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8th Dec '16 2:12:39 PM pgj1997
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----* {{Tropers/Pgj1997}}: If I'm allowed to put TV Movies on here, then the Nickelodeon movie "Oh Brother" is definitely one for me. All it is is a blown up travel guide for New York City, circa 1995. The meat of this special is nothing but {{filler}}, and doesn't further the story one bit, if it can even be considered a story at all. Nickelodeon is based in New York City by the way, so it's not like there was any budget for this. People nowadays like to say that Nickelodeon throws shit on the screen and will make bank regardless, but trust me, this cheap trait goes WAY back.
19th Nov '16 7:06:50 AM Peridonyx
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** Tropers/{{Peridonyx}}: For me, it's the sheer HappyEndingOverride over ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi''. Sure, Franchise/StarWarsLegends also invoked RealityEnsues regarding the Battle of Endor, the New Republic, the New Jedi Order, etc., but at least it was all done in a way that didn't make you feel like you'd just watched a glorified ShootTheShaggyDog story. The same, however, can't be said for the state of affairs in this film: The heroes are still at a major disadvantage (arguably even a worse one than before), the villains are still so overpowering (complete with yet another FallenHero acting as TheDragon), and the New Jedi Order was taken down even far easier than the one in the Prequels (thus technically making Luke a FailureHero despite all his CharacterDevelopment in the Originals) -- and off-screen on top of it. So what's the point of getting invested in the heroes, if pretty much all their accomplishments are just going to be {{Retcon}}ned away between movies regardless?

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** Tropers/{{Peridonyx}}: For me, it's the sheer HappyEndingOverride over ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi''. Sure, Franchise/StarWarsLegends ''Franchise/StarWarsLegends'' also invoked RealityEnsues regarding the Battle of Endor, the New Republic, the New Jedi Order, etc., but at least it was all done in a way that didn't make you feel like you'd just watched a glorified ShootTheShaggyDog story. The same, however, can't be said for the state of affairs in this film: The heroes are still at a major disadvantage (arguably even a worse one than before), the villains are still so overpowering (complete with yet another FallenHero acting as TheDragon), TheDragon, not to mention a UpToEleven version of the Death Star), and the New Jedi Order was taken down even far easier than the one in the Prequels (thus technically making Luke a FailureHero despite all his CharacterDevelopment in the Originals) -- Originals; and off-screen on top of it.it). So what's the point of getting invested in the heroes, if pretty much all their accomplishments are just going to be {{Retcon}}ned away between movies regardless?
16th Nov '16 7:40:09 PM dlchen145
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* Tropers/Tyrannosauruses: ''The Lonely Ones'' combines, to an extent, splatter horror with character-driven horror, to the point we're given about 35 minutes of character establishment. So the writers should at least kill the characters in respectful ways, right? Well, though the only stupidity in any of the first three deaths was understandable. But then, the nerdy guy, Jimmy, faces off with the only ghoul who's currently a threat (the others being too far away). One ghoul earlier tore a jock's head clean off, so naturally [[FinalGirl Rinoa]] whose [[InformedAbility survival instincts]] were praised, [[{{Badass}} Blake]] and Jimmy's best friend Dante, who's currently wielding an axe, wait until [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown the ghoul disarms Jimmy, punches him hard enough that he coughs up blood, and snaps his leg]] before doing anything. Then, Dante's attack on the ghoul utterly fails, because the ghoul didn't need to focus on Jimmy anymore, and after they save him, they place him on the table - right by the doors, which were ripped off. Another ghoul later prety much walks over and takes Jimmy away. Rinoa could've shot this ghoul, then decapitated her, except she just stood there doing nothing. And again, Rinoa's survival instincts were praised. Incidentally, by Blake, who himself is the only known survivor of a previous ghoul attack.

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* Tropers/Tyrannosauruses: ''The Lonely Ones'' combines, to an extent, splatter horror with character-driven horror, to the point we're given about 35 minutes of character establishment. So the writers should at least kill the characters in respectful ways, right? Well, though the only stupidity in any of the first three deaths was understandable. But then, the nerdy guy, Jimmy, faces off with the only ghoul who's currently a threat (the others being too far away). One ghoul earlier tore a jock's head clean off, so naturally [[FinalGirl Rinoa]] whose [[InformedAbility survival instincts]] were praised, [[{{Badass}} Blake]] Blake and Jimmy's best friend Dante, who's currently wielding an axe, wait until [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown the ghoul disarms Jimmy, punches him hard enough that he coughs up blood, and snaps his leg]] before doing anything. Then, Dante's attack on the ghoul utterly fails, because the ghoul didn't need to focus on Jimmy anymore, and after they save him, they place him on the table - right by the doors, which were ripped off. Another ghoul later prety much walks over and takes Jimmy away. Rinoa could've shot this ghoul, then decapitated her, except she just stood there doing nothing. And again, Rinoa's survival instincts were praised. Incidentally, by Blake, who himself is the only known survivor of a previous ghoul attack.
21st Oct '16 5:34:55 AM Retloclive
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* Retloclive: cREATOR/PeterJackson's ''Film/TheLordOfTheRings'' trilogy is absolutely incredible, but one moment that has always pissed me off occurs in ''The Two Towers'' when Grima Wormtongue was simply let go despite everything he did to ruin Rohan. At the very least, he should have been thrown in jail for his crimes. But no. Grima instead gets to run away to join up with master Saruman, and not only informs the traitorous white wizard of Theoden's plan to seek shelter at the fortress of Helm's Deep, but also informs Saruman of the weakness in the fortress' main wall. The moment the wall blows up during the Helm's Deep fight, I just didn't give a damn about the good side being in peril since it was [[WhatAnIdiot their own goddamn faults that led to this event]].

