general tend to get this from rabid shippers. Ron and Ginny get killed off in rather graphic fashion in fic, often before the story even starts, or have their faults (real but minor or invented from whole cloth) blown to ridiculous proportions.
** Cho Chang also got it bad from almost everyone who ships Harry with someone else. This started before Book Five, when all we knew about her was that she was a pretty and popular athlete who (gently) turned Harry down on his first attempt to ask her out. It eventually died off after they dated This extended into real life when actress Katie Leung was picked to play Cho in the films. She got criticism of her looks and then broke up.her racial background, and even got death threats.


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* ''Literature/StrangerThanFanfiction'' has an InUniverse example. One of the most popular ships on the show "[[ShowWithinAShow Wiz Kids]]" is of Dr. Webster Bumfuzzle with Dr. Jules Peachtree, with shippers of them being known formerly as "Bumtrees", now going by "Peachfuzzlers". These shippers tend to be [=SO=] into the ship that they think the actors who play them, Cash Carter and Amy Evans, are also an item. As a result, whenever Cash gets a new girlfriend, the shippers harass her into ending her relationship with him. He brings up his last girlfriend, who broke up with him because she got a box full of hair and a note saying "We know Amy and Cash are in love. Get our of their way or this will be all that's left if you! Sincerely, the Bumtrees.". The police tracked it back to a group of fourteen-year-olds in Moose Jaw, Canada.
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** Crowfeather began receiving this, as many portray him as being a jerk or sometimes downright abusive just so Leafpool can get together with Mothwing. While Crowfeather is a JerkWithAHeartOfGold with many glaring flaws, he was never abusive and Leafpool was one of the very few cats he actually showed his soft side to.
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** A sort of inverted example can occur with the people who bash the Rhaegar/Lyanna pairing because they are fans of Elia Martell (or rather, their own idea of Elia, because she gets very little characterization in the books.) It can’t really be considered Die For Our Ship, because they hate Rhaegar and don't ship him with Elia, but they still loath the pairing because it hurts Elia. Sometimes, the pairing will even be called "statuatory rape" despite the fact that these same people often have no problem shipping Sansa with adult men. Alternatively, Lyanna will be demonized.

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** Many fans ship [[FanPreferredCouple Ian/Amy]], and many of the more militant shippers are not hesitant to cook up a batch of bashing and RevengeFic for [[GirlOfTheWeek Kurt]] and [[SecondLove Evan]] [[OfficialCouple Tolliver]].
** Some shippers of [[FanPreferredCouple Hamilton/]][[ShipsThatPassInTheNight Sinead]] do not take kindly to other ships involving either of those characters.
* The prevailing ship in ''Literature/BridgeToTerabithia'' fandom is Jess/Leslie, and by that we mean literally the entire fandom ships it. A number of shippers of this pairing, however, are hostile to Julia Edmunds, Jess's HotTeacher, since Jess's PrecociousCrush on her ultimately causes the ContrivedCoincidence that [[spoiler:gets Leslie killed]].
* ''Literature/TheChroniclesOfNarnia''. Caspian gets his fair share of hate from the [[IncestYayShipping incest-shipping large fandom]] due to the fact that, since his appearance, many fans have started shipping him with either Susan, Peter, Lucy or Edmund. So there's hate from the fans of all the three most popular incest couples (Peter/Susan, Edmund/Lucy and Peter/Edmund) towards Caspian/any of the Pevensie children... even when book canon actually says that Caspian ''married someone else'' (Ramandu's daughter).
** There's also hate from the fans of Peter/Caspian, Lucy/Caspian and Edmund/Caspian towards Susan, because [[{{Canon}} Caspian chose her in the movie]].
** Ironically enough, Peter/Edmund fans also hate Susan and Lucy, because they're commonly shipped with Peter and Edmund, respectively.
* ''Literature/TheDresdenFiles'': Harry/Murphy, [[StuffedInTheFridge Harry/Susan]] and [[UnluckyChildhoodFriend Harry/Elaine]] shippers did not like Luccio. Though that became pretty much moot with developments in later books that effectively torpedoed the Harry/Luccio relationship.
* ''Literature/HannahSwensen'': The shipping wars over which man Hannah should choose - the average looking yet warm and supportive dentist Norman Rhodes and the strong, sexy, yet sometimes patronizing policeman Mike Kingston - took a turn for this when Hannah chose Ross Barton, her old college boyfriend. As it turns out, the fans got their wish in two different ways, first when he disappeared on Hannah after their honeymoon and was discovered to have still been legally married to his first wife, and second when he turned up dead by the end of ''Chocolate Cream Pie Murder'' at the hands of a then-unidentified assailant.
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*** Subverted in ''Fanfic/ParadigmOfUncertainty'': Ron has literally Died For the Ship, but he's not demonized, [[spoiler:and turns out to be alive in the third story]]. The author is on record as saying she regretted killing him off.



** Although Nymphadora Tonks is well-liked by the majority of the fandom, there's a small but outspoken group of [[SlashFic slashers]] who have a [[EpilepticTrees conspiracy theory]] that she was written into the story at the last minute to prove that Remus Lupin wasn't gay with his friend Sirius Black, a very popular ship. Even though canon states clearly Sirius was much closer with James than Remus. And the fact that Sirius died before they even got together, so her relationship with Remus proves nothing.
