History DethroningMoment / MarvelCinematicUniverse

* Gemidori: I'll have to come out and admit that I don't really agree with the direction that MCU Spider-Man has taken since day one (I for one am so sick of seeing him as a KidHero, thank you so much ''VideoGame/SpiderManPS4'' for stopping that trend), to the point where I didn't even find myself enjoying (or really remembering) much of this particular film. The worst bit though, by far, would have to be the destruction of Uncle Ben's suitcase. Up until here it's essentially the one thing that even implies his existence within the MCU, and during one action sequence it winds up being destroyed. Would you like to know how Peter, Ben's nephew, responds to the last memento of the guy who essentially inspired him to become Spider-Man in the first place? [[LackOfEmpathy I couldn't really tell you if he even felt anything. He doesn't give a damn.]] In truth, the whole thing is just played up as a joke, much like...I swear, 80% of this damn film, in which only about a quarter of it worked (the film starts off right away with a poorly done tribute to the fallen Avengers which...yeah, that one was both unfunny and disrespectful). As a lifelong Spider-Man fan, this swayed far beyond a joke [[DudeNotFunny and just becomes a full-on "fuck you" right to my face]]. It honestly drained any small bits of interest I may have had left in this iteration of my childhood hero, and made me realize that it may look like and be named after Spider-Man...but it just isn't Spider-Man in the soul. Back to rewatching the Raimi trilogy for me.

** TMB: Having Ross be the one to introduce the Accords in the first place with nobody mentioning how it makes him the world's biggest hypocrite for all the things he did in Film/TheIncredibleHulk.

* Tropers/{{Retloclive}}: The makers of the ''Black Widow'' film clearly forgot that Natasha is just a normal human with no superpowers, because that back alley scene where she's falling off a building, hitting several objects, and somehow lands on her feet once she reaches the ground as if she suffered no damage from the fall whatsoever is all kinds of stupid. Both ''WebVideo/HonestTrailers'' and ''WebAnimation/HowItShouldHaveEnded'' called this moment out, and they were 100% correct in doing so. That fall should have definitely killed her. Or at the very least, left her seriously hurt.

* Tropers/{{Retloclive}}: The makers of the Black Widow film clearly forgot that Natasha is just a normal human with no superpowers, because that back alley scene where she's falling off a building, hitting several objects, and somehow lands on her feet once she reaches the ground as if she suffered no damage from the fall whatsoever is all kinds of stupid. Both ''WebVideo/HonestTrailers'' and ''WebAnimation/HowItShouldHaveEnded'' called this moment out, and they were 100% correct in doing so. That fall should have definitely killed her. Or at the very least, left her seriously hurt.

* [=KeyofDestiny=]: As someone who always hated the MCU's constant omission of Uncle Ben, I at least give Homecoming some credit for alluding at him with certain scenes, it wasn't enough but it was something...And even that something is completely lacking in Far From Home. The last straw to me was Mysterio mentioning Tony's death as an example of Peter "not being good enough". [[FlatWhat Really?]] The MCU is really that committed to ignore Uncle Ben? Peter had nothing to do with Tony's death, it was his choice to do so, Uncle Ben's death on the other hand actually was Peter's fault and a result of him not being good enough. They had the perfect opportunity to mention Uncle Ben but instead choose to keep shoving that forced father-and-son bond between Peter and Tony down our throats. This was the moment that all but confirmed to me that Uncle Ben is even less than a footnote to Peter in the MCU, if he even exists at all that is.

* CapriciousSalmon: I would've included Dr. Strange's super rushed training as my DMOS, but I still like that movie, so I'll add one for here. You know how people complain the Bayverse Transformer movies often forget the fact they're Transformers movies and focus on human drama while sidelining the actually cool alien conflict? Well, what if I told you the MCU took inspiration from Michael Bay and inserted it into Thor's sequel? Jane Foster has the personality of a vanilla lobster and yet the entire movie is more or less centered on her, with stuff like Loki being pushed off to the side to discuss Thor and Jane's relationship drama. At the expense of developing the villain or the conflict or any of Thor's friends. At least with the previous Thor movie, the point of focusing on the humans was to make Thor more of a FishOutOfWater, and they succeeded. Do they really need to repeat this plot but with Jane?

