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** Another example of Iron Man being the Designated Hero was ''ComicBook/WorldWarHulk''. To the point where many readers were cheering the Hulk on. (This was, in fact, already happening when Civil War was still going on, with "[[TakeAThirdOption You're all fucked when the Hulk gets back!]]" being a common response to Marvel's ad campaign trying to get fans to choose a side in the war.)
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* ''ComicBook/SpiderWoman2020'' begins her 2020 comic book run by throwing a teenager off a boat for talking bad about her. While kid is obviously a [[AssholeVictim jerk]], he's also, y'know, a kid. Add this to her sour attitude, even towards people she barely knows, and Jessica comes off as more of a bully than a superhero. This at least gets the justification that her physiology has been sabotaged, causing her to become increasingly and randomly volatile, culminating in her [[KickTheDog viciously]] lashing out at all of her friends during ''ComicBook/KingInBlack.''
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* ''ComicBook/SpiderWoman2020'' ComicBook/SpiderWoman begins [[ComicBook/SpiderWoman2020 her 2020 comic book run run]] by throwing a teenager off a boat for talking bad about her. While kid is obviously a [[AssholeVictim jerk]], he's also, y'know, a kid. Add this to her sour attitude, even towards people she barely knows, and Jessica comes off as more of a bully than a superhero. This at least gets the justification that her physiology has been sabotaged, causing her to become increasingly and randomly volatile, culminating in her [[KickTheDog viciously]] lashing out at all of her friends during ''ComicBook/KingInBlack.''''ComicBook/KingInBlack''.
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* ''ComicBook/CivilWarII'' gives us [[ComicBook/CarolDanvers Captain Marvel]], following in the footsteps of Iron Man in the first ''Civil War'' and who went a little crazy with her methods while using a Inhuman precog, Ulysses, to combat crimes. [[spoiler: She went around trying to arrest her allies and others for things that haven't happened yet, and ignored people when they tried to tell her that the precog wasn't really seeing the future, at least not with 100% accuracy. Having indirectly caused the deaths of War Machine and Bruce Banner, she grew more stubborn in her beliefs and went on to imprison an innocent woman, tried to arrest Miles for a crime he may not commit, and put Iron Man in coma when he opposed her]]. This was explained in ''ComicBook/Ultimates2015'' partly as having her GoMadFromTheRevelation of the Marvel Universe's floating timeline thanks to Galactus showing her. [[BaseBreakingCharacter While some fans still love the character, others are unsure that she should be the female face of Marvel.]]
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* ''ComicBook/CivilWarII'' gives us [[ComicBook/CarolDanvers [[Characters/MarvelComicsCarolDanvers Captain Marvel]], following in the footsteps of Iron Man in the first ''Civil War'' and who went a little crazy with her methods while using a an Inhuman precog, Ulysses, to combat crimes. [[spoiler: She [[spoiler:She went around trying to arrest her allies and others for things that haven't happened yet, and ignored people when they tried to tell her that the precog wasn't really seeing the future, at least not with 100% accuracy. Having indirectly caused the deaths of War Machine and Bruce Banner, she grew more stubborn in her beliefs and went on to imprison an innocent woman, tried to arrest Miles for a crime he may not commit, and put Iron Man in coma when he opposed her]]. This was explained in ''ComicBook/Ultimates2015'' ''ComicBook/TheUltimates2015'' partly as having her GoMadFromTheRevelation of the Marvel Universe's floating timeline thanks to Galactus showing her. [[BaseBreakingCharacter While some fans still love the character, others are unsure that she should be the female face of Marvel.]]
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* ''ComicBook/SpiderWoman2020'' begins her 2020 comic book run by throwing a teenager off a boat for talking bad about her. While kid is obviously a [[AssholeVictim jerk]], he's also, y'know, a kid. Add this to her sour attitude, even towards people she barely knows, and Jessica comes off as more of a bully than a superhero. This at least gets the justification that her physiology has been sabotaged, causing her to become increasingly and randomly volatile, culminating in her [[KickTheDog viciously]] lashing out at all of her friends during ''ComicBook/KingInBlack.''''
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** According to WordOfGod, the ''official'' stance is that Iron Man and the Pro-Registration side was meant to be the one in the right; and they thought it was "so ''obvious''" (despite "Registration" in Marvel comics historically relating to "Mutant Death Camps", and despite ComicBook/CaptainAmerica traditionally being '''the''' moral compass of the Marvel universe) that they threw in a few KickTheDog moments to make it seem more ambiguous. If so, they went ''seriously'' overboard, since the Pro-Reg does things like try to arrest Cap ''by force'' for breaking the Act '''before the Act was even passed''', creating a [[CloningBlues clone of Thor]] that went AxCrazy and killed an Anti-Reg C-list hero (Bill Foster/Goliath), [[ToCatchHeroesHireVillains hiring supervillains to capture their opponents]] (and giving the AxCrazy mass-murderer ComicBook/NormanOsborn ''a major position in SHIELD''), ''throwing captured heroes into a prison without trial in the [[DeathWorld NEGATIVE ZONE]]'' (an otherworldly post-apocalyptic dimension populated entirely with dangerous aliens and monsters) and trying to start a war with another nation (Atlantis). The worst the Anti-Reg side did was hire ComicBook/ThePunisher (then fire him immediately), fight Pro-Reg forces, and be on the receiving end of StrawManPolitical journalism. The majority of readers sided with Cap and supporters of ''both'' sides thought Iron Man was a dick in this story and believed he was meant to be the bad guy.