*** There's also another subgroup who were disappointed because they'd hoped that Tonks would be just as gay herself.

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** Although Nymphadora Tonks is well-liked by the majority of the fandom, there's a small but outspoken group of [[SlashFic slashers]] who have a [[EpilepticTrees conspiracy theory]] that she was written into the story at the last minute to prove that Remus Lupin wasn't gay with his friend Sirius Black, a very popular ship. Even though canon states clearly that Sirius was much closer with James than Remus. And the fact that Remus, and Sirius died before they Remus and Tonks even got together, so her relationship with Remus proves nothing.
*** There's also another subgroup who were disappointed because they'd hoped that Tonks would be just as gay herself.
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* ''Literature/TheChroniclesOfNarnia''. Caspian gets his fair share of hate from the [[IncestYayShipping incest-shipping large fandom]] due to the fact that, since his appearance, many fans have started shipping him with either Susan, Peter, Lucy or Edmund. So there's hate from the fans of all the three most popular incest couples (Peter/Susan, Edmund/Lucy and Peter/Edmund) towards Caspian/any of the Pevensie children... even when book canon actually says that Caspian ''married someone else'' (Ramandu's daughter).
** There's also hate from the fans of Peter/Caspian, Lucy/Caspian and Edmund/Caspian towards Susan, because [[{{Canon}} Caspian chose her in the movie]].
** Ironically enough, Peter/Edmund fans also hate Susan and Lucy, because they're commonly shipped with Peter and Edmund, respectively.
* Amy March from ''Literature/LittleWomen'' is universally hated for "stealing" Theodore "Laurie" Lawrence from her older sister Josephine aka Jo. This hatred can even be seen in films of the book: the writers don't change the ending to Jo/Laurie, but they show Amy in a bad light (removing her extreme tact and elegance in the 1994 version, for instance) and don't include quite nice scenes between her and Laurie (like his rather cute marriage proposal to her) with this same intention. This is especially stupid and/or funny given that Jo rejected Laurie twice, did ''everything'' to stop him from proposing -- including leaving home -- and wanted him to marry one of her sisters (Meg in the first volume, Beth in the second). Jo chose another guy and had a happy marriage (with the bonus that the guy, Professor Fritz Bhaer, was her BigBrotherMentor and beta reader too), but the [[FanPreferredCouple fandom who still prefers her with Laurie]] is as strong today as it was over a hundred years ago when [[WriterRevolt the writer revolted]]... because [[MisaimedFandom even BACK THEN the shippers were more worried about who would Jo marry, than Jo's own development as a character]].
** There is also quite the DoubleStandard, as Amy is called all kinds of gendered insults and blamed for the whole deal, but the fans conveniently forget that Laurie pushed his feelings on Jo to the point of, as said above, getting himself refused by her ''twice''. So Laurie can do whatever he wants and he doesn't get blamed, but Amy is to be shamed and hated for everything? Meeep.
** There's a subset of fans that totally demonise Professor Fritz Bhaer to make Laurie look as a better option. One can understand being uncomfortable with the age difference (Fritz is 15 years older than Jo), but calling Fritz "creepy" and "possessive" and "asshole who talks down to Jo and holds her back from pursuing her dreams" when he's ''nothing'' like that... sheeesh.

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* ''Literature/TheChroniclesOfNarnia''. Caspian gets his fair share ''Literature/TheHunchbackOfNotreDame'' fandom kind of hate from fits this trope. The fandom mostly consists of Frollo/Esmeralda shippers (no matter what adaptation, though most commonly the [[IncestYayShipping incest-shipping large fandom]] due novel and the Disney version) who are more than happy to get rid of Phoebus to see this ship happen. However, as improbable as this pairing is, even people who ''don't'' ship it are usually more than happy to have Phoebus die in fandomland.
** However, this trope applies best
to the fact that, since his appearance, many fans have started shipping him with either Susan, Peter, Lucy or Edmund. So there's hate from the fans of all the three most popular incest couples (Peter/Susan, Edmund/Lucy and Peter/Edmund) towards Caspian/any of the Pevensie children... even when book canon Disney version, where Esmeralda/Phoebus is actually says that Caspian ''married someone else'' (Ramandu's daughter).
** There's
a canon couple, Phoebus is NOT a complete jerkass and instead falls in love with Esme for real. Yet the Disney fanbase is also hate from the fans of Peter/Caspian, Lucy/Caspian and Edmund/Caspian towards Susan, because [[{{Canon}} Caspian chose her rabidly in the movie]].
** Ironically enough, Peter/Edmund fans also hate Susan and Lucy, because they're commonly shipped
love with Peter Frollo/Esmeralda - never mind how evil Frollo is in comparison to the original - and Edmund, respectively.
* Amy March from ''Literature/LittleWomen'' is universally hated
loves to write off Disney!Phoebus for "stealing" Theodore "Laurie" Lawrence from her older sister Josephine aka Jo. This hatred can even be seen in films of the book: the writers don't change the ending to Jo/Laurie, but they show Amy in a bad light (removing her extreme tact and elegance in the 1994 version, for instance) and don't include quite nice scenes between her and Laurie (like his rather cute marriage proposal to her) with this same intention. This is especially stupid and/or funny given that Jo rejected Laurie twice, did ''everything'' to stop him from proposing -- including leaving home -- and wanted him to marry one sake of her sisters (Meg in the first volume, Beth in the second). Jo chose another guy and had a happy marriage (with the bonus that the guy, Professor Fritz Bhaer, was her BigBrotherMentor and beta reader too), but the [[FanPreferredCouple fandom who still prefers her with Laurie]] is as strong today as it was over a hundred years ago when [[WriterRevolt the writer revolted]]... because [[MisaimedFandom even BACK THEN the shippers were more worried about who would Jo marry, than Jo's own development as a character]].
their ship.
