History DarthWiki / KamichamaKarinChuProject

* HairDecorations: The most important parts of the timeline can basically be marked off based on what hair decs Karin is wearing. (The anime shows Suzuka with the winged hair decs and the manga shows adult Karin with none, but let's just put that aside...) (maybe Suzuka only switched hair decs after she married Kazuto?)

* HappilyAdopted: If Shingen is indeed a clone of Micchi, he's obviously not going to have any real parents... to mirror how he's out of the loop of the plot, he's this, rather than a current orphan like most of the main cast.

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* HowDoYouLikeThemApples: Rika's Seeds of Chaos eventually grow into apple trees, and her powers are associated with Eris.

Page is a work in progress. This is just a listing of the tropes (likely) involved, not a full overview of the work. (Also I haven't actually read or watched the base material in quite a while and may get some things wrong. I should really go do those things.) Also also, unmarked spoilers for all works involved.

As I doubt anyone cares about this nearly as much as I do this project will likely stay largely theoretical and a work-in-progress. That being said, if it ever does enter any stage of production it will almost certainly not be animated (obviously) and will more likely be released in some sort of manga/comic form. (RecursiveAdaptation, or something more sinister? You decide!) Actually, the way the story is written might allow it to stand on its own for new fans without being to AsYouKnow-ish to the old... Alternatively, a wiki will be created to document the work as though it actually existed.

* BaitAndSwitchCredits: Would be played with. To help sell the apparent discontinuity with the original anime, the first opening theme would be a more typical one with just a hint of darkness (something like Madoka's op), while the first ending would be more ominous. About halfway though the series, likely soon after the hot springs ep, the opening would change to something more in line with the original's Ankoku Tengoku. The ending would probably change as well, perhaps to something incongruously peppy.
* '''{{Filler}}?''': I'd like to aim for about 24-26 episodes, but the chapters of Chu will likely fall a bit short of that mark by about three or four. The original anime made up for this by pulling in pretty much all of the bonus chapters at the time, including one that was printed with Chu. I'd like to use canon material as much as possible to keep the OriginalFlavor going, but there's little to go on- the anime snatched up all of the full-length bonus chapters, and the extra edition chapters (which I actually have most of- anyone wanna translate them for me sometime?) are too short to fill out an episode on their own, though they could be used for material to pad out episodes based on a single chapter. What do?

* {{Retcon}}[=/=]CanonDiscontinuity: The joke is that any sane adaptation of Chu would probably just pretend the first anime never happened (see: the newer Rozen Maiden anime, Hayate no Gotoku's various anime seasons...)
** Start with changing the "are you crying?" scene back to the way it was in the manga. From there, as mentioned above, the first half of this timeline is closer to the manga and missing most of the anime's bigger changes, which is reflected in the main story, and in flashbacks and whatever little bits and pieces get recounted to Jin.

For the record, I came up with most of this long before Madoka was a thing.

* GirlOfMyDreams: Jin's "dreams" of Karin are actually memories of Suzuka from Kirihiko's mind, ala the Suzuka flashbacks Karin has in the anime. The threat he percieves to her is actually just Kazuto being the romantic winner and "taking her away". This likely doesn't end well.

Essentially, ''Kamichama Karin Chu Project'' is a sequel and MindScrewdriver for the anime of ''Kamichama Karin''. Mainly it's an exercise in picking up the threads left hanging from the anime adaptation, because boy did that thing have some strange threads.

As I doubt anyone cares about this nearly as much as I do this project will likely stay largely theoretical and a work-in-progress. That being said, if it ever does enter any stage of production it will almost certainly not be animated (obviously) and will more likely be released in manga/comic form. (RecursiveAdaptation, or something more sinister? You decide!) Actually, the way the story is written might allow it to stand on its own for new fans without being to AsYouKnow-ish to the old... Alternatively, a wiki will be created to document the work as though it actually existed.

The main point is to deal with the time-travel-related antics of the original work, with Project starting in a [[GroundhogDayLoop fresh timeline]] to shake off some parts of the original that would be awkward to work with directly.