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** According to WordOfGod, the ''official'' stance is that Iron Man and the Pro-Registration side was meant to be the one in the right; and they thought it was "so ''obvious''" (despite "Registration" in Marvel comics historically relating to "Mutant Death Camps", and despite ComicBook/CaptainAmerica traditionally being '''the''' moral compass of the Marvel universe) that they threw in a few KickTheDog moments to make it seem more ambiguous. If so, they went ''seriously'' overboard, since the Pro-Reg does things like try to arrest Cap ''by force'' for breaking the Act '''before the Act was even passed''', creating a [[CloningBlues clone of Thor]] Thor that went AxCrazy and killed an Anti-Reg C-list hero (Bill Foster/Goliath), [[ToCatchHeroesHireVillains hiring supervillains to capture their opponents]] (and giving the AxCrazy mass-murderer ComicBook/NormanOsborn ''a major position in SHIELD''), ''throwing captured heroes into a prison without trial in the [[DeathWorld NEGATIVE ZONE]]'' (an otherworldly post-apocalyptic dimension populated entirely with dangerous aliens and monsters) and trying to start a war with another nation (Atlantis). The worst the Anti-Reg side did was hire ComicBook/ThePunisher (then fire him immediately), fight Pro-Reg forces, and be on the receiving end of StrawManPolitical journalism. The majority of readers sided with Cap and supporters of ''both'' sides thought Iron Man was a dick in this story and believed he was meant to be the bad guy.
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** Several years on, thanks to a [[Film/CaptainMarvel successful film]] and appearance in [[Film/AvengersEndgame another]], a number of negative consequences for Carol and a fair amount of self-hatred on her part, plus a general desire by Marvel to forget that ''Civil War II'' ever happened (unlike the first ''Civil War'', which had extended consequences right up to and after ''{{ComicBook/Siege}}''), which was helped by how it was a forgettable event to begin with, and Ulysses himself hasn't been seen since - means that it's simmered down to the occasional mention.
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** Several years on, thanks to a [[Film/CaptainMarvel [[Film/CaptainMarvel2019 successful film]] and appearance in [[Film/AvengersEndgame another]], a number of negative consequences for Carol and a fair amount of self-hatred on her part, plus a general desire by Marvel to forget that ''Civil War II'' ever happened (unlike the first ''Civil War'', which had extended consequences right up to and after ''{{ComicBook/Siege}}''), which was helped by how it was a forgettable event to begin with, and Ulysses himself hasn't been seen since - means that it's simmered down to the occasional mention.
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* ComicBook/IronMan during ''ComicBook/CivilWar2006'', with ComicBook/CaptainAmerica as the DesignatedVillain, DependingOnTheWriter. In some issues from that arc, the exact opposite effect occurred: ComicBook/IronMan appeared to be the DesignatedVillain (to many, he seemed like a reasonable guy defending normal humans against powerful forces while trying to avert a backlash against superheroes, yet some writers expected us to root against him) and Cap seemed like the Designated Hero (refusing to take seriously Iron Man and Reed Richards' arguments that humans were in danger due to the mega-powerful supers running loose and unaccountable, yet some writers expected us to find Cap to be completely reasonable). The fact that the ''writers themselves'' seemed to be fighting over which side was right just added to the confusion; some sources claim that there wasn't actually a single, mutually-agreed version of ''the letter'' of the SuperRegistrationAct, which surely cannot have helped.
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* ComicBook/IronMan during ''ComicBook/CivilWar2006'', ''ComicBook/{{Civil War|2006}}'', with ComicBook/CaptainAmerica as the DesignatedVillain, DependingOnTheWriter. In some issues from that arc, the exact opposite effect occurred: ComicBook/IronMan appeared to be the DesignatedVillain (to many, he seemed like a reasonable guy defending normal humans against powerful forces while trying to avert a backlash against superheroes, yet some writers expected us to root against him) and Cap seemed like the Designated Hero (refusing to take seriously Iron Man and Reed Richards' arguments that humans were in danger due to the mega-powerful supers running loose and unaccountable, yet some writers expected us to find Cap to be completely reasonable). The fact that the ''writers themselves'' seemed to be fighting over which side was right just added to the confusion; some sources claim that there wasn't actually a single, mutually-agreed version of ''the letter'' of the SuperRegistrationAct, which surely cannot have helped.
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** And then he and Reed Richards (two of the heads of the Pro-Registration faction) use science to make everyone forget Spider-Man's secret identity so he can continue being a vigilante without having to deal with accountability in ComicBook/OneMomentInTime. Which pretty much goes against what they fought the entire ComicBook/CivilWar and committed all their crimes against humanity to put a stop to. So you can add horrific levels of hypocrisy to the list of what makes them designated heroes.
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** And then he and Reed Richards (two of the heads of the Pro-Registration faction) use science to make everyone forget Spider-Man's secret identity so he can continue being a vigilante without having to deal with accountability in ComicBook/OneMomentInTime. ''ComicBook/OneMomentInTime''. Which pretty much goes against what they fought the entire ComicBook/CivilWar ComicBook/{{Civil War|2006}} and committed all their crimes against humanity to put a stop to. So you can add horrific levels of hypocrisy to the list of what makes them designated heroes.
