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16th Jan '17 11:28:01 PM ADrago
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* {{@/Fofa}}: I normally love ''Webcomic/AwkwardZombie'', but [[http://awkwardzombie.com/index.php?page=0&comic=091911 this is one strip]] I just can't defend. I never played any of the Professor Layton games and even I know that Layton would never slap Luke in a million years, but besides this, it plays child abuse [[DudeNotFunny for laughs]]. It hasn't stopped me from reading the strip altogether, but it almost did.

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* {{@/Fofa}}: I normally love ''Webcomic/AwkwardZombie'', but [[http://awkwardzombie.com/index.php?page=0&comic=091911 this is one strip]] I just can't defend. I never played any of the Professor Layton games and even I know that Layton would never slap Luke in a million years, but besides this, it plays child abuse [[DudeNotFunny for laughs]].laughs. It hasn't stopped me from reading the strip altogether, but it almost did.



* Tropers/HawkOfCoul: The premise of ''Webcomic/TheWotch'' spinoff, ''WebComic/{{Cheer}}''. Especially the point where [[spoiler: one of the GenderBender cheerleaders remembers everything and decides not to let the other 'girls' know the truth about themselves because [[AssPull they aren't jerks anymore]]. Apart from the gigantic UnfortunateImplications this has (that apparently the only way to stop a man from being a jerk is [[InsaneTrollLogic turning him into a woman]]) you can do whatever you want with yourself, you sexist freak, but doing it for the others as well?]] It's not your decision to make!

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* Tropers/HawkOfCoul: The premise of ''Webcomic/TheWotch'' spinoff, ''WebComic/{{Cheer}}''. Especially the point where [[spoiler: one of the GenderBender cheerleaders remembers everything and decides not to let the other 'girls' know the truth about themselves because [[AssPull they aren't jerks anymore]]. Apart from the gigantic UnfortunateImplications offensive implications this has (that apparently the only way to stop a man from being a jerk is [[InsaneTrollLogic turning him into a woman]]) you can do whatever you want with yourself, you sexist freak, but doing it for the others as well?]] It's not your decision to make!
8th Oct '16 9:03:21 PM Mullon
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** @/DontKillBugs: I have been known for being an extraordinarily patient man. I read all of ''Better Days'' and a good chunk of ''Original Life'' before I even knew a Naylor-hatedom existed. I still hold the theory that Fisk joined a completely legal black-ops group, and every single person on earth misinterpreted it. I still do not believe that Naylor and his webcomics are nearly as bad as the people on [[Website/ImageBoard Godammit Freehaven]] insist, and continue to state that said people are the worst trolls I have ever had the misfortune to meet. But when Naylor started a story arc about the [[https://jaynaylor.com/originallife/archives/2011/07/218.html sexual awakening]] of Tommy and Lucy's son Leo at the ripe old age of twelve, I threw up my hands and jumped ship. My respect for Naylor, which had been whithering slowly over the duration of the [[StrawCharacter uber-strawman]] Justice Defender arc, including its utter lack of an ending, finally croaked it and died. Congrats, Freehaven trolls, you finally won.