** There is are also quite those who ship Quasi/Esmeralda because the DoubleStandard, as Amy is called all kinds of gendered insults and blamed for hero [[UglyGuyHotWife always deserves]] [[Literature/BeautyAndTheBeast the whole deal, but the fans conveniently forget that Laurie pushed his feelings on Jo to the point of, as said above, getting himself refused by her ''twice''. So Laurie can do whatever he wants and he doesn't get blamed, but Amy is to be shamed and hated for everything? Meeep.
** There's a subset of fans that totally demonise Professor Fritz Bhaer to make Laurie look as a better option. One
girl, right?]] Granted one can understand being uncomfortable the appeal, since Quasimodo is also made to be much more sympathetic than he was in the book, but still the way shippers talk about Esmeralda makes her sound like a complete and utter harpy who cares nothing for the poor guy's feelings. [[spoiler:Apparently holding him up from falling to his death off of the cathedral while Frollo advances with the age difference (Fritz is 15 years older than Jo), but calling Fritz "creepy" and "possessive" and "asshole who talks down to Jo and holds her back a sword doesn't count for her, nor does saving him from pursuing her dreams" when he's ''nothing'' like that... sheeesh.death at the Gypsy court.]]
* ''Literature/TheHungerGames'' contains an in-universe example: President Snow threatens to ''kill'' Gale if he stands in the way of Katniss' romance with Peeta, whom he has his motives in-universe for making everyone in Panem ship together.



* A part of the ''Literature/{{Twilight}}'' fandom sees Edward as a [[ManipulativeBastard manipulative]] StalkerWithACrush and would rather see Bella end up with [[FanPreferredCouple Jacob]], [[DoggedNiceGuy Mike]], [[LesYay Alice]], etc. Meanwhile, another part of the fandom sees Bella as a MarySue who should die in a fire so that Jacob and Edward can get their FoeYay on... or die for [[CrackPairing Tyler's Van/Bella]], according to the {{Hatedom}}.
** Here's a fun drinking game: head to FF.net, flip over to the ''Twilight'' Section, and take a shot every time you find a fanfiction in which Bella dies/is made spiteful so a [[MarySue Mary Sue]] can hook up with Edward. You will die in seven pages.

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* A part Amy March from ''Literature/LittleWomen'' is universally hated for "stealing" Theodore "Laurie" Lawrence from her older sister Josephine aka Jo. This hatred can even be seen in films of the ''Literature/{{Twilight}}'' fandom sees Edward as book: the writers don't change the ending to Jo/Laurie, but they show Amy in a [[ManipulativeBastard manipulative]] StalkerWithACrush bad light (removing her extreme tact and would elegance in the 1994 version, for instance) and don't include quite nice scenes between her and Laurie (like his rather see Bella end up cute marriage proposal to her) with this same intention. This is especially stupid and/or funny given that Jo rejected Laurie twice, did ''everything'' to stop him from proposing -- including leaving home -- and wanted him to marry one of her sisters (Meg in the first volume, Beth in the second). Jo chose another guy and had a happy marriage (with the bonus that the guy, Professor Fritz Bhaer, was her BigBrotherMentor and beta reader too), but the [[FanPreferredCouple Jacob]], [[DoggedNiceGuy Mike]], [[LesYay Alice]], etc. Meanwhile, another part fandom who still prefers her with Laurie]] is as strong today as it was over a hundred years ago when [[WriterRevolt the writer revolted]]... because [[MisaimedFandom even BACK THEN the shippers were more worried about who would Jo marry, than Jo's own development as a character]].
** There is also quite the DoubleStandard, as Amy is called all kinds of gendered insults and blamed for the whole deal, but the fans conveniently forget that Laurie pushed his feelings on Jo to the point of, as said above, getting himself refused by her ''twice''. So Laurie can do whatever he wants and he doesn't get blamed, but Amy is apparently to be shamed and hated for everything.
** There's a subset of fans that totally demonise Professor Fritz Bhaer to make Laurie look as a better option. One can understand being uncomfortable with the age difference (Fritz is 15 years older than Jo), but calling Fritz "creepy" and "possessive" and "asshole who talks down to Jo and holds her back from pursuing her dreams" when he's ''nothing'' like that in canon.
* ''Literature/MemoirsOfAGeisha'': Wendy Bateman wrote [[http://rationalargumentator.com/issue44/nihilismgeisha.html an entire essay]] arguing that Sayuri wasn't ''really'' happy in her relationship with the Chairman- contradicting Sayuri's own narration- to support Sayuri/Nobu. She goes so far as to attack the author, claiming that Sayuri's fate is a "project[ion] of his own self-hatred."
-->'''Essay:''' Sayuri herself demonstrates her lack of self-respect by choosing an objectively inferior, superstitious man who is her "destiny" (the Chairman) over a strong, kind, virtuous entrepreneur (Nobu).
