History DethroningMoment / Film

5th May '18 11:55:19 AM Midna
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** k9feline5: For me, what makes that scene a DMOS is the ridiculous notion that LOTR fans would be so shocked and demoralized by someone making Frodo/Sam HoYay insults, they'd have no option but to vomit, as if LOTR fans had never heard gay hobbit jokes before. Any chance there were still LOTR fans out there that sheltered was dead by late 2004 (and ''ClerksII'' came out in 2006, so no excuse there, Smith) with the release of the LOTR:Return of King Extended Edition DVD, which included a comedy sketch where Hollywood executives try to get Creator/PeterJackson to make a LOTR sequel that would be all about Frodo/Sam HoYay. If Randall had made those HoYay jabs to RealLife LOTR fans, they'd most likely start quoting from that sketch.

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** k9feline5: For me, what makes that scene a DMOS is the ridiculous notion that LOTR fans would be so shocked and demoralized by someone making Frodo/Sam HoYay insults, they'd have no option but to vomit, as if LOTR fans had never heard gay hobbit jokes before. Any chance there were still LOTR fans out there that sheltered was dead by late 2004 (and ''ClerksII'' ''Clerks II'' came out in 2006, so no excuse there, Smith) with the release of the LOTR:Return ''LOTR: Return of King Extended Edition Edition'' DVD, which included a comedy sketch where Hollywood executives try to get Creator/PeterJackson to make a LOTR sequel that would be all about Frodo/Sam HoYay. If Randall had made those HoYay jabs to RealLife LOTR fans, they'd most likely start quoting from that sketch.



** Tropers/{{Allronix}}: Flynn's creepy behavior towards Yori and that damn kiss. First of all, Flynn behaves like a creep to her because she looks like the ex he's still hung up on (and Lora was obviously the one who dumped him...and upgraded to Alan, who actually behaves like a responsible adult). Yori was clearly unsettled by him, and he kept making attempts to get in her space. It was also clearly obvious that she and Tron were a committed couple, and Flynn wasn't able to respect that. Digging himself deeper, Yori is (from a certain point of view) Lora's ''daughter.'' Yuck! Oh, and she had ''no'' idea what he was doing to her or what it meant, judging from her kissing Tron later, and Tron having no idea what it was. And to add a gallon of gasoline to the dumpster fire in progress, he's technically a ''deity'' over her, meaning that even if she did know, she wouldn't be in a position to tell him "no," making it a {{downplayed}} (but still awful) case of DoubleStandardRapeDivineOnMortal. Just how many lines was El Duderino trying to cross here?
** Tropers/{{Allronix}}: On the flip side, her ''absence'' from the ''Film/TronLegacy'' canon can also be one. Bridges, Boxletitner, Warner, and even Dan Shor were asked for some kind of RoleReprisal, while Cindy Morgan got hammered hard with MenGetOldWomenGetReplaced, reduced to a couple bits in the ARG. Yori and Lora were characters that ran on a lot of FridgeBrilliance, with ''Lora'' being the one who invented the laser, made the decision to warn Flynn, and got Flynn and Alan on the same page to make the Encom break-in PowerTrio. Yori was implied to help run the laser, handled strategy, planning, diplomacy, and built/piloted the getaway vehicle - everything but the fighting. Come the sequel, neither one was worth a ''mention,'' with Flynn apparently appropriating the laser that was Lora's life's work, taking it for joyrides, and setting himself up to take full glory and credit for his "digital frontier," basically '''''doing to her what Dillinger did to him.''''' And there's no one calling his ass out for this, because Morgan's characters were shoved out of sight as fast as possible.
* Tropers/{{Allronix}}: The dethroning moment of suck for the ''Film/{{TRON}}'' franchise? It's the BadassDecay of Flynn. In the first film, he was something of a JerkWithAHeartOfGold; even with the trail of "what were you thinking?!" moments (like sexually harassing Yori - not cool, El Duderino), you knew he'd do the right thing when the chips were truly down. But then the coup, running off to the Outlands with Quorra and then what? He pretty much sits on his ass meditating while The Grid burns around him. We get this token line about how he fought Clu and it "made him stronger," but the fact that Clu's pretty much taken the whole thing over makes the whole line sound like an excuse. We don't even get a mention in ''WesternAnimation/TronUprising'' about Flynn resisting Clu (you'd think that if the local DeityOfHumanOrigin and the local batshit crazy avatar were at active war with one another, someone would mention it). But no, from all the evidence presented, Flynn essentially buggered off to a cave with Olivia Wilde, knifed the Programs in the back, and let Clu have whatever he wanted until Sam knocks some sense into him.