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** @/DontKillBugs: I have been known for being an extraordinarily patient man. I read all of ''Better Days'' and a good chunk of ''Original Life'' before I even knew a Naylor-hatedom existed. I still hold the theory that Fisk joined a completely legal black-ops group, and every single person on earth misinterpreted it. I still do not believe that Naylor and his webcomics are nearly as bad as the people on [[Website/ImageBoard [[ImageBoard Godammit Freehaven]] insist, and continue to state that said people are the worst trolls I have ever had the misfortune to meet. But when Naylor started a story arc about the [[https://jaynaylor.com/originallife/archives/2011/07/218.html sexual awakening]] of Tommy and Lucy's son Leo at the ripe old age of twelve, I threw up my hands and jumped ship. My respect for Naylor, which had been whithering slowly over the duration of the [[StrawCharacter uber-strawman]] Justice Defender arc, including its utter lack of an ending, finally croaked it and died. Congrats, Freehaven trolls, you finally won.
8th Oct '16 8:02:34 PM Mullon
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** @/DontKillBugs: I have been known for being an extraordinarily patient man. I read all of ''Better Days'' and a good chunk of ''Original Life'' before I even knew a Naylor-hatedom existed. I still hold the theory that Fisk joined a completely legal black-ops group, and every single person on earth misinterpreted it. I still do not believe that Naylor and his webcomics are nearly as bad as the people on [[ImageBoard Godammit Freehaven]] insist, and continue to state that said people are the worst trolls I have ever had the misfortune to meet. But when Naylor started a story arc about the [[https://jaynaylor.com/originallife/archives/2011/07/218.html sexual awakening]] of Tommy and Lucy's son Leo at the ripe old age of twelve, I threw up my hands and jumped ship. My respect for Naylor, which had been whithering slowly over the duration of the [[StrawCharacter uber-strawman]] Justice Defender arc, including its utter lack of an ending, finally croaked it and died. Congrats, Freehaven trolls, you finally won.

to:

** @/DontKillBugs: I have been known for being an extraordinarily patient man. I read all of ''Better Days'' and a good chunk of ''Original Life'' before I even knew a Naylor-hatedom existed. I still hold the theory that Fisk joined a completely legal black-ops group, and every single person on earth misinterpreted it. I still do not believe that Naylor and his webcomics are nearly as bad as the people on [[ImageBoard [[Website/ImageBoard Godammit Freehaven]] insist, and continue to state that said people are the worst trolls I have ever had the misfortune to meet. But when Naylor started a story arc about the [[https://jaynaylor.com/originallife/archives/2011/07/218.html sexual awakening]] of Tommy and Lucy's son Leo at the ripe old age of twelve, I threw up my hands and jumped ship. My respect for Naylor, which had been whithering slowly over the duration of the [[StrawCharacter uber-strawman]] Justice Defender arc, including its utter lack of an ending, finally croaked it and died. Congrats, Freehaven trolls, you finally won.
16th Sep '16 11:57:43 PM Overlord347
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** The author tries to handwave it as "she did it off panel" and "eating beans isn't that hard to do." Okay, first of all, when did she get the opportunity to eat them? Cold was busy tenderizing her right up until she managed to slip away and collapse; am I to believe that she somehow, while being pummeled constantly by fists bigger than her torso, managed to pull a bean out of her glove and put it in her mouth before escaping Cold's barrage of punches? Second, she's fighting at 1,000 times normal gravity! How could she honestly manage to eat those beans in her wrecked state with that kind of force holding her down? And when I say "wrecked" I'm not exaggerating; Cold's first punch had her spitting up blood and when she got away from him, she was a battered, blood-soaked mess that could only stand for a split second before collapsing. She was so weak that her energy could only be sensed with great concentration. I get that she's super strong and all, but I simply cannot believe that she could even move a finger, much less get a bean into her mouth under all that force.

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** The author tries to handwave it as "she did it off panel" and "eating beans isn't that hard to do." Okay, first of all, when did she get the opportunity to eat them? Cold was busy tenderizing her right up until she managed to slip away and collapse; am I to believe that she somehow, while being pummeled constantly by fists bigger than her torso, managed to pull a bean out of her glove and put it in her mouth before escaping Cold's barrage of punches? Second, she's fighting at 1,000 times normal gravity! How could she honestly manage to eat those beans in her wrecked state with that kind of force holding her down? And when I say "wrecked" I'm not exaggerating; Cold's first punch had her spitting up blood and when she got away from him, she was a battered, blood-soaked mess that could only stand for a split second before collapsing. She was so weak that her energy could only be sensed with great concentration. I get that she's super strong and all, but I simply cannot believe that she could even move a finger, much less get a bean into her mouth under all that force.force in her state.
16th Sep '16 11:56:49 PM Overlord347
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** The author tries to handwave it as "she did it off panel" and "eating beans isn't that hard to do." Okay, first of all, when did she get the opportunity to eat them? Cold was busy tenderizing her right up until she managed to slip away and collapse; am I to believe that she somehow, while being pummeled constantly by fists bigger than her torso, managed to pull a bean out of her glove and put it in her mouth before escaping Cold's barrage of punches? Second, she's fighting at 1,000 times normal gravity! How could she honestly manage to eat those beans in her wrecked state with that kind of force holding her down? And when I say "wrecked" I'm not exaggerating; Cold's first punch had her spitting up blood and when she got away from him, she was a battered, blood-soaked mess that could only stand for a split second before collapsing. She was so weak that her energy could only be sensed with great concentration.

