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13th Apr '16 12:44:07 PM kenyastarflight
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* Tropers/KenyaStarflight: Don't get me wrong, I love ''Film/PacificRim'' with all my heart, to the point where I've [[ShamelessSelfPromoter written my own]] [[Fanfic/{{Domovoi}} fan sequel]]. But the script writers really should have known that the plural for kaiju (yes, it's an actual word) is "kaiju," not "kaijus." Yeah, yeah, a movie bursting with HollywoodScience and it's [[GrammarNazi a language fail that I take the most issue with]], but it raises my hackles every time I hear it.
11th Apr '16 3:10:45 PM kenyastarflight
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* Troper/KenyaStarflight: I'm not saying that ''Film/TheOogielovesInTheBigBalloonAdventure'' is a good film by any means... but it crosses a line from being bad to being downright insulting with the introduction of Lero and Lola Sombrero, two [[EthnicScrappy Ethnic Scrappies]] that embody everything that's wrong with the {{Spexico}} trope (with [[SnakeCharmer a bizarre jab at East Indian culture]] for good measure). As if being a bad parody of Hispanic/Spanish culture wasn't enough, neither of them are actually played by a Spanish/Hispanic/Latino actor! Did the filmmakers honestly think that when viewers think Hispanic/Spanish culture, they think of Jaime Pressly and Creator/ChristopherLloyd? [[TheyJustDidntCare Or did they just not care?]]
10th Apr '16 10:35:07 PM Loekman3
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* Tropers/Loekman3: ComicBook/JimmyOlsen being killed off so casually in ''Film/BatmanVSupermanDawnOfJustice'' is one of my biggest gripes against the movie. Here we have one of the most important characters in the Superman universe as Superman's best friend and greatly looked up to him. There could be a lot of potential interactions between him, Lois and Clark in the big screen. When I was watching the movie, I began to ask myself where is Jimmy? It turns out that he is actually the same CIA agent that gets killed off early on. Adding insult to the injury, he is not mentioned by anyone, not by Clark, not Lois and certainly not his boss Perry White and his death isn't even treated as a major event happening. To me, Zack Snyder just casually kills him off because he wants to ShooOutTheClowns for this DarkerAndEdgier movie [[ItAmusedMe just because he can]]. TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter at its finest.
2nd Apr '16 6:32:06 PM Miracle@StOlaf
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** Miracle @ St. Olaf: What makes it so bad is that they went to the trouble of establishing Stormtroopers as being kidnapped and brainwashed from childhood, and thus also tragic victims of the First Order's machinations. From there, though, the film proceeds to ignore that setup for everyone except Finn, along with all the interesting possibilities for conflict that it introduces, and simply depicts them all as bog-standard evil mooks for our heroes to kill by the cartload. It's not a bad idea to try introducing some shades of grey into a universe that otherwise uses BlackAndWhiteMorality, but for the love of God, don't half-ass it.
31st Mar '16 6:29:14 AM Retloclive
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* ''DethroningMoment/HarryPotter''
* ''DethroningMoment/TheHungerGames''



* ''DethroningMoment/HarryPotter''
* ''DethroningMoment/TheHungerGames''
31st Mar '16 6:23:55 AM Retloclive
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* ''DethroningMoment/MarvelCinematicUniverse''



* Shadow200: Don't get me wrong I enjoyed ''Film/IronMan3'' and got my money's worth from it but the fact that his long time archnemesis from the comics The Mandarin turns out to be nothing but a [[spoiler: washed up drug addict actor hired by the real BigBad]] really doesn't settle with me. All the promos and interviews suggested he'd be Tony Stark's greatest foe and when its revealed he's [[spoiler: drugged out of his mind and doesn't have a clue what's really going on]] irks me as I felt they wasted a perfectly good character and plot as their rivalry was based on technology vs magic and Advancement vs Tradition. Still enjoyed the movie but that part just bugs me.
** Jaydude1992: From ''Film/IronMan3'' there's the final battle, between the BigBad plus minions, who all have MyBloodRunsHot style powers, and all of Tony's suits being controlled by Jarvis. You'd think this would be a [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome CMOA]], particularly if you saw this bit in the trailer, but no. TheWorfEffect is in full play as, rather than fight them at range with their repulsor rays, the suits get into punch-ups with the minions, whom the protagonists should know by now can give themselves body temperatures of around 3000 degrees celsius, and are frequently torn apart as a result. It really doesn't help that the earlier versions of the Iron Man armour were capable of taking on terrorist cells, squads of very similar armoured drones, and virtually everything the Chitauri could throw at them. The latest versions? [[BadassDecay They have trouble fighting men and women with superheated bodies]].