* Adept: This is probably a controversial choice, since I'm sure many people would consider this a SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome, but for me, the movie killed all of its WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief when Captain America is somehow able to hold Thanos's punch, when the latter had already equipped 5 of the Infinity Stone. Captain America may be a SuperSoldier with enhanced strength and durability, but it's pretty much established that he's not as strong as The Hulk (or even Loki). Thanos is able to {{Curb Stomp|Battle}} Hulk without having any of the stones, and having Captain America be able to withstand an attack that even The Hulk is unable to block, when Thanos is even stronger than he was during his fight against Hulk just screams bad writing for me. Don't get me wrong, I still liked the movie (for the most part), but having the characters' power levels fluctuate so wildly for the sake of convenience is one of my biggest pet peeve trope in action series, especially when there is no justifiable explanation behind the event, other than the fact that the writers want to force in a "cool" scene.

* Gemidori: I'll have to come out and admit that I don't really agree with the direction that MCU Spider-Man is going, to the point where I didn't even find myself enjoying (or really remembering) much of this particular film. The worst bit though, by far, would have to be the destruction of Uncle Ben's suitcase. Up until here it's essentially the one thing that even implies his existence within the MCU, and during one action sequence it winds up being destroyed. Would you like to know how Peter, Ben's nephew, responds to the last memento of the guy who essentially inspired him to become Spider-Man in the first place? [[LackOfEmpathy I couldn't really tell you if he even felt anything. He doesn't give a damn.]] In truth, the whole thing is just played up as a joke, much like...I swear, 80% of this damn film, in which only about a quarter of it worked (the film starts off right away with a poorly done tribute to the fallen Avengers which...yeah, that one was both unfunny and disrespectful). As a lifelong Spider-Man fan, this swayed far beyond a joke [[DudeNotFunny and just becomes a full-on "fuck you" right to my face]]. It honestly drained any small bits of interest I may have had left in this iteration of my childhood hero, and made me realize that it may look like and be named after Spider-Man...but it just isn't Spider-Man in the soul. Back to rewatching the Raimi trilogy for me.

* Gemidori: I'll have to come out and admit that I don't really agree with the direction that MCU Spider-Man is going, to the point where I didn't even find myself enjoying (or really remembering) much of this particular film. The worst bit though, by far, would have to be the destruction of Uncle Ben's suitcase. Up until here it's essentially the one thing that even implies his existence within the MCU, and during one action sequence it winds up being destroyed. Would you like to know how Peter, Ben's nephew, responds to the last memento of the guy who essentially inspired him to become Spider-Man in the first place? [[LackOfEmpathy I couldn't really tell you if he even felt anything. He doesn't give a damn.]] In truth, the whole thing is just played up as a joke, much like...I swear, 80% of this damn film. As a lifelong Spider-Man fan, this swayed far beyond a joke [[DudeNotFunny and just becomes a full-on "fuck you" right to my face]]. It honestly drained any small bits of interest I may have had left in this iteration of my childhood hero, and made me realize that it may look like and be named after Spider-Man...but it just isn't Spider-Man in the soul. Back to rewatching the Raimi trilogy for me.

* Gemidori: I'll have to come out and admit that I don't really agree with the direction that MCU Spider-Man is going, to the point where I didn't even find myself enjoying (or really remembering) much of this particular film. The worst bit though, by far, would have to be [[spoiler:the destruction of]] Uncle Ben's suitcase. Up until here it's essentially the one thing that even implies his existence within the MCU, and during one action sequence it winds up being destroyed. Would you like to know how Peter, Ben's nephew, responds to the last memento of the guy who essentially inspired him to become Spider-Man in the first place? [[LackOfEmpathy I couldn't really tell you if he even felt anything. He doesn't give a damn.]] In truth, the whole thing is just played up as a joke, much like...I swear, 80% of this damn film. As a lifelong Spider-Man fan, this swayed far beyond a joke [[DudeNotFunny and just becomes a full-on "fuck you" right to my face]]. It honestly drained any small bits of interest I may have had left in this iteration of my childhood hero, and made me realize that it may look like and be named after Spider-Man...but it just isn't Spider-Man in the soul. Back to rewatching the Raimi trilogy for me.

