History DethroningMoment / StarTrek

14th Jan '17 5:57:43 AM OlfinBedwere
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* Tropers/OlfinBedwere: Data's death in ''Film/StarTrekNemesis'' somehow manages to make Kirk [[DroppedABridgeOnHim getting a bridge dropped on him]] seem like a masterpiece of good film-making. Even leaving aside the stupidity of how the situation came around to begin with, the way it's filmed makes it feel like it's just some random redshirt who's dying, not a character we've known and loved for fifteen years. Making things even worse, only twenty seconds after Data's demise the film-makers feel the need to put in a gag about Picard forgetting the bridge viewscreen had been destroyed, which is pretty much the equivalent to Spock's death scene in the second film having a grinning [=McCoy=] lean into the frame after Spock expires, saying "He's dead, Jim!" and then winking at the camera.

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* Tropers/OlfinBedwere: Data's death in ''Film/StarTrekNemesis'' somehow manages to make Kirk [[DroppedABridgeOnHim getting a bridge dropped on him]] seem like a masterpiece of good film-making. Even leaving aside the stupidity of how the situation came around to begin with, the way it's filmed makes it feel like it's just some random redshirt who's dying, not a character we've known and loved for fifteen years. Making things even worse, only twenty And then just to ''really'' ruin any emotion that might still in the scene, about thirty seconds after Data's demise the film-makers feel the need to put later they add in a gag about Picard forgetting that the bridge viewscreen had has been destroyed, which is pretty much the equivalent to Spock's death scene in the second film having a grinning [=McCoy=] lean into the frame after Spock expires, saying "He's dead, Jim!" and then winking at the camera.destroyed.
14th Sep '16 6:04:29 PM romanatorX
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* Tropers/RomanatorX: "A Night in Sickbay" is all around complete crap, with rampant JerkAss behavior on Archer's part for no reason, completely messed up morals (why bring a dog on a foreign planet, just to start), and a RomanticPlotTumor between Archer and T'Pol. However, you can actually pinpoint the moment where the franchise crashed into the iceberg. It's as T'Poi is delivering some food to Archer during his night in sickbay. After acting nasty to her, he says this immortal line. "Sorry, I'm a little on edge. I haven't slept very much, but I'm doing the breast I... the best I can." They made a joke about breasts. On the same franchise that's supposed to explain the meeting of humans with other species... and they made a statement about breasts for comedy. At this point, they must have run out of ideas for intellectual comedy and just decided to make a joke about freaking breasts! To seal this as a DMOS, WebSite/SFDebris called this the moment where the franchise bottomed out, and Website/TheAgonyBooth called it the exact moment where the series pretty much died.

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* Tropers/RomanatorX: "A Night in Sickbay" is all around complete crap, with rampant JerkAss behavior on Archer's part for no reason, completely [[BrokenAesop messed up morals morals]] (why bring a dog on a foreign planet, just to start), and a RomanticPlotTumor between Archer and T'Pol. However, Here, you can actually pinpoint the moment where the franchise show crashed into the iceberg.iceberg (and almost took the franchise with it). It's as T'Poi is delivering some food to Archer during his night in sickbay. After acting nasty to her, he says this immortal line. "Sorry, I'm a little on edge. I haven't slept very much, but I'm doing the breast I... the best I can." They made a joke about breasts. On the same franchise that's supposed to explain the meeting of humans with other species... species and explore the human condition... and they made a statement about breasts for comedy. At this point, they must have run out a cheap bit of ideas for intellectual comedy and just decided to make a joke about freaking breasts! To seal this as a DMOS, WebSite/SFDebris called this the moment where the franchise bottomed out, and Website/TheAgonyBooth called it the exact moment where the series pretty much died.