* BaitAndSwitchCredits: Would be played with. To help sell the apparent discontinuity with the original anime, the first opening theme would be a more typical one with just a hint of darkness (something like Madoka's op), while the first ending would be more ominous. About halfway though the series, likely soon after the hot springs ep, the opening would change to something more in line with the original's Ankoku Tengoku. The ending would probabaly change to, perhaps to something incongruously peppy.

* AlternateTimeline:

** Also, Rika's normal method of trying to change time again is this, after the initial physical travel that left both her and Himeka2 around.

* SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong: The only way I can think of to deal with the anime's weird ending is to introduce a chain of these. The "future" seen in the anime is actually a previous attempt at changing the future, though instead of someone rewinding time to try again, Rika sent Karin back to get rid of her. After Karin returns to the future (as seen at the very end of the anime), the events of that timeline continue for a while before things go pear-shaped, at which point time is rewound again, producing Project's timeline. There may even have been multiple attempts at changing the future before the anime one. Still working the kinks out...

* TimeyWimeyBall: ...

** Played with with Yuuki and Shingen; originally the former told the latter about Kamika, but since Yuuki was never involved with Kamika in this continuity (nay part of it), instead Shingen gives him what little tidbits Rika told him followed by his own imaginings. It sort of moves from exposition/recap to a parody...

* {{Foil}}: Shingen is developed as a foil to Jin. Some of it was already there: Jin's a "bad" guy (related to the Karasumas, draws his powers from Hades) who falls in love with the heroine and fights for the good guys; Shingen is potentially a "good" guy (commonly theorised to be related to Micchi, back in the day) who falls in love with the villain and ends up working for the bad guys.

* HairDecorations: The most important parts of the timeline can basically be marked off based on what hair decs Karin is wearing.

** Olives with hearts: The future.

** Another name for it, based on some bits from the anime, might be something like "Labyrinth of Time, though it obviously serves as more than just a time travel channel...
* SoulJar: Kirihiko left part of his soul in the Zeus ring (canon in both anime and manga if I remember correctly) likely left part of himself in Jin (enough to trigger some memory-dreams; see Girl of My Dreams above) and in the Chronos Clock that Rika received (so he can contect her). At this point we might as well go full Voldemort and have him leave a bit of his soul in that pet crow Kirio had in the anime.

** Olives with hearts: The future. (''Chu'' shows adult Karin with the winged hair decs, but there's a bonus chapter taking place after Chu that shows her with the heart decs.)

The main point is to deal with the time-travel-related antics of the original work, with Project starting in a [[GroundhodGayLoop fresh timeline]] to shake off some parts of the original that would be awkward to work with directly.

Essentially, ''Kamichama Karin Chu Project'' is a MindScrewdriver for the anime of ''Kamichama Karin''. Mainly it's an exercise in picking up the threads left hanging from the anime adaptation, because boy did that thing have some strange threads.

As I doubt anyone cares about this nearly as much as I do this project will likely stay largely theoretical and a work-in-progress. That being said, if it ever does enter any stage of production it will almost certainly not be animated (obviously) and will more likely be released in manga/comic form. (RecursiveAdaptation, or something more sinister? You decide!) Actually, the way the story is written might allow it to stand on its own for new fans without being to AsYouKnow-ish to the old...

For the record, I came up with all this long before Madoka was a thing.

* FlashbackEcho: Like the Suzuka flashbacks in the anime, Karin's flashbacks/sidewayses/whatever to previous timelines are typically triggered by something related to them. Often they're direct equivalents of whatever is happening at the time.

* {{Retcon}}: The joke is that any sane adaptation of Chu would probably just pretend the first anime never happened (see: the newer Rozen Maiden anime, Hayate no Gotoku's various anime seasons...)
** Start with changing the "are you crying?" scene back to the way it was in the manga. From there, as mentioned above, the first half of this timeline is closer to the manga and missing most of the anime's bigger changes, which is reflected in the main story, and in flashbacks and whatever little bits and pieces get recounted to Jin.
** ... But then Karin starts having flashbacks to things that couldn't have happened and it turns out there've been multiple timelines, including what happened in the anime.
* SaveScumming:

** Rika goes back in time herself each time, using her Chrinos Clock to keep her apparent age constant. She may well be much older than she appears by now.