** Miracle @ St. Olaf: Not to mention that the men and women our heroes are taking on happen to be U.S. Military vets who were treated with Extremis to regrow limbs they lost in combat, and are all willing and eager to slaughter their own countrymen through terrorist attacks in exchange for job security. The Mandarin's RaceLift was very obviously done to avoid offending part of the audience, and way to go on that, but how did nobody involved consider that making his evil henchmen wounded U.S. soldiers just might be even more offensive to a lot of viewers?



* RAZ: TheReveal in ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier'' [[spoiler: that HYDRA has been controlling SHIELD since its inception.]] I could buy it if there was a valid excuse for the twist, but the reason given for how it happened is beyond stupid. [[spoiler: The reason HYDRA is in control is all because the non-corrupt members like Peggy Carter and Howard Stark [[TooDumbToLive recruited Arnim Zola of their own free will into a high-ranking position which he exploited, the two of them completely ignoring his background with HYDRA in the past]].]] If that's supposed to be what's considered "good" writing, then I have no problem dropping these terrible movies.
** [=RedHudsonicus=]: But…that's basically what Operation Paperclip was: "Operation Paperclip was the Office of Strategic Services (OSS) program in which over 1,500 German scientists, technicians, and engineers from Nazi Germany and other foreign countries were brought to the United States for employment in the aftermath of World War II." And Zola had cooperated with the SSR leading to the thwarting of Red Skull's plan. Given that he also managed to at least partially re-create the effects of the super soldier serum in [[spoiler: Bucky]], he'd be a prime candidate. Moreover, the film never establishes that it was Peggy Cater and/or Howard Stark specifically that recruited him -- he was already in SSR hands before SHIELD's formation.
** Tropers/{{akanesarumara}}: My bone to pick with that reveal was that it felt like a cop-out. Up until then it felt like it was heading the thought-provoking way of adding a level of gray to SHIELD and the government and actually debating the question of how much secrecy and freedom will we give up for safety. But no of course they had to include the Nazis. Because remember, your own government would never go to such lengths.



* Animeking1108: ''Film/ThorTheDarkWorld'' had a bit of a problem with putting in comedy at inappropriate moments, but the moment that took the cake was Thor and Jane returning to Earth after [[spoiler: Loki seemingly dies]]. It was such a tear-jerking dramatic moment, and they immediately follow it up with Erik walking around pantless and even making a crack at [[spoiler: Loki's]] expense. I get that Erik [[spoiler: hates Loki for the shit he pulled on him in ''Film/{{The Avengers|2012}}'']], but couldn't they have done that a little less comedic?
* [=TerrorToad=]: ''Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxy'' The freaking stupid 'Ooh Child' dance at the end. Ronan, who at this point has ultimate power and needs only to drop his hammer to win, literally stands there for a full minute with his mouth hanging open while Starlord sings and dances around like an idiot, instead of just killing him. It killed the mood and was just a bottom of the barrel joke. Any dignity the movie and Ronan might've had died there.
* Ninja857142: ''Film/AvengersAgeOfUltron'' was actually a pretty good, underrated movie in my opinion. I think people just [[ToughActToFollow raised their expectations way too high.]] However, my moment is when Scarlet Witch brainwashes Bruce Banner. Seriously? [[IdiotBall Right beside a populated city with thousands of civilians? What was she thinking?]] How many people did she injure or even kill by doing that? She and Quicksilver could have just left him alone. Honestly, she comes off as [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic very unsympathetic to me]]; I can hardly blame Banner for trying to strangle her later. [[TearJerker Can you imagine how much undeserved guilt the guy is going through?]] As far as he knows, he's attacking a mind-manipulating murderer who coincidentally started the entire conflict in the first place.
* DoctorSleep: ''Film/AntMan'' managed a DM with just a trailer. There's a scene where Scott Lang is goading Hope into showing him how to punch. Hope responds by punching him right in the face. You don't have to picture that moment with the genders reversed, because that exact same thing happened in the comics when Hank Pym smacked his wife. By playing a woman bashing a man as a punchline when the opposite is considered abhorrent just shows how low Marvel Studios is willing to sink for the sake of a joke. No wonder they lost a comedic craftsman like Edgar Wright. \\
Adding to this is the fact that Hope ultimately gets with Scott in the end. Iron Man had Tony and Pepper take things slow. Thor, Captain America and The Incredible Hulk ended with the heroes not getting with their love interests due to their overwhelming responsibilities. Ant-Man ends with Scott falling for the woman who attacked him, simply because she's there. Way to speak out against domestic violence.