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** Tropers/{{Allronix}}: Flynn's creepy behavior towards Yori and that damn kiss. First of all, Flynn behaves like a creep to her because she looks like the ex he's still hung up on (and Lora was obviously the one who dumped him...and upgraded to Alan, who actually behaves like a responsible adult). Yori was clearly unsettled by him, and he kept making attempts to get in her space. It was also clearly obvious that she and Tron were a committed couple, and Flynn wasn't able to respect that. Digging himself deeper, Yori is (from a certain point of view) Lora's ''daughter.'' daughter. Yuck! Oh, and she had ''no'' no idea what he was doing to her or what it meant, judging from her kissing Tron later, and Tron having no idea what it was. And to add a gallon of gasoline to the dumpster fire in progress, he's technically a ''deity'' deity over her, meaning that even if she did know, she wouldn't be in a position to tell him "no," making it a {{downplayed}} (but still awful) case of DoubleStandardRapeDivineOnMortal. Just how many lines was El Duderino trying to cross here?
** Tropers/{{Allronix}}:
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On the flip side, her ''absence'' absence from the ''Film/TronLegacy'' canon can also be one. Bridges, Boxletitner, Warner, and even Dan Shor were asked for some kind of RoleReprisal, while Cindy Morgan got hammered hard with MenGetOldWomenGetReplaced, reduced to a couple bits in the ARG. Yori and Lora were characters that ran on a lot of FridgeBrilliance, with ''Lora'' Lora being the one who invented the laser, made the decision to warn Flynn, and got Flynn and Alan on the same page to make the Encom break-in PowerTrio. Yori was implied to help run the laser, handled strategy, planning, diplomacy, and built/piloted the getaway vehicle - everything but the fighting. Come the sequel, neither one was worth even a ''mention,'' mention, with Flynn apparently appropriating the laser that was Lora's life's work, taking it for joyrides, and setting himself up to take full glory and credit for his "digital frontier," basically '''''doing doing to her exactly what Dillinger did to him.''''' him. And there's no one calling his ass out for this, because Morgan's characters were shoved out of sight as fast as possible.
* Tropers/{{Allronix}}:
possible.\\
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The dethroning moment of suck for the ''Film/{{TRON}}'' franchise? It's the BadassDecay of Flynn. In the first film, he was something of a JerkWithAHeartOfGold; even with the trail of "what were you thinking?!" moments (like sexually harassing Yori - not cool, El Duderino), you knew he'd do the right thing when the chips were truly down. But then the coup, running off to the Outlands with Quorra and then what? He pretty much sits on his ass meditating while The Grid burns around him. We get this token line about how he fought Clu and it "made him stronger," but the fact that Clu's pretty much taken the whole thing over makes the whole line sound like an excuse. We don't even get a mention in ''WesternAnimation/TronUprising'' about Flynn resisting Clu (you'd think that if the local DeityOfHumanOrigin and the local batshit crazy avatar were at active war with one another, someone would mention it). But no, from all the evidence presented, Flynn essentially buggered off to a cave with Olivia Wilde, knifed the Programs in the back, and let Clu have whatever he wanted until Sam knocks some sense into him.



* {{Tropers/Pgj1997}}: If I'm allowed to put TV Movies on here, then the Nickelodeon movie ''Oh Brother'' is definitely one for me. All it is is a blown up travel guide for New York City, circa 1995. The meat of this special is nothing but {{filler}}, and doesn't further the story one bit, if it can even be considered a story at all. Nickelodeon is based in New York City by the way, so it's not like there was any budget for this. People nowadays like to say that Nickelodeon throws shit on the screen and will make bank regardless, but trust me, this cheap trait goes WAY back.
* {{Tropers/ScotieRw}}: The mom chick from ''Film/TheBabadook'' needs to get her $3!& together. She's stressed out because her kid has behavior issues and her husband's dead, understandable. But at one point her kid's school wants to have a monitor monitor the boy after he brings a homemade crossbow thing to school, implying they might suspect he's misbehaving not because he's a brat but because there's something wrong with him. She takes the kid out of school because she doesn't want him to get picked on. So basically the chick thought her son's elementary social life was more important than making sure he grows up into a well functioning adult.

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* {{Tropers/Pgj1997}}: If I'm allowed to put TV Movies on here, then the The Nickelodeon movie ''Oh Brother'' is definitely one for me. All it is is a blown up travel guide for New York City, circa 1995. The meat of this special is nothing but {{filler}}, and doesn't further the story one bit, if it can even be considered a story at all. Nickelodeon is based in New York City by the way, so it's not like there was any budget for this. People nowadays like to say that Nickelodeon throws shit on the screen and will make bank regardless, but trust me, this cheap trait goes WAY back.
* {{Tropers/ScotieRw}}: The mom chick from ''Film/TheBabadook'' needs to get her $3!& shit together. She's stressed out because her kid has behavior issues and her husband's dead, understandable. But at one point her kid's school wants to have a monitor monitor the boy after he brings a homemade crossbow thing to school, implying they might suspect he's misbehaving not because he's a brat but because there's something wrong with him. She takes the kid out of school because she doesn't want him to get picked on. So basically the chick thought her son's elementary social life was more important than making sure he grows up into a well functioning adult.



* Tropers/{{abby-anne}}: ''Film/{{Descendants}}'' is a cheesy, shitty, campy slap in the face to Disney's classic films in a weak attempt to cash in on the Toys/MonsterHigh trend, but it's mostly harmless. That is, until the moment Mal slips Ben a LovePotion. Love potions are basically magical, G-Rated DateRape drugs. So Mal’s use of it should have either been treated as her crossing the MoralEventHorizon or left her feeling [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone horrified, guilty, and shameful.]] While she does feel a little bad, it’s mostly because she thinks her love is completely unrequited. The film becomes completely irredeemable once Ben reveals that he always knew about the love potion and is completely fine with it. [[YouHaveGotToBeKiddingMe Holy shit…]] this ''children's'' film that came out in 2015 just used RapePortrayedAsRedemption without a trace of irony. Nothing Mal does for the rest of the film makes up for this, meaning that [[DesignatedHero Mal is only a hero]] because of an insane amount of MoralLuck. With that plot point, this movie went from harmless, tween garbage to a disturbed, less-than-worthless, morally-bankrupt piece of shit.