* ''Literature/TheMortalInstruments'':
** Poor Aline. She [[spoiler: consensually kisses Jace ''once'', while he and Clary are still convinced they're siblings, and promptly decides that he's not her type]], is a fairly kind person overall (albeit one with no brain-to-mouth filter), and [[spoiler: it's implied that she's trying to figure out if she's a lesbian, or possibly even asexual]] - yet she is ''constantly'' turned into a cruel, backstabbing, relationship-smashing harpy who gets between Clary and Jace, especially in AU fanfics.\\
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The release of ''City of Lost Souls'' helped the problem a little - [[spoiler: it was confirmed that Aline was lesbian,]] and none
of the fandom sees Bella characters felt any hatred to her.
** Kaelie gets this treatment too even though she only appeared twice and doesn't show any interest in Jace at all. Usually in AU's she gets the same treatment
as a MarySue who should die Aline, in a fire so series we know that Jacob Faeries don't care much for humans.
* In the ''Literature/PercyJacksonAndTheOlympians'' fandom, [[FieryRedhead Rachel Elizabeth Dare]] is subject to alarmingly intense hatred
and Edward can get their FoeYay on... or die bashing from many particularly hostile Percy/Annabeth shippers for [[CrackPairing Tyler's Van/Bella]], according to having a crush on Percy. The hate only eased up when [[spoiler:she became the {{Hatedom}}.
Oracle's new host and dumped Percy, since being the Oracle means she has to be celibate, sinking the possibility of Percy/Rachel for good]].
** Here's a fun drinking game: head to FF.net, flip It also carries over to the ''Twilight'' Section, SequelSeries, ''Literature/TheHeroesOfOlympus''. Piper and take a shot every time you find a fanfiction in which Bella dies/is made spiteful so a [[MarySue Mary Sue]] can hook up Reyna are unpopular with Edward. You will die in seven pages.some Jason/Reyna and Jason/Piper fans, respectively. And after the release of ''House of Hades'', [[spoiler:Calypso]] wasn't well-liked by several Leo/Reyna shippers.



** ''Theatre/LoveNeverDies'', Creator/AndrewLloydWebber's sequel to his musical version of the story (which popularized sympathetic takes on the Phantom), actually makes Raoul an alcoholic gambler who emotionally neglects Christine and their son Gustave. [[spoiler: Gustave is Christine and the Phantom's child, due to a one-night stand they had the night before the wedding; the whole show builds up to Christine deciding the Phantom is her true love.]] Needless to say, a lot of fans were ''not'' happy seeing DieForOurShip [[DerailingLoveInterests making its way]] [[BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor into the printed page]].
** However, the fact that ''Theatre/LoveNeverDies'' is responsible for making the Phantom more sympathetic is... arguable. It probably all started back in the Gerard Butler days...
* ''Literature/TheDresdenFiles'': Harry/Murphy, [[StuffedInTheFridge Harry/Susan]] and [[UnluckyChildhoodFriend Harry/Elaine]] shippers did not like Luccio. Though that became pretty much moot with developments in later books that effectively torpedoed the Harry/Luccio relationship.
** God alone knows what will happen if Molly gets together with Harry (Harry seems to have sunk it though). Or worse, Ramirez

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** ''Theatre/LoveNeverDies'', Creator/AndrewLloydWebber's sequel to his musical version of the story (which popularized sympathetic takes on the Phantom), actually makes did this trope in canon by making Raoul an alcoholic gambler who emotionally neglects Christine and their son Gustave. [[spoiler: Gustave is Christine and the Phantom's child, due to a one-night stand they had the night before the wedding; the whole show builds up to Christine deciding the Phantom is her true love.]] Needless to say, a lot of fans were ''not'' happy seeing DieForOurShip [[DerailingLoveInterests making its way]] [[BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor into the printed page]].
* In ''Literature/SherlockHolmes'' fanfic, Mary Morstan usually doesn't get demonized, but Holmes/Watson shippers will sometimes go out of their way to argue that Watson never really loved her. Which is somewhat eyebrow-raising given that a) Mary dies anyway a few years later, and b) their getting-together was not a casual, easy thing, but went through a fairly tense stage of TwiceShy IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy during which Watson desperately and unsuccessfully tried to quash his feelings for her to bring himself peace of mind.
** However, the It does occur in a round-about way, though: they often try to argue that Watson was always "neglecting" his wife by going out with Holmes while she was always nagging him to always be sitting at home with her...which isn't once mentioned in canon, and in fact that ''Theatre/LoveNeverDies'' is responsible for making the Phantom more sympathetic is... arguable. It probably all started back in one story Mary ''encourages'' Watson to go help Holmes on a case because she wants him to have some fun! Granted, Mary barely appears in the Gerard Butler days...stories, but still -- assuming that Mary was a jealous boring shrew with no evidence to back it up, while ignoring the evidence to contradict it.
* ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'', with its CrapsackWorld, rarely has characters whom fans kill off ''merely'' for a ship's sake (for example, Cersei can die not just for Jaime and Brienne to hook up but also to make space for someone more competent on the throne), but there still are a few straight examples.

* ''Literature/TheDresdenFiles'': Harry/Murphy, [[StuffedInTheFridge Harry/Susan]] ** Selyse Baratheon who rarely makes it beyond the fifth chapter in Stannis/anyone else fics. Melisandre, Stannis' other canon partner and [[UnluckyChildhoodFriend Harry/Elaine]] very hard to kill, can just vanish from the plot if she isn't paired with him.
** Sandor Clegane sometimes gets it from the
shippers did not like Luccio. Though of Sansa/anyone else.
