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9th Feb '16 3:34:08 PM Adept
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* OlderThanRadio: While it may not have an active ''internet'' fandom, trope happens to Sir Walter Scott's ''Literature/{{Ivanhoe}}'', in which the hero marries his VictoriousChildhoodFriend Rowena rather than Rebecca, who has spent the entire book supporting and pining for him. Two other books, [[VanityFair William Makepeace Thackeray]]'s "Rebecca and Rowena" (1850) and Edgar Eager's "Knight's Castle" (1956), attempt to "[[ExternalRetcon correct]]" this ending in favor of an Ivanhoe/Rebecca ship. Interestingly enough, especially given the times in which it was written (when intermarriage was simply unthought of), Scott's fans were so disappointed with his choice, and sent him so many angry letters about it, they forced him to tell them in the preface of a future edition that it would have been impossible for Rebecca to have married Ivanhoe, [[{{MST3K Mantra}} that it's just a book, and they should really just relax]].

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* OlderThanRadio: While it may not have an active ''internet'' fandom, trope happens to Sir Walter Scott's ''Literature/{{Ivanhoe}}'', in which the hero marries his VictoriousChildhoodFriend Rowena rather than Rebecca, who has spent the entire book supporting and pining for him. Two other books, [[VanityFair William Makepeace Thackeray]]'s Thackeray's "Rebecca and Rowena" (1850) and Edgar Eager's "Knight's Castle" (1956), attempt to "[[ExternalRetcon correct]]" this ending in favor of an Ivanhoe/Rebecca ship. Interestingly enough, especially given the times in which it was written (when intermarriage was simply unthought of), Scott's fans were so disappointed with his choice, and sent him so many angry letters about it, they forced him to tell them in the preface of a future edition that it would have been impossible for Rebecca to have married Ivanhoe, [[{{MST3K Mantra}} that it's just a book, and they should really just relax]].
30th Oct '15 11:59:26 AM katethegr8
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*** I think seven pages is giving a little too much credit...
**** Amendment. A hardy six foot four Scotsman will be dead in seven pages, everyone else in less than half that.
16th Sep '15 8:54:59 AM Red-Dead-Redeemer
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16th Sep '15 8:53:15 AM Red-Dead-Redeemer
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** After it was revealed that James Potter was a JerkJock in his youth, he suffered this instantaneously overnight in favor of Snape/Lily who refuse to see Snape's (self-aknowledged) faults and fuck-ups to insist that James was an evil asshole who somehow forced PluckyGirl Lily to marry him. Similarly, many Snape fans bash '''Lily''' herself for daring to break off her (rather toxic at that rate) friendship with Snape after he caled her a "mudblood", blaming her for the incident and insisting that she owed him vagina, uh, affection just because he was obsessively in love with her.