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* Retloclive: cREATOR/PeterJackson's Creator/PeterJackson's ''Film/TheLordOfTheRings'' trilogy is absolutely incredible, but one moment that has always pissed me off occurs in ''The Two Towers'' when Grima Wormtongue was simply let go despite everything he did to ruin Rohan. At the very least, he should have been thrown in jail for his crimes. But no. Grima instead gets to run away to join up with master Saruman, and not only informs the traitorous white wizard of Theoden's plan to seek shelter at the fortress of Helm's Deep, but also informs Saruman of the weakness in the fortress' main wall. The moment the wall blows up during the Helm's Deep fight, I just didn't give a damn about the good side being in peril since it was [[WhatAnIdiot their own goddamn faults that led to this event]].
18th Oct '16 4:08:46 AM CumbersomeTercel
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* Elysium94: ''Film/{{Maleficent}}'' is, in a nutshell, a tremendous missed opportunity. With its admittedly talented cast and impressive technical aspects the movie could have been something truly great. But any chance of that went right out the window with the godawful [[CharacterDerailment ruining]] of its characters, particularly Stefan and Maleficent. When the film was announced people were excited to see an origin for one of Disney's greatest villains. And what did we get? A tragic friendship torn apart through a cruel twist of fate? Maleficent dabbling in dark powers and being corrupted, turning on everything she once held dear? Nope! Maleficent is watered down from the Mistress of All Evil into a bitter yet lovable WomanScorned who is saved by the PowerofLove. While Stefan, the caring and noble king and father from the original film is turned into a treacherous, psychotic tyrant that would make Macbeth proud. Just... wow. And that isn't even going into turning the beloved Three Fairies into bumbling idiots reminiscent of the Three Stooges, or rendering the formerly badass Prince Phillip into a mere RedHerring. This movie failed spectacularly in delivering the supposed "true story" of Maleficent, and if Disney does indeed go ahead with the rumored sequel you can be damn sure I won't be suckered in again.
** Tropers/DrZulu2010: For me, it has to be how Maleficent (or [[InNameOnly MINO]] as I like to call her) is the one who awakens Aurora from her sleep. Not only does it cement Prince Phillip, the first proactive prince in the history of the animated canon, as a waste of space, not only does it rip off '''WesternAnimation/{{Frozen}}'' only replacing sisterly love with motherly love, it cements MINO's BadassDecay and CharacterDerailment from the mistress of all evil and the greatest villain of the canon into a lame shadow of her former self. Not only that, but they gave her an unambugiously happy ending?! Did Disney hate the original movie or what?

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* Elysium94: ''Film/{{Maleficent}}'' is, in a nutshell, a tremendous missed opportunity. With its admittedly talented cast and impressive technical aspects the movie could have been something truly great. But any chance of that went right out the window with the godawful [[CharacterDerailment ruining]] of its characters, particularly Stefan and Maleficent. When the film was announced people were excited to see an origin for one of Disney's greatest villains. And what did we get? A tragic friendship torn apart through a cruel twist of fate? Maleficent dabbling in dark powers and being corrupted, turning on everything she once held dear? Nope! Maleficent is watered down from the Mistress of All Evil into a bitter yet lovable WomanScorned who is saved by the PowerofLove.ThePowerOfLove. While Stefan, the caring and noble king and father from the original film is turned into a treacherous, psychotic tyrant that would make Macbeth proud. Just... wow. And that isn't even going into turning the beloved Three Fairies into bumbling idiots reminiscent of the Three Stooges, Film/TheThreeStooges, or rendering the formerly badass Prince Phillip into a mere RedHerring. This movie failed spectacularly in delivering the supposed "true story" of Maleficent, and if Disney does indeed go ahead with the rumored sequel you can be damn sure I won't be suckered in again.
** Tropers/DrZulu2010: For me, it has to be how Maleficent (or [[InNameOnly MINO]] as I like to call her) is the one who awakens Aurora from her sleep. Not only does it cement Prince Phillip, the first proactive prince in the history of the animated canon, as a waste of space, not only does it rip off '''WesternAnimation/{{Frozen}}'' ''WesternAnimation/{{Frozen}}'' only replacing sisterly love with motherly love, it cements MINO's BadassDecay and CharacterDerailment from the mistress of all evil and the greatest villain of the canon into a lame shadow of her former self. Not only that, but they gave her an unambugiously happy ending?! Did Disney hate the original movie or what?



* bobdrantz: While the remake of ''Film/{{Godzilla 1998}}'' was an awful movie all around, the absolute worst moment of the film was when Dr. Tatapolous finds out that the titular monster is pregnant. ...You mean to tell me that Dean Devlin and Roland Emmerich actually thought that would be a good idea to turn what originally was a [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything walking allegory of the atomic bomb]] into a freakin' pregnant iguana!? Devlin and Emmerich, you managed to take one of the most iconic movie characters of all time]] [[CharacterDerailment and turned him into a sick joke (And not the funny kind either.)]]

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* bobdrantz: While the remake of ''Film/{{Godzilla 1998}}'' was an awful movie all around, the absolute worst moment of the film was when Dr. Tatapolous finds out that the titular monster is pregnant. ...You mean to tell me that Dean Devlin and Roland Emmerich Creator/RolandEmmerich actually thought that would be a good idea to turn what originally was a [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything walking allegory of the atomic bomb]] into a freakin' pregnant iguana!? Devlin and Emmerich, you managed to take one of the most iconic movie characters of all time]] time [[CharacterDerailment and turned him into a sick joke (And not the funny kind either.)]]



* Tropers/{{sephiroth144}}: In Film/{{Avatar}}, what happens when Jake goes to tell the Na'vi what the Skypeople want. "Hey, we want a certain rock that's under your tree" And they couldn't slant-mine? Etc... He never did his damn job, and essentially caused both sides of the slaughter that occurred.

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* Tropers/{{sephiroth144}}: In Film/{{Avatar}}, ''Film/{{Avatar}}'', what happens when Jake goes to tell the Na'vi what the Skypeople want. "Hey, we want a certain rock that's under your tree" And they couldn't slant-mine? Etc... He never did his damn job, and essentially caused both sides of the slaughter that occurred.