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* Tropers/{{abby-anne}}: ''Film/{{Descendants}}'' is a cheesy, shitty, campy slap in the face to Disney's classic films in a weak attempt to cash in on the Toys/MonsterHigh trend, but it's mostly harmless. That is, until the moment Mal slips Ben a LovePotion. Love potions are basically magical, G-Rated DateRape drugs. So Mal’s use of it should have either been treated as her crossing the MoralEventHorizon or left her feeling [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone horrified, guilty, and shameful.]] While she does feel a little bad, it’s mostly because she thinks her love is completely unrequited. The film becomes completely irredeemable once Ben reveals that he always knew about the love potion and is completely fine with it. [[YouHaveGotToBeKiddingMe Holy shit…]] this ''children's'' film "children's film" that came out in 2015 just used RapePortrayedAsRedemption without a trace of irony. Nothing Mal does for the rest of the film makes up for this, meaning that [[DesignatedHero Mal is only a hero]] because of an insane amount of MoralLuck. With that plot point, this movie went from harmless, tween garbage to a disturbed, less-than-worthless, morally-bankrupt piece of shit.



** Tropers/{{ManEFaces}}: What makes it worse is that immortality couldn't be the fallback excuse for Ra not dying because ''he was going to appoint Set as his successor''. You don't need your son to replace you if you can't die.

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** Tropers/{{ManEFaces}}: What makes it worse is that immortality couldn't be the fallback excuse for Ra not dying because ''he he was going to appoint Set as his successor''.successor. You don't need your son to replace you if you can't die.



* Tropers/{{Exxolon}}: ''Film/{{Alexander}}''. The only film I've ever considered standing up in the middle of, shouting at the top of my voice "This film is shit! I'm leaving and asking for my money back and all of you should too!" and walking out of (and if I'd been alone I would have). This is one of the greatest stories in history and the film manages to make it a woefully miscasted plodding boring mess. The performances are universally awful - you never feel immersed in the story in the slightest, you're just watching overpaid actors going through the motions and mouthing horrible dialogue on the screen. The battle sequences are devoid of any sense of... well, anything really. There's no visceral sense of the actual chaos and confusion of real combat or even a reasonable facsimile of it - it's just random people randomly moving around the screen and then falling over. I keep asking myself: "Just how do you fuck ''this'' story up?" of the director. Avoid avoid avoid!

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* Tropers/{{Exxolon}}: ''Film/{{Alexander}}''. The only film I've ever considered standing up in the middle of, shouting at the top of my voice "This film is shit! I'm leaving and asking for my money back and all of you should too!" and walking out of (and if I'd been alone I would have). This is one of the greatest stories in history and the film manages to make it a woefully miscasted plodding boring mess. The performances are universally awful - you never feel immersed in the story in the slightest, you're just watching overpaid actors going through the motions and mouthing horrible dialogue on the screen. The battle sequences are devoid of any sense of... well, anything really. There's no visceral sense of the actual chaos and confusion of real combat or even a reasonable facsimile of it - it's just random people randomly moving around the screen and then falling over. I keep asking myself: "Just how do you fuck ''this'' this story up?" of the director. Avoid avoid avoid!
26th Apr '18 9:26:20 PM nombretomado
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* SenorCornholio: No mention of the [[WesternAnimation/JemAndTheHolograms Jem]] movie yet? Just watching WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic tearing it apart was enough to keep me away from this mess, even as someone who never saw the original cartoon. It had nothing to do with the show, everything is changed up aside from the idea that the characters are in a band, and pretty much everything I could potentially say about it has already been said by people like Doug and [[RebelTaxi Pan]] in the past. However, one moment in the movie, I have to mention. In case you were blissfully unaware, the creators of the movie gave the fans a chance to be in the movie by simply stating how much they loved the show. Sounds like an interesting idea, right? It seems like they're being nice to the fans. However, that's not what they did; what fans got instead was their own gushing over Cartoon!Jem being used at the end of the film, and edited to make it look like they're talking about Movie!Jem. Wow. Not since [[TeenTitansGo Return of Slade]] have I seen such an insult towards a fanbase in my entire life. Give the other moments on this page credit; at least they didn't go out of their way to insult a franchise's fanbase to such a degree.

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* SenorCornholio: No mention of the [[WesternAnimation/JemAndTheHolograms Jem]] movie yet? Just watching WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic tearing it apart was enough to keep me away from this mess, even as someone who never saw the original cartoon. It had nothing to do with the show, everything is changed up aside from the idea that the characters are in a band, and pretty much everything I could potentially say about it has already been said by people like Doug and [[RebelTaxi [[WebVideo/RebelTaxi Pan]] in the past. However, one moment in the movie, I have to mention. In case you were blissfully unaware, the creators of the movie gave the fans a chance to be in the movie by simply stating how much they loved the show. Sounds like an interesting idea, right? It seems like they're being nice to the fans. However, that's not what they did; what fans got instead was their own gushing over Cartoon!Jem being used at the end of the film, and edited to make it look like they're talking about Movie!Jem. Wow. Not since [[TeenTitansGo Return of Slade]] have I seen such an insult towards a fanbase in my entire life. Give the other moments on this page credit; at least they didn't go out of their way to insult a franchise's fanbase to such a degree.
21st Apr '18 12:17:47 PM SenorCornholio
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* [=SenorCornholio=]: After giving [[Series/OutOfJimmysHead Re-Animated]] a re-watch, I can safely say this is the worst movie I've ever seen. There are many reasons for this, but I'm only allowed to choose one, I guess I'll have go with [[BigBad Sonny's]] backstory. Long story short, he's the only son of [[MrAltDisney Milt Appleday]], whom the latter never even acknowledged as such. After Milt's death, Sonny was made president and ended up [[DorkAge running it into the ground]] by making incredibly bad cartoons starring the Appleday cartoons. Not too bad on the surface, right? Well, let's start with the fact that he's apparently been below one of the rides for 30 years at this point. So, making a bunch of bad cartoons is grounds for life imprisonment? What happens if any animator doesn't have a good writing day one time? Do they get the same treatment? Even worse is the second aspect of all this: when Robin tells Jimmy more about him, we see a picture of what he looked like 30 years prior. He was, without question, around the age of 10. So you're telling me that Milt died, they made his untrained, under-aged son the president, and when he made bad cartoons, they locked him up? Before you could even call UnfortunateImplications, the movie then shows that Sonny is still the president of Appleday Studios, still has his seat in the office, and was still running the place to the ground. Not to mention, Appleday's work still has its fans, so 30 years clearly didn't have the "drive everyone away" effect that the movie seems to imply. So, is he imprisoned, or is he not? I can't tell if I'm supposed to feel angry anymore, because the movie doesn't even know what it wants to say. All it leaves me is a mix of angry and confused; at least with other bad movies I've seen, all the stuff that was shown seemed to have at least some form of purpose and had at least some kind of narrative. With this one element, nowhere more was it clear to me that the movie was written in a single draft. They didn't think through implications, they didn't know how they wanted the story to go, and they didn't even bother re-reading their script. It was just there to show off live action on Cartoon Network, nothing more.

