History DethroningMoment / Film

16th Oct '17 12:31:18 PM DrZulu2010
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** Troper/DrZulu2010: Agreed. While the ending was unique for its time,[[note]]subverting the usual cliche of 50s movies of the bad boy becoming a nice person to be with the woman he loved[[/note]] the sad truth is that time was not kind to this manner of thinking in two ways. First, this could be see as sexist in hindsight (and I don't use this word lightly considering [[VideoGame/{{Bayonetta}} my]] [[VideoGame/SenranKagura tastes]] [[VideoGame/DeadOrAlive in]] [[VideoGame/FateGrandOrder video]] [[VideoGame/HyperdimensionNeptunia games]]) with Sandy deciding that the only way to be with Danny was to look and act like a prostitute. Two, the message to not follow the crowd and be yourself is broken since Sandy gave up her identity, personality and even her looks to be with a group of people. But that's okay! They are such likable rebels! This ending is why I couldn't enjoy ''Grease'' even though the songs are catchy; it gave me such a bad impression even when I first saw it that I'm not surprised the sequel, which is just the first movie with the gender roles reversed, killed any chances for the movies to become a multi-media franchise.
13th Oct '17 2:56:40 AM ClintEastwood
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* {{Tropers/Pgj1997}}: If I'm allowed to put TV Movies on here, then the Nickelodeon movie "Oh Brother" is definitely one for me. All it is is a blown up travel guide for New York City, circa 1995. The meat of this special is nothing but {{filler}}, and doesn't further the story one bit, if it can even be considered a story at all. Nickelodeon is based in New York City by the way, so it's not like there was any budget for this. People nowadays like to say that Nickelodeon throws shit on the screen and will make bank regardless, but trust me, this cheap trait goes WAY back.

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* {{Tropers/Pgj1997}}: If I'm allowed to put TV Movies on here, then the Nickelodeon movie "Oh Brother" ''Oh Brother'' is definitely one for me. All it is is a blown up travel guide for New York City, circa 1995. The meat of this special is nothing but {{filler}}, and doesn't further the story one bit, if it can even be considered a story at all. Nickelodeon is based in New York City by the way, so it's not like there was any budget for this. People nowadays like to say that Nickelodeon throws shit on the screen and will make bank regardless, but trust me, this cheap trait goes WAY back.



* Tropers/{{ManEFaces}}: ''Film/BigFish'' is quite possibly the worst goddamn film Tim Burton has ever directed, and I'm taking ''Film/PlanetOfTheApes2001'' and ''Film/DarkShadows'' into account in making that assessment. We're introduced to Edward Bloom, an old man who is slowly dying, and so his son Will returns to learn the true story about his father’s life because he has felt let down by a lifetime of tall tales and long absences. Instead, we must suffer through Edward’s egomaniacal rants that are assumedly supposed to be cute and charming. He bullies his listeners (and us) into accepting his demented worldview, when the only proper label for this man is that of a congenital liar. Edward’s journey through life, as he tells it, is strikingly similar to Forrest Gump’s; full of wartime heroics, small town eccentrics, and blind love for a vapid woman. Edward’s love story is arguably the most repulsive of the lot, as he falls in love at first sight, announces that will marry this woman even before speaking one word to her, and keeps her in his mind for three years until he can find her again. After he tracks her down at college, he shows up at her door and proposes marriage (again, he has never said one word to the woman). The woman, Sandra, tells him that she is already engaged, which prompts the self-absorbed ass-fucker to increase his obsessive behavior. He buys her thousands of flowers, hires a sky writer, and shouts at her window that he will indeed marry her. Some of the less sophisticated viewers might find this stalker-like behavior romantic, but what I see is a man so self-obsessed that he will not accept rejection. Everyone and everything must be caught, stripped, and placed in his ever-expanding trophy case. Another example of Edward’s ego occurs when Will’s wife is discussing her recently published photos at the dinner table. Rather than ask the young woman to elaborate, Edward uses this as a springboard to bore the family further with another tale that they have heard hundreds of times. Edward simply cannot listen to someone else talk for more than five seconds without having to add his own bullshit, and simply tunes out if other egos intrude on his party. It is conceivable to spend a lifetime with this man without getting to know the real person, or having him know the real you. I have no doubt that many people watching it found a familiar point of reference, as we all know a relative who believes the dinner doesn’t truly begin until he or she enters the goddamn room. Common sense dictates that Edward is just one of those people who likes to add color to life and is merely a harmless clown, but by the end we are meant to take his stories seriously at least partially. My sympathy was with poor Will, who never knew his father because the man was too busy constructing an image to distract from the real prick beneath the lies. And my disgust also extended to Edward’s wife Sandra, as her only lines consist of enabling Edward to be such a bastard. Apparently it doesn’t bother her that Edward hasn’t uttered one word that wasn’t in service of cock-eyed fantasy. If Edward Bloom reminds you of that slightly kooky uncle you haven’t seen in years, then maybe you should give it a shot. But I’m not about to enjoy the sort of behavior from a relative that would cause me to leave the room, simply because it takes place in a movie. Ironically, this film made me think of one of Tim Burton's true masterpieces, ''Film/EdWood'', because the titular character of that film is so much like Edward Bloom. They are both avatars for Burton himself, who is quite content to indulge his own fantasies, yet seems to have no regard for his audience.