** RADDman: Along with the above, there are three things I'd like to point out about the earthbender prison scene (yes, there is more to complain about besides the jaw-dropping, reality-bending stupidity of putting the prison for people with control over the earth on a location literally surrounded by and on top of miles of earth). In the show, the episode with this situation helps establish Katara as a motivator and inspirational character, a very important part of her personality. In the film, this integral aspect is ditched and Aang gives the rousing speech instead. There are plenty of cardboard characters in the movie, and this certainly does not help Katara's status as one of them. Furthermore, directly preceding the trio being taken to the prison, a firebender guard arrests a young earthbender because he "was bending small rocks" at them. The DMOS here is what he says after, in the most ridiculous whining voice ever: "It really hurt!" It's something that should be watched for one to understand how awful that dialogue is. The worst part about that is that if this were actually said in the series (and maybe it was, I don't recall), it would have been a genuinely funny joke. But because up to this point the movie was taking itself so obnoxiously seriously and all humor was replaced with brooding, this line just comes out of nowhere and leaves people laughing for the wrong reasons. Finally, when the earthbenders do their prison riot and start using the tons of earth around and under them as weapons, we are treated to a shot of six earthbenders doing an unintentionally comical choreographed series of actions accompanied by silly-sounding shouts. The routine is ten steps or so and the only result is that a small poorly-CG'd rock starts moving slowly past them. It is hammy, it looks stupid, and the lameness of the result is stupefying. That one scene is a DMOS for anything related to Avatar: The Last Airbender, not just the movie.

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** RADDman: Along with the above, there are three things I'd like to point out about the earthbender prison scene (yes, there is more to complain about besides the jaw-dropping, reality-bending stupidity of putting the prison for people with control over the earth on a location literally surrounded by and on top of miles of earth). In the show, the episode with this situation helps establish Katara as a motivator and inspirational character, a very important part of her personality. In the film, this integral aspect is ditched and Aang gives the rousing speech instead. There are plenty of cardboard characters in the movie, and this certainly does not help Katara's status as one of them. Furthermore, directly preceding the trio being taken to the prison, a firebender guard arrests a young earthbender because he "was bending small rocks" at them. The DMOS here is what he says after, in the most ridiculous whining voice ever: "It really hurt!" It's something that should be watched for one to understand how awful that dialogue is. The worst part about that is that if this were actually said in the series (and maybe it was, I don't recall), it would have been a genuinely funny joke. But because up to this point the movie was taking itself so obnoxiously seriously and all humor was replaced with brooding, this line just comes out of nowhere and leaves people laughing for the wrong reasons. Finally, when the earthbenders do their prison riot and start using the tons of earth around and under them as weapons, we are treated to a shot of six earthbenders doing an unintentionally comical choreographed series of actions accompanied by silly-sounding shouts. The routine is ten steps or so and the only result is that a small poorly-CG'd rock starts moving slowly past them. It is hammy, it looks stupid, and the lameness of the result is stupefying. That one scene is a DMOS for anything related to Avatar: The Last Airbender, ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'', not just the movie.



* AveryvillAnimation: It was very difficult for me to choose a true DMOS for ''Film/SonOfTheMask'' (One of my most hated movies). The painfully unfunny jokes, Jamie Kennedy's pitiful attempt at mimicking Jim Carrey's mask, the hideously poor CGI effects on the mask powered baby, the disgustingly sappy ending, the way they conveyed the "message", the many textbook examples of TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot, but even with all those I've simply decided on one particular scene that made me despise this movie. Tim's wife Tonya returns home late at night and sees the house is a wreck, and then Tim appears. Thinking she's Loki in disguise (long story), Tim brutually assaults his wife, while intense music plays no less, with the dark lighting and atmosphere. Now, I'm not a guy who's easily offended, I tend to laugh at some pretty dark, brutal and mean spirited shit (I love the Pony.MOV series for Christ's sake), but, here I actually felt uncomfortable at the fact that this intense scene of what is basically domestic abuse was played for laughs. And not only is it expecting us to laugh at this horrifying scene, but, the sporadic tonal shift is also bothersome, as it feels like a completely different movie when you compare it to earlier scenes. It was more like something out of a psychological horror movie than the wacky surreal comedy this movie was attempting to be (Albeit poorly). It was right there, right there that I realized "This movie is despicable"!
* Animeking1108: While I enjoyed [[Film/ClerksII Clerks 2]], the whole StarWars [[FandomRivalry vs]] LordOfTheRings debate was an unnecessary AuthorFilibuster. They make the LOTR fanboy a StrawLoser that [[HypeBacklash only uses awards and critical praise]] as a justification. As for Randall, his reasons for bashing it were the HoYay between Frodo and Sam (which makes Creator/KevinSmith come off as a homophobe) and that all three movies were nothing but walking (which shows that Creator/KevinSmith pressed skip too many times on his remote). Randall ends his rant by saying the movie should have ended with Frodo and Sam 69ing each other. [[SarcasmMode Real mature, Smith]]. Not only did this turn Randall into TheScrappy for me, but my respect for Creator/KevinSmith drastically dropped.
** k9feline5: For me, what makes that scene a DMOS is the ridiculous notion that LOTR fans would be so shocked and demoralized by someone making Frodo/Sam HoYay insults, they'd have no option but to vomit, as if LOTR fans had never heard gay hobbit jokes before. Any chance there were still LOTR fans out there that sheltered was dead by late 2004 (and Clerks2 came out in 2006, so no excuse there, Smith) with the release of the LOTR:Return of King Extended Edition DVD, which included a comedy sketch where Hollywood exectutives try to get Peter Jackson to make a LOTR sequel that would be all about Frodo/Sam HoYay. If Randall had made those HoYay jabs to RealLife LOTR fans, they'd most likely start quoting from that sketch.
** JediMasterDraco: However the Return of the King film itself does have a dethroning moment. In the book, the great gate of Minas Tirith is smashed by a combination of the ram, Grond, and the Witch-King's magic. This is the last scene of the chapter:

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* AveryvillAnimation: It was very difficult for me to choose a true DMOS for ''Film/SonOfTheMask'' (One of my most hated movies). The painfully unfunny jokes, Jamie Kennedy's pitiful attempt at mimicking Jim Carrey's mask, Creator/JimCarrey's Mask, the hideously poor CGI effects on the mask powered baby, the disgustingly sappy ending, the way they conveyed the "message", the many textbook examples of TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot, but even with all those I've simply decided on one particular scene that made me despise this movie. Tim's wife Tonya returns home late at night and sees the house is a wreck, and then Tim appears. Thinking she's Loki in disguise (long story), Tim brutually assaults his wife, while intense music plays no less, with the dark lighting and atmosphere. Now, I'm not a guy who's easily offended, I tend to laugh at some pretty dark, brutal and mean spirited shit (I love the Pony.MOV series for Christ's sake), but, here I actually felt uncomfortable at the fact that this intense scene of what is basically domestic abuse was played for laughs. And not only is it expecting us to laugh at this horrifying scene, but, the sporadic tonal shift is also bothersome, as it feels like a completely different movie when you compare it to earlier scenes. It was more like something out of a psychological horror movie than the wacky surreal comedy this movie was attempting to be (Albeit poorly). It was right there, right there that I realized "This movie is despicable"!
* Animeking1108: While I enjoyed [[Film/ClerksII Clerks 2]], ''Film/ClerksII'', the whole StarWars [[FandomRivalry vs]] LordOfTheRings debate was an unnecessary AuthorFilibuster. They make the LOTR fanboy a StrawLoser that [[HypeBacklash only uses awards and critical praise]] as a justification. As for Randall, his reasons for bashing it were the HoYay between Frodo and Sam (which makes Creator/KevinSmith come off as a homophobe) and that all three movies were nothing but walking (which shows that Creator/KevinSmith pressed skip too many times on his remote). Randall ends his rant by saying the movie should have ended with Frodo and Sam 69ing each other. [[SarcasmMode Real mature, Smith]]. Not only did this turn Randall into TheScrappy for me, but my respect for Creator/KevinSmith drastically dropped.
** k9feline5: For me, what makes that scene a DMOS is the ridiculous notion that LOTR fans would be so shocked and demoralized by someone making Frodo/Sam HoYay insults, they'd have no option but to vomit, as if LOTR fans had never heard gay hobbit jokes before. Any chance there were still LOTR fans out there that sheltered was dead by late 2004 (and Clerks2 ''ClerksII'' came out in 2006, so no excuse there, Smith) with the release of the LOTR:Return of King Extended Edition DVD, which included a comedy sketch where Hollywood exectutives executives try to get Peter Jackson Creator/PeterJackson to make a LOTR sequel that would be all about Frodo/Sam HoYay. If Randall had made those HoYay jabs to RealLife LOTR fans, they'd most likely start quoting from that sketch.
** JediMasterDraco: However the ''The Return of the King King'' film itself does have a dethroning moment. In the book, the great gate of Minas Tirith is smashed by a combination of the ram, Grond, and the Witch-King's magic. This is the last scene of the chapter:



*** By contrast, in the film, we just have a run-of-the-mill ZergRush and the Extended Editon doesn't help with Gandalf getting his ass kicked no questions asked. YAWN! This was the one scene in the books that was practically begging t be made into a movie and Peter Jackson made a mockery of it.

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*** By contrast, in the film, we just have a run-of-the-mill ZergRush and the Extended Editon Edition doesn't help with Gandalf getting his ass kicked no questions asked. YAWN! This was the one scene in the books that was practically begging t be made into a movie and Peter Jackson made a mockery of it.



* SaiyanWarrior006: Film/ThreeHundred, ye gods what a mess. What with the way the Persians and Ephors are portrayed as deformed monsters (Immortals anyone?) to the buttering up of Spartans as heroic defenders of Justice who abhor slavery despite keeping three to five slaves themselves, but no the real Dethroning Moment to me is the way they excluded the rest of the Greek army who joined up with them. There was seven thousand Greeks total there facing off against the Persians in real life and in the film we only see a handful of those who aren't Spartan and they are portrayed as cowards afraid to fight and looked down upon as ready to flee at the first sign of trouble. Yeah when the odds were against them and it was hopeless they did withdraw but that was under an order to go tell Greece to prepare its army and there was over a thousand Thespians and Thebans who stayed behind as well and died fighting to the death alongside The Spartans. A scene with a group staying behind despite being told to leave would've been niced and a nod to what they did in real life. But nope, let's all pay attention to [[MightyWhitey Leonidas]].

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* SaiyanWarrior006: Film/ThreeHundred, ''Film/ThreeHundred'', ye gods what a mess. What with the way the Persians and Ephors are portrayed as deformed monsters (Immortals anyone?) to the buttering up of Spartans as heroic defenders of Justice who abhor slavery despite keeping three to five slaves themselves, but no the real Dethroning Moment to me is the way they excluded the rest of the Greek army who joined up with them. There was seven thousand Greeks total there facing off against the Persians in real life and in the film we only see a handful of those who aren't Spartan and they are portrayed as cowards afraid to fight and looked down upon as ready to flee at the first sign of trouble. Yeah when the odds were against them and it was hopeless they did withdraw but that was under an order to go tell Greece to prepare its army and there was over a thousand Thespians and Thebans who stayed behind as well and died fighting to the death alongside The Spartans. A scene with a group staying behind despite being told to leave would've been niced and a nod to what they did in real life. But nope, let's all pay attention to [[MightyWhitey Leonidas]].