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* ''ComicBook/CivilWarII'' gives us [[ComicBook/CarolDanvers Captain Marvel]], following in the footsteps of Iron Man in the first ''ComicBook/CivilWar'' and who went a little crazy with her methods while using a Inhuman precog, Ulysses, to combat crimes. [[spoiler: She went around trying to arrest her allies and others for things that haven't happened yet, and ignored people when they tried to tell her that the precog wasn't really seeing the future, at least not with 100% accuracy. Having indirectly caused the deaths of War Machine and Bruce Banner, she grew more stubborn in her beliefs and went on to imprison an innocent woman, tried to arrest Miles for a crime he may not commit, and put Iron Man in coma when he opposed her]]. This was explained in ''ComicBook/Ultimates2015'' partly as having her GoMadFromTheRevelation of the Marvel Universe's floating timeline thanks to Galactus showing her. [[BaseBreakingCharacter While some fans still love the character, others are unsure that she should be the female face of Marvel.]]
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* ''ComicBook/CivilWarII'' gives us [[ComicBook/CarolDanvers Captain Marvel]], following in the footsteps of Iron Man in the first ''ComicBook/CivilWar'' ''Civil War'' and who went a little crazy with her methods while using a Inhuman precog, Ulysses, to combat crimes. [[spoiler: She went around trying to arrest her allies and others for things that haven't happened yet, and ignored people when they tried to tell her that the precog wasn't really seeing the future, at least not with 100% accuracy. Having indirectly caused the deaths of War Machine and Bruce Banner, she grew more stubborn in her beliefs and went on to imprison an innocent woman, tried to arrest Miles for a crime he may not commit, and put Iron Man in coma when he opposed her]]. This was explained in ''ComicBook/Ultimates2015'' partly as having her GoMadFromTheRevelation of the Marvel Universe's floating timeline thanks to Galactus showing her. [[BaseBreakingCharacter While some fans still love the character, others are unsure that she should be the female face of Marvel.]]
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* ComicBook/IronMan during the ''ComicBook/CivilWar'', with ComicBook/CaptainAmerica as the DesignatedVillain, DependingOnTheWriter. In some issues from that arc, the exact opposite effect occurred: ComicBook/IronMan appeared to be the DesignatedVillain (to many, he seemed like a reasonable guy defending normal humans against powerful forces while trying to avert a backlash against superheroes, yet some writers expected us to root against him) and Cap seemed like the Designated Hero (refusing to take seriously Iron Man and Reed Richards' arguments that humans were in danger due to the mega-powerful supers running loose and unaccountable, yet some writers expected us to find Cap to be completely reasonable). The fact that the ''writers themselves'' seemed to be fighting over which side was right just added to the confusion; some sources claim that there wasn't actually a single, mutually-agreed version of ''the letter'' of the SuperRegistrationAct, which surely cannot have helped.
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* ComicBook/IronMan during the ''ComicBook/CivilWar'', ''ComicBook/CivilWar2006'', with ComicBook/CaptainAmerica as the DesignatedVillain, DependingOnTheWriter. In some issues from that arc, the exact opposite effect occurred: ComicBook/IronMan appeared to be the DesignatedVillain (to many, he seemed like a reasonable guy defending normal humans against powerful forces while trying to avert a backlash against superheroes, yet some writers expected us to root against him) and Cap seemed like the Designated Hero (refusing to take seriously Iron Man and Reed Richards' arguments that humans were in danger due to the mega-powerful supers running loose and unaccountable, yet some writers expected us to find Cap to be completely reasonable). The fact that the ''writers themselves'' seemed to be fighting over which side was right just added to the confusion; some sources claim that there wasn't actually a single, mutually-agreed version of ''the letter'' of the SuperRegistrationAct, which surely cannot have helped.
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* ''ComicBook/SpiderWoman2020'' begins her 2020 comic book run by throwing a teenager off a boat for talking bad about her. While kid is obviously a [[AssholeVictim jerk]], he's also, y'know, a kid. Add this to her sour attitude, even towards people she barely knows and Jessica comes off as more of a bully than a superhero.
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* ''ComicBook/SpiderWoman2020'' begins her 2020 comic book run by throwing a teenager off a boat for talking bad about her. While kid is obviously a [[AssholeVictim jerk]], he's also, y'know, a kid. Add this to her sour attitude, even towards people she barely knows knows, and Jessica comes off as more of a bully than a superhero.superhero. This at least gets the justification that her physiology has been sabotaged, causing her to become increasingly and randomly volatile, culminating in her [[KickTheDog viciously]] lashing out at all of her friends during ''ComicBook/KingInBlack.''
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* Some readers feel the X-Men as a whole have hit this point during ''ComicBook/XMen2019''. To wit, after years of being the punching bag of... everyone, mutants have founded their own country known as Krakoa. This country quickly becomes a destabilising presence in the world, as its miracle drugs (which have effects including curing incurable diseases and extending lifespans) have a huge impact on global politics and the economy, but are only given to those who ally with Krakoa, which means recognising it as a country and allowing mutants to leave to join it no matter their previous crimes -- Krakoa bills itself as a "fresh start", so no crime prior to a mutant joining "counts", meaning mass murderers like Sabretooth and Apocalypse are given free passes. Anyone who attempts to arrest or detain a mutant who ''is'' aligned with Krakoa -- even heroes like the Fantastic Four -- are rebuked and basically told "this is a mutant problem, fuck off" and the mutants will deal with the criminal themselves, without revealing the world ''how'' they dealt with it, which does not build trust at all. They also do not allow any humans to visit without supervision. Finally, what laws they do have that seem good, such as the rule against killing any human, have been broken ''a lot'', to the point that most of the high-ranking X-Men ''know'' it's just for show and won't be followed when push comes to shove. The books ''do'' paint the X-Men as somewhat morally grey now, but for some readers, it's not often enough given the things they're doing.