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* Tropers/{{ManEFaces}}: ''Film/BigFish'' is quite possibly the worst goddamn film Tim Burton Creator/TimBurton has ever directed, and I'm taking ''Film/PlanetOfTheApes2001'' and ''Film/DarkShadows'' into account in making that assessment. We're introduced to Edward Bloom, an old man who is slowly dying, and so his son Will returns to learn the true story about his father’s life because he has felt let down by a lifetime of tall tales and long absences. Instead, we must suffer through Edward’s egomaniacal rants that are assumedly supposed to be cute and charming. He bullies his listeners (and us) into accepting his demented worldview, when the only proper label for this man is that of a congenital liar. Edward’s journey through life, as he tells it, is strikingly similar to Forrest Gump’s; full of wartime heroics, small town eccentrics, and blind love for a vapid woman. Edward’s love story is arguably the most repulsive of the lot, as he falls in love at first sight, announces that will marry this woman even before speaking one word to her, and keeps her in his mind for three years until he can find her again. After he tracks her down at college, he shows up at her door and proposes marriage (again, he has never said one word to the woman). The woman, Sandra, tells him that she is already engaged, which prompts the self-absorbed ass-fucker to increase his obsessive behavior. He buys her thousands of flowers, hires a sky writer, and shouts at her window that he will indeed marry her. Some of the less sophisticated viewers might find this stalker-like behavior romantic, but what I see is a man so self-obsessed that he will not accept rejection. Everyone and everything must be caught, stripped, and placed in his ever-expanding trophy case. Another example of Edward’s ego occurs when Will’s wife is discussing her recently published photos at the dinner table. Rather than ask the young woman to elaborate, Edward uses this as a springboard to bore the family further with another tale that they have heard hundreds of times. Edward simply cannot listen to someone else talk for more than five seconds without having to add his own bullshit, and simply tunes out if other egos intrude on his party. It is conceivable to spend a lifetime with this man without getting to know the real person, or having him know the real you. I have no doubt that many people watching it found a familiar point of reference, as we all know a relative who believes the dinner doesn’t truly begin until he or she enters the goddamn room. Common sense dictates that Edward is just one of those people who likes to add color to life and is merely a harmless clown, but by the end we are meant to take his stories seriously at least partially. My sympathy was with poor Will, who never knew his father because the man was too busy constructing an image to distract from the real prick beneath the lies. And my disgust also extended to Edward’s wife Sandra, as her only lines consist of enabling Edward to be such a bastard. Apparently it doesn’t bother her that Edward hasn’t uttered one word that wasn’t in service of cock-eyed fantasy. If Edward Bloom reminds you of that slightly kooky uncle you haven’t seen in years, then maybe you should give it a shot. But I’m not about to enjoy the sort of behavior from a relative that would cause me to leave the room, simply because it takes place in a movie. Ironically, this film made me think of one of Tim Burton's true masterpieces, ''Film/EdWood'', because the titular character of that film is so much like Edward Bloom. They are both avatars for Burton himself, who is quite content to indulge his own fantasies, yet seems to have no regard for his audience.
27th Sep '17 11:01:44 PM Lemia
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* Lemia: ''Film/EverythingEverything'' was one of the most frustrating film-watching experiences I've ever had because it has so many praiseworthy things about it -- a visibly biracial female lead, a teen romance that feels genuinely sweet and organic with real chemistry between the characters, and the film taking care to show how the lead isn't defined solely by her immunodeficiency disorder and can lead a meaningful life even with it -- and yet all of these things are completely overshadowed by one of the most appallingly tone-deaf plot twists I've ever seen: the lead's immunodeficiency disorder was all made up by her mother who just couldn't bear to lose her to the wide, scary world! And the lead very quickly forgives her for this, in spite of her mother basically having confined her indoors and rendered her unable to lead a normal life for EIGHTEEN FREAKING YEARS with this gigantic lie! Goddammit movie, why couldn't you have been content with just being a straightforward teen romance instead of pulling this bullshit twist that creates massive UnfortunateImplications about how the lead's disability was never "real" and can just be conveniently explained away to give her a 100% happy ending?!
11th Sep '17 2:20:28 PM Miracle@StOlaf
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** Miracle @ St. Olaf: What makes it so bad is that they went to the trouble of establishing Stormtroopers as being kidnapped and brainwashed from childhood, and thus also tragic victims of the First Order's machinations. From there, though, the film proceeds to ignore that setup for everyone except Finn, along with all the interesting possibilities for conflict that it introduces, and simply depicts them all as bog-standard mooks for our heroes to kill by the cartload. It's not a bad idea to try introducing some shades of grey into a universe that otherwise uses BlackAndWhiteMorality, but for the love of God, don't half-ass it; giving Stormtroopers a sympathetic background and leaving it at that just makes watching them get slaughtered a lot more uncomfortable than it used to be, back when they were implied to be a volunteer evil army.