* Scsigs: I don't quite buy the attraction between Peter and Michelle in this movie. We're not given any information on how they grew to become attracted to each other since ''Homecoming''. I think some flashbacks and expository dialogue throughout the film would've been nice because there's none in this movie. They barely interacted in ''Homecoming'' and nothing indicated an attraction between them. Not to mention that Michelle is less like Ally Sheedy's character from ''The Breakfast Club'' (with some not-so-subtle direct nods to that movie at one point in ''Hommecoming''), which is better because Zendaya seemed ''very'' out of her acting element in that movie. Honestly, with the half-baked love story, Petter being an idiot for no reason, and a few other things, this is a step down from ''Homecoming'', even the first ''Amazing Spider-Man'' to me. Not bad, but ''far'' from the movie it should've been.

* 227someguy: I also liked the movie as a whole, but what really bothered me was how Iron Man handled the ferry scene. The problem is how [[NeverMyFault he blames Spidey for despite the fact that it was more his fault]]. First, he didn't give Peter a reason to avoid the Vulture aside from BecauseISaidSo, [[{{Jerkass}} scolded poor Peter for not listening to him]], and [[PoorCommunicationKills not telling him about the FBI beforehand (that last one could've told Peter that he really did trust him)]]. This scene really hurt my opinion of the character to point where he's become my least favorite Avenger (though admittedly, [[RevengeBeforeReason that's not the]] [[NiceJobBreakingItHero/MarvelCinematicUniverse only reason]]).

** Scsigs: I'm one of the people who wants the MCU to reference Uncle Ben. A lot of people think that we want the [=MCU=] to rehash Spider-Man's origin story, which we don't. We just wanna know he existed & had a profound effect on Peter's life like pretty much every other incarnation of the character. Have an actor take a picture for use in the MCU, film some flashback scenes, record some dialogue for later use, do ''something''. None of the SM movies have done anything like this. Just introduce Spidey in ''Civil War'', then make more movies like he's been there from the start. Basically, I think this movie's specific failing is letting Tony Stark overshadow Uncle Ben in Peter's life as his only role model and father figure. People are allowed to have multiple ones in life, so it wouldn't be a bad thing. Just have Peter see a picture of Uncle Ben after Stark takes the suit back before the dance and have Peter whisper the "With great power comes great responsibility" quote to himself with Tom Holland then being shown in deep thought about it and kicking himself for forgetting Ben's words. That's all that's needed, but the [=MCU=] is apparently allergic to doing something that simple and meaningful for Spidey.

** Scsigs: This movie is really a rushed mess. Clearly the people behind the [=MCU=] wanted to introduce Captain Marvel before Phase 3 ended. However, this is the weakest out of the introduction movies in Phase 3. ''Doctor Strange'' was ok, ''Homecoming'' was great, and ''Black Panther'' was freaking fantastic. However, this movie suffers from what those movies don't suffer from; letting the main character be human. Now, Carol Danvers ''is'' a human, but she doesn't act like it. It's a good thing Samuel L. Jackson was in this movie as a young Nick Fury because the best scenes with her are the ones where they are talking and Carol expresses emotions & isn't a stoic, smug know-it-all. Now, this movie has a solid foundation for which to base a plot off of and have character development for Danvers. She's essentially a fish out of water who doesn't realize she's not because she's actually from Earth, she just doesn't remember. And, she has to deal with a hardass leader who's lead by an evil AI who intend on conquering the galaxy. Two plots which come together well enough in the film, but there's a problem and that's the character writing and direction of Danvers. She's written to have the character arc of needing to get rid of her emotions to tap into the full potential of her powers, only to have those emotions be a better way to do so, which has been done before and hasn't been done in the [=MCU=] before. But, she's not written to be going through this character arc, as there's no throughline from A to C with a middle, yet there's lines towards the end when she fights her former commander and says lines that are unearned as moments where the audience is supposed to cheer in agreement. Carol is missing the meat of her character arc. The meat either wasn't included in the shooting script, weren't filmed, or got left on the cutting room floor. Not only that, but the direction the actress received wasn't sufficient to fill the missing stuff through her emotions. I hope the next movie for the character can be a better one for her.

** Scsigs: I don't quite buy the attraction between Peter and Michelle in this movie. We're not given any information on how they grew to become attracted to each other since ''Homecoming''. I think some flashbacks and expository dialogue throughout the film would've been nice because there's none in this movie. They barely interacted in ''Homecoming'' and nothing indicated an attraction between them. Not to mention that Michelle is less like Ally Sheedy's character from ''The Breakfast Club'' (with some not-so-subtle direct nods to that movie at one point in ''Hommecoming''), which is better because Zendaya seemed ''very'' out of her acting element in that movie. Honestly, with the half-baked love story, Petter being an idiot for no reason, and a few other things, this is a step down from ''Homecoming'', even the first ''Amazing Spider-Man'' to me. Not bad, but ''far'' from the movie it should've been.

