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** There was also Halisstra, resident {{Heel Face Turn}}er and DefectorFromDecadence, who was pretty consistent in her first few appearances as a scheming but not-particularly-cruel drow who jumped ship when a nicer deity than Lolth came down the line. Then after her conversion she got flanderized into an idiot who shouldn't have lasted a ''day'' in [[AlwaysChaoticEvil drow society]] and made some utterly boneheaded moves that ultimately got her forcibly converted into Lolth's BrainwashedAndCrazy TheDragon. Sigh.

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** There was also Halisstra, resident {{Heel Face Turn}}er and DefectorFromDecadence, who was pretty consistent in her first few appearances as a scheming but not-particularly-cruel drow who jumped ship when a nicer deity than Lolth came down the line. Then after her conversion she got flanderized into an idiot who shouldn't have lasted a ''day'' in [[AlwaysChaoticEvil drow society]] and made some utterly boneheaded moves that ultimately got her forcibly converted into Lolth's BrainwashedAndCrazy TheDragon. Sigh.

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Examples of characterization changing dramatically DependingOnTheWriter in {{Literature}}.
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* Creator/KimNewman:
** This is invoked in "The Original Dr. Shade", which revolves around a revival of the in-universe fictional character of that name. When originally created between the wars by a writer with fascist political views, he was a brutal vigilante who defended traditional England by murdering stereotypically-depicted foreigners and especially Jews. As reinvented during World War II and afterwards by a Jewish writer, he was a TechnicalPacifist secret agent who punched Nazis and defended minorities, democracy and human rights. In the Newman stories in settings where he is an unproblematically real person, this continues to be invoked, as he makes only cameo appearances, remains mysterious, and can seem anywhere on the spectrum from thoroughly heroic to CreepyGood to scary BlueAndOrangeMorality.
** In the superhero pastiche "[[http://johnnyalucard.com/fiction/online-fiction/coastal-city/ Coastal City]]", [[CommissionerGordon Commissioner Francis Riordan]] is ''aware'' that his personality changes depending on which hero he's dealing with (in other words, whose comic book he's appearing in).

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* The [[Myth/ArthurianLegend Arthurian mythos]]. Dozens of medieval authors created works related to the ''Matter of Britain'' - and the number of knights, the location of Arthur's court, and countless minute details, tended to vary from one writer to another.
* ''Literature/AtlantaNights'' manages to do this within a single book, which makes sense considering that it's a collaborative hoax by several writers.