1st Mar '16 12:08:18 AM KingClark
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** Tropers/KingClark: I've given a lot of thought about what the absolute worst moment in ''[=Fant4stic=]'' is. I've considered the above butchering of a classic catchphrase, the expedition only happening as a result of the characters getting drunk and getting inspired by Victor's rant full of many {{Critical Research Failure}}s, Sue being left out of said expedition while Ben (who had nothing to do with the construction of the teleporter) is inexplicably brought in, Reed abandoning his friends (which is something the comics character would never do), and [[FightSceneFailure the hilariously awful climactic fight scene]] as potential things to include as my choice for this movie's DMOS. What I've ultimately decided is the absolute cherry on top of this cinematic disaster is what immediately follows the only action sequence in the movie: after [[DesignatedHero our "heroes"]] have stopped the villain and hundreds of thousands of people die, they act like they're entitled to have their own base and work away from the government. While annoying, this wouldn't have been so bad if it weren't for the fact that they actually threaten the government with a terrorist threat when they first say that they might not comply (which is PlayedForLaughs in a pitiful attempt at humor). Bear in mind that, for whatever reason, [[DesignatedVillain the government is presented as completely vile in spite of not actually doing anything remotely reprehensible]], and that the last superpowered individual they came in contact with very nearly destroyed the planet, meaning that [[StrawmanHasAPoint they'd actually be justified in being apprehensive toward answering to their demands]]. The movie essentially turned these iconic superheroes into bratty, egocentric terrorists in the course of a single scene, and the writers of the movie expect us viewers to be on their side. It goes utterly against the world that Creator/JackKirby and Creator/StanLee invented, and it's utterly disgusting to see the Fantastic Four get this treatment. They deserve better treatment on film than this.

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** Tropers/KingClark: I've given a lot of thought about what the absolute worst moment in ''[=Fant4stic=]'' is. I've considered the above butchering of a classic catchphrase, the expedition only happening as a result of the characters getting drunk and getting inspired by Victor's rant full of many {{Critical Research Failure}}s, Sue being left out of said expedition while Ben (who had nothing to do with the construction of the teleporter) is inexplicably brought in, Reed abandoning his friends (which is something the comics character would never do), without any motivation whatsoever, and [[FightSceneFailure the hilariously awful climactic fight scene]] as potential things to include as my choice for this movie's DMOS. What I've ultimately decided is the absolute cherry on top of this cinematic disaster is what immediately follows the only action sequence in the entire movie: after [[DesignatedHero our "heroes"]] have stopped the villain and hundreds of thousands of people die, they act like they're entitled to have their own base and work away from the government. While annoying, this wouldn't have been so bad if it weren't for the fact that they actually threaten the government with a terrorist threat when they first say that they might not comply (which is PlayedForLaughs in a pitiful attempt at humor). Bear in mind that, for whatever reason, [[DesignatedVillain the government is presented as completely vile in spite of not actually doing anything remotely reprehensible]], and that the last superpowered individual they came in contact with very nearly destroyed the planet, meaning that [[StrawmanHasAPoint they'd actually be justified in being apprehensive toward answering to their demands]]. The movie essentially turned these iconic superheroes into bratty, egocentric terrorists in the course of a single scene, and the writers of the movie expect us viewers to be on their side. It goes utterly against the world that Creator/JackKirby and Creator/StanLee invented, and it's utterly disgusting to see the Fantastic Four get this treatment. They deserve better treatment on film than this.