** In cases of Sansa/anyone but himself, Tyrion Lannister usually [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy graciously annuls the marriage]]. However, if the plot is set in the timeline around book three and Sansa is to be paired with Jaime or Tywin (or, on rare occasions, Willas Tyrell), Tyrion very frequently either gets beheaded [[spoiler:for Joffrey's murder]] or just dies randomly.
** Brandon Stark is a weird example where this happens to a character
that has already literally [[DieForOurShip Died For Our Ship]] in the text. In canon, he was betrothed to Catelyn, and when he died she was betrothed to Ned in his place, which proved to be a PerfectlyArrangedMarriage. However in [[AlternateUniverse AU]] fics where he survives, he's usually portrayed as an at best unfaithful and at worst abusive husband to Cat, usually to justify her cheating on him with Ned. Granted, Brandon is described as being a womaniser in the books, so it's not completely unfounded, but he was also gallant enough to get himself killed trying to rescue his sister and father, so he couldn't have been all bad.
** A sort of inverted example can occur with the people who bash the Rhaegar/Lyanna pairing because they are fans of Elia Martell (or rather, their own idea of Elia, because she gets very little characterization in the books.) It can’t really be considered Die For Our Ship, because they hate Rhaegar and don't ship him with Elia, but they still loath the pairing because it hurts Elia. Sometimes, the pairing will even be called "statuatory rape" despite the fact that these same people often have no problem shipping Sansa with adult men. Alternatively, Lyanna will be demonized.
* Many fans of the ''[[Literature/TheSookieStackhouseMysteries Sookie Stackhouse]]'' series take this trope to disturbing extremes in their devotion to Eric Northman, one of Sookie's main love interests. ''Any'' character is likely become a target if they either behave negatively toward Eric or show a romantic interest in Sookie; Bill Compton gets the worst of it for [[Main/TheFirstCutIsTheDeepest obvious]] [[Main/NearRapeExperience reasons]], but Sookie herself gets a lot of hate for initially rejecting Eric and otherwise not being "good enough" for him. No matter what Eric does, the fans always come up with ways to justify it to a point where even if he outright sexually assaults Sookie in a fanfic, many fans will blame Sookie for it and sympathize with Eric for being driven to such an extreme. Characters who are portrayed sympathetically can be expected to spend a lot of time [[Main/CharacterShilling talking about how great Eric is]] and encouraging Sookie to concede to Eric's desires, even characters who've had nothing good to say about him in canon.
** Things came to a head when the last book in the series came out and [[spoiler:Sookie ended up with [[Main/ThirdOptionLoveInterest Sam Merlotte]] after Eric decided to marry another woman for [[Main/ArrangedMarriage political reasons]]. Many readers were shocked when Eric demanded that Sookie become his mistress,
became pretty much moot angry at her flat refusal, then lamented not having [[Main/FateWorseThanDeath turned her without her consent]] earlier in their relationship.]] This really shouldn't have come as such a surprise given the foreshadowing and Eric's [[Main/ImmortalityImmorality intensely]] [[Main/IDidWhatIHadToDo pragmatic]] [[Main/ManipulativeBastard personality]], but many fans declared it to be completely out of character and decided to [[Main/FanonDiscontinuity ignore the last book altogether]]. Indeed, many an epic has been written for the express purpose of providing a "proper" ending to the series, following a long-running tradition wherein fans would write stories after each book to put a positive spin on the latest of Eric's not-so-savoury actions.
* The Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse had this for a while
with developments in later books Callista. Never mind that effectively torpedoed the Harry/Luccio relationship.
** God alone knows what will happen if Molly
Luke gets together with Harry (Harry seems [[ChickMagnet a new girlfriend in just about every installment]], it was hard to find a Luke/Mara fic that didn't include a TakeThat against Callista. Fans didn't want her to just disappear, but die, preferably at Luke's hands. [[spoiler:They got their wish when ''Literature/FateOfTheJedi'' revealed her to have sunk been [[YouWillBeAssimilated assimilated]] by an EldritchAbomination and Luke {{Mercy Kill}}s her.]]
* Portions of the ''Literature/{{Temeraire}}'' fandom regard Jane Roland as a jaded harpy incapable of love and thus unworthy of Will Laurence. The creepy part is the overlap with the Laurence[=/=]Emily (yes, as in Jane's ''daughter'') 'shippers.
* A part of the ''Literature/{{Twilight}}'' fandom sees Edward as a [[ManipulativeBastard manipulative]] StalkerWithACrush and would rather see Bella end up with [[FanPreferredCouple Jacob]], [[DoggedNiceGuy Mike]], [[LesYay Alice]], etc. Meanwhile, another part of the fandom sees Bella as a MarySue who should die in a fire so that Jacob and Edward can get their FoeYay on... or die for [[CrackPairing Tyler's Van/Bella]], according to the {{Hatedom}}.
** Here's a fun drinking game: head to FF.net, flip over to the ''Twilight'' Section, and take a shot every time you find a fanfiction in which Bella dies/is made spiteful so a [[MarySue Mary Sue]] can hook up with Edward. You will die in seven pages.
* ''Literature/VampireAcademy'':
** Lissa gets bashed by Rose/Christian shippers. In Rose/Christian fanfictions, Lissa sleeps with everybody, is jealous of Rose, and uses compulsion without a second thought, while in canon, Lissa's nice, responsible, not at all jealous of Rose, and feels rather guilty whenever she has to use compulsion. Heck, Lissa gets the same treatment even in some Rose/Dimitri fanfictions since ''Spirit Bound'' came out.