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** After it was revealed that James Potter was a JerkJock in his youth, he suffered this instantaneously overnight in favor of Snape/Lily who refuse to see Snape's (self-aknowledged) faults and fuck-ups to insist that James was an evil asshole who somehow forced PluckyGirl Lily to marry him. Similarly, many Snape fans bash '''Lily''' herself for daring to break off her (rather toxic at that rate) friendship with Snape after he caled called her a "mudblood", blaming her for the incident and insisting that she owed him vagina, uh, affection just because he was obsessively in love with her.
5th Sep '15 11:01:57 AM Morgenthaler
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* Many fans of the ''[[Literature/TheSookieStackhouseMysteries Sookie Stackhouse]]'' series take this trope to disturbing extremes in their devotion to [[Main/MemeticSexGod Eric Northman]], one of Sookie's main love interests. ''Any'' character is likely become a target if they either behave negatively toward Eric or show a romantic interest in Sookie; Bill Compton gets the worst of it for [[Main/TheFirstCutIsTheDeepest obvious]] [[Main/NearRapeExperience reasons]], but Sookie herself gets a lot of hate for initially rejecting Eric and otherwise not being "good enough" for him. No matter what Eric does, the fans always come up with ways to justify it to a point where even if he outright sexually assaults Sookie in a fanfic, many fans will blame Sookie for it and sympathize with Eric for being driven to such an extreme. Characters who are portrayed sympathetically can be expected to spend a lot of time [[Main/CharacterShilling talking about how great Eric is]] and encouraging Sookie to concede to Eric's desires, even characters who've had nothing good to say about him in canon. Things came to a head when the last book in the series came out and [[spoiler:Sookie ended up with [[Main/ThirdOptionLoveInterest Sam Merlotte]] after Eric decided to marry another woman for [[Main/ArrangedMarriage political reasons]]. Many readers were shocked when Eric demanded that Sookie become his mistress, became angry at her flat refusal, then lamented not having [[Main/FateWorseThanDeath turned her without her consent]] earlier in their relationship.]] This really shouldn't have come as such a surprise given the foreshadowing and Eric's [[Main/ImmortalityImmorality intensely]] [[Main/IDidWhatIHadToDo pragmatic]] [[Main/ManipulativeBastard personality]], but many fans declared it to be completely out of character and decided to [[Main/FanonDiscontinuity ignore the last book altogether]]. Indeed, many an epic has been written for the express purpose of providing a "proper" ending to the series, following a long-running tradition wherein fans would write stories after each book to put a positive spin on the latest of Eric's not-so-savoury actions.

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* Many fans of the ''[[Literature/TheSookieStackhouseMysteries Sookie Stackhouse]]'' series take this trope to disturbing extremes in their devotion to [[Main/MemeticSexGod Eric Northman]], Northman, one of Sookie's main love interests. ''Any'' character is likely become a target if they either behave negatively toward Eric or show a romantic interest in Sookie; Bill Compton gets the worst of it for [[Main/TheFirstCutIsTheDeepest obvious]] [[Main/NearRapeExperience reasons]], but Sookie herself gets a lot of hate for initially rejecting Eric and otherwise not being "good enough" for him. No matter what Eric does, the fans always come up with ways to justify it to a point where even if he outright sexually assaults Sookie in a fanfic, many fans will blame Sookie for it and sympathize with Eric for being driven to such an extreme. Characters who are portrayed sympathetically can be expected to spend a lot of time [[Main/CharacterShilling talking about how great Eric is]] and encouraging Sookie to concede to Eric's desires, even characters who've had nothing good to say about him in canon. Things came to a head when the last book in the series came out and [[spoiler:Sookie ended up with [[Main/ThirdOptionLoveInterest Sam Merlotte]] after Eric decided to marry another woman for [[Main/ArrangedMarriage political reasons]]. Many readers were shocked when Eric demanded that Sookie become his mistress, became angry at her flat refusal, then lamented not having [[Main/FateWorseThanDeath turned her without her consent]] earlier in their relationship.]] This really shouldn't have come as such a surprise given the foreshadowing and Eric's [[Main/ImmortalityImmorality intensely]] [[Main/IDidWhatIHadToDo pragmatic]] [[Main/ManipulativeBastard personality]], but many fans declared it to be completely out of character and decided to [[Main/FanonDiscontinuity ignore the last book altogether]]. Indeed, many an epic has been written for the express purpose of providing a "proper" ending to the series, following a long-running tradition wherein fans would write stories after each book to put a positive spin on the latest of Eric's not-so-savoury actions.
9th Jun '15 1:59:41 PM JoeMerl
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** Pansy often gets this treatment if Draco is paired with someone else, but as of late, there seems to be some tendency to [[{{Averted}} avert]] this among Harry/Draco shippers, who make her more like Draco's close friend.