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** Miracle @ St. Olaf: What makes it so bad is that they went to the trouble of establishing Stormtroopers as being kidnapped and brainwashed from childhood, and thus also tragic victims of the First Order's machinations. From there, though, the film proceeds to ignore that setup for everyone except Finn, along with all the interesting possibilities for conflict that it introduces, and simply depicts them all as bog-standard mooks for our heroes to kill by the cartload. It's not a bad idea to try introducing some shades of grey into a universe that otherwise uses BlackAndWhiteMorality, but for the love of God, don't half-ass it; giving Stormtroopers a sympathetic background as forced conscripts and leaving it at that just makes watching them get slaughtered a lot more uncomfortable than it used to be, back when they were just implied to be a volunteer an all-volunteer evil army.
11th Sep '17 1:52:59 PM Miracle@StOlaf
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* {{Tropers/ScotieRw}}: The mom chick from ''Film/TheBabdook'' needs to get her $3!& together. She's stressed out because her kid has behavior issues and her husband's dead, understandable. But at one point her kid's school wants to have a monitor monitor the boy after he brings a homemade crossbow thing to school, implying they might suspect he's misbehaving not because he''s a brat but because there's something wrong with him. She takes the kid out of school because she doesn't want him o get picked on. So basically the chick thought her son's elementary social life was more important than making sure he grows up in to a well functioning adult.

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* {{Tropers/ScotieRw}}: The mom chick from ''Film/TheBabdook'' ''Film/TheBabadook'' needs to get her $3!& together. She's stressed out because her kid has behavior issues and her husband's dead, understandable. But at one point her kid's school wants to have a monitor monitor the boy after he brings a homemade crossbow thing to school, implying they might suspect he's misbehaving not because he''s a brat but because there's something wrong with him. She takes the kid out of school because she doesn't want him o get picked on. So basically the chick thought her son's elementary social life was more important than making sure he grows up in to a well functioning adult.
11th Sep '17 1:52:00 PM Miracle@StOlaf
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** Miracle @ St. Olaf: What makes it so bad is that they went to the trouble of establishing Stormtroopers as being kidnapped and brainwashed from childhood, and thus also tragic victims of the First Order's machinations. From there, though, the film proceeds to ignore that setup for everyone except Finn, along with all the interesting possibilities for conflict that it introduces, and simply depicts them all as bog-standard evil mooks for our heroes to kill by the cartload. It's not a bad idea to try introducing some shades of grey into a universe that otherwise uses BlackAndWhiteMorality, but for the love of God, don't half-ass it; giving Stormtroopers a sympathetic background and leaving it at that just makes watching them get slaughtered a lot more uncomfortable than it used to be.