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3rd Sep '16 12:50:51 AM wyattte
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* Tropers/{{Wyattte}}: "Sub Rosa" might be rock bottom for the shaky season 7, and is worth watching only if you want to feel incredibly embarrassed for Creator/GatesMcFadden. Putting aside the fact that Beverly Crusher's family is apparently from a planet that's modeled to look like someone's stereotypical idea of Scotland, what follows is barely even a [=TNG=] show as much as it is a bad episode of ''Series/AreYouAfraidOfTheDark'' Beverly Crusher is seduced by, and then falls for, a spirit being kept in her grandmother's lamp, who's been seducing women all throughout Crusher's lineage including her dead grandmother, adding a nice layer of {{Squick}}. This leads to cringeworthy scenes of Crusher awkwardly shouting into the void, culminating in Picard walking in on her being ravished by a ghost. The proceedings (and the pacing, and the dialogue) only get worse from there, and then you add the walking Scottish caricature that is Ned Quint and his horrible accent. What makes this already absurd ghost story worse is seeing all this happen to Beverly Crusher, a doctor, and one of the most well-adjusted women in the franchise.
15th Jun '16 8:12:29 AM Berrenta
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9th Jun '16 9:11:44 PM Josef5678
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10th Mar '16 4:51:16 PM brianify
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** {{Tropers/Brianify}}: Seconded, not least because the episode accidentally points out one of the dumber running themes in ''The Next Generation.'' Riker tries to guilt the Ferengi leader by saying that it was cruel to imprison the children on board the Enterprise. The Ferengi ripostes that it's cruel to bring children on an armed warship that regularly sees combat. The Ferengi is entirely right.
31st Dec '15 4:00:15 PM falcon2484
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** Tropers/{{Falcon2484}}: This one gets my vote as well, especially seeing as how Picard gives no similar reprimand to Riker after he arguably violates the Prime Directive in "The Outcast."
27th Dec '15 3:01:57 PM SeptimusHeap
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* 13thman: My pick for ST Voyager has to be "Flesh and Blood". This is actually a retroactive [[DarthWiki/DethroningMomentOfSuck DMOS]], starting with "The Killing Game", but it culminates here. Plot summary: the Hirogen are being killed by holodeck technology that Janeway gave them at the end of "The Killing Game". Janeway decides to save the Hirogen from the homicidal holograms against the Hirogen's will. Now that that is out of the way, here's the DMOS: why? Just why? I don't need to go into any particular details about the morals, motivations, actions, or logic of anyone in particular in this episode. All you need to know, in order to understand why Janeway taking the Hirogen's side against ANYBODY (even arguably the ''Borg'') is just wrong, is this: the Hirogen are the serial killers of the galaxy. The Hirogen's [[PlanetOfHats hat]] is using superior strength and firepower to hunt down any sentient creature, whether or not it is armed, whether or not it is a physical match for them, whether or not said creatures are surrendering, fleeing, trying to make peace with them, whatever. They strip their kills down to the bone and display various body parts around their ships as trophies. These aren't the Cardassians, or the Klingons, or the Romulans, or the Kazon or Jem Hadar, who kill for country, or honor, or for their master or state. Unlike the races just mentioned, there's no such thing as a target being unworthy for any reason (sick, old, not involved in a conflict, etc). The Hirogen kill because it gives them wood. Nowhere is this made more evident than in "The Killing Game", where the Hirogen turn all of Voyager into a holodeck, so they can ''repeatedly kill and resuscitate'' the members of the crew in various fantasies. Their evil is so ridiculous it causes a ''DarthWiki/WallBanger'': the Hirogen get pissed at the doctor because the holodeck weapons are killing the crew members faster than the doctor can resuscitate then, however they refuse to turn on the holodeck safeties, because holodeck safeties make the killing less interesting. Wait - if Holodeck weapons and soldiers are good enough to kill the crew, why waste time with the crew? Why not just turn all the safeties off on the holodeck and shoot at 100 foot lava monsters that bleed fire all day? Well, because like I said before, the Hirogen are the serial killers of the galaxy - their goal isn't to satiate violent urges like a Klingon or Jem Hadar, their goal is to kill people. But, enough about TKG: when "Flesh and Blood" rolls around, the Hirogen have managed to program holograms smart enough to cruelly kill every Hirogen they come across. Given what was just described in TKG, the question we have to ask here is, once again, ''why?'' These serial killers made a weapon so powerful it kills them, and the first time Janeway offers to help, they threaten to turn her into prey, again? Why is there a plot about Janeway detailing the moral and philosophical reasons why Voyager has a duty to help the sadistic homicidal aliens that want nothing more than to kill them all and wear their bones for necklaces? ''[[Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration Picard]]'' wouldn't have put up with that shit, and he is infamous for being slower on the phaser button than Kirk or Sisko. That Janeway did ANYTHING other than leave these animals to die the KarmicDeath they deserved turns this into a [[DarthWiki/DethroningMomentOfSuck DMOS]] for this troper.