* [=KeyofDestiny=]: As someone who always hated the MCU's constant omission of Uncle Ben, I at least give Homecoming some credit for alluding at him with certain scenes, it wasn't enough but it was something...And even that something is completely lacking in Far From Home. The last straw to me was Mysterio mentioning Tony's death as an example of Peter "not being good enough". [[FlatWhat Really?]] The MCU is really that commited to ignore Uncle Ben? Peter had nothing to do with Tony's death, it was his choice to do so, Uncle Ben's death on the other hand actually was Peter's fault and a result of him not being good enough. They had the perfect opportunity to mention Uncle Ben but instead choose to keep shoving that forced father-and-son bond between Peter and Tony down our throats. This was the moment that all but confirmed to me that Uncle Ben is even less than a footnote to Peter in the MCU, if he even exists at all that is.

* [=TantaMonty=]: The whole treatment of Thor throughout the film. After he came this close to killing Thanos in ''Infinity War'', the writers had to come up with a way to nerf him for this film, so the solution was to turn him into an obese, depressed shut-in. Despite his lamentable state, he is treated as little more than a one-dimensional YouAreFat joke, which in turn makes the other heroes look like a bunch of unsympathetic jerkasses. The moment that made me boil with rage was Rhodey’s stupid cheese whiz joke, which undermined a serious moment in which Thor was begging the others to let him use the Infinity Gauntlet so he could atone for his previous failure. This is up there with ''Ragnarok'''s "foundations" joke as one of the worst gags in the entire franchise, and made me seriously wish something worse had happened to War Machine during ''Civil War''.

* [=TantaMonty=]: The whole treatment of Thor throughout the film. After he came this close to killing Thanos in ''Infinity War'', the writers had to come up with a way to nerf him for this film, so the solution was to turn him into an obese, depressed shut-in. Despite his lamentable state, he is treated as little more than a one-dimensional YouAreFat joke, which in turn makes the other Avengers look like a bunch of unsympathetic jerkasses. The moment that made me boil with rage was Rhodey’s stupid cheese whiz joke, which not only came after Black Widow’s death, but undermined a serious moment in which Thor was begging to make up for his mistake in the previous film. This is up there with ''Ragnarok'''s "foundations" joke as one of the worst gags in the entire franchise, and made me seriously wish something worse had happened to War Machine during ''Civil War''.

* [=KeyofDestiny=]: As someone who always hated the MCU's constant omission of Uncle Ben, I at least give Homecoming some credit for alluding at him with certain scenes, it wasn't enough but it was something...And even that something is completely lacking in Far From Home. The last straw to me was Mysterio mentioning Tony's death as an example of Peter "not being good enough", [[FlatWhat really?]] The MCU is really that commited to ignore Uncle Ben? Peter had nothing to do with Tony's death, it was his choice to do so, Uncle Ben's death on the other hand actually was Peter's fault and a result of him not being good enough. They had the perfect opportunity to mention Uncle Ben but instead choose to keep shoving that forced father-and-son bond between Peter and Tony down our throats. This was the moment that all but confirmed to me that Uncle Ben is even less than a footnote to Peter in the MCU, if he even exists at all that is.

** Loekman3: Not to mention that besides Tony dying, Natasha ended up having to sacrifice herself, the survivors had to live 5 years of grief due to losing their loved ones & the complications when said victims were suddenly revived ([[ProtagonistCenteredMorality that the movie barely acknowledged]]) and that's not to mention how many timelines that are screwed over due to the unintentional damage from their time travel. If the present day Thanos still remained alive to this day or if there was a way to revive Loki, Gamora and Vision, then it might be an acceptable outcome but in light of this movie, frankly Strange putting much more effort into subduing Thanos or Thor finishing him off then and there would have had a far better outcome than this.

** Not really. Peter disobeyed instructions, and that directly resulted in a lot of people nearly dying. Maybe Tony could have told him but Peter's actions were what led to the problem. He deserved EVERY bit of that lecture.