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*** Apparently, according to the author, she always has sensu beans on hand. As with the case above, this was never once foreshadowed or even implied, and just comes across as a half-assed attempt to justify why she had them in the first place.
** The author tries to handwave it as "she did it off panel" and "eating beans isn't that hard to do." Okay, first of all, when did she get the opportunity to eat them? Cold was busy tenderizing her right up until she managed to slip away and collapse; am I to believe that she somehow, while being pummeled constantly by fists bigger than her torso, managed to pull a bean out of her glove and put it in her mouth before escaping Cold's barrage of punches? Second, she's fighting at 1,000 times normal gravity! How could she honestly manage to eat those beans in her wrecked state with that kind of force holding her down? And when I say "wrecked" I'm not exaggerating; Cold's first punch had her spitting up blood and when she got away from him, she was a battered, blood-soaked mess that could only stand for a split second before collapsing. She was so weak that her energy could only be sensed with great concentration. I get that she's super strong and all, but I simply cannot believe that she could even move a finger, much less get a bean into her mouth under all that force.



** You know the whole fight beforehand? Yeah, that's now been rendered entirely pointless, along with Cold's new forms. Cold had her on the ropes up until this point and then right at the most critical moment of the fight, "Aha, I've recovered thanks to my DeusExMachina! Now the fight is in my favor!" After all that buildup portraying Cold as a legitimate threat, he gets the rug yanked out from under him so that Bra can emerge victorious and unscathed. The entire chapter feels like it was nothing more than an opportunity to show off Bra, complete with NewPowersAsThePlotDemands (which are just as much an AssPull as the beans).

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** You know the whole fight beforehand? Yeah, that's now been rendered entirely pointless, along with Cold's new forms. Cold had her on the ropes up until this point and then right at the most critical moment of the fight, "Aha, I've recovered thanks to my DeusExMachina! Now the fight is in my favor!" favor! Oh, and by the way, you were never a threat in the first place; I was just playing around." After all that buildup portraying Cold as a legitimate threat, he gets the rug yanked out from under him so that Bra can emerge victorious and unscathed. The entire chapter feels like it was nothing more than an opportunity to show off Bra, complete with NewPowersAsThePlotDemands (which are just as much an AssPull as the beans).
6th Sep '16 8:23:37 PM Overlord347
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** In spite of nearly dying at Cold's hand after she underestimated him, she doesn't act concerned in the least. In fact, she only becomes more smug and arrogant after her recovery, saying that she could have won any time she wanted and is only now going to get serious. The sheer amount of haughty superiority she displays boggles the mind, given that Bra was nearly unconscious and, if it hadn't been for those beans, she'd have been sliced into deli meat.

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** In spite of nearly dying at Cold's hand after she underestimated him, she doesn't act concerned in the least. In fact, she only becomes more smug and arrogant after her recovery, saying that she could have won any time she wanted and is only now going to get serious. The sheer amount of haughty superiority How in the world can she displays boggles the mind, given honestly say that Bra with a straight face, when she was nearly unconscious and, if it hadn't been for those beans, she'd have been literally seconds away from being sliced into deli meat. meat and only survived because of those sensu beans?
30th Aug '16 10:06:49 PM Overlord347
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** The author tries to handwave it as "she did it off panel" and "eating beans isn't that hard to do." Okay, first of all, when did she get the opportunity to eat them? Cold was busy tenderizing her right up until she managed to slip away and collapse; am I to believe that she somehow, while being pummeled constantly by fists bigger than her torso, managed to pull a bean out of her glove and put it in her mouth before escaping Cold's barrage of punches? Second, she's fighting at 1,000 times normal gravity! How could she honestly manage to eat those beans in her wrecked state with that kind of force holding her down?