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* [=SenorCornholio=]: After giving [[Series/OutOfJimmysHead Re-Animated]] a re-watch, I can safely say this is the worst movie I've ever seen. There are many reasons for this, but since I'm only allowed to choose one, I guess I'll have go with [[BigBad Sonny's]] backstory. Long story short, he's the only son of [[MrAltDisney Milt Appleday]], whom the latter never even acknowledged as such. After Milt's death, Sonny was made president and ended up [[DorkAge running it into the ground]] by making incredibly bad cartoons starring the Appleday cartoons. Not too bad on the surface, right? Well, let's start with the fact that he's apparently been below one of the rides for 30 years at this point. So, making a bunch of bad cartoons is grounds for life imprisonment? What happens if any animator doesn't have a good writing day one time? Do they get the same treatment? Even worse is the second aspect of all this: when Robin tells Jimmy more about him, we see a picture of what he looked like 30 years prior. He was, without question, around the age of 10. So you're telling me that Milt died, they made his untrained, under-aged son the president, and when he made bad cartoons, they locked him up? Before you could even call UnfortunateImplications, the movie then shows that Sonny is still the president of Appleday Studios, still has his seat in the office, and was still running the place to the ground. Not to mention, Appleday's work still has its fans, so 30 years clearly didn't have the "drive everyone away" effect that the movie seems to imply. So, is he imprisoned, or is he not? I can't tell if I'm supposed to feel angry anymore, because the movie doesn't even know what it wants to say. All it leaves me is a mix of angry and confused; at least with other bad movies I've seen, all the stuff that was shown seemed to have at least some form of purpose and had at least some kind of narrative. With this one element, nowhere more was it clear to me that the movie was written in a single draft. They didn't think through implications, they didn't know how they wanted the story to go, and they didn't even bother re-reading their script. It was just there to show off live action on Cartoon Network, nothing more.
21st Apr '18 12:17:06 PM SenorCornholio
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* SenorCornholio: No mention of the [[WesternAnimation/JemAndTheHolograms Jem]] movie yet? Just watching WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic tearing it apart was enough to keep me away from this mess, even as someone who never saw the original cartoon. It had nothing to do with the show, everything is changed up aside from the idea that the characters are in a band, and pretty much everything I could potentially say about it has already been said by people like Doug and [[RebelTaxi Pan]] in the past. However, one moment in the movie, I have to mention. In case you were blissfully unaware, the creators of the movie gave the fans a chance to be in the movie by simply stating how much they loved the show. Sounds like an interesting idea, right? It seems like they're being nice to the fans. However, that's not what they did; what fans got instead was their own gushing over Cartoon!Jem being used at the end of the film, and edited to make it look like they're talking about Movie!Jem. Wow. Not since [[TeenTitansGo Return of Slade]] have I seen such an insult towards a fanbase in my entire life. Give the other moments on this page credit; at least they didn't go out of their way to insult a franchise's fanbase to such a degree. With that said, this is officially my dethroning moment for pretty much all media, ever.

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* SenorCornholio: No mention of the [[WesternAnimation/JemAndTheHolograms Jem]] movie yet? Just watching WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic tearing it apart was enough to keep me away from this mess, even as someone who never saw the original cartoon. It had nothing to do with the show, everything is changed up aside from the idea that the characters are in a band, and pretty much everything I could potentially say about it has already been said by people like Doug and [[RebelTaxi Pan]] in the past. However, one moment in the movie, I have to mention. In case you were blissfully unaware, the creators of the movie gave the fans a chance to be in the movie by simply stating how much they loved the show. Sounds like an interesting idea, right? It seems like they're being nice to the fans. However, that's not what they did; what fans got instead was their own gushing over Cartoon!Jem being used at the end of the film, and edited to make it look like they're talking about Movie!Jem. Wow. Not since [[TeenTitansGo Return of Slade]] have I seen such an insult towards a fanbase in my entire life. Give the other moments on this page credit; at least they didn't go out of their way to insult a franchise's fanbase to such a degree. With that said, this is officially my dethroning moment for pretty much all media, ever.



* Tropers/{{Exxolon}}: ''Film/{{Alexander}}''. The only film I've ever considered standing up in the middle of, shouting at the top of my voice "This film is shit! I'm leaving and asking for my money back and all of you should too!" and walking out of (and if I'd been alone I would have). This is one of the greatest stories in history and the film manages to make it a woefully miscasted plodding boring mess. The performances are universally awful - you never feel immersed in the story in the slightest, you're just watching overpaid actors going through the motions and mouthing horrible dialogue on the screen. The battle sequences are devoid of any sense of... well, anything really. There's no visceral sense of the actual chaos and confusion of real combat or even a reasonable facsimile of it - it's just random people randomly moving around the screen and then falling over. I keep asking myself: "Just how do you fuck ''this'' story up?" of the director. Avoid avoid avoid!