** Tasha also gets a lot of this. She shows some interest in Dimitri in ''Frostbite'' and asks him to be her guardian [[spoiler:which he refuses]] and has been bashed ever since. Despite the fact she's incredibly nice. [[spoiler:Though
it though). Or worse, Ramirezis kind of justified when you get to the end of ''Last Sacrifice''...]]
** Adrian gets hit by this pretty hard by Rose/Dimitri shippers.
** Then there are the Rose/Lissa shippers that have tendencies to demonize Christian and Dimitri (and Adrian to some extent). The amount of HoYay Lissa and Rose have canonically does not help.



* OlderThanRadio: Despite no internet presence, this happened in the fandom of Sir Walter Scott's ''Literature/{{Ivanhoe}}'', in which the hero marries his VictoriousChildhoodFriend Rowena rather than Rebecca, who has spent the entire book supporting and pining for him. Two other books, William Makepeace Thackeray's "Rebecca and Rowena" (1850) and Edgar Eager's "Knight's Castle" (1956), attempt to "[[ExternalRetcon correct]]" this ending in favor of an Ivanhoe/Rebecca ship. Interestingly enough, especially given the times in which it was written (when intermarriage was simply unthought of), Scott's fans were so disappointed with his choice, and sent him so many angry letters about it, they forced him to tell them in the preface of a future edition that it would have been impossible for Rebecca to have married Ivanhoe, [[{{MST3K Mantra}} that it's just a book, and they should really just relax]].
* ''Literature/TheHunchbackOfNotreDame'' fandom kind of fits this trope. The fandom mostly consists of Frollo/Esmeralda shippers (no matter what adaptation, though most commonly the novel and the Disney version) who are more than happy to get rid of Phoebus to see this ''impossible'' ship happen (Obsessed Stalker-Priest who gets deep sexual urges for the beautiful yet Oh So Dumb Gypsy Girl (who is completely pissed at/terrified of said Priest) DOES NOT EQUAL LOVE). However, as improbable as this pairing is, even people who ''don't'' ship it are usually more than happy to have Phoebus die in fandomland.
** However, this trope applies best to the Disney version, where Esmeralda/Phoebus is actually a canon couple, Phoebus is NOT a complete jerkass and instead falls in love with Esme for real. Yet the Disney fanbase is also rabidly in love with Frollo/Esmeralda - never mind how evil Frollo is in comparison to the original - and loves to write off Disney!Phoebus for the sake of their ship.
** There are also those who ship Quasi/Esmeralda because the hero [[UglyGuyHotWife always deserves]] [[Literature/BeautyAndTheBeast the girl, right?]] Granted one can understand the appeal, since Quasimodo is also made to be much more sympathetic than he was in the book, but still the way shippers talk about Esmeralda makes her sound like a complete and utter harpy who cares nothing for the poor guy's feelings. [[spoiler:Apparently holding him up from falling to his death off of the cathedral while Frollo advances with a sword doesn't count for her, nor does saving him from death at the Gypsy court.]]
* The Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse had this for a while with Callista. Never mind that Luke gets [[ChickMagnet a new girlfriend in just about every installment]], it was hard to find a Luke/Mara fic that didn't include a TakeThat against Callista. Fans didn't want her to just disappear, but die, preferably at Luke's hands. [[spoiler:They got their wish when ''Literature/FateOfTheJedi'' revealed her to have been [[YouWillBeAssimilated assimilated]] by an EldritchAbomination and Luke {{Mercy Kill}}s her.]]
* Portions of the Literature/{{Temeraire}} fandom regard Jane Roland as a jaded harpy incapable of love and thus unworthy of Will Laurence. The creepy part is the overlap with the Laurence[=/=]Emily (yes, as in Jane's ''daughter'') 'shippers.
* ''Literature/VampireAcademy'':
** Lissa gets bashed by Rose/Christian shippers. In Rose/Christian fanfictions, Lissa sleeps with everybody, is jealous of Rose, and uses compulsion without a second thought, while in canon, Lissa's nice, responsible, not at all jealous of Rose, and feels rather guilty whenever she has to use compulsion. Heck, Lissa gets the same treatment even in some Rose/Dimitri fanfictions since ''Spirit Bound'' came out.
** Tasha also gets a lot of this. She shows some interest in Dimitri in ''Frostbite'' and asks him to be her guardian [[spoiler:which he refuses]] and has been bashed ever since. Despite the fact she's incredibly nice. [[spoiler:Though it is kind of justified when you get to the end of ''Last Sacrifice''...]]
** Adrian gets hit by this pretty hard by Rose/Dimitri shippers.
** Then there are the Rose/Lissa shippers that have tendencies to demonize Christian and Dimitri (and Adrian to some extent). The amount of HoYay Lissa and Rose have canonically does not help.
** Let's not even get into the mess that is the spin-off series ''Bloodlines''. Especially after The Golden Lily came out.



* ''Literature/The39Clues'':
** Many fans ship [[FanPreferredCouple Ian/Amy]], and many of the more militant shippers are not hesitant to cook up a batch of bashing and RevengeFic for [[GirlOfTheWeek Kurt]] and [[SecondLove Evan]] [[OfficialCouple Tolliver]].
** Some shippers of [[FanPreferredCouple Hamilton/]][[ShipsThatPassInTheNight Sinead]] do not take kindly to other ships involving either of those characters.