** Tropers/{{Peridonyx}}: For me, it's the sheer HappyEndingOverride over ''Return of the Jedi''. Sure, Franchise/StarWarsLegends also invoked RealityEnsues regarding the Battle of Endor, the New Republic, the New Jedi Order, etc., but at least it was all done in a way that didn't make you feel like you'd just watched a glorified ShootTheShaggyDog story. The same, however, can't be said for the state of affairs in this film: The heroes are still at a major disadvantage (arguably even a worse one than before), the villains are still so overpowering (complete with yet another FallenHero acting as TheDragon), and the New Jedi Order was taken down even far easier than the one in the Prequels (thus technically making Luke a FailureHero despite all his CharacterDevelopment in the Originals) -- and off-screen on top of it. So what's the point of getting invested in the heroes, if pretty much all their accomplishments are just going to be {{Retcon}}ned away between movies regardless?

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** Tropers/{{Peridonyx}}: For me, it's the sheer HappyEndingOverride over ''Return of the Jedi''.''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi''. Sure, Franchise/StarWarsLegends also invoked RealityEnsues regarding the Battle of Endor, the New Republic, the New Jedi Order, etc., but at least it was all done in a way that didn't make you feel like you'd just watched a glorified ShootTheShaggyDog story. The same, however, can't be said for the state of affairs in this film: The heroes are still at a major disadvantage (arguably even a worse one than before), the villains are still so overpowering (complete with yet another FallenHero acting as TheDragon), and the New Jedi Order was taken down even far easier than the one in the Prequels (thus technically making Luke a FailureHero despite all his CharacterDevelopment in the Originals) -- and off-screen on top of it. So what's the point of getting invested in the heroes, if pretty much all their accomplishments are just going to be {{Retcon}}ned away between movies regardless?



* SenorCornholio: No mention of the [[WesternAnimation/JemAndTheHolograms Jem]] movie yet? Just watching WebVideoTheNostalgia Critic tearing it apart was enough to keep me away from this mess, even as someone who never saw the original cartoon. It had nothing to do with the show, everything is changed up aside from the idea that the characters are in a band, and pretty much everything I could potentially say about it has already been said by people like Doug and [[RebelTaxi Pan]] in the past. However, one moment in the movie, I have to mention. In case you were blissfully unaware, the creators of the movie gave the fans a chance to be in the movie by simply stating how much they loved the show. Sounds like an interesting idea, right? It seems like they're being nice to the fans. However, that's not what they did; what fans got instead was their own gushing over Cartoon!Jem being used at the end of the film, and edited to make it look like they're talking about Movie!Jem. Wow. Not since [[TeenTitansGo Return of Slade]] have I seen such an insult towards a fanbase in my entire life. Give the other moments on this page credit; at least they didn't go out of their way to insult a franchise's fanbase to such a degree. With that said, this is officially my dethroning moment for pretty much all media, ever.
* JEFFWONTLEAVE: Coming from a person who considers the first [[Film/SpiderManTrilogy 2 ''Spider-Man'' films]] as extremely Important to comic book movie’s and are a wonderful homage to the original run in the 60s and 70s, I can not understand why anybody would defend ''Film/TheAmazingSpiderman2 or be shocked that Sony decided to reboot the character. While the [[Film/TheAmazingSpiderMan First film]] was a flawed and predictable film, it at the very least gave me some great versions of Spider-Man and Gwen Stacey and a story arc about peter’s parents that would build up in future installments. Not only does the sequel [[Main/TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot fail to do anything cool with that arc]], not only does it [[Main/TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter ruin those versions I loved in the first]] and made them almost complete idiots, not only did it fail to give me the most laughably awful villains since ''Film/BatmanAndRobin'', but it also flat-out stop the movie with no reason whatsoever to poorly hint at potential film sequels and spin-offs. Take for a scene that happens 38 minutes in, where harry just drops a conversation where he acts like a smug little brat to the suits at Oscorp[[note]] Which makes me not care that Oscorp stabs him in the back later[[/note]] to just say randomly chat to a girl named Felicia who just happens to be his father’s assistant[[note]] How the hell does he know this information by the way?[[/note]] and that everybody now must work for her because she works for him. There are 2 reasons this scene doesn't work at all.

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* SenorCornholio: No mention of the [[WesternAnimation/JemAndTheHolograms Jem]] movie yet? Just watching WebVideoTheNostalgia Critic WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic tearing it apart was enough to keep me away from this mess, even as someone who never saw the original cartoon. It had nothing to do with the show, everything is changed up aside from the idea that the characters are in a band, and pretty much everything I could potentially say about it has already been said by people like Doug and [[RebelTaxi Pan]] in the past. However, one moment in the movie, I have to mention. In case you were blissfully unaware, the creators of the movie gave the fans a chance to be in the movie by simply stating how much they loved the show. Sounds like an interesting idea, right? It seems like they're being nice to the fans. However, that's not what they did; what fans got instead was their own gushing over Cartoon!Jem being used at the end of the film, and edited to make it look like they're talking about Movie!Jem. Wow. Not since [[TeenTitansGo Return of Slade]] have I seen such an insult towards a fanbase in my entire life. Give the other moments on this page credit; at least they didn't go out of their way to insult a franchise's fanbase to such a degree. With that said, this is officially my dethroning moment for pretty much all media, ever.
* JEFFWONTLEAVE: Coming from a person who considers the first [[Film/SpiderManTrilogy 2 ''Spider-Man'' Spider-Man films]] as extremely Important to comic book movie’s and are a wonderful homage to the original run in the 60s and 70s, I can not understand why anybody would defend ''Film/TheAmazingSpiderman2 ''Film/TheAmazingSpiderman2'' or be shocked that Sony decided to reboot the character. While the [[Film/TheAmazingSpiderMan First film]] was a flawed and predictable film, it at the very least gave me some great versions of Spider-Man and Gwen Stacey and a story arc about peter’s parents that would build up in future installments. Not only does the sequel [[Main/TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot fail to do anything cool with that arc]], not only does it [[Main/TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter ruin those versions I loved in the first]] and made them almost complete idiots, not only did it fail to give me the most laughably awful villains since ''Film/BatmanAndRobin'', but it also flat-out stop the movie with no reason whatsoever to poorly hint at potential film sequels and spin-offs. Take for a scene that happens 38 minutes in, where harry just drops a conversation where he acts like a smug little brat to the suits at Oscorp[[note]] Which makes me not care that Oscorp stabs him in the back later[[/note]] to just say randomly chat to a girl named Felicia who just happens to be his father’s assistant[[note]] How the hell does he know this information by the way?[[/note]] and that everybody now must work for her because she works for him. There are 2 reasons this scene doesn't work at all.
18th Oct '16 3:55:12 AM CumbersomeTercel
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* Tropers/TheTitanPrince: I like ''Film/{{TRON}}'', but there's one thing about it that really annoys me: the entire existence of Yori. Granted, it's been a while since I last saw the film and I could be misremebering a few things, but I can't remember her existence ever being foreshadowed. She randomly shows up brainwashed by Sark's forces, is un-brainwashed by Tron through powers that, like her, were never foreshadowed or shown before, and then she joins him for no apparent reason. Even more enraging about this is that this comes shortly after [[spoiler: the death of Ram, a far more likable character than Yori.]] Yori gets pretty much no character development (the only thing she really does the whole thing is make out with Tron and Flynn, convince Dumont to help them, and create a Solar Sailor). From what I've been told, there were some deleted scenes that developed her character more, but she just feels like a waste in the final cut.