* The original Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse (now known as the ''[[Franchise/StarWarsLegends Legends]]'' continuity) has some very bad examples of this, especially in the long, interconnected series of novels. The ''Literature/NewJediOrder'' series (19 novels, 27 stories, 12 different writers) was legendary for this, and its followup, ''Literature/LegacyOfTheForce'', managed to be even worse--despite being only three writers writing three books each.
** Even before then, some parts of the Bantam Spectra-era ExpandedUniverse, depending on the writer. Largely this is because writers apparently didn't like one anothers' work and did as they pleased, ignoring the fact that the Star Wars EU is supposed to be continuous. This led to quite a few {{Fix Fic}}s--and see that article for how this was eventually repaired in {{Canon}}.
** The best example is probably the character Tahiri. She has managed to cycle through being the girl RaisedByNatives, the VictoriousChildhoodFriend, the [[ShellShockedVeteran shell shocked torture victim]], the [[HerHeartWillGoOn widowed lover]], AxCrazy, the [[SplitPersonalityTakeover girl with split personalities]] (which later merge into a 3rd personality), the [[Literature/DarkNestTrilogy cultish bug girl]], a [[TheDarkSide Sith apprentice]], the [[MummiesAtTheDinnerTable lover who just won't let go]], a [[{{Squick}} pedophile seductress]], the FemmeFatale and is now on the [[JourneyToFindOneself journey to find herself]]. These all occurred with little to no character development and all function subsequently from each other? Oh boy. In [[Literature/FateoftheJedi Fate of the Jedi: Ascension]], you can add TheAtoner to the list, which at least makes sense given the above.
** The ''Literature/BlackFleetCrisis'', ''[[Literature/TheCallistaTrilogy Callista]]'' and ''Literature/JediAcademyTrilogy'' books portrayed [[TheHero Luke Skywalker]] egregiously bad. He went from TheHero to QuicklyDemotedLeader to everywhere in between. They even managed to introduce TheScrappy in Callista and Akanah. Black Fleet Crisis turned Luke into more of an InvincibleHero than he's ''ever'' been before or since, giving him {{Story Breaker Power}}s out of [[NewPowersAsThePlotDemands absolutely nowhere]], and then thoroughly disregarding his character in order to [[DeusExitMachina get him out of the way]]. For instance, he decides that trying to help the galaxy, ''particularly'' his family, is annoying and a lot of work, so he declares that he's going to stop so that he can be a hermit. Don't contact him, he'll come out when ''he'' wants to. And no one finds this the least bit strange or out of character.
** In a word: Mando'a. Depending on the writer--that is, depending on whether the writer is Karen Traviss or not--the Mandalorians are either gruff, psychologically diverse mercenaries and warriors with questionable pasts and practices[[note]]like the fact that their race ''backed the Sith'' in every single one of the Sith/Jedi wars[[/note]], or eternally morally-upstanding WarriorPoet heroes who show the Jedi what they're really supposed to be like. Traviss' work has included [[spoiler: A Jedi dropping his saber and joining them]], and an attempt to justify [[spoiler:Order 66]]. Traviss' moments of SmallNameBigEgo don't help matters.
** Are Imperial stormtroopers a bunch of faceless mooks, poorly equipped, poorly armed, half blind, disorganized, blindly obedient, dim-witted, in fragile armor, easily killed, and fundamentally evil so it's okay to kill them? Or are they a widely disparate military force of individuals, who joined the stormtrooper corps for many reasons including the desire to protect civilians, who may question the orders they are given, who think of themselves as preservers of order and justice, highly trained and well equipped, a BadassArmy that too often gets led by incompetents and evil people? Depends. Are you reading most EU novels, or are you reading [[Literature/TheThrawnTrilogy anything]] [[Literature/HandOfThrawn by]] [[Literature/OutboundFlight Timothy]] [[Creator/TimothyZahn Zahn]]?
*** Generally this depends on how much character development the Imperials get. For example, the VideoGame/TIEFighter video game, which had the player as an Imperial pilot the entire time, have the Imperials on the right side of morality in virtually every battle, with some "questionable" secondary objectives.
*** Also any ex-Imperial military personal (Stormtrooper, Officer, Pilots, etc) instantly becomes elite if they join the Rebels or mercenaries. That is a pretty strong indication they are well-trained, just forced to use ridiculously bad tactics.
** Another good one for a long while was Luke's love life. You could see the [[ArmedWithCanon canon wars]] as practically every single writer made a new beautiful girl for Luke to fall for, convinced that ''his'' creation was the future Mrs. Skywalker. Creator/TimothyZahn just got the last shot; and the first, outside the films.
** The ''Millennium Falcon's'' speed. Does "Fastest Ship In the Galaxy" apply to realspace and hyperspace both, or just hyperspace? The movies, WordOfGod, and several pieces point towards the former (the Falcon is clearly shown flying the fastest in ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi''), but some writers, perhaps drawing too much from the tabletop RPG, make it slower than fighters. But it was also shown being outrun by a Star Destroyer in "Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack" (hence Han's line about "We can still outmaneuver them"), though admittedly this was while it was in a state of disrepair.
** To a lesser degree compared to the worst examples, there's Vader and his YouHaveFailedMe tendencies. Sometimes we find out that guys like Ozzel were incompetent to the level that the Empire was truly better off without them. Other depictions have him as so choke-happy that officers draw lots to see who must report to Vader because even if you're bringing him news as ordered, he might kill you just because he's in the mood to do so.
*** Another Vader-related question is the matter of his lightsaber skills. Depending on who was writing Vader at any given time his swordsmanship could be anything from clunky but effective to unstoppable juggernaut to elegant fencer. Not helped by the disparity in Vader's ''film'' appearances (contrast especially his slow, jerky movements during his fight against Obi-Wan in ''A New Hope'' to his fast, twirling, casually masterful technique from ''Rogue One'').
** The general tech levels of the setting tend to be all over the place, as is [[SciFiWritersHaveNoSenseOfScale the scale involved]]. For instance, in some stories, a blaster seems to have [[CoolButInefficient the stopping power of a modern gun of its size and shape, if not weaker]], while in other stories, even a pistol-sized blaster's shots can shatter concrete or turn a person into hot ash. A Star Destroyer's weapons can range from about as strong as an Iowa-class's broadside, to about as strong as a nuclear strike; at the high-end, it's been claimed that a large warship could render an unprotected planet uninhabitable on its own. And then there's how big various armies and navies are, with the most notorious being the question of how many clones the Republic made; claims vary from a couple million to several orders of magnitude above that. In general, some writers treat the galaxy as more or less "World War II, but with robots and hyperdrive", and others treat it as well within [[JustForFun/AbusingTheKardashevScaleForFunAndProfit Type II on the Kardashev scale]].