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* Tropers/{{Exxolon}}: ''Film/{{Alexander}}''. The only film I've ever considered standing up in the middle of, shouting at the top of my voice "This film is shit! I'm leaving and asking for my money back and all of you should too!" and walking out of (and if I'd been alone I would have). This is one of the greatest stories in history and the film manages to make it a woefully miscasted plodding boring mess. The performances are universally awful - you never feel immersed in the story in the slightest, you're just watching overpaid actors going through the motions and mouthing horrible dialogue on the screen. The battle sequences are devoid of any sense of... well, anything really. There's no visceral sense of the actual chaos and confusion of real combat or even a reasonable facsimile of it - it's just random people randomly moving around the screen and then falling over. I keep asking myself: "Just how do you fuck ''this'' story up?" of the director. Avoid avoid avoid!avoid!
* [=SenorCornholio=]: After giving [[Series/OutOfJimmysHead Re-Animated]] a re-watch, I can safely say this is the worst movie I've ever seen. There are many reasons for this, but I'm only allowed to choose one, I guess I'll have go with [[BigBad Sonny's]] backstory. Long story short, he's the only son of [[MrAltDisney Milt Appleday]], whom the latter never even acknowledged as such. After Milt's death, Sonny was made president and ended up [[DorkAge running it into the ground]] by making incredibly bad cartoons starring the Appleday cartoons. Not too bad on the surface, right? Well, let's start with the fact that he's apparently been below one of the rides for 30 years at this point. So, making a bunch of bad cartoons is grounds for life imprisonment? What happens if any animator doesn't have a good writing day one time? Do they get the same treatment? Even worse is the second aspect of all this: when Robin tells Jimmy more about him, we see a picture of what he looked like 30 years prior. He was, without question, around the age of 10. So you're telling me that Milt died, they made his untrained, under-aged son the president, and when he made bad cartoons, they locked him up? Before you could even call UnfortunateImplications, the movie then shows that Sonny is still the president of Appleday Studios, still has his seat in the office, and was still running the place to the ground. Not to mention, Appleday's work still has its fans, so 30 years clearly didn't have the "drive everyone away" effect that the movie seems to imply. So, is he imprisoned, or is he not? I can't tell if I'm supposed to feel angry anymore, because the movie doesn't even know what it wants to say. All it leaves me is a mix of angry and confused; at least with other bad movies I've seen, all the stuff that was shown seemed to have at least some form of purpose and had at least some kind of narrative. With this one element, nowhere more was it clear to me that the movie was written in a single draft. They didn't think through implications, they didn't know how they wanted the story to go, and they didn't even bother re-reading their script. It was just there to show off live action on Cartoon Network, nothing more.
17th Apr '18 2:16:13 PM Allronix
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* Tropers/{{Allronix}}: On the flip side, her ''absence'' from the ''Film/TronLegacy'' canon can also be one. Bridges, Boxletitner, Warner, and even Dan Shor were asked for some kind of RoleReprisal, while Cindy Morgan got hammered hard with MenGetOldWomenGetReplaced, reduced to a couple bits in the ARG. Yori and Lora were characters that ran on a lot of FridgeBrilliance, with ''Lora'' being the one who invented the laser, made the decision to warn Flynn, and got Flynn and Alan on the same page to make the Encom break-in PowerTrio. Yori was implied to help run the laser, handled strategy, planning, diplomacy, and built/piloted the getaway vehicle - everything but the fighting. Come the sequel, neither one was worth a ''mention,'' with Flynn apparently appropriating the laser that was Lora's life's work, taking it for joyrides, and setting himself up to take full glory and credit for his "digital frontier," basically '''''doing to her what Dillinger did to him.''''' And there's no one calling his ass out for this, because Morgan's characters were shoved out of sight as fast as possible.