1st Mar '16 12:07:12 AM KingClark
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** Tropers/KingClark: I've given a lot of thought about what the absolute worst moment in ''[=Fant4stic=]'' is. I've considered the above butchering of a classic catchphrase, the expedition only happening as a result of the characters getting drunk and getting inspired by Victor's rant full of many {{Critical Research Failure}}s, Sue being left out of said expedition while Ben (who had nothing to do with the construction of the teleporter) is inexplicably brought in, Reed abandoning his friends (which is something the comics character would never do), and [[FightSceneFailure the hilariously awful climactic fight scene]] as potential examples. What I've ultimately decided is the absolute cherry on top of this cinematic disaster is what immediately follows the only action sequence in the movie: after [[DesignatedHero our "heroes"]] have stopped the villain and hundreds of thousands of people die, they act like they're entitled to have their own base and work away from the government. While annoying, this wouldn't have been so bad if it weren't for the fact that they actually threaten the government with a terrorist threat when they first say that they might not comply (which is PlayedForLaughs in a pitiful attempt at humor). Bear in mind that, for whatever reason, [[DesignatedVillain the government is presented as completely vile in spite of not actually doing anything remotely reprehensible]], and that the last superpowered individual they came in contact with very nearly destroyed the planet, meaning that [[StrawmanHasAPoint they'd actually be justified in being apprehensive toward answering to their demands]]. The movie essentially turned these iconic superheroes into bratty, egocentric terrorists in the course of a single scene, and we're expected to be on their side. It goes utterly against the world that Creator/JackKirby and Creator/StanLee invented, and it's utterly disgusting to see the Fantastic Four get this treatment. They deserve better than this.

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** Tropers/KingClark: I've given a lot of thought about what the absolute worst moment in ''[=Fant4stic=]'' is. I've considered the above butchering of a classic catchphrase, the expedition only happening as a result of the characters getting drunk and getting inspired by Victor's rant full of many {{Critical Research Failure}}s, Sue being left out of said expedition while Ben (who had nothing to do with the construction of the teleporter) is inexplicably brought in, Reed abandoning his friends (which is something the comics character would never do), and [[FightSceneFailure the hilariously awful climactic fight scene]] as potential examples.things to include as my choice for this movie's DMOS. What I've ultimately decided is the absolute cherry on top of this cinematic disaster is what immediately follows the only action sequence in the movie: after [[DesignatedHero our "heroes"]] have stopped the villain and hundreds of thousands of people die, they act like they're entitled to have their own base and work away from the government. While annoying, this wouldn't have been so bad if it weren't for the fact that they actually threaten the government with a terrorist threat when they first say that they might not comply (which is PlayedForLaughs in a pitiful attempt at humor). Bear in mind that, for whatever reason, [[DesignatedVillain the government is presented as completely vile in spite of not actually doing anything remotely reprehensible]], and that the last superpowered individual they came in contact with very nearly destroyed the planet, meaning that [[StrawmanHasAPoint they'd actually be justified in being apprehensive toward answering to their demands]]. The movie essentially turned these iconic superheroes into bratty, egocentric terrorists in the course of a single scene, and we're expected the writers of the movie expect us viewers to be on their side. It goes utterly against the world that Creator/JackKirby and Creator/StanLee invented, and it's utterly disgusting to see the Fantastic Four get this treatment. They deserve better treatment on film than this.
1st Mar '16 12:05:24 AM KingClark
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** Tropers/KingClark: I've given a lot of thought about what the absolute worst moment in ''[=Fant4stic=]'' is. I've considered the above butchering of a classic catchphrase, the expedition only happening as a result of the characters getting drunk and getting inspired by a speech full of many {{Critical Research Failure}}s, Sue being left out of said expedition while Ben (who had nothing to do with the construction of the teleporter) is inexplicably brought in, Reed abandoning his friends (which is something the comics character would never do), [[FightSceneFailure the hilariously awful climactic fight scene]], and Johnny acting like a complete bully to Ben for no reason. But I've decided that the absolute cherry on top of this cinematic disaster is the scene at the end: after [[DesignatedHero our "heroes"]] have stopped the villain and hundreds of thousands of people die, they act like they're entitled to have their own base and work away from the government. While annoying, this wouldn't have been so bad if it weren't for the fact that they actually threaten the government with a terrorist threat if they don't comply (which is PlayedForLaughs in a pitiful attempt at humor). Bear in mind that, for whatever reason, [[DesignatedVillain the government is presented as completely vile in spite of not actually doing anything remotely reprehensible]].