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** Traditionally Pansy often gets has gotten this treatment if Draco is paired with someone else, but as of late, there seems another girl (which is saying something, because she's not exactly treated kindly by canon either). There does seem to be some a tendency to [[{{Averted}} avert]] this among Harry/Draco shippers, though, who make simply reimagine her more like into being [[LikeBrotherAndSister Draco's close friend.friend]] instead of his girlfriend.
29th Apr '15 10:19:27 AM WildConcerto
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** However, the fact that ''Theater/LoveNeverDies'' is responsible for making the Phantom more sympathetic is... arguable. It probably all started back in the Gerard Butler days...
28th Feb '15 2:58:28 PM RainFairy
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** Militant Harry/Hermione shippers (or "Harmonians" to differentiate from non-militant H/Hr shippers) have become so notorious for their utter demonization of any character who gets in the way of their ship that militant shippers in any other fandom will sometimes be called the Harmonians of the fandom.
** Of course, some fans hate the Harry/Ginny pairing more for what was perceived as lack of build up and lack of "on screen" development between them as a couple rather than for derailing some other preferred ship.

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** Militant Harry/Hermione shippers (or "Harmonians" to differentiate from non-militant H/Hr shippers) have become so notorious for their utter demonization of any character who gets in the way of their ship that militant shippers in any other fandom will sometimes be called the Harmonians of the fandom.
** Of course, some fans hate the Harry/Ginny pairing more for what was perceived as lack of build up and lack of "on screen" development between them as a couple rather than for derailing some other preferred ship.
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** Rodolphus Lestrange seems to be disposable for anyone who ships Bellatrix with, [[LauncherOfAThousandShips well, any other character.]]
*** This has canon justification: WordOfGod said Bellatrix loves Voldemort. Hopeless love, as Voldemort's only attraction is power.

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** Rodolphus Lestrange seems to be disposable for anyone who ships Bellatrix with, [[LauncherOfAThousandShips well, any other character.]]
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]] This has canon justification: WordOfGod said Bellatrix loves Voldemort. Hopeless love, as Voldemort's only attraction is power.



** After it was revealed that James Potter was a JerkJock in his youth, he suffered this instantaneously overnight in favor of Snape/Lily.

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** After it was revealed that James Potter was a JerkJock in his youth, he suffered this instantaneously overnight in favor of Snape/Lily.Snape/Lily who refuse to see Snape's (self-aknowledged) faults and fuck-ups to insist that James was an evil asshole who somehow forced PluckyGirl Lily to marry him. Similarly, many Snape fans bash '''Lily''' herself for daring to break off her (rather toxic at that rate) friendship with Snape after he caled her a "mudblood", blaming her for the incident and insisting that she owed him vagina, uh, affection just because he was obsessively in love with her.



* Amelia Curtis March aka Amy from ''LittleWomen'' is universally hated for "stealing" Theodore "Laurie" Lawrence from her older sister Josephine aka Jo. This hatred can even be seen in films of the book: the writers don't change the ending to Jo/Laurie, but they show Amy in a bad light (removing her extreme tact and elegance in the 1994 version, for instance) and don't include quite nice scenes between her and Laurie (like his rather cute marriage proposal to her) with this same intention. This is especially stupid and/or funny given that Jo rejected Laurie twice, did ''everything'' to stop him from proposing -- including leaving home -- and wanted him to marry one of her sisters (Meg in the first volume, Beth in the second). Jo chose another guy and had a happy marriage (with the bonus that the guy, Professor Fritz Bhaer, was her BigBrotherMentor and beta reader too), but the [[FanPreferredCouple fandom who still prefers her with Laurie]] is as strong today as it was over a hundred years ago when [[WriterRevolt the writer revolted]] because [[MisaimedFandom even BACK THEN the dumb fans worried more about who would Jo marry than about Jo's own development as a character]].