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** The author tries to handwave it as "she did it off panel" and "eating beans isn't that hard to do." Okay, first of all, when did she get the opportunity to eat them? Cold was busy tenderizing her right up until she managed to slip away and collapse; am I to believe that she somehow, while being pummeled constantly by fists bigger than her torso, managed to pull a bean out of her glove and put it in her mouth before escaping Cold's barrage of punches? Second, she's fighting at 1,000 times normal gravity! How could she honestly manage to eat those beans in her wrecked state with that kind of force holding her down?down? And when I say "wrecked" I'm not exaggerating; Cold's first punch had her spitting up blood and when she got away from him, she was a battered, blood-soaked mess that could only stand for a split second before collapsing. She was so weak that her energy could only be sensed with great concentration.
29th Aug '16 10:30:26 PM Overlord347
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** It was a wasted opportunity for character development. Bra has spent almost the whole comic strutting about, telling everyone that they're just trash compared to her; you could count on one hand the people she acts respectfully towards and still have fingers left over. The match was a classic setup for her to be brought down by her hubris and realize that she's not perfect, not to mention she's got the fate of a universe on her shoulders (she earlier promised to give her wish to one of her opponents whose world was going to be destroyed by a weapon that got out of control) and she just carelessly risked it's entire existence for no reason other than to make things more interesting. Moreover, a loss to Cold would have stung even more, since she could have easily beaten him if she hadn't agreed to the handicap he proposed. Instead, she suffers no consequences and learns nothing from being beaten half to death.

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** It was a wasted opportunity for character development. Bra has spent almost the whole comic strutting about, telling everyone that they're just trash compared to her; you could count on one hand the number of people she acts respectfully towards on one hand and still have fingers left over. The match was a classic setup for her to be brought down by her hubris and realize that she's not perfect, not to mention she's got the fate of a universe on her shoulders (she earlier promised to give her wish to one of her opponents whose world was going to be destroyed by a weapon that got out of control) and she just carelessly risked it's entire existence for no reason other than to make things more interesting. Moreover, a loss to Cold would have stung even more, since she could have easily beaten him if she hadn't agreed to the handicap he proposed. Instead, she suffers no consequences and learns nothing from being beaten half to death.



** You know the whole fight beforehand? Yeah, that's now been rendered entirely pointless, along with Cold's new forms. Cold had her on the ropes up until this point and then right at the most critical moment of the fight, "Aha, I've recovered thanks to my DeusExMachina! Now the fight is in my favor!" After all that buildup portraying Cold as a legitimate threat, he gets the rig yanked out from under him so that Bra can emerge victorious and unscathed. The entire chapter feels like it was nothing more than an opportunity to show off Bra, complete with NewPowersAsThePlotDemands (which are just as much an AssPull as the beans).

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** You know the whole fight beforehand? Yeah, that's now been rendered entirely pointless, along with Cold's new forms. Cold had her on the ropes up until this point and then right at the most critical moment of the fight, "Aha, I've recovered thanks to my DeusExMachina! Now the fight is in my favor!" After all that buildup portraying Cold as a legitimate threat, he gets the rig rug yanked out from under him so that Bra can emerge victorious and unscathed. The entire chapter feels like it was nothing more than an opportunity to show off Bra, complete with NewPowersAsThePlotDemands (which are just as much an AssPull as the beans).
28th Aug '16 11:04:17 AM Overlord347
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** It derailed any character development she might have had. Bra has spent almost the whole comic strutting about, telling everyone that they're just trash compared to her; you could count on one hand the people she acts respectfully towards and still have fingers left over. The match was a classic setup for her to be brought down by her hubris and realize that she's not perfect, not to mention she's got the fate of a universe on her shoulders (she earlier promised to give her wish to one of her opponents whose world was going to be destroyed by a weapon that got out of control) and she just carelessly risked it's entire existence for no reason other than to make things more interesting. Moreover, a loss to Cold would have stung even more, since she could have easily beaten him if she hadn't agreed to the handicap he proposed. Instead, she suffers no consequences and learns nothing from being beaten half to death.