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* Some readers feel the X-Men as a whole have hit this point during ''ComicBook/XMen2019''. To wit, after years of being the punching bag of... everyone, mutants have founded their own country known as Krakoa. This country quickly becomes a destabilising presence in the world, as its miracle drugs (which have effects including curing incurable diseases and extending lifespans) have a huge impact on global politics and the economy, but are only given to those who ally with Krakoa, which means recognising it as a country and allowing mutants to leave to join it no matter their previous crimes -- Krakoa bills itself as a "fresh start", so no crime prior to a mutant joining "counts", meaning mass murderers like Sabretooth and Apocalypse are given free passes. Anyone who attempts to arrest or detain a mutant who ''is'' aligned with Krakoa -- even heroes like the Fantastic Four -- are rebuked and basically told "this is a mutant problem, fuck off" and the mutants will deal with the criminal themselves, without revealing the world ''how'' they dealt with it, which does not build trust at all. They also do not allow any humans to visit without supervision. Finally, what laws they do have that seem good, such as the rule against killing any human, have been broken ''a lot'', to the point that most of the high-ranking X-Men ''know'' it's just for show and won't be followed when push comes to shove. The books ''do'' paint the X-Men as somewhat morally grey now, but for some readers, it's not often enough given the things they're doing.doing.
* ''ComicBook/SpiderWoman2020'' begins her 2020 comic book run by throwing a teenager off a boat for talking bad about her. While kid is obviously a [[AssholeVictim jerk]], he's also, y'know, a kid. Add this to her sour attitude, even towards people she barely knows and Jessica comes off as more of a bully than a superhero.
* ''ComicBook/SpiderWoman2020'' begins her 2020 comic book run by throwing a teenager off a boat for talking bad about her. While kid is obviously a [[AssholeVictim jerk]], he's also, y'know, a kid. Add this to her sour attitude, even towards people she barely knows and Jessica comes off as more of a bully than a superhero.
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* ComicBook/IronMan during the ''Comicbook/CivilWar'', with ComicBook/CaptainAmerica as the DesignatedVillain, DependingOnTheWriter. In some issues from that arc, the exact opposite effect occurred: ComicBook/IronMan appeared to be the DesignatedVillain (to many, he seemed like a reasonable guy defending normal humans against powerful forces while trying to avert a backlash against superheroes, yet some writers expected us to root against him) and Cap seemed like the Designated Hero (refusing to take seriously Iron Man and Reed Richards' arguments that humans were in danger due to the mega-powerful supers running loose and unaccountable, yet some writers expected us to find Cap to be completely reasonable). The fact that the ''writers themselves'' seemed to be fighting over which side was right just added to the confusion; some sources claim that there wasn't actually a single, mutually-agreed version of ''the letter'' of the SuperRegistrationAct, which surely cannot have helped.
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* ComicBook/IronMan during the ''Comicbook/CivilWar'', ''ComicBook/CivilWar'', with ComicBook/CaptainAmerica as the DesignatedVillain, DependingOnTheWriter. In some issues from that arc, the exact opposite effect occurred: ComicBook/IronMan appeared to be the DesignatedVillain (to many, he seemed like a reasonable guy defending normal humans against powerful forces while trying to avert a backlash against superheroes, yet some writers expected us to root against him) and Cap seemed like the Designated Hero (refusing to take seriously Iron Man and Reed Richards' arguments that humans were in danger due to the mega-powerful supers running loose and unaccountable, yet some writers expected us to find Cap to be completely reasonable). The fact that the ''writers themselves'' seemed to be fighting over which side was right just added to the confusion; some sources claim that there wasn't actually a single, mutually-agreed version of ''the letter'' of the SuperRegistrationAct, which surely cannot have helped.
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* Some readers feel the X-Men as a whole have hit this point during ''ComicBook/JonathanHickmansXMen''. To wit, after years of being the punching bag of... everyone, mutants have founded their own country known as Krakoa. This country quickly becomes a destabilising presence in the world, as its miracle drugs (which have effects including curing incurable diseases and extending lifespans) have a huge impact on global politics and the economy, but are only given to those who ally with Krakoa, which means recognising it as a country and allowing mutants to leave to join it no matter their previous crimes -- Krakoa bills itself as a "fresh start", so no crime prior to a mutant joining "counts", meaning mass murderers like Sabretooth and Apocalypse are given free passes. Anyone who attempts to arrest or detain a mutant who ''is'' aligned with Krakoa -- even heroes like the Fantastic Four -- are rebuked and basically told "this is a mutant problem, fuck off" and the mutants will deal with the criminal themselves, without revealing the world ''how'' they dealt with it, which does not build trust at all. They also do not allow any humans to visit without supervision. Finally, what laws they do have that seem good, such as the rule against killing any human, have been broken ''a lot'', to the point that most of the high-ranking X-Men ''know'' it's just for show and won't be followed when push comes to shove. The books ''do'' paint the X-Men as somewhat morally grey now, but for some readers, it's not often enough given the things they're doing.
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* Some readers feel the X-Men as a whole have hit this point during ''ComicBook/JonathanHickmansXMen''.''ComicBook/XMen2019''. To wit, after years of being the punching bag of... everyone, mutants have founded their own country known as Krakoa. This country quickly becomes a destabilising presence in the world, as its miracle drugs (which have effects including curing incurable diseases and extending lifespans) have a huge impact on global politics and the economy, but are only given to those who ally with Krakoa, which means recognising it as a country and allowing mutants to leave to join it no matter their previous crimes -- Krakoa bills itself as a "fresh start", so no crime prior to a mutant joining "counts", meaning mass murderers like Sabretooth and Apocalypse are given free passes. Anyone who attempts to arrest or detain a mutant who ''is'' aligned with Krakoa -- even heroes like the Fantastic Four -- are rebuked and basically told "this is a mutant problem, fuck off" and the mutants will deal with the criminal themselves, without revealing the world ''how'' they dealt with it, which does not build trust at all. They also do not allow any humans to visit without supervision. Finally, what laws they do have that seem good, such as the rule against killing any human, have been broken ''a lot'', to the point that most of the high-ranking X-Men ''know'' it's just for show and won't be followed when push comes to shove. The books ''do'' paint the X-Men as somewhat morally grey now, but for some readers, it's not often enough given the things they're doing.