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* Amelia Curtis March aka Amy from ''LittleWomen'' is universally hated for "stealing" Theodore "Laurie" Lawrence from her older sister Josephine aka Jo. This hatred can even be seen in films of the book: the writers don't change the ending to Jo/Laurie, but they show Amy in a bad light (removing her extreme tact and elegance in the 1994 version, for instance) and don't include quite nice scenes between her and Laurie (like his rather cute marriage proposal to her) with this same intention. This is especially stupid and/or funny given that Jo rejected Laurie twice, did ''everything'' to stop him from proposing -- including leaving home -- and wanted him to marry one of her sisters (Meg in the first volume, Beth in the second). Jo chose another guy and had a happy marriage (with the bonus that the guy, Professor Fritz Bhaer, was her BigBrotherMentor and beta reader too), but the [[FanPreferredCouple fandom who still prefers her with Laurie]] is as strong today as it was over a hundred years ago when [[WriterRevolt the writer revolted]] revolted]]... because [[MisaimedFandom even BACK THEN the dumb fans shippers were more worried more about who would Jo marry marry, than about Jo's own development as a character]].



** Actually, there's a subset of fans that totally demonise Professor Bhaer to make Laurie look as a better option. One can sorta understand being uncomfortable with the age difference (Fritz is 15 years older than Jo), but calling Fritz "creepy" and "possessive" and "asshole who talks down to Jo and holds her back from pursuing her dreams" when he's ''nothing'' like that... sheeesh.

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** Actually, there's There's a subset of fans that totally demonise Professor Fritz Bhaer to make Laurie look as a better option. One can sorta understand being uncomfortable with the age difference (Fritz is 15 years older than Jo), but calling Fritz "creepy" and "possessive" and "asshole who talks down to Jo and holds her back from pursuing her dreams" when he's ''nothing'' like that... sheeesh.



** However, this trope applies best to the Disney version, where Esmeralda/Phoebus is actually a canon couple and Phoebus isn't a complete jerkass and instead falls in love with Esme for realz. Yet the Disney fanbase is also rabidly in love with Frollo/Esmeralda - never mind how evil Frollo is in comparison to the original - and loves to write off Disney!Phoebus for the sake of their ship.

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** However, this trope applies best to the Disney version, where Esmeralda/Phoebus is actually a canon couple and couple, Phoebus isn't is NOT a complete jerkass and instead falls in love with Esme for realz.real. Yet the Disney fanbase is also rabidly in love with Frollo/Esmeralda - never mind how evil Frollo is in comparison to the original - and loves to write off Disney!Phoebus for the sake of their ship.
31st Jan '15 10:32:07 PM Argon2
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* ''Literature/MemoirsOfAGeisha'': Wendy Bateman wrote [[http://rationalargumentator.com/issue44/nihilismgeisha.html an entire essay]] arguing that Sayuri wasn't ''really'' happy in her relationship with the Chairman- contradicting Sayuri's own narration- to support Sayuri/Nobu. She goes so far as to attack the author, claiming that Sayuri's fate is a "project[ion] of his own self-hatred."
-->'''Essay:''' Sayuri herself demonstrates her lack of self-respect by choosing an objectively inferior, superstitious man who is her "destiny" (the Chairman) over a strong, kind, virtuous entrepreneur (Nobu).
13th Dec '14 1:18:30 PM MagBas
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** There are also those who ship Quasi/Esmeralda because [[UnfortunateImplications the hero]] [[UglyGuyHotWife always deserves]] [[Literature/BeautyAndTheBeast the girl, right?]] Granted one can understand the appeal, since Quasimodo is also made to be much more sympathetic than he was in the book, but still the way shippers talk about Esmeralda makes her sound like a complete and utter harpy who cares nothing for the poor guy's feelings. [[spoiler:Apparently holding him up from falling to his death off of the cathedral while Frollo advances with a sword doesn't count for her, nor does saving him from death at the Gypsy court.]]

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** There are also those who ship Quasi/Esmeralda because [[UnfortunateImplications the hero]] hero [[UglyGuyHotWife always deserves]] [[Literature/BeautyAndTheBeast the girl, right?]] Granted one can understand the appeal, since Quasimodo is also made to be much more sympathetic than he was in the book, but still the way shippers talk about Esmeralda makes her sound like a complete and utter harpy who cares nothing for the poor guy's feelings. [[spoiler:Apparently holding him up from falling to his death off of the cathedral while Frollo advances with a sword doesn't count for her, nor does saving him from death at the Gypsy court.]]
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