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*** And don't even get me started on the putty-clone afterimages she uses to shackle Cold when she recovers. If that's not magic, then it's so close that it makes no difference.
** It derailed any was a wasted opportunity for character development she might have had.development. Bra has spent almost the whole comic strutting about, telling everyone that they're just trash compared to her; you could count on one hand the people she acts respectfully towards and still have fingers left over. The match was a classic setup for her to be brought down by her hubris and realize that she's not perfect, not to mention she's got the fate of a universe on her shoulders (she earlier promised to give her wish to one of her opponents whose world was going to be destroyed by a weapon that got out of control) and she just carelessly risked it's entire existence for no reason other than to make things more interesting. Moreover, a loss to Cold would have stung even more, since she could have easily beaten him if she hadn't agreed to the handicap he proposed. Instead, she suffers no consequences and learns nothing from being beaten half to death.



** You know the whole fight beforehand? Yeah, that's now been rendered entirely pointless, along with Cold's new forms. Cold had her on the ropes up until this point and then right at the most critical moment of the fight, "Aha, I've recovered thanks to my DeusExMachina! Now the fight is in my favor!" The entire chapter feels like it was nothing more than an opportunity to show off Bra, complete with NewPowersAsThePlotDemands (which are just as much an AssPull as the beans).

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** You know the whole fight beforehand? Yeah, that's now been rendered entirely pointless, along with Cold's new forms. Cold had her on the ropes up until this point and then right at the most critical moment of the fight, "Aha, I've recovered thanks to my DeusExMachina! Now the fight is in my favor!" After all that buildup portraying Cold as a legitimate threat, he gets the rig yanked out from under him so that Bra can emerge victorious and unscathed. The entire chapter feels like it was nothing more than an opportunity to show off Bra, complete with NewPowersAsThePlotDemands (which are just as much an AssPull as the beans).
21st Aug '16 12:37:03 AM Overlord347
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** It derailed any character development she might have had. Bra has spent almost the whole comic strutting about, telling everyone that they're just trash compared to her; you could count on one hand the people she acts respectfully towards and still have fingers left over. The match was a classic setup for her to be brought down by her hubris and realize that she's not perfect, not to mention she's got the fate of a universe on her shoulders (she earlier promised to give her wish to one of her opponents whose world was going to be destroyed by a weapon that got out of control) and she just carelessly risked it's entire existence for no reason other than to make things more interesting. Instead, not only does she suffer no consequences and learn nothing from being beaten half to death, she's become even more smug and arrogant, as if she planned the whole thing.

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** It derailed any character development she might have had. Bra has spent almost the whole comic strutting about, telling everyone that they're just trash compared to her; you could count on one hand the people she acts respectfully towards and still have fingers left over. The match was a classic setup for her to be brought down by her hubris and realize that she's not perfect, not to mention she's got the fate of a universe on her shoulders (she earlier promised to give her wish to one of her opponents whose world was going to be destroyed by a weapon that got out of control) and she just carelessly risked it's entire existence for no reason other than to make things more interesting. Moreover, a loss to Cold would have stung even more, since she could have easily beaten him if she hadn't agreed to the handicap he proposed. Instead, not only does she suffer suffers no consequences and learn learns nothing from being beaten half to death, she's become even death.
** In spite of nearly dying at Cold's hand after she underestimated him, she doesn't act concerned in the least. In fact, she only becomes
more smug and arrogant, as if arrogant after her recovery, saying that she planned could have won any time she wanted and is only now going to get serious. The sheer amount of haughty superiority she displays boggles the whole thing.mind, given that Bra was nearly unconscious and, if it hadn't been for those beans, she'd have been sliced into deli meat.
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