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* ComicBook/IronMan during the ''Comicbook/CivilWar'', with ComicBook/CaptainAmerica as the DesignatedVillain, DependingOnTheWriter. In some issues from that arc, the exact opposite effect occurred: ComicBook/IronMan appeared to be the DesignatedVillain (to many, he seemed like a reasonable guy defending normal humans against powerful forces while trying to avert a backlash against superheroes, yet some writers expected us to root against him) and Cap seemed like the Designated Hero (refusing to take seriously Iron Man and Reed Richards' arguments that humans were in danger due to the mega-powerful supers running loose and unaccountable, yet some writers expected us to find Cap to be completely reasonable). The fact that the ''writers themselves'' seemed to be fighting over which side was right just added to the confusion; some sources claim that there wasn't actually a single, mutually-agreed version of ''the letter'' of the SuperRegistrationAct, which surely cannot have helped.
** Perhaps the {{Aesop}} was that neither extreme was truly moral. ''If'' that's what they were going for, designated heroes were the way to go. ComicBook/CaptainAmerica was the Designated Hero more often than not with ComicBook/IronMan as the DesignatedVillain. Mainly because the politics associated with Cap's side tended to resonate better with most of the writers. But all in all, it was a case of a complicated issue being "simplified" by having a good guy and a bad guy. Iron Man and his pro-Registration side all took a big hit in the credibility department when they started tossing anti-Registration heroes into a parallel universe prison without trials.
** Another example of Iron Man being the Designated Hero was ''ComicBook/WorldWarHulk''. To the point where many readers were cheering the Hulk on. (This was, in fact, already happening when Civil War was still going on, with "[[TakeAThirdOption You're all fucked when the Hulk gets back!]]" being a common response to Marvel's ad campaign trying to get fans to choose a side in the war.)
** According to WordOfGod, the ''official'' stance is that Iron Man and the Pro-Registration side was meant to be the one in the right; and they thought it was "so ''obvious''" (despite "Registration" in Marvel comics historically relating to "Mutant Death Camps", and despite ComicBook/CaptainAmerica traditionally being '''the''' moral compass of the Marvel universe) that they threw in a few KickTheDog moments to make it seem more ambiguous. If so, they went ''seriously'' overboard, since the Pro-Reg does things like try to arrest Cap ''by force'' for breaking the Act '''before the Act was even passed''', creating a [[CloningBlues clone of Thor]] that went AxCrazy and killed an Anti-Reg C-list hero (Bill Foster/Goliath), [[ToCatchHeroesHireVillains hiring supervillains to capture their opponents]] (and giving the AxCrazy mass-murderer ComicBook/NormanOsborn ''a major position in SHIELD''), ''throwing captured heroes into a prison without trial in the [[DeathWorld NEGATIVE ZONE]]'' (an otherworldly post-apocalyptic dimension populated entirely with dangerous aliens and monsters) and trying to start a war with another nation (Atlantis). The worst the Anti-Reg side did was hire ComicBook/ThePunisher (then fire him immediately), fight Pro-Reg forces, and be on the receiving end of StrawManPolitical journalism. The majority of readers sided with Cap and supporters of ''both'' sides thought Iron Man was a dick in this story and believed he was meant to be the bad guy.
** And then he and Reed Richards (two of the heads of the Pro-Registration faction) use science to make everyone forget Spider-Man's secret identity so he can continue being a vigilante without having to deal with accountability in ComicBook/OneMomentInTime. Which pretty much goes against what they fought the entire ComicBook/CivilWar and committed all their crimes against humanity to put a stop to. So you can add horrific levels of hypocrisy to the list of what makes them designated heroes.
* There was a lot of this in ''ComicBook/AvengersVsXMen'' as well. DependingOnTheWriter, Captain America and the Avengers are a bunch of fascists jerks to the plucky underdog X-Men, or ComicBook/{{Cyclops}} and his X-Men are a bunch of religious fanatics and dictators waiting to happen.
** The aftermath is just as confusing with regards to this trope. Cyclops is definitely framed as being in the wrong (it was him who killed Professor Xavier, after all), but the validity of this is pretty questionable considering why he killed Xavier and that he was spurred on by the Avengers, but other issues have members of the Avengers calling out Tony Stark over his role in the crisis. The fact that [[Comicbook/UncannyAvengers the Avengers were the ones to man up and offer the olive branch to the X-Men]] just confuses the roles even more.
** Throughout the series and aftermath, the only one who seems to be constantly a Designated Hero is Wolverine, who essentially causes the conflict by telling Captain America what essentially amounted to biased accounts on Cyclops' character and the Phoenix as a whole, repeatedly attempts to kill Hope because 'it's the only way' to stop the Phoenix (which would have fucked everything up had he been successful), and afterwards doesn't even try to help the newly appearing, and vulnerable, mutants. He does however, find the time to harass Cyclops at every opportunity when ''he'' tries to do so.