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* ** Tropers/{{Allronix}}: Flynn's creepy behavior towards Yori and that damn kiss. First of all, Flynn behaves like a creep to her because she looks like the ex he's still hung up on (and Lora was obviously the one who dumped him...and upgraded to Alan, who actually behaves like a responsible adult). Yori was clearly unsettled by him, and he kept making attempts to get in her space. It was also clearly obvious that she and Tron were a committed couple, and Flynn wasn't able to respect that. Digging himself deeper, Yori is (from a certain point of view) Lora's ''daughter.'' Yuck! Oh, and she had ''no'' idea what he was doing to her or what it meant, judging from her kissing Tron later, and Tron having no idea what it was. And to add a gallon of gasoline to the dumpster fire in progress, he's technically a ''deity'' over her, meaning that even if she did know, she wouldn't be in a position to tell him "no," making it a {{downplayed}} (but still awful) case of DoubleStandardRapeDivineOnMortal. Just how many lines was El Duderino trying to cross here?
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Tropers/{{Allronix}}: On the flip side, her ''absence'' from the ''Film/TronLegacy'' canon can also be one. Bridges, Boxletitner, Warner, and even Dan Shor were asked for some kind of RoleReprisal, while Cindy Morgan got hammered hard with MenGetOldWomenGetReplaced, reduced to a couple bits in the ARG. Yori and Lora were characters that ran on a lot of FridgeBrilliance, with ''Lora'' being the one who invented the laser, made the decision to warn Flynn, and got Flynn and Alan on the same page to make the Encom break-in PowerTrio. Yori was implied to help run the laser, handled strategy, planning, diplomacy, and built/piloted the getaway vehicle - everything but the fighting. Come the sequel, neither one was worth a ''mention,'' with Flynn apparently appropriating the laser that was Lora's life's work, taking it for joyrides, and setting himself up to take full glory and credit for his "digital frontier," basically '''''doing to her what Dillinger did to him.''''' And there's no one calling his ass out for this, because Morgan's characters were shoved out of sight as fast as possible.
17th Apr '18 2:00:51 PM Allronix
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* Tropers/{{Allronix}}: On the flip side, her ''absence'' from the ''Film/TronLegacy'' canon can also be one. Bridges, Boxletitner, Warner, and even Dan Shor were asked for some kind of RoleReprisal, while Cindy Morgan got hammered hard with MenGetOldWomenGetReplaced, reduced to a couple bits in the ARG. Yori and Lora were characters that ran on a lot of FridgeBrilliance, with ''Lora'' being the one who invented the laser, made the decision to warn Flynn, and got Flynn and Alan on the same page to make the Encom break-in PowerTrio. Yori was implied to help run the laser, handled strategy, planning, diplomacy, and built/piloted the getaway vehicle - everything but the fighting. Come the sequel, neither one was worth a ''mention,'' with Flynn apparently appropriating the laser that was Lora's life's work, taking it for joyrides, and setting himself up to take full glory and credit for his "digital frontier," basically '''''doing to her what Dillinger did to him.''''' And there's no one calling his ass out for this, because Morgan's characters were shoved out of sight as fast as possible.
16th Apr '18 11:32:21 AM SorPepita
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* {{Tyrekecorrea}}: ''Film/PowerRangers2017'' gives us a lot to complain about, but my chief complaint is that it shames the LGBT community. Case in point: putting an LGBT Power Ranger on even terms with one who has Autism is like saying that being LGBT is a disability or illness. Then there's than scene where it looked like Billy died... why would Saban allow that when David Yost, who originally played Billy, is both understood to be gay and consistently top of mind? Now people are going to think that everyone who is gay is awkward and can't function. What's the deal with Trini, for that matter? She's said to be LGBT, but it's never made clear whether she's a lesbian or bisexual. Is she neither? Is she some kind of omnigay person who has no set identity of sexual orientation? Is that what the term "queer" means in an LGBT context now? This Trini doesn't so much relate to the gay community as make it look like a bunch of freaks, and it's an awful thing to do to Thuy Trang's legacy.
* Tropers/AL19: I honestly only watched the film ''Film/GodsOfEgypt'' for BileFascination, as I was curious as to how bad it was (It's definitely bad, though I don't hate as much as most people do). While there were some moments that were pretty confusing, there was one which utterly bamboozled me. And that is the moment where [[spoiler: Ra appears to be dead after being stabbed by Set, only for the viewers to discover later that he was somehow alive this whole time]]. Now you could make the argument that because Ra is a god, he [[spoiler: can't die]]. That would've been a decent argument... if it wasn't for one thing. See, in the beginning of the film, [[spoiler: Set battled against his brother, Osiris, and eventually stabbed him, causing Osiris to die a moment later. He makes the exact same action to Ra much later on, and it seems as though he died. However, right after Horus tells him, "There's still time", Ra opens his eyes, essentially telling the viewers, "Haha, I'm not dead, suckers."]] Just that moment was beyond nonsensical.

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* {{Tyrekecorrea}}: ''Film/PowerRangers2017'' gives us a lot to complain about, but my chief complaint is that it shames the LGBT community. Case in point: putting an LGBT Power Ranger on even terms with one who has Autism is like saying that being LGBT is a disability or illness. Then there's than that scene where it looked like Billy died... why would Saban allow that when David Yost, who originally played Billy, is both understood to be gay and consistently top of mind? Now people are going to think that everyone who is gay is awkward and can't function. What's the deal with Trini, for that matter? She's said to be LGBT, but it's never made clear whether she's a lesbian or bisexual. Is she neither? Is she some kind of omnigay person who has no set identity of sexual orientation? Is that what the term "queer" means in an LGBT context now? This Trini doesn't so much relate to the gay community as make it look like a bunch of freaks, and it's an awful thing to do to Thuy Trang's legacy.
* Tropers/AL19: I honestly only watched the film ''Film/GodsOfEgypt'' for BileFascination, as I was curious as to how bad it was (It's definitely bad, though I don't hate as much as most people do). While there were some moments that were pretty confusing, there was one which utterly bamboozled me. And that is the moment where [[spoiler: Ra appears to be dead after being stabbed by Set, only for the viewers to discover later that he was somehow alive this whole time]]. Now you could make the argument that because Ra is a god, he [[spoiler: can't die]]. That would've been a decent argument... if it wasn't for one thing. See, in the beginning of the film, [[spoiler: Set battled against his brother, Osiris, and eventually stabbed him, causing Osiris to die a moment later. He makes the exact same action to Ra much later on, and it seems as though he died. However, right after Horus tells him, him "There's still time", Ra opens his eyes, essentially telling the viewers, "Haha, I'm not dead, suckers."]] Just that moment was beyond nonsensical.