* The ''Literature/WarOfTheSpiderQueen'' series of TabletopGame/ForgottenRealms novels suffers from this trope very badly. In a sextology where each book was written by a different author, this sounds like it should have been inevitable, but Creator/RASalvatore ''was'' billed rather prominently as the series' editor (most likely for [[CashCowFranchise other]] [[CreatorWorship reasons]]). All of the characters got hosed with this from book to book, but DeadpanSnarker and [[MrFanservice fan favorite]] Pharaun Mizzrym in particular suffered from wildly inconsistent characterization in the later books of the series. [[spoiler:And then was killed off.]]
** There was also Halisstra, resident {{Heel Face Turn}}er and DefectorFromDecadence, who was pretty consistent in her first few appearances as a scheming but not-particularly-cruel drow who jumped ship when a nicer deity than Lolth came down the line. Then after her conversion she got flanderized into an idiot who shouldn't have lasted a ''day'' in [[AlwaysChaoticEvil drow society]] and made some utterly boneheaded moves that ultimately got her forcibly converted into Lolth's BrainwashedAndCrazy TheDragon. Sigh.
* Franchise/DoctorWhoExpandedUniverse:

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* The ''Literature/WarOfTheSpiderQueen'' series of TabletopGame/ForgottenRealms novels suffers from this trope very badly. In a sextology where each book was written by a different author, this sounds like it should have been inevitable, but Creator/RASalvatore ''was'' billed rather prominently as the series' editor (most likely for [[CashCowFranchise other]] [[CreatorWorship reasons]]). All of the characters got hosed with this from book to book, but DeadpanSnarker and [[MrFanservice fan favorite]] Pharaun Mizzrym in particular suffered from wildly inconsistent characterization in the later books of the series. [[spoiler:And then was killed off.]]
** There was also Halisstra, resident {{Heel Face Turn}}er and DefectorFromDecadence, who was pretty consistent in her first few appearances as a scheming but not-particularly-cruel drow who jumped ship when a nicer deity than Lolth came down the line. Then after her conversion she got flanderized into an idiot who shouldn't have lasted a ''day'' in [[AlwaysChaoticEvil drow society]] and made some utterly boneheaded moves that ultimately got her forcibly converted into Lolth's BrainwashedAndCrazy TheDragon. Sigh.
* Franchise/DoctorWhoExpandedUniverse:
''Franchise/DoctorWhoExpandedUniverse'':



* The [[Myth/ArthurianLegend Arthurian mythos]]. Dozens of medieval authors created works related to the ''Matter of Britain'' - and the number of knights, the location of Arthur's court, and countless minute details, tended to vary from one writer to another.
* ''Literature/AtlantaNights'' manages to do this within a single book, which makes sense considering that it's a collaborative hoax by several writers.