* Spider-Man in the infamous ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay'' is supposed to be suffering from the upcoming death of his Aunt May, instead he's a selfish manchild who scoffs at a man showing him sympathy for saying "I know how you feel", [[spoiler:accepts a ''literal'' DealWithTheDevil by giving up his marriage and talks his wife into doing it]]. So, with great power comes... [[BrokenAesop no responsibility? Peter's deal was a better option than taking responsibility for his actions and growing up?]]
** Things become more complicated and worse when it is revealed Mary Jane egged him on and her reasons why.
* ''ComicBook/CivilWarII'' gives us [[ComicBook/CarolDanvers Captain Marvel]], following in the footsteps of Iron Man in the first ''ComicBook/CivilWar'' and who went a little crazy with her methods while using a Inhuman precog, Ulysses, to combat crimes. [[spoiler: She went around trying to arrest her allies and others for things that haven't happened yet, and ignored people when they tried to tell her that the precog wasn't really seeing the future, at least not with 100% accuracy. Having indirectly caused the deaths of War Machine and Bruce Banner, she grew more stubborn in her beliefs and went on to imprison an innocent woman, tried to arrest Miles for a crime he may not commit, and put Iron Man in coma when he opposed her]]. This was explained in ''ComicBook/Ultimates2015'' partly as having her GoMadFromTheRevelation of the Marvel Universe's floating timeline thanks to Galactus showing her. [[BaseBreakingCharacter While some fans still love the character, others are unsure that she should be the female face of Marvel.]]
** Several years on, thanks to a [[Film/CaptainMarvel successful film]] and appearance in [[Film/AvengersEndgame another]], a number of negative consequences for Carol and a fair amount of self-hatred on her part, plus a general desire by Marvel to forget that ''Civil War II'' ever happened (unlike the first ''Civil War'', which had extended consequences right up to and after ''{{ComicBook/Siege}}''), which was helped by how it was a forgettable event to begin with, and Ulysses himself hasn't been seen since - means that it's simmered down to the occasional mention.
* ''ComicBook/InhumansVsXMen'' has the Inhumans, who are trying to stop the X-Men from essentially saving their people from being gassed by their Terrigen Mists, all so they can continue using those self-same mists to forcibly convert people with Inhuman ancestry into new Inhumans. Needless to say, having people die for their own benefit isn't heroic. And it only gets worse when supplemented by ''ComicBook/DeathOfX'' and the tie-in volumes of ''ComicBook/{{Deadpool}} and the Mercs For Money'', both of which prove that to the Inhumans, the Terrigen Clouds are so sacred that they ''outweigh mutant lives'' in their eyes. It gets so bad that, when Kamala Khan and other Nuhumans get involved and they find out what's going on, all she can sputter out is "You guys, who are the ''good guys''?" Which by itself is troubling enough because it seems to imply that there is some level of moral ambiguity in the situation, instead of mutants fighting back against genocide (something summed up when Magneto - a ''Holocaust survivor'' - roared, "I will not allow my people to be ''gassed again''!").
** In the ''Death of X'', it's revealed that Black Bolt executed Cyclops for the hideous crime of... altering a Terrigen Cloud to still function as it should whilst no longer being lethal to mutants. Although ''Inhumans vs. X-Men'' tried to retcon that this caused the Cloud to destabilize and fall apart, that wasn't presented as being the case in ''Death of X'', and it still presents Black Bolt in a terrible light, since he ''still'' executed someone.
** In ''Deadpool and the Mercs for Money'', meanwhile, the characters visit an AlternateUniverse where the X-Men had one of their {{Reality Warper}}s successfully transmute the Terrigen Clouds to be harmless to mutants ''and'' still function to power-up Inhumans. The result? The war between the two races got '''worse''', as the Inhumans were outraged that the Terrigen Mists were no longer 100% the same chemical makeup as they had always been.
** This is even more obvious when one looks at the prior history of the Inhumans, which made it clear that they were largely {{Anti Hero}}es at best; the noble class of an intensely stratified and isolated monarchy with all the problems that comes with it, including archaic rituals, intense xenophobia, imperialistic ventures, and even slave labor at points. Trying to switch them to being straightforward protagonists was really never going to work.
* In their latest incarnation, the ComicBook/{{Runaways}} seem to be hitting this trope, as their efforts to reunite the team wreak havoc on the lives of the individual members, with Victor being resurrected against his will, Karolina getting dumped by her girlfriend, and Molly becoming estranged from her grandmother (who is, to be fair, a MadScientist, but was still genuinely devoted to providing a good home for her granddaughter.) This is perhaps most pronounced in issue #11, where the Runaways barge in on Klara, who's been HappilyAdopted, and try to pressure her into returning, even going so far as to baselessly accuse her adoptive dads of being supervillains.
* Some readers feel the X-Men as a whole have hit this point during ''ComicBook/JonathanHickmansXMen''. To wit, after years of being the punching bag of... everyone, mutants have founded their own country known as Krakoa. This country quickly becomes a destabilising presence in the world, as its miracle drugs (which have effects including curing incurable diseases and extending lifespans) have a huge impact on global politics and the economy, but are only given to those who ally with Krakoa, which means recognising it as a country and allowing mutants to leave to join it no matter their previous crimes -- Krakoa bills itself as a "fresh start", so no crime prior to a mutant joining "counts", meaning mass murderers like Sabretooth and Apocalypse are given free passes. Anyone who attempts to arrest or detain a mutant who ''is'' aligned with Krakoa -- even heroes like the Fantastic Four -- are rebuked and basically told "this is a mutant problem, fuck off" and the mutants will deal with the criminal themselves, without revealing the world ''how'' they dealt with it, which does not build trust at all. They also do not allow any humans to visit without supervision. Finally, what laws they do have that seem good, such as the rule against killing any human, have been broken ''a lot'', to the point that most of the high-ranking X-Men ''know'' it's just for show and won't be followed when push comes to shove. The books ''do'' paint the X-Men as somewhat morally grey now, but for some readers, it's not often enough given the things they're doing.