* In the ''Literature/PercyJacksonAndTheOlympians'' fandom, [[FieryRedhead Rachel Elizabeth Dare]] is subject to alarmingly intense hatred and bashing from many particularly hostile Percy/Annabeth shippers for having a crush on Percy. The hate only eased up when [[spoiler:she became the Oracle's new host and dumped Percy, since being the Oracle means she has to be celibate, sinking the possibility of Percy/Rachel for good]].
** It also carries over to the SequelSeries, ''Literature/TheHeroesOfOlympus''. Piper and Reyna are unpopular with some Jason/Reyna and Jason/Piper fans, respectively. And after the release of ''House of Hades'', [[spoiler:Calypso]] wasn't well-liked by several Leo/Reyna shippers.
* ''Literature/TheHungerGames'' contains an in-universe example: President Snow threatens to ''kill'' Gale if he stands in the way of Katniss' romance with Peeta, whom he has his motives in-universe for making everyone in Panem ship together.
* An in-universe example from ''Literature/AubreyMaturin''. [[spoiler: Stephen's wife Diana is killed 'off screen' in a carriage accident. While it initially seems like a way to allow a romance between Stephen and Clarissa Oakes, she ends up being a romantic red herring. A book or two later the real direction is revealed with Clarissa married to another man, and Stephen asks for Christine Wood to marry him.]]
* The prevailing ship in ''Literature/BridgeToTerabithia'' fandom is Jess/Leslie, and by that we mean literally the entire fandom ships it. A number of shippers of this pairing, however, are hostile to Julia Edmunds, Jess's HotTeacher, since Jess's PrecociousCrush on her ultimately causes the ContrivedCoincidence that [[spoiler:gets Leslie killed]].
* ''Literature/TheMortalInstruments'':
** Poor Aline. She [[spoiler: consensually kisses Jace ''once'', while he and Clary are still convinced they're siblings, and promptly decides that he's not her type]], is a fairly kind person overall (albeit one with no brain-to-mouth filter), and [[spoiler: it's implied that she's trying to figure out if she's a lesbian, or possibly even asexual]] - yet she is ''constantly'' turned into a cruel, backstabbing, relationship-smashing harpy who gets between Clary and Jace, especially in AU fanfics.\\
\\
The release of ''City of Lost Souls'' helped the problem a little - [[spoiler: it was confirmed that Aline was lesbian,]] and none of the characters felt any hatred to her.
** Kaelie gets this treatment too even though she only appeared twice and doesn't show any interest in Jace at all. Usually in AU's she gets the same treatment as Aline, in series we know that Faeries don't care much for humans.
* In SherlockHolmes fanfic, Mary Morstan usually doesn't get demonized, but Holmes/Watson shippers will sometimes go out of their way to argue that Watson never really loved her. Which is somewhat eyebrow-raising given that a) Mary dies anyway a few years later, and b) their getting-together was not a casual, easy thing, but went through a fairly tense stage of TwiceShy IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy during which Watson desperately and unsuccessfully tried to quash his feelings for her to bring himself peace of mind.
** It does occur in a round-about way, though: they often try to argue that Watson was always "neglecting" his wife by going out with Holmes while she was always nagging him to always be sitting at home with her...which isn't once mentioned in canon, and in fact in one story Mary ''encourages'' Watson to go help Holmes on a case because she wants him to have some fun! Granted, Mary barely appears in the stories, but still -- assuming that Mary was a jealous boring shrew with no evidence to back it up, while ignoring the evidence to contradict it.
* Many fans of the ''[[Literature/TheSookieStackhouseMysteries Sookie Stackhouse]]'' series take this trope to disturbing extremes in their devotion to Eric Northman, one of Sookie's main love interests. ''Any'' character is likely become a target if they either behave negatively toward Eric or show a romantic interest in Sookie; Bill Compton gets the worst of it for [[Main/TheFirstCutIsTheDeepest obvious]] [[Main/NearRapeExperience reasons]], but Sookie herself gets a lot of hate for initially rejecting Eric and otherwise not being "good enough" for him. No matter what Eric does, the fans always come up with ways to justify it to a point where even if he outright sexually assaults Sookie in a fanfic, many fans will blame Sookie for it and sympathize with Eric for being driven to such an extreme. Characters who are portrayed sympathetically can be expected to spend a lot of time [[Main/CharacterShilling talking about how great Eric is]] and encouraging Sookie to concede to Eric's desires, even characters who've had nothing good to say about him in canon. Things came to a head when the last book in the series came out and [[spoiler:Sookie ended up with [[Main/ThirdOptionLoveInterest Sam Merlotte]] after Eric decided to marry another woman for [[Main/ArrangedMarriage political reasons]]. Many readers were shocked when Eric demanded that Sookie become his mistress, became angry at her flat refusal, then lamented not having [[Main/FateWorseThanDeath turned her without her consent]] earlier in their relationship.]] This really shouldn't have come as such a surprise given the foreshadowing and Eric's [[Main/ImmortalityImmorality intensely]] [[Main/IDidWhatIHadToDo pragmatic]] [[Main/ManipulativeBastard personality]], but many fans declared it to be completely out of character and decided to [[Main/FanonDiscontinuity ignore the last book altogether]]. Indeed, many an epic has been written for the express purpose of providing a "proper" ending to the series, following a long-running tradition wherein fans would write stories after each book to put a positive spin on the latest of Eric's not-so-savoury actions.