* In Literature/TheHardyBoys spinoff series, ''The Hardy Boys Casefiles,'' the opening chapter of the first book ''Dead on Target'' has Joe's girlfriend Iola killed by a terrorist car bomb. Since the series was written by a great many ghostwriters, many ignored this fact for the most part, and Joe would slingshot between essentially a non-married grieving widower to his more typical fun-loving, girl-crazy self.
* Creator/KimNewman:
** This is invoked in "The Original Dr. Shade", which revolves around a revival of the in-universe fictional character of that name. When originally created between the wars by a writer with fascist political views, he was a brutal vigilante who defended traditional England by murdering stereotypically-depicted foreigners and especially Jews. As reinvented during World War II and afterwards by a Jewish writer, he was a TechnicalPacifist secret agent who punched Nazis and defended minorities, democracy and human rights. In the Newman stories in settings where he is an unproblematically real person, this continues to be invoked, as he makes only cameo appearances, remains mysterious, and can seem anywhere on the spectrum from thoroughly heroic to CreepyGood to scary BlueAndOrangeMorality.
** In the superhero pastiche "[[http://johnnyalucard.com/fiction/online-fiction/coastal-city/ Coastal City]]", [[CommissionerGordon Commissioner Francis Riordan]] is ''aware'' that his personality changes depending on which hero he's dealing with (in other words, whose comic book he's appearing in).

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* ''TabletopGame/ForgottenRealms'': The ''Literature/WarOfTheSpiderQueen'' series suffers from this trope very badly. In a sextology where each book was written by a different author, this sounds like it should have been inevitable, but Creator/RASalvatore ''was'' billed rather prominently as the series' editor (most likely for [[CashCowFranchise other]] [[CreatorWorship reasons]]). All of the characters got hosed with this from book to book, but DeadpanSnarker and [[MrFanservice fan favorite]] Pharaun Mizzrym in particular suffered from wildly inconsistent characterization in the later books of the series. [[spoiler:And then was killed off.]]
** There was also Halisstra, resident {{Heel Face Turn}}er and DefectorFromDecadence, who was pretty consistent in her first few appearances as a scheming but not-particularly-cruel drow who jumped ship when a nicer deity than Lolth came down the line. Then after her conversion she got flanderized into an idiot who shouldn't have lasted a ''day'' in [[AlwaysChaoticEvil drow society]] and made some utterly boneheaded moves that ultimately got her forcibly converted into Lolth's BrainwashedAndCrazy TheDragon. Sigh.
* Depending on the ''editor'', the titular demon from the ''Literature/GeorgeAndAzazel'' stories is either actually supernatural or a SufficientlyAdvancedAlien.
* In Literature/TheHardyBoys ''Literature/TheHardyBoys'' spinoff series, ''The Hardy Boys Casefiles,'' Casefiles'', the opening chapter of the first book ''Dead on Target'' has Joe's girlfriend Iola killed by a terrorist car bomb. Since the series was written by a great many ghostwriters, many ignored this fact for the most part, and Joe would slingshot between essentially a non-married grieving widower to his more typical fun-loving, girl-crazy self.
* Creator/KimNewman:
** This is invoked in "The Original Dr. Shade", which revolves around a revival of the in-universe fictional character of that name. When originally created between the wars by a writer with fascist political views, he was a brutal vigilante who defended traditional England by murdering stereotypically-depicted foreigners and especially Jews. As reinvented during World War II and afterwards by a Jewish writer, he was a TechnicalPacifist secret agent who punched Nazis and defended minorities, democracy and human rights. In the Newman stories in settings where he is an unproblematically real person, this continues to be invoked, as he makes only cameo appearances, remains mysterious, and can seem anywhere on the spectrum from thoroughly heroic to CreepyGood to scary BlueAndOrangeMorality.
** In the superhero pastiche "[[http://johnnyalucard.com/fiction/online-fiction/coastal-city/ Coastal City]]", [[CommissionerGordon Commissioner Francis Riordan]] is ''aware'' that his personality changes depending on which hero he's dealing with (in other words, whose comic book he's appearing in).
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* Depending on the ''editor'', the titular demon from the ''Literature/GeorgeAndAzazel'' stories is either actually supernatural or a SufficientlyAdvancedAlien.