* ComicBook/IronMan during the ''Comicbook/CivilWar'', with ComicBook/CaptainAmerica as the DesignatedVillain, DependingOnTheWriter. In some issues from that arc, the exact opposite effect occurred: ComicBook/IronMan appeared to be the DesignatedVillain (to many, he seemed like a reasonable guy defending normal humans against powerful forces while trying to avert a backlash against superheroes, yet some writers expected us to root against him) and Cap seemed like the Designated Hero (refusing to take seriously Iron Man and Reed Richards' arguments that humans were in danger due to the mega-powerful supers running loose and unaccountable, yet some writers expected us to find Cap to be completely reasonable). The fact that the ''writers themselves'' seemed to be fighting over which side was right just added to the confusion; some sources claim that there wasn't actually a single, mutually-agreed version of ''the letter'' of the SuperRegistrationAct, which surely cannot have helped.
** Perhaps the {{Aesop}} was that neither extreme was truly moral. ''If'' that's what they were going for, designated heroes were the way to go. ComicBook/CaptainAmerica was the Designated Hero more often than not with ComicBook/IronMan as the DesignatedVillain. Mainly because the politics associated with Cap's side tended to resonate better with most of the writers. But all in all, it was a case of a complicated issue being "simplified" by having a good guy and a bad guy. Iron Man and his pro-Registration side all took a big hit in the credibility department when they started tossing anti-Registration heroes into a parallel universe prison without trials.
** Another example of Iron Man being the Designated Hero was ''ComicBook/WorldWarHulk''. To the point where many readers were cheering the Hulk on. (This was, in fact, already happening when Civil War was still going on, with "[[TakeAThirdOption You're all fucked when the Hulk gets back!]]" being a common response to Marvel's ad campaign trying to get fans to choose a side in the war.)
** According to WordOfGod, the ''official'' stance is that Iron Man and the Pro-Registration side was meant to be the one in the right; and they thought it was "so ''obvious''" (despite "Registration" in Marvel comics historically relating to "Mutant Death Camps", and despite ComicBook/CaptainAmerica traditionally being '''the''' moral compass of the Marvel universe) that they threw in a few KickTheDog moments to make it seem more ambiguous. If so, they went ''seriously'' overboard, since the Pro-Reg does things like try to arrest Cap ''by force'' for breaking the Act '''before the Act was even passed''', creating a [[CloningBlues clone of Thor]] that went AxCrazy and killed an Anti-Reg C-list hero (Bill Foster/Goliath), [[ToCatchHeroesHireVillains hiring supervillains to capture their opponents]] (and giving the AxCrazy mass-murderer ComicBook/NormanOsborn ''a major position in SHIELD''), ''throwing captured heroes into a prison without trial in the [[DeathWorld NEGATIVE ZONE]]'' (an otherworldly post-apocalyptic dimension populated entirely with dangerous aliens and monsters) and trying to start a war with another nation (Atlantis). The worst the Anti-Reg side did was hire ComicBook/ThePunisher (then fire him immediately), fight Pro-Reg forces, and be on the receiving end of StrawManPolitical journalism. The majority of readers sided with Cap and supporters of ''both'' sides thought Iron Man was a dick in this story and believed he was meant to be the bad guy.
** And then he and Reed Richards (two of the heads of the Pro-Registration faction) use science to make everyone forget Spider-Man's secret identity so he can continue being a vigilante without having to deal with accountability in ComicBook/OneMomentInTime. Which pretty much goes against what they fought the entire ComicBook/CivilWar and committed all their crimes against humanity to put a stop to. So you can add horrific levels of hypocrisy to the list of what makes them designated heroes.
* There was a lot of this in ''ComicBook/AvengersVsXMen'' as well. DependingOnTheWriter, Captain America and the Avengers are a bunch of fascists jerks to the plucky underdog X-Men, or ComicBook/{{Cyclops}} and his X-Men are a bunch of religious fanatics and dictators waiting to happen.
** The aftermath is just as confusing with regards to this trope. Cyclops is definitely framed as being in the wrong (it was him who killed Professor Xavier, after all), but the validity of this is pretty questionable considering why he killed Xavier and that he was spurred on by the Avengers, but other issues have members of the Avengers calling out Tony Stark over his role in the crisis. The fact that [[Comicbook/UncannyAvengers the Avengers were the ones to man up and offer the olive branch to the X-Men]] just confuses the roles even more.
** Throughout the series and aftermath, the only one who seems to be constantly a Designated Hero is Wolverine, who essentially causes the conflict by telling Captain America what essentially amounted to biased accounts on Cyclops' character and the Phoenix as a whole, repeatedly attempts to kill Hope because 'it's the only way' to stop the Phoenix (which would have fucked everything up had he been successful), and afterwards doesn't even try to help the newly appearing, and vulnerable, mutants. He does however, find the time to harass Cyclops at every opportunity when ''he'' tries to do so.
* Spider-Man in the infamous ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay'' is supposed to be suffering from the upcoming death of his Aunt May, instead he's a selfish manchild who scoffs at a man showing him sympathy for saying "I know how you feel", [[spoiler:accepts a ''literal'' DealWithTheDevil by giving up his marriage and talks his wife into doing it]]. So, with great power comes... [[BrokenAesop no responsibility? Peter's deal was a better option than taking responsibility for his actions and growing up?]]