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** Miracle @ St. Olaf: What makes it so bad is that they went to the trouble of establishing Stormtroopers as being kidnapped and brainwashed from childhood, and thus also tragic victims of the First Order's machinations. From there, though, the film proceeds to ignore that setup for everyone except Finn, along with all the interesting possibilities for conflict that it introduces, and simply depicts them all as bog-standard evil mooks for our heroes to kill by the cartload. It's not a bad idea to try introducing some shades of grey into a universe that otherwise uses BlackAndWhiteMorality, but for the love of God, don't half-ass it; giving Stormtroopers a sympathetic background and leaving it at that just makes watching them get slaughtered a lot more uncomfortable than it used to be.be, back when they were implied to be a volunteer evil army.
8th Sep '17 11:23:35 AM Nikku
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* Nikku: Although I enjoyed the movie, one part of ''Film/AustinPowersTheSpyWhoShaggedMe'' that really irked me was how they suddenly revealed that [[spoiler: Vanessa was a Fembot all along]]. As someone who loved her character in the first movie, this just came across as lousy writing and a massive kick in the face to the audience. To top it all off [[spoiler: she's destroyed almost immediately and Austin grieves for all of 10 seconds]]. She then gets a brief mention, but that's it. I get that it's parodying the James Bond thing of him having a different girl in each film, but still. I'm still holding out on that fan theory that the real one was just captured and replaced.

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* Nikku: {{Nikku}}: Although I enjoyed the movie, one part of ''Film/AustinPowersTheSpyWhoShaggedMe'' that really irked me was how they suddenly revealed that [[spoiler: Vanessa was a Fembot all along]]. As someone who loved her character in the first movie, this just came across as lousy writing and a massive kick in the face to the audience. To top it all off [[spoiler: she's destroyed almost immediately and Austin grieves for all of 10 seconds]]. She then gets a brief mention, but that's it. I get that it's parodying the James Bond thing of him having a different girl in each film, but still. I'm still holding out on that fan theory that the real one was just captured and replaced.
8th Sep '17 11:07:10 AM Nikku
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* Nikku: Although I enjoyed the movie, one part of ''Film/AustinPowersTheSpyWhoShaggedMe'' that really irked me was how they suddenly revealed that [[spoiler: Vanessa was a Fembot all along]]. As someone who loved her character in the first movie, this just came across as lousy writing and a massive kick in the face to the audience. To top it all off [[spoiler: she's destroyed almost immediately and Austin grieves for all of 10 seconds]]. She then gets a brief mention, but that's it. I get that it's parodying the James Bond thing of him having a different girl in each film, but still. I'm still holding out on that fan theory that the real one was just captured and replaced.
26th Aug '17 8:01:02 AM Peridonyx
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** Tropers/{{Peridonyx}}: I mostly like this version... except for the DeletedScene with [[ToiletHumor Monsieur Toilette]]. It just overlaps FridgeHorror with {{Squick}} too much for me to see it as CrossesTheLineTwice -- especially during the ending: Now-human [[TheWoobie Toilette]] is too busy (justifiably) HeroicBSOD-ing over his curse-related experiences to be overjoyed like the rest of the castle's inhabitants, thus technically being cheated out of his own little EarnYourHappyEnding. Thankfully, said scene didn't make it into the final cut -- because otherwise, The Enchantress would've been a full-on MemeticPsychopath out of some {{Creepypasta}}, instead of just a BaseBreakingCharacter with questionable BlueAndOrangeMorality.
21st Jul '17 9:04:32 PM alienhunter
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* alienhunter: While I wasn't enjoying ''Film/TheABCsOfDeath'' all that much, it was a fun film to watch with some friends and riff on the strangeness. But after P [[spoiler: is for Pressure]], I just couldn't watch anymore. It was just depressing with a woman prostituting herself out to raise money for a bike for her daughter and if that wasn't bad enough, the segment ends with [[spoiler: the woman recording a video of her stepping on these adorable animals for this guy to get off to.]] After that, I just left the room and I don't care about the next segments, I'm never watching this movie ever again.
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