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* 13thman: My pick for ST Voyager has to be "Flesh and Blood". This is actually a retroactive [[DarthWiki/DethroningMomentOfSuck DMOS]], starting with "The Killing Game", but it culminates here. Plot summary: the Hirogen are being killed by holodeck technology that Janeway gave them at the end of "The Killing Game". Janeway decides to save the Hirogen from the homicidal holograms against the Hirogen's will. Now that that is out of the way, here's the DMOS: why? Just why? I don't need to go into any particular details about the morals, motivations, actions, or logic of anyone in particular in this episode. All you need to know, in order to understand why Janeway taking the Hirogen's side against ANYBODY (even arguably the ''Borg'') is just wrong, is this: the Hirogen are the serial killers of the galaxy. The Hirogen's [[PlanetOfHats hat]] is using superior strength and firepower to hunt down any sentient creature, whether or not it is armed, whether or not it is a physical match for them, whether or not said creatures are surrendering, fleeing, trying to make peace with them, whatever. They strip their kills down to the bone and display various body parts around their ships as trophies. These aren't the Cardassians, or the Klingons, or the Romulans, or the Kazon or Jem Hadar, who kill for country, or honor, or for their master or state. Unlike the races just mentioned, there's no such thing as a target being unworthy for any reason (sick, old, not involved in a conflict, etc). The Hirogen kill because it gives them wood. Nowhere is this made more evident than in "The Killing Game", where the Hirogen turn all of Voyager into a holodeck, so they can ''repeatedly kill and resuscitate'' the members of the crew in various fantasies. Their evil is so ridiculous it causes a ''DarthWiki/WallBanger'': ridiculous: the Hirogen get pissed at the doctor because the holodeck weapons are killing the crew members faster than the doctor can resuscitate then, however they refuse to turn on the holodeck safeties, because holodeck safeties make the killing less interesting. Wait - if Holodeck weapons and soldiers are good enough to kill the crew, why waste time with the crew? Why not just turn all the safeties off on the holodeck and shoot at 100 foot lava monsters that bleed fire all day? Well, because like I said before, the Hirogen are the serial killers of the galaxy - their goal isn't to satiate violent urges like a Klingon or Jem Hadar, their goal is to kill people. But, enough about TKG: when "Flesh and Blood" rolls around, the Hirogen have managed to program holograms smart enough to cruelly kill every Hirogen they come across. Given what was just described in TKG, the question we have to ask here is, once again, ''why?'' These serial killers made a weapon so powerful it kills them, and the first time Janeway offers to help, they threaten to turn her into prey, again? Why is there a plot about Janeway detailing the moral and philosophical reasons why Voyager has a duty to help the sadistic homicidal aliens that want nothing more than to kill them all and wear their bones for necklaces? ''[[Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration Picard]]'' wouldn't have put up with that shit, and he is infamous for being slower on the phaser button than Kirk or Sisko. That Janeway did ANYTHING other than leave these animals to die the KarmicDeath they deserved turns this into a [[DarthWiki/DethroningMomentOfSuck DMOS]] for this troper.
18th Dec '15 9:11:56 PM nombretomado
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* Troper/Hyrin: ''Unimatrix Zero''. The episode where Janeway gets assimilated ''on purpose'' and the Borg Queen completely loses her shit and starts self-destructing her fleet on a whim. SFDebris's synopsis about this episode is the stuff of legends.

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* Troper/Hyrin: ''Unimatrix Zero''. The episode where Janeway gets assimilated ''on purpose'' and the Borg Queen completely loses her shit and starts self-destructing her fleet on a whim. SFDebris's WebSite/SFDebris' synopsis about this episode is the stuff of legends.