** Things become more complicated and worse when it is revealed Mary Jane egged him on and her reasons why.
* ''ComicBook/CivilWarII'' gives us [[ComicBook/CarolDanvers Captain Marvel]], following in the footsteps of Iron Man in the first ''ComicBook/CivilWar'' and who went a little crazy with her methods while using a Inhuman precog, Ulysses, to combat crimes. [[spoiler: She went around trying to arrest her allies and others for things that haven't happened yet, and ignored people when they tried to tell her that the precog wasn't really seeing the future, at least not with 100% accuracy. Having indirectly caused the deaths of War Machine and Bruce Banner, she grew more stubborn in her beliefs and went on to imprison an innocent woman, tried to arrest Miles for a crime he may not commit, and put Iron Man in coma when he opposed her]]. This was explained in ''ComicBook/Ultimates2015'' partly as having her GoMadFromTheRevelation of the Marvel Universe's floating timeline thanks to Galactus showing her. [[BaseBreakingCharacter While some fans still love the character, others are unsure that she should be the female face of Marvel.]]
** Several years on, thanks to a [[Film/CaptainMarvel successful film]] and appearance in [[Film/AvengersEndgame another]], a number of negative consequences for Carol and a fair amount of self-hatred on her part, plus a general desire by Marvel to forget that ''Civil War II'' ever happened (unlike the first ''Civil War'', which had extended consequences right up to and after ''{{ComicBook/Siege}}''), which was helped by how it was a forgettable event to begin with, and Ulysses himself hasn't been seen since - means that it's simmered down to the occasional mention.
* ''ComicBook/InhumansVsXMen'' has the Inhumans, who are trying to stop the X-Men from essentially saving their people from being gassed by their Terrigen Mists, all so they can continue using those self-same mists to forcibly convert people with Inhuman ancestry into new Inhumans. Needless to say, having people die for their own benefit isn't heroic. And it only gets worse when supplemented by ''ComicBook/DeathOfX'' and the tie-in volumes of ''ComicBook/{{Deadpool}} and the Mercs For Money'', both of which prove that to the Inhumans, the Terrigen Clouds are so sacred that they ''outweigh mutant lives'' in their eyes. It gets so bad that, when Kamala Khan and other Nuhumans get involved and they find out what's going on, all she can sputter out is "You guys, who are the ''good guys''?" Which by itself is troubling enough because it seems to imply that there is some level of moral ambiguity in the situation, instead of mutants fighting back against genocide (something summed up when Magneto - a ''Holocaust survivor'' - roared, "I will not allow my people to be ''gassed again''!").
** In the ''Death of X'', it's revealed that Black Bolt executed Cyclops for the hideous crime of... altering a Terrigen Cloud to still function as it should whilst no longer being lethal to mutants. Although ''Inhumans vs. X-Men'' tried to retcon that this caused the Cloud to destabilize and fall apart, that wasn't presented as being the case in ''Death of X'', and it still presents Black Bolt in a terrible light, since he ''still'' executed someone.
** In ''Deadpool and the Mercs for Money'', meanwhile, the characters visit an AlternateUniverse where the X-Men had one of their {{Reality Warper}}s successfully transmute the Terrigen Clouds to be harmless to mutants ''and'' still function to power-up Inhumans. The result? The war between the two races got '''worse''', as the Inhumans were outraged that the Terrigen Mists were no longer 100% the same chemical makeup as they had always been.
** This is even more obvious when one looks at the prior history of the Inhumans, which made it clear that they were largely {{Anti Hero}}es at best; the noble class of an intensely stratified and isolated monarchy with all the problems that comes with it, including archaic rituals, intense xenophobia, imperialistic ventures, and even slave labor at points. Trying to switch them to being straightforward protagonists was really never going to work.
* In their latest incarnation, the ComicBook/{{Runaways}} seem to be hitting this trope, as their efforts to reunite the team wreak havoc on the lives of the individual members, with Victor being resurrected against his will, Karolina getting dumped by her girlfriend, and Molly becoming estranged from her grandmother (who is, to be fair, a MadScientist, but was still genuinely devoted to providing a good home for her granddaughter.) This is perhaps most pronounced in issue #11, where the Runaways barge in on Klara, who's been HappilyAdopted, and try to pressure her into returning, even going so far as to baselessly accuse her adoptive dads of being supervillains.
* Some readers feel the X-Men as a whole have hit this point during ''ComicBook/JonathanHickmansXMen''. To wit, after years of being the punching bag of... everyone, mutants have founded their own country known as Krakoa. This country quickly becomes a destabilising presence in the world, as its miracle drugs (which have effects including curing incurable diseases and extending lifespans) have a huge impact on global politics and the economy, but are only given to those who ally with Krakoa, which means recognising it as a country and allowing mutants to leave to join it no matter their previous crimes -- Krakoa bills itself as a "fresh start", so no crime prior to a mutant joining "counts", meaning mass murderers like Sabretooth and Apocalypse are given free passes. Anyone who attempts to arrest or detain a mutant who ''is'' aligned with Krakoa -- even heroes like the Fantastic Four -- are rebuked and basically told "this is a mutant problem, fuck off" and the mutants will deal with the criminal themselves, without revealing the world ''how'' they dealt with it, which does not build trust at all. They also do not allow any humans to visit without supervision. Finally, what laws they do have that seem good, such as the rule against killing any human, have been broken ''a lot'', to the point that most of the high-ranking X-Men ''know'' it's just for show and won't be followed when push comes to shove. The books ''do'' paint the X-Men as somewhat morally grey now, but for some readers, it's not often enough given the things they're doing.