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* Tropers/TheTitanPrince: I like ''Film/{{TRON}}'', but there's one thing about it that really annoys me: the entire existence of Yori. Granted, it's been a while since I last saw the film and I could be misremebering a few things, but I can't remember her existence ever being foreshadowed. She randomly shows up brainwashed by Sark's forces, is un-brainwashed by Tron through powers that, like her, were never foreshadowed or shown before, and then she joins him for no apparent reason. Even more enraging about this is that this comes shortly after [[spoiler: the death of Ram, a far more likable likeable character than Yori.]] Yori gets pretty much no character development (the only thing she really does the whole thing is make out with Tron and Flynn, convince Dumont to help them, and create a Solar Sailor). From what I've been told, there were some deleted scenes that developed her character more, but she just feels like a waste in the final cut.



* SenorCornholio: No mention of the [[WesternAnimation/JemAndTheHolograms Jem]] movie yet? Just watching [[NostalgiaCritic the Nostalgia Critic]] tearing it apart was enough to keep me away from this mess, even as someone who never saw the original cartoon. It had nothing to do with the show, everything is changed up aside from the idea that the characters are in a band, and pretty much everything I could potentially say about it has already been said by people like Doug and [[RebelTaxi Pan]] in the past. However, one moment in the movie, I have to mention. In case you were blissfully unaware, the creators of the movie gave the fans a chance to be in the movie by simply stating how much they loved the show. Sounds like an interesting idea, right? It seems like they're being nice to the fans. However, that's not what they did; what fans got instead was their own gushing over Cartoon!Jem being used at the end of the film, and edited to make it look like they're talking about Movie!Jem. Wow. Not since [[TeenTitansGo Return of Slade]] have I seen such an insult towards a fanbase in my entire life. Give the other moments on this page credit; at least they didn't go out of their way to insult a franchise's fanbase to such a degree. With that said, this is officially my dethroning moment for pretty much all media, ever.
* JEFFWONTLEAVE: Coming from a person who considers the first [[Film/SpiderManTrilogy 2 Spider-Man films]] as extremely Important to comic book movie’s and are a wonderful homage to the original run in the 60s and 70s, I can not understand why anybody would defend [[Film/TheAmazingSpiderman2 The Amazing Spider-Man 2]] or be shocked that sony decided to reboot the character. While the [[Film/TheAmazingSpiderMan First film]] was a flawed and predictable film, it at the very least gave me some great versions of spider-man and gwen stacey and a story arc about peter’s parents that would build up in future installments. Not only does the sequel [[Main/TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot fail to do anything cool with that arc]], not only does it [[Main/TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter ruin those versions I loved in the first]] and made them almost complete idiots, not only did it fail to give me the most laughably awful villains since Batman and Robin, but it also flat-out stop the movie with no reason whatsoever to poorly hint at potential film sequels and spin-offs. Take for a scene that happens 38 minutes in, where harry just drops a conversation where he acts like a smug little brat to the suits at oscorp[[note]] Which makes me not care that oscorp stabs him in the back later[[/note]] to just say randomly chat to a girl named Felicia who just happens to be his father’s assistant[[note]] How the hell does he know this information by the way?[[/note]] and that everybody now must work for her because she works for him. There are 2 reasons this scene doesn't work at all.
** 1: As a person who has read a good chunk of spider-man comics, I know that the most common Felicia in those books is Felicia Hardy a.k.a. [[Comicbook/BlackCat The Black Cat]]. So it’s pretty obvious to me that this is Sony's way of saying [[Main/LampshadeHanging “Hey guys we got Felicia in the movie and she may or may not be Black Cat one day who knows!?”]] And yeah it’s cool that she’s here and all, but I would rather see Felicia actually be like her comic book counterpart in some way instead of just being a random shout-out in the middle of a scene. If anything I’m annoyed that you’re wasting a beloved side-character like this.