* Bobg: I don't care about Victor Salva's past. He did his time and has every right to go back to making films, and I hate those who try to bring up a person's past and use it as an excuse to boycott their work when there is no connection between the two. I hate them even more when they have the gall to insult people for paying for and supporting those works. No I don't hate ''Film/JeepersCreepers 3'' for the fact that it was made by Victor Salva. I hate it for the scene where the protagonists find out what the Creeper is and the film says "Fuck you" to the audience by not telling us. We waited 14 years for the film, with it being promised for all of those years that when it came out, it would reveal the Creeper's origin. This continued when the trailer was finally released. Than the film comes out and they break their promise and tease the audience. The way they promised to reveal what it is but only let the characters learn while hiding it from the audience, and than doing a sequel tease at the end just screams "We lied. Wait several more years and you MAY find out." Well fuck you. You deliberately tease us with that scene and refuse to tell us after you promised you would. Not only does this scene break a promise, but it also makes the entire movie pointless. Since the film takes place between 1 and 2, we know he's gonna be alive at the end, so the only point to this film would be to reveal his origin, which does not happen.
* Tropers/{{Exxolon}}: ''Film/{{Alexander}}''. The only film I've ever considered standing up in the middle of, shouting at the top of my voice "This film is shit! I'm leaving and asking for my money back and all of you should too!" and walking out of (and if I'd been alone I would have). This is one of the greatest stories in history and the film manages to make it a woefully miscasted plodding boring mess. The performances are universally awful - you never feel immersed in the story in the slightest, you're just watching overpaid actors going through the motions and mouthing horrible dialogue on the screen. The battle sequences are devoid of any sense of... well anything really. There's no visceral sense of the actual chaos and confusion of real combat or even a reasonable facsimile of it - it's just random people randomly moving around the screen and then falling over. I keep asking myself: "Just how do you fuck ''this'' story up?" of the director. Avoid avoid avoid!

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* Bobg: I don't care about Victor Salva's past. He did his time and has every right to go back to making films, and I hate those who try to bring up a person's past and use it as an excuse to boycott their work when there is no connection between the two. I hate them even more when they have the gall to insult people for paying for and supporting those works. No No, I don't hate ''Film/JeepersCreepers 3'' for the fact that it was made by Victor Salva. I hate it for the scene where the protagonists find out what the Creeper is and the film says "Fuck you" to the audience by not telling us. We waited 14 years for the film, with it being promised for all of those years that when it came out, it would reveal the Creeper's origin. This continued when the trailer was finally released. Than the film comes out and they break their promise and tease the audience. The way they promised to reveal what it is but only let the characters learn while hiding it from the audience, and than doing a sequel tease at the end just screams "We lied. Wait several more years and you MAY find out." Well fuck you. You deliberately tease us with that scene and refuse to tell us after you promised you would. Not only does this scene break a promise, but it also makes the entire movie pointless. Since the film takes place between 1 and 2, we know he's gonna be alive at the end, so the only point to this film would be to reveal his origin, which does not happen.
* Tropers/{{Exxolon}}: ''Film/{{Alexander}}''. The only film I've ever considered standing up in the middle of, shouting at the top of my voice "This film is shit! I'm leaving and asking for my money back and all of you should too!" and walking out of (and if I'd been alone I would have). This is one of the greatest stories in history and the film manages to make it a woefully miscasted plodding boring mess. The performances are universally awful - you never feel immersed in the story in the slightest, you're just watching overpaid actors going through the motions and mouthing horrible dialogue on the screen. The battle sequences are devoid of any sense of... well well, anything really. There's no visceral sense of the actual chaos and confusion of real combat or even a reasonable facsimile of it - it's just random people randomly moving around the screen and then falling over. I keep asking myself: "Just how do you fuck ''this'' story up?" of the director. Avoid avoid avoid!
16th Apr '18 11:23:26 AM SorPepita
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* Tropers/{{abby-anne}}: ''Film/{{Descendants}}'' is a cheesy, shitty, campy slap in the face to Disney's classic films in a weak attempt to cash in on the Toys/MonsterHigh trend, but it's mostly harmless. That is, until the moment Mal slips Ben a LovePotion. Love potions are basically magical, G-Rated DateRape drugs. So Mal’s use of it should have either been treated as her crossing the MoralEventHorizon or left her feeling [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone horrified, guilty, and shameful.]] While she does feel a little bad, it’s mostly because she thinks her love is completely unrequited. The film becomes completely irredeemable once Ben reveals that he always knew about the love potion and is completely fine with it. [[YouHaveGotToBeKiddingMe Holy shit…]]this ''children's'' film that came out in 2015 just used RapePortrayedAsRedemption without a trace of irony. Nothing Mal does for the rest of the film makes up for this, meaning that [[DesignatedHero Mal is only a hero]] because of an insane amount of MoralLuck. With that plot point, this movie went from harmless, tween garbage to a disturbed, less-than-worthless, morally-bankrupt piece of shit.

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* Tropers/{{abby-anne}}: ''Film/{{Descendants}}'' is a cheesy, shitty, campy slap in the face to Disney's classic films in a weak attempt to cash in on the Toys/MonsterHigh trend, but it's mostly harmless. That is, until the moment Mal slips Ben a LovePotion. Love potions are basically magical, G-Rated DateRape drugs. So Mal’s use of it should have either been treated as her crossing the MoralEventHorizon or left her feeling [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone horrified, guilty, and shameful.]] While she does feel a little bad, it’s mostly because she thinks her love is completely unrequited. The film becomes completely irredeemable once Ben reveals that he always knew about the love potion and is completely fine with it. [[YouHaveGotToBeKiddingMe Holy shit…]]this shit…]] this ''children's'' film that came out in 2015 just used RapePortrayedAsRedemption without a trace of irony. Nothing Mal does for the rest of the film makes up for this, meaning that [[DesignatedHero Mal is only a hero]] because of an insane amount of MoralLuck. With that plot point, this movie went from harmless, tween garbage to a disturbed, less-than-worthless, morally-bankrupt piece of shit.
16th Apr '18 11:17:53 AM SorPepita
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* {{Tropers/ScotieRw}}: The mom chick from ''Film/TheBabadook'' needs to get her $3!& together. She's stressed out because her kid has behavior issues and her husband's dead, understandable. But at one point her kid's school wants to have a monitor monitor the boy after he brings a homemade crossbow thing to school, implying they might suspect he's misbehaving not because he''s a brat but because there's something wrong with him. She takes the kid out of school because she doesn't want him o get picked on. So basically the chick thought her son's elementary social life was more important than making sure he grows up in to a well functioning adult.