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* The original ''Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse'' (now known as the ''[[Franchise/StarWarsLegends Legends]]'' continuity) has some very bad examples of this, especially in the long, interconnected series of novels. The ''Literature/NewJediOrder'' series (19 novels, 27 stories, 12 different writers) was legendary for this, and its followup, ''Literature/LegacyOfTheForce'', managed to be even worse--despite being only three writers writing three books each.
** Even before then, some parts of the Bantam Spectra-era ExpandedUniverse, depending on the writer. Largely this is because writers apparently didn't like one anothers' work and did as they pleased, ignoring the fact that the Star Wars EU is supposed to be continuous. This led to quite a few {{Fix Fic}}s--and see that article for how this was eventually repaired in {{Canon}}.
** The best example is probably the character Tahiri. She has managed to cycle through being the girl RaisedByNatives, the VictoriousChildhoodFriend, the [[ShellShockedVeteran shell shocked torture victim]], the [[HerHeartWillGoOn widowed lover]], AxCrazy, the [[SplitPersonalityTakeover girl with split personalities]] (which later merge into a 3rd personality), the [[Literature/DarkNestTrilogy cultish bug girl]], a [[TheDarkSide Sith apprentice]], the [[MummiesAtTheDinnerTable lover who just won't let go]], a [[{{Squick}} pedophile seductress]], the FemmeFatale and is now on the [[JourneyToFindOneself journey to find herself]]. These all occurred with little to no character development and all function subsequently from each other? Oh boy. In [[Literature/FateoftheJedi Fate of the Jedi: Ascension]], you can add TheAtoner to the list, which at least makes sense given the above.
** The ''Literature/BlackFleetCrisis'', ''[[Literature/TheCallistaTrilogy Callista]]'' and ''Literature/JediAcademyTrilogy'' books portrayed [[TheHero Luke Skywalker]] egregiously bad. He went from TheHero to QuicklyDemotedLeader to everywhere in between. They even managed to introduce TheScrappy in Callista and Akanah. Black Fleet Crisis turned Luke into more of an InvincibleHero than he's ''ever'' been before or since, giving him {{Story Breaker Power}}s out of [[NewPowersAsThePlotDemands absolutely nowhere]], and then thoroughly disregarding his character in order to [[DeusExitMachina get him out of the way]]. For instance, he decides that trying to help the galaxy, ''particularly'' his family, is annoying and a lot of work, so he declares that he's going to stop so that he can be a hermit. Don't contact him, he'll come out when ''he'' wants to. And no one finds this the least bit strange or out of character.
** In a word: Mando'a.
Depending on the ''editor'', writer--that is, depending on whether the titular demon writer is Karen Traviss or not--the Mandalorians are either gruff, psychologically diverse mercenaries and warriors with questionable pasts and practices[[note]]like the fact that their race ''backed the Sith'' in every single one of the Sith/Jedi wars[[/note]], or eternally morally-upstanding WarriorPoet heroes who show the Jedi what they're really supposed to be like. Traviss' work has included [[spoiler: A Jedi dropping his saber and joining them]], and an attempt to justify [[spoiler:Order 66]]. Traviss' moments of SmallNameBigEgo don't help matters.