* ''Literature/MemoirsOfAGeisha'': Wendy Bateman wrote [[http://rationalargumentator.com/issue44/nihilismgeisha.html an entire essay]] arguing that Sayuri wasn't ''really'' happy in her relationship with the Chairman- contradicting Sayuri's own narration- to support Sayuri/Nobu. She goes so far as to attack the author, claiming that Sayuri's fate is a "project[ion] of his own self-hatred."
-->'''Essay:''' Sayuri herself demonstrates her lack of self-respect by choosing an objectively inferior, superstitious man who is her "destiny" (the Chairman) over a strong, kind, virtuous entrepreneur (Nobu).
* ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'', with its CrapsackWorld, rarely has characters whom fans kill off ''merely'' for a ship's sake (for example, Cersei can die not just for Jaime and Brienne to hook up but also to make space for someone more competent on the throne), but there still are a few straight examples.
** Selyse Baratheon who rarely makes it beyond the fifth chapter in Stannis/anyone else fics. Melisandre, Stannis' other canon partner and very hard to kill, can just vanish from the plot if she isn't paired with him.
** Sandor Clegane sometimes gets it from the shippers of Sansa/anyone else.
** In cases of Sansa/anyone but himself, Tyrion Lannister usually [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy graciously annuls the marriage]]. However, if the plot is set in the timeline around book three and Sansa is to be paired with Jaime or Tywin (or, on rare occasions, Willas Tyrell), Tyrion very frequently either gets beheaded [[spoiler:for Joffrey's murder]] or just dies randomly.
** Brandon Stark is a weird example where this happens to a character that has already literally [[DieForOurShip Died For Our Ship]] in the text. In canon, he was betrothed to Catelyn, and when he died she was betrothed to Ned in his place, which proved to be a PerfectlyArrangedMarriage. However in [[AlternateUniverse AU]] fics where he survives, he's usually portrayed as an at best unfaithful and at worst abusive husband to Cat, usually to justify her cheating on him with Ned. Granted, Brandon is described as being a womaniser in the books, so it's not completely unfounded, but he was also gallant enough to get himself killed trying to rescue his sister and father, so he couldn't have been all bad.
** A sort of inverted example can occur with the people who bash the Rhaegar/Lyanna pairing because they are fans of Elia Martell (or rather, their own idea of Elia, because she gets very little characterization in the books.) It can’t really be considered Die For Our Ship, because they hate Rhaegar and don't ship him with Elia, but they still loath the pairing because it hurts Elia. Sometimes, the pairing will even be called "statuatory rape" despite the fact that these same people often have no problem shipping Sansa with adult men. Alternatively, Lyanna will be demonized.
* ''Literature/HannahSwensen'': The shipping wars over which man Hannah should choose - the average looking yet warm and supportive dentist Norman Rhodes and the strong, sexy, yet sometimes patronizing policeman Mike Kingston - took a turn for this when Hannah chose Ross Barton, her old college boyfriend. As it turns out, the fans got their wish in two different ways, first when he disappeared on Hannah after their honeymoon and was discovered to have still been legally married to his first wife, and second when he turned up dead by the end of ''Chocolate Cream Pie Murder'' at the hands of a then-unidentified assailant.

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** Ron is loathed by many Hermione/anyone other than him shippers (especially those that prefer her with Harry or Draco), with the general complaint amongst them being that they feel Hermione [[NoAccountingForTaste is too good for Ron]](Even if Draco is worse than ron in canon, a fact a lot of fans of Dramione [[DracoInLeatherPants forget]]) and could do better than him. And still others are just simply not fans of BelligerentSexualTension types of relationships.
*** DracoInLeatherPants and RonTheDeathEater are [[TropeNamer named]] about Ron and Draco because of this trope. How can you explain Hermione dumping Ron (who is in canon at worst a JerkWithAHeartOfGold and is always [[TrueCompanions someone Harry and Hermione can trust]] even if it can be dangerous) for Draco Malfoy, who is a Jerkass, a DirtyCoward, [[UngratefulBastard really ungratful even if you save his life]] and has no problem about being an asshole [[FantasticRacism just because you are a muggleborn]] and call them mudblood (an magic equivalent of the N-word)? Awser: You change their personalities, so that Draco became the NiceGuy and Ron TookALevelInJerkass

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** Ron is loathed by many Hermione/anyone other than him shippers (especially those that prefer her with Harry or Draco), with the general complaint amongst them being that they feel Hermione [[NoAccountingForTaste is too good for Ron]](Even if Draco is worse than ron in canon, a fact a lot of fans of Dramione [[DracoInLeatherPants forget]]) Ron]] and could do better than him. And still others are just simply not fans of BelligerentSexualTension types of relationships.
*** DracoInLeatherPants and RonTheDeathEater are [[TropeNamer named]] about Ron and Draco because of this trope. How can you explain Hermione dumping Ron (who is in canon at worst a JerkWithAHeartOfGold and is always [[TrueCompanions someone Harry and Hermione can trust]] even if it can be dangerous) for Draco Malfoy, who is a Jerkass, a DirtyCoward, [[UngratefulBastard really ungratful even if you save his life]] and has no problem about being an asshole [[FantasticRacism just because you are a muggleborn]] and call them mudblood (an magic equivalent of the N-word)? Awser: You change their personalities, so that Draco became the NiceGuy and Ron TookALevelInJerkass
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