* Tropers/RomanatorX: "A Night in Sickbay" is all around complete crap, with rampant JerkAss behavior on Archer's part for no reason, completely messed up morals (why bring a dog on a foreign planet, just to start), and a RomanticPlotTumor between Archer and T'Pol. However, you can actually pinpoint the moment where the franchise crashed into the iceberg. It's as T'Poi is delivering some food to Archer during his night in sickbay. After acting nasty to her, he says this immortal line. "Sorry, I'm a little on edge. I haven't slept very much, but I'm doing the breast I... the best I can." They made a joke about breasts. On the same franchise that's supposed to explain the meeting of humans with other species... and they made a statement about breasts for comedy. At this point, they must have run out of ideas for intellectual comedy and just decided to make a joke about freaking breasts! To seal this as a DMOS, SFDebris called this the moment where the franchise bottomed out, and Website/TheAgonyBooth called it the exact moment where the series pretty much died.

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* Tropers/RomanatorX: "A Night in Sickbay" is all around complete crap, with rampant JerkAss behavior on Archer's part for no reason, completely messed up morals (why bring a dog on a foreign planet, just to start), and a RomanticPlotTumor between Archer and T'Pol. However, you can actually pinpoint the moment where the franchise crashed into the iceberg. It's as T'Poi is delivering some food to Archer during his night in sickbay. After acting nasty to her, he says this immortal line. "Sorry, I'm a little on edge. I haven't slept very much, but I'm doing the breast I... the best I can." They made a joke about breasts. On the same franchise that's supposed to explain the meeting of humans with other species... and they made a statement about breasts for comedy. At this point, they must have run out of ideas for intellectual comedy and just decided to make a joke about freaking breasts! To seal this as a DMOS, SFDebris WebSite/SFDebris called this the moment where the franchise bottomed out, and Website/TheAgonyBooth called it the exact moment where the series pretty much died.
30th Nov '15 11:09:29 AM FF32
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* 13thman: My pick for ST Voyager has to be "Flesh and Blood". This is actually a retroactive [[DethroningMomentOfSuck DMOS]], starting with "The Killing Game", but it culminates here. Plot summary: the Hirogen are being killed by holodeck technology that Janeway gave them at the end of "The Killing Game". Janeway decides to save the Hirogen from the homicidal holograms against the Hirogen's will. Now that that is out of the way, here's the DMOS: why? Just why? I don't need to go into any particular details about the morals, motivations, actions, or logic of anyone in particular in this episode. All you need to know, in order to understand why Janeway taking the Hirogen's side against ANYBODY (even arguably the ''Borg'') is just wrong, is this: the Hirogen are the serial killers of the galaxy. The Hirogen's [[PlanetOfHats hat]] is using superior strength and firepower to hunt down any sentient creature, whether or not it is armed, whether or not it is a physical match for them, whether or not said creatures are surrendering, fleeing, trying to make peace with them, whatever. They strip their kills down to the bone and display various body parts around their ships as trophies. These aren't the Cardassians, or the Klingons, or the Romulans, or the Kazon or Jem Hadar, who kill for country, or honor, or for their master or state. Unlike the races just mentioned, there's no such thing as a target being unworthy for any reason (sick, old, not involved in a conflict, etc). The Hirogen kill because it gives them wood. Nowhere is this made more evident than in "The Killing Game", where the Hirogen turn all of Voyager into a holodeck, so they can ''repeatedly kill and resuscitate'' the members of the crew in various fantasies. Their evil is so ridiculous it causes a ''DarthWiki/WallBanger'': the Hirogen get pissed at the doctor because the holodeck weapons are killing the crew members faster than the doctor can resuscitate then, however they refuse to turn on the holodeck safeties, because holodeck safeties make the killing less interesting. Wait - if Holodeck weapons and soldiers are good enough to kill the crew, why waste time with the crew? Why not just turn all the safeties off on the holodeck and shoot at 100 foot lava monsters that bleed fire all day? Well, because like I said before, the Hirogen are the serial killers of the galaxy - their goal isn't to satiate violent urges like a Klingon or Jem Hadar, their goal is to kill people. But, enough about TKG: when "Flesh and Blood" rolls around, the Hirogen have managed to program holograms smart enough to cruelly kill every Hirogen they come across. Given what was just described in TKG, the question we have to ask here is, once again, ''why?'' These serial killers made a weapon so powerful it kills them, and the first time Janeway offers to help, they threaten to turn her into prey, again? Why is there a plot about Janeway detailing the moral and philosophical reasons why Voyager has a duty to help the sadistic homicidal aliens that want nothing more than to kill them all and wear their bones for necklaces? ''[[Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration Picard]]'' wouldn't have put up with that shit, and he is infamous for being slower on the phaser button than Kirk or Sisko. That Janeway did ANYTHING other than leave these animals to die the KarmicDeath they deserved turns this into a [[DethroningMomentOfSuck DMOS]] for this troper.