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* SenorCornholio: No mention of the [[WesternAnimation/JemAndTheHolograms Jem]] movie yet? Just watching [[NostalgiaCritic the Nostalgia Critic]] WebVideoTheNostalgia Critic tearing it apart was enough to keep me away from this mess, even as someone who never saw the original cartoon. It had nothing to do with the show, everything is changed up aside from the idea that the characters are in a band, and pretty much everything I could potentially say about it has already been said by people like Doug and [[RebelTaxi Pan]] in the past. However, one moment in the movie, I have to mention. In case you were blissfully unaware, the creators of the movie gave the fans a chance to be in the movie by simply stating how much they loved the show. Sounds like an interesting idea, right? It seems like they're being nice to the fans. However, that's not what they did; what fans got instead was their own gushing over Cartoon!Jem being used at the end of the film, and edited to make it look like they're talking about Movie!Jem. Wow. Not since [[TeenTitansGo Return of Slade]] have I seen such an insult towards a fanbase in my entire life. Give the other moments on this page credit; at least they didn't go out of their way to insult a franchise's fanbase to such a degree. With that said, this is officially my dethroning moment for pretty much all media, ever.
* JEFFWONTLEAVE: Coming from a person who considers the first [[Film/SpiderManTrilogy 2 Spider-Man ''Spider-Man'' films]] as extremely Important to comic book movie’s and are a wonderful homage to the original run in the 60s and 70s, I can not understand why anybody would defend [[Film/TheAmazingSpiderman2 The Amazing Spider-Man 2]] ''Film/TheAmazingSpiderman2 or be shocked that sony Sony decided to reboot the character. While the [[Film/TheAmazingSpiderMan First film]] was a flawed and predictable film, it at the very least gave me some great versions of spider-man Spider-Man and gwen stacey Gwen Stacey and a story arc about peter’s parents that would build up in future installments. Not only does the sequel [[Main/TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot fail to do anything cool with that arc]], not only does it [[Main/TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter ruin those versions I loved in the first]] and made them almost complete idiots, not only did it fail to give me the most laughably awful villains since Batman and Robin, ''Film/BatmanAndRobin'', but it also flat-out stop the movie with no reason whatsoever to poorly hint at potential film sequels and spin-offs. Take for a scene that happens 38 minutes in, where harry just drops a conversation where he acts like a smug little brat to the suits at oscorp[[note]] Oscorp[[note]] Which makes me not care that oscorp Oscorp stabs him in the back later[[/note]] to just say randomly chat to a girl named Felicia who just happens to be his father’s assistant[[note]] How the hell does he know this information by the way?[[/note]] and that everybody now must work for her because she works for him. There are 2 reasons this scene doesn't work at all.
** 1: As a person who has read a good chunk of spider-man Spider-Man comics, I know that the most common Felicia in those books is Felicia Hardy a.k.a. [[Comicbook/BlackCat The Black Cat]]. So it’s pretty obvious to me that this is Sony's way of saying [[Main/LampshadeHanging “Hey guys we got Felicia in the movie and she may or may not be Black Cat one day who knows!?”]] And yeah it’s cool that she’s here and all, but I would rather see Felicia actually be like her comic book counterpart in some way instead of just being a random shout-out in the middle of a scene. If anything I’m annoyed that you’re wasting a beloved side-character like this.



* Retloclive: Peter Jackson's ''Film/TheLordOfTheRings'' trilogy is absolutely incredible, but one moment that has always pissed me off occurs in ''The Two Towers'' when Grima Wormtongue was simply let go despite everything he did to ruin Rohan. At the very least, he should have been thrown in jail for his crimes. But no. Grima instead gets to run away to join up with master Saruman, and not only informs the traitorous white wizard of Theoden's plan to seek shelter at the fortress of Helm's Deep, but also informs Saruman of the weakness in the fortress' main wall. The moment the wall blows up during the Helm's Deep fight, I just didn't give a damn about the good side being in peril since it was [[WhatAnIdiot their own goddamn faults that led to this event]].

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* Retloclive: Peter Jackson's cREATOR/PeterJackson's ''Film/TheLordOfTheRings'' trilogy is absolutely incredible, but one moment that has always pissed me off occurs in ''The Two Towers'' when Grima Wormtongue was simply let go despite everything he did to ruin Rohan. At the very least, he should have been thrown in jail for his crimes. But no. Grima instead gets to run away to join up with master Saruman, and not only informs the traitorous white wizard of Theoden's plan to seek shelter at the fortress of Helm's Deep, but also informs Saruman of the weakness in the fortress' main wall. The moment the wall blows up during the Helm's Deep fight, I just didn't give a damn about the good side being in peril since it was [[WhatAnIdiot their own goddamn faults that led to this event]].
27th Sep '16 2:56:27 PM Midna
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** Tropers/DrZulu2010: For me, it has to be how Maleficent (or [[InNameOnly MINO]] as I like to call her), is the one who awakens Aurora from her sleep. Not only it cements Prince Phillip, the first proactive prince in the history animated canon as a waste of space, not only it rips off what ''WesternAnimation/{{Frozen}}'' did only with replacing sisterly love with motherly love, it cements MINO's BadassDecay and CharacterDerailment from the mistress of all evil and the greatest villain of the canon into a lame shadow of her former self. Not only that, but they gave her an unambugiously happy ending?! Did Disney hated the original movie so much or what?!

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** Tropers/DrZulu2010: For me, it has to be how Maleficent (or [[InNameOnly MINO]] as I like to call her), her) is the one who awakens Aurora from her sleep. Not only does it cements cement Prince Phillip, the first proactive prince in the history of the animated canon canon, as a waste of space, not only does it rips rip off what ''WesternAnimation/{{Frozen}}'' did '''WesternAnimation/{{Frozen}}'' only with replacing sisterly love with motherly love, it cements MINO's BadassDecay and CharacterDerailment from the mistress of all evil and the greatest villain of the canon into a lame shadow of her former self. Not only that, but they gave her an unambugiously happy ending?! Did Disney hated hate the original movie so much or what?!what?



* 1810072342: ''[[Film/SupermanTheMovie Superman '78]]'', with the ending. The idea that Superman flies around the Earth millions of times in one second: cool. The idea that he does this to slowly reverse the Earth's rotation: nice. The idea that this action will cause time to run backwards: WHAT?! Just... why did they think this was a reasonable plot device?