** Are Imperial stormtroopers a bunch of faceless mooks, poorly equipped, poorly armed, half blind, disorganized, blindly obedient, dim-witted, in fragile armor, easily killed, and fundamentally evil so it's okay to kill them? Or are they a widely disparate military force of individuals, who joined the stormtrooper corps for many reasons including the desire to protect civilians, who may question the orders they are given, who think of themselves as preservers of order and justice, highly trained and well equipped, a BadassArmy that too often gets led by incompetents and evil people? Depends. Are you reading most EU novels, or are you reading [[Literature/TheThrawnTrilogy anything]] [[Literature/HandOfThrawn by]] [[Literature/OutboundFlight Timothy]] [[Creator/TimothyZahn Zahn]]?
*** Generally this depends on how much character development the Imperials get. For example, the VideoGame/TIEFighter video game, which had the player as an Imperial pilot the entire time, have the Imperials on the right side of morality in virtually every battle, with some "questionable" secondary objectives.
*** Also any ex-Imperial military personal (Stormtrooper, Officer, Pilots, etc) instantly becomes elite if they join the Rebels or mercenaries. That is a pretty strong indication they are well-trained, just forced to use ridiculously bad tactics.
** Another good one for a long while was Luke's love life. You could see the [[ArmedWithCanon canon wars]] as practically every single writer made a new beautiful girl for Luke to fall for, convinced that ''his'' creation was the future Mrs. Skywalker. Creator/TimothyZahn just got the last shot; and the first, outside the films.
** The ''Millennium Falcon's'' speed. Does "Fastest Ship In the Galaxy" apply to realspace and hyperspace both, or just hyperspace? The movies, WordOfGod, and several pieces point towards the former (the Falcon is clearly shown flying the fastest in ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi''), but some writers, perhaps drawing too much
from the ''Literature/GeorgeAndAzazel'' stories tabletop RPG, make it slower than fighters. But it was also shown being outrun by a Star Destroyer in "Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack" (hence Han's line about "We can still outmaneuver them"), though admittedly this was while it was in a state of disrepair.
** To a lesser degree compared to the worst examples, there's Vader and his YouHaveFailedMe tendencies. Sometimes we find out that guys like Ozzel were incompetent to the level that the Empire was truly better off without them. Other depictions have him as so choke-happy that officers draw lots to see who must report to Vader because even if you're bringing him news as ordered, he might kill you just because he's in the mood to do so.
*** Another Vader-related question
is either actually supernatural the matter of his lightsaber skills. Depending on who was writing Vader at any given time his swordsmanship could be anything from clunky but effective to unstoppable juggernaut to elegant fencer. Not helped by the disparity in Vader's ''film'' appearances (contrast especially his slow, jerky movements during his fight against Obi-Wan in ''A New Hope'' to his fast, twirling, casually masterful technique from ''Rogue One'').
** The general tech levels of the setting tend to be all over the place, as is [[SciFiWritersHaveNoSenseOfScale the scale involved]]. For instance, in some stories, a blaster seems to have [[CoolButInefficient the stopping power of a modern gun of its size and shape, if not weaker]], while in other stories, even a pistol-sized blaster's shots can shatter concrete
or turn a SufficientlyAdvancedAlien.person into hot ash. A Star Destroyer's weapons can range from about as strong as an Iowa-class's broadside, to about as strong as a nuclear strike; at the high-end, it's been claimed that a large warship could render an unprotected planet uninhabitable on its own. And then there's how big various armies and navies are, with the most notorious being the question of how many clones the Republic made; claims vary from a couple million to several orders of magnitude above that. In general, some writers treat the galaxy as more or less "World War II, but with robots and hyperdrive", and others treat it as well within [[JustForFun/AbusingTheKardashevScaleForFunAndProfit Type II on the Kardashev scale]].

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