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* 13thman: My pick for ST Voyager has to be "Flesh and Blood". This is actually a retroactive [[DethroningMomentOfSuck [[DarthWiki/DethroningMomentOfSuck DMOS]], starting with "The Killing Game", but it culminates here. Plot summary: the Hirogen are being killed by holodeck technology that Janeway gave them at the end of "The Killing Game". Janeway decides to save the Hirogen from the homicidal holograms against the Hirogen's will. Now that that is out of the way, here's the DMOS: why? Just why? I don't need to go into any particular details about the morals, motivations, actions, or logic of anyone in particular in this episode. All you need to know, in order to understand why Janeway taking the Hirogen's side against ANYBODY (even arguably the ''Borg'') is just wrong, is this: the Hirogen are the serial killers of the galaxy. The Hirogen's [[PlanetOfHats hat]] is using superior strength and firepower to hunt down any sentient creature, whether or not it is armed, whether or not it is a physical match for them, whether or not said creatures are surrendering, fleeing, trying to make peace with them, whatever. They strip their kills down to the bone and display various body parts around their ships as trophies. These aren't the Cardassians, or the Klingons, or the Romulans, or the Kazon or Jem Hadar, who kill for country, or honor, or for their master or state. Unlike the races just mentioned, there's no such thing as a target being unworthy for any reason (sick, old, not involved in a conflict, etc). The Hirogen kill because it gives them wood. Nowhere is this made more evident than in "The Killing Game", where the Hirogen turn all of Voyager into a holodeck, so they can ''repeatedly kill and resuscitate'' the members of the crew in various fantasies. Their evil is so ridiculous it causes a ''DarthWiki/WallBanger'': the Hirogen get pissed at the doctor because the holodeck weapons are killing the crew members faster than the doctor can resuscitate then, however they refuse to turn on the holodeck safeties, because holodeck safeties make the killing less interesting. Wait - if Holodeck weapons and soldiers are good enough to kill the crew, why waste time with the crew? Why not just turn all the safeties off on the holodeck and shoot at 100 foot lava monsters that bleed fire all day? Well, because like I said before, the Hirogen are the serial killers of the galaxy - their goal isn't to satiate violent urges like a Klingon or Jem Hadar, their goal is to kill people. But, enough about TKG: when "Flesh and Blood" rolls around, the Hirogen have managed to program holograms smart enough to cruelly kill every Hirogen they come across. Given what was just described in TKG, the question we have to ask here is, once again, ''why?'' These serial killers made a weapon so powerful it kills them, and the first time Janeway offers to help, they threaten to turn her into prey, again? Why is there a plot about Janeway detailing the moral and philosophical reasons why Voyager has a duty to help the sadistic homicidal aliens that want nothing more than to kill them all and wear their bones for necklaces? ''[[Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration Picard]]'' wouldn't have put up with that shit, and he is infamous for being slower on the phaser button than Kirk or Sisko. That Janeway did ANYTHING other than leave these animals to die the KarmicDeath they deserved turns this into a [[DethroningMomentOfSuck [[DarthWiki/DethroningMomentOfSuck DMOS]] for this troper.
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