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* {{Tropers/ScotieRw}}: The mom chick from ''Film/TheBabadook'' needs to get her $3!& together. She's stressed out because her kid has behavior issues and her husband's dead, understandable. But at one point her kid's school wants to have a monitor monitor the boy after he brings a homemade crossbow thing to school, implying they might suspect he's misbehaving not because he''s he's a brat but because there's something wrong with him. She takes the kid out of school because she doesn't want him o to get picked on. So basically the chick thought her son's elementary social life was more important than making sure he grows up in to into a well functioning adult.
16th Apr '18 11:16:11 AM SorPepita
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* JEFFWONTLEAVE: Coming from a person who considers the first [[Film/SpiderManTrilogy 2 Spider-Man films]] as extremely Important to comic book movie’s and are a wonderful homage to the original run in the 60s and 70s, I can not understand why anybody would defend ''Film/TheAmazingSpiderman2'' or be shocked that Sony decided to reboot the character. While the [[Film/TheAmazingSpiderMan First film]] was a flawed and predictable film, it at the very least gave me some great versions of Spider-Man and Gwen Stacy and a story arc about Peter’s parents that would build up in future installments. Not only does the sequel [[Main/TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot fail to do anything cool with that arc]], not only does it [[Main/TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter ruin those versions I loved in the first]] and made them almost complete idiots, not only did it fail to give me the most laughably awful villains since ''Film/BatmanAndRobin'', but it also flat-out stop the movie with no reason whatsoever to poorly hint at potential film sequels and spin-offs. Take for a scene that happens 38 minutes in, where harry just drops a conversation where he acts like a smug little brat to the suits at Oscorp[[note]] Which makes me not care that Oscorp stabs him in the back later[[/note]] to just say randomly chat to a girl named Felicia who just happens to be his father’s assistant[[note]] How the hell does he know this information by the way?[[/note]] and that everybody now must work for her because she works for him. There are 2 reasons this scene doesn't work at all.
** 1: As a person who has read a good chunk of Spider-Man comics, I know that the most common Felicia in those books is Felicia Hardy a.k.a. [[Comicbook/BlackCat The Black Cat]]. So it’s pretty obvious to me that this is Sony's way of saying [[Main/LampshadeHanging “Hey guys we got Felicia in the movie and she may or may not be Black Cat one day who knows!?”]] And yeah it’s cool that she’s here and all, but I would rather see Felicia actually be like her comic book counterpart in some way instead of just being a random shout-out in the middle of a scene. If anything I’m annoyed that you’re wasting a beloved side-character like this.
** 2: Let’s say you don’t have much knowledge in spider-man lore and you we’re just a fan through the movies and TV show’s. Now try watching the movie and this scene in the particular. [[Main/BigLippedAlligatorMoment What the hell does this have anything to do with the story at all?]] She barely shows up at all for the rest of the movie, nobody actually worked for her or anything, she wasn’t even a love interest for harry. The movie stopped for about a minute for a character that is literally nothing. And that’s all this film is, just a bunch of random scenes that pretend to be something important but in the end was just nothing.

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* JEFFWONTLEAVE: Coming from a person who considers the first [[Film/SpiderManTrilogy 2 Spider-Man films]] as extremely Important important to comic book movie’s movies and are a wonderful homage to the original run in the 60s and 70s, I can not understand why anybody would defend ''Film/TheAmazingSpiderman2'' or be shocked that Sony decided to reboot the character. While the [[Film/TheAmazingSpiderMan First first film]] was a flawed and predictable film, it at the very least gave me some great versions of Spider-Man and Gwen Stacy and a story arc about Peter’s parents that would build up in future installments. Not only does the sequel [[Main/TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot fail to do anything cool with that arc]], not only does it [[Main/TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter ruin those versions I loved in the first]] and made them almost complete idiots, not only did it not fail to give me the most laughably awful villains since ''Film/BatmanAndRobin'', but it also flat-out stop stops the movie with no reason whatsoever to poorly hint at potential film sequels and spin-offs. Take for example a scene that happens 38 minutes in, where harry Harry just drops a conversation where he acts like a smug little brat to the suits at Oscorp[[note]] Which makes me not care that Oscorp stabs him in the back later[[/note]] to just say randomly chat to a girl named Felicia who just happens to be his father’s assistant[[note]] How the hell does he know this information by the way?[[/note]] and that everybody now must work for her because she works for him. There are 2 reasons this scene doesn't work at all.
** 1: As a person who has read a good chunk of Spider-Man comics, I know that the most common Felicia in those books is Felicia Hardy a.k.a. [[Comicbook/BlackCat The Black Cat]]. So it’s pretty obvious to me that this is Sony's way of saying [[Main/LampshadeHanging “Hey guys we got Felicia in the movie and she may or may not be Black Cat one day day, who knows!?”]] And yeah it’s cool that she’s here and all, but I would rather see Felicia actually be like her comic book counterpart in some way instead of just being a random shout-out in the middle of a scene. If anything I’m annoyed that you’re wasting a beloved side-character like this.
** 2: Let’s say you don’t have much knowledge in spider-man Spider-Man lore and you we’re were just a fan through the movies and TV show’s.shows. Now try watching the movie and this scene in the particular. [[Main/BigLippedAlligatorMoment What the hell does this have anything to do with the story at all?]] She barely shows up at all for the rest of the movie, nobody actually worked for her or anything, she wasn’t even a love interest for harry.Harry. The movie stopped for about a minute for a character that is literally nothing. And that’s all this film is, just a bunch of random scenes that pretend to be something important but in the end was were just nothing.
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