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* 1810072342: ''[[Film/SupermanTheMovie Superman '78]]'', with the ending. The idea that Superman flies around the Earth millions of times in one second: cool. The idea that he does this to slowly reverse the Earth's rotation: nice. The idea that this action will cause time to run backwards: WHAT?! What?! Just... why did they think this was a reasonable plot device?



** 1: As a person who has read a good chunk of spider-man comics, I know that the most common Felicia in those books is Felicia Hardy a.k.a. [[Comicbook/BlackCat The Black Cat]]. So it’s pretty obvious to me that this is Sony's way of saying [[Main/LampshadeHanging “HEY GUYS WE GOT FELICIA IN THE MOVIE AND SHE MAY OR MAY NOT BE BLACK CAT ONE DAY WHO KNOWS!!!??!!?”]] And yeah it’s cool that she’s here and all, but I would rather see Felicia actually be like her comic book counterpart in some way instead of just being a random shout-out in the middle of a scene. If anything I’m annoyed that you’re wasting a beloved side-character like this.

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** 1: As a person who has read a good chunk of spider-man comics, I know that the most common Felicia in those books is Felicia Hardy a.k.a. [[Comicbook/BlackCat The Black Cat]]. So it’s pretty obvious to me that this is Sony's way of saying [[Main/LampshadeHanging “HEY GUYS WE GOT FELICIA IN THE MOVIE AND SHE MAY OR MAY NOT BE BLACK CAT ONE DAY WHO KNOWS!!!??!!?”]] “Hey guys we got Felicia in the movie and she may or may not be Black Cat one day who knows!?”]] And yeah it’s cool that she’s here and all, but I would rather see Felicia actually be like her comic book counterpart in some way instead of just being a random shout-out in the middle of a scene. If anything I’m annoyed that you’re wasting a beloved side-character like this.
24th Sep '16 9:45:24 AM nombretomado
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* @/MacPhisto: ''Film/HalloweenResurrection'' -- aside from one of the worst {{Ass Pull}}s ever in order to bring Michael back, at the climax this formerly unstoppable monster gets his ass kicked by [[StuntCasting Busta Rhymes]]! Who was imitating moves he saw in a BruceLee movie!

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* @/MacPhisto: ''Film/HalloweenResurrection'' -- aside from one of the worst {{Ass Pull}}s ever in order to bring Michael back, at the climax this formerly unstoppable monster gets his ass kicked by [[StuntCasting Busta Rhymes]]! Who was imitating moves he saw in a BruceLee Creator/BruceLee movie!
5th Sep '16 1:26:16 PM erforce
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* Tropers/{{GREGOLE}}: While ''[[Film/AlienVsPredator Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem]]'' was already an unsatisfying film, the moment that really sold it for me was the bit where the predalien infects an entire room full of pregnant women. While the little kid being chestbursted earlier was cringe-inducing, it was one death out of countless. We're shown that both monsters are ruthless and inhuman, and will not make distinctions between their victims... The filmmakers apparently felt that we forgot about this, so they decided to go even more over the top, to the point where the shock is gone, and it becomes a sick snuff fantasy for the writers. It was the single most tasteless thing I have ever seen in a movie since the Toxic Avenger disemboweled a man dressed as a baby who was trying to blow up a school for the retarded on Take A Mexican To Lunch Day.

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* Tropers/{{GREGOLE}}: While ''[[Film/AlienVsPredator Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem]]'' ''Film/AliensVsPredatorRequiem'' was already an unsatisfying film, the moment that really sold it for me was the bit where the predalien infects an entire room full of pregnant women. While the little kid being chestbursted earlier was cringe-inducing, it was one death out of countless. We're shown that both monsters are ruthless and inhuman, and will not make distinctions between their victims... The filmmakers apparently felt that we forgot about this, so they decided to go even more over the top, to the point where the shock is gone, and it becomes a sick snuff fantasy for the writers. It was the single most tasteless thing I have ever seen in a movie since the Toxic Avenger disemboweled a man dressed as a baby who was trying to blow up a school for the retarded on Take A Mexican To Lunch Day.
29th Aug '16 7:43:26 PM Peridonyx
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** Tropers/{{Peridonyx}}: For me, it's the sheer HappyEndingOverride over ''Return of the Jedi''. Sure, the Legends EU also invoked RealityEnsues regarding the Battle of Endor, the New Republic, the New Jedi Order, etc., but at least it was all done in a way that didn't make you feel like you'd just watched a glorified ShootTheShaggyDog story. The same, however, can't be said for the state of affairs in this film: The heroes are still at a major disadvantage (arguably even a worse one than before), the villains are still so overpowering (complete with yet another FallenHero acting as TheDragon), and the New Jedi Order was taken down even far easier than the one in the Prequels (thus technically making Luke a FailureHero despite all his CharacterDevelopment in the Originals) -- and off-screen on top of it. So what's the point of getting invested in the heroes, if pretty much all their accomplishments are just going to be {{Retcon}}ned away between movies regardless?

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** Tropers/{{Peridonyx}}: For me, it's the sheer HappyEndingOverride over ''Return of the Jedi''. Sure, the Legends EU Franchise/StarWarsLegends also invoked RealityEnsues regarding the Battle of Endor, the New Republic, the New Jedi Order, etc., but at least it was all done in a way that didn't make you feel like you'd just watched a glorified ShootTheShaggyDog story. The same, however, can't be said for the state of affairs in this film: The heroes are still at a major disadvantage (arguably even a worse one than before), the villains are still so overpowering (complete with yet another FallenHero acting as TheDragon), and the New Jedi Order was taken down even far easier than the one in the Prequels (thus technically making Luke a FailureHero despite all his CharacterDevelopment in the Originals) -- and off-screen on top of it. So what's the point of getting invested in the heroes, if pretty much all their accomplishments are just going to be {{Retcon}}ned away between movies regardless?
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