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** Tropers/KingClark: I've given a lot of thought about what the absolute worst moment in ''[=Fant4stic=]'' is. I've considered the above butchering of a classic catchphrase, the expedition only happening as a result of the characters getting drunk and getting inspired by a speech Victor's rant full of many {{Critical Research Failure}}s, Sue being left out of said expedition while Ben (who had nothing to do with the construction of the teleporter) is inexplicably brought in, Reed abandoning his friends (which is something the comics character would never do), and [[FightSceneFailure the hilariously awful climactic fight scene]], and Johnny acting like a complete bully to Ben for no reason. But scene]] as potential examples. What I've ultimately decided that is the absolute cherry on top of this cinematic disaster is what immediately follows the scene at only action sequence in the end: movie: after [[DesignatedHero our "heroes"]] have stopped the villain and hundreds of thousands of people die, they act like they're entitled to have their own base and work away from the government. While annoying, this wouldn't have been so bad if it weren't for the fact that they actually threaten the government with a terrorist threat if when they don't first say that they might not comply (which is PlayedForLaughs in a pitiful attempt at humor). Bear in mind that, for whatever reason, [[DesignatedVillain the government is presented as completely vile in spite of not actually doing anything remotely reprehensible]].reprehensible]], and that the last superpowered individual they came in contact with very nearly destroyed the planet, meaning that [[StrawmanHasAPoint they'd actually be justified in being apprehensive toward answering to their demands]]. The movie essentially turned these iconic superheroes into bratty, egocentric terrorists in the course of a single scene, and we're expected to be on their side. It goes utterly against the world that Creator/JackKirby and Creator/StanLee invented, and it's utterly disgusting to see the Fantastic Four get this treatment. They deserve better than this.
29th Feb '16 11:56:18 PM KingClark
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* Tropers/KingClark: I was looking forward to seeing how Marc Webb would interpret Norman Osborn for ''Film/TheAmazingSpiderMan2'' after teasing the character in the first movie, and especially after reading the tie-in website (''The Daily Bugle'' Tumblr) in its entirety, which brought even more interesting aspects of what he could do in the movie and its sequels. What ended up happening? He appears for a memorable OneSceneWonder... [[WeHardlyKnewYe And then he]] [[DroppedABridgeOnHim dies unceremoniously]]. This was the best way they could refit Peter Parker's definitive ArchEnemy to the new series? TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter doesn't begin to cover it - it's as bad as the aforementioned ''Iron Man 3'' incident (which Marvel at least fixed in time by means of an AuthorsSavingThrow in a short film). It's even more grating when you look at the other villains they introduced in the movie - Electro (whose descent into evil becomes inconsistent after his first fight with Spider-Man), Harry Osborn/Green Goblin (whose CharacterDevelopment did make sense, but his inclusion in the film as the true BigBad stole time away from Electro and felt like a forced way to set up the ''Sinister Six'' movie - his role as a supervillain probably should have been done in the sequel), and the Rhino (who basically is only in the film so Sony could make money off of merchandise of the character) - none of which have the same impact as the CorruptCorporateExecutive. To add insult to injury, TheStinger that was intended to be included in the movie, which would have shown that Norman Osborn's demise was a DeathFakedForYou and that he was being preserved cryogenically, was cut from the movie in favor of a randomly-included preview of ''Film/XMenDaysOfFuturePast'' (thanks, ExecutiveMeddling) - and since that's out of the picture, there's no indication that they'll bring the character back to do things right the next time. All of this reeks of Sony trying to set up their own [[Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse MCU]]-[[FollowTheLeader knockoff]] and making profits off of the merchandise rather than creating a story faithful to the iconic character. [[OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight Can Marvel Studios just have the rights to Spider-Man back yet?]]


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** Tropers/KingClark: I've given a lot of thought about what the absolute worst moment in ''[=Fant4stic=]'' is. I've considered the above butchering of a classic catchphrase, the expedition only happening as a result of the characters getting drunk and getting inspired by a speech full of many {{Critical Research Failure}}s, Sue being left out of said expedition while Ben (who had nothing to do with the construction of the teleporter) is inexplicably brought in, Reed abandoning his friends (which is something the comics character would never do), [[FightSceneFailure the hilariously awful climactic fight scene]], and Johnny acting like a complete bully to Ben for no reason. But I've decided that the absolute cherry on top of this cinematic disaster is the scene at the end: after [[DesignatedHero our "heroes"]] have stopped the villain and hundreds of thousands of people die, they act like they're entitled to have their own base and work away from the government. While annoying, this wouldn't have been so bad if it weren't for the fact that they actually threaten the government with a terrorist threat if they don't comply (which is PlayedForLaughs in a pitiful attempt at humor). Bear in mind that, for whatever reason, [[DesignatedVillain the government is presented as completely vile in spite of not actually doing anything remotely reprehensible]].
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