* AlternateContinuity: Continued from the anime's

** Olives with hearts: The future.

* PhysicalGod[=/=]GodInHumanForm: Kyuu (the butler) may be Hephaestus, the Greek god of blacksmithery etc who smithed all the other Gods' weapons. He took interest in Kazuto's attempts to revive the powers of the gods to help humanity and helped him create the rings and the weapons and powers that went with them; when things went south, Kazuto entrusted him with the Kujyou kids. and he became their butler. He may have helped Kazune and Micchi create the new God rings used in Chu/Project as well. Unlike Nyake/Shii-chan, he's not a revived dead person.

[[folder:Notable tropes]]
Tropes that're used significantly differently in the Project than in any of the canon materials, or that're reinterpretations of canon material, or what have you.


* DarkWorld: The Realm of the Gods (see Place Beyond Time, below) mirrors reality in some places, most notably the ClockTower, which seems to mirror Big Ben.
* GirlOfMyDreams: Jin's "dreams" of Karin are actually memories of Suzuka from Kirihiko's mind, ala the Suzuka flashbacks Karin has in the anime. The threat he percieves to her is actually just Kazuto being the romantic winner and "taking her away". This likely doesn't end well.

* FlashbackEcho:
* HairDecorations: The most important parts of the timeline can basically be marked off based on what hair decs Karin is wearing.
** Red ribbon: [[{{Backstory}} The past]] (Suzuka). Also seen when Suzuka's personality is brought back due to Karin's amnesia/MentalTimeTravel, as in the manga.
** Olives by themselves: The first half (first manga series/anime).
** Olives with wings: The second half (Chu/Project)
** Olives with hearts: The future.

* MurderTheHypotenuse: As implied in both the manga and anime, Kirihiko murdered Kazuto, though the timing and circumstances seem to be different in each canon...
* PlaceBeyondTime: The sepia-toned... weird place seen in the anime during time travel and [[TrippyFinaleSyndrome the finale]], aka the "Realm of the Gods". It's an alternate dimension that [[DarkWorld mirrors the real world in some places]], that connects to certain times and places and thus can be used as a tunnel through time. It's definitely connected to the power of the gods, and seems attracted to times and places where significant events take place relating to those powers. While there're enough [[MagicAIsMagicA rules]] in place that what goes on there stays consistent, most of it will be left a mystery to preserve the tone of the original anime to some degree.
** Another name for it, based on some bits from the anime, might be something like "Labyrinth of Time, though it obviously serves as more than just a time travel channel...

* SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong: The only way I can think of to deal with the anime's weird ending is to introduce a chain of these. The "future" seen in the anime is actually a previous attempt at changing the future, though instead of someone rewinding time to try again, Rika sent Karin back to get rid of her. After Karin returns to the future (as seen at the very end of the anime), the events of that timeline continue for a while before things go pear-shaped, at which point time is rewound again, producing Project's timeline. There may even have been multiple attempts at changing the future before the anime one. Still working the kinks out... For the record, I came up with this long before ''Madoka Magika'' was a thing.

* SoulJar: Kirihiko left part of his soul in the Zeus ring (danon in both anime and manga if I remember correctly) likely left part of himself in Jin (enough to trigger some memory-dreams; see Girl of My Dreams above) and in the Chronos Clock that Rika received (so he can contect her). At this point we might as well go full Voldemort and have him leave a bit of his soul in that pet crow Kirio had in the anime.

* TrippyFinaleSyndrome: Part of the finale takes place in the Realm of the Gods, but to avoid it being too similar to the anime finale, it also takes place partially in the BadFuture, like in the manga.

Page is a work in progress. This will likely get very confusing very fast. (Also I haven't actually read or watched the base material in quite a while and may get some things wrong. I should really go do those things.) Also also, unmarked spoilers for all works involved.

** Not sure about Karin's side, as they wouldn't always make it far enough for Suzune to be born... either their methods vary depending on the events of the timeline, or there's some sort of alpha future that Suzune always comes from.
* TimeyWimeyBall: Is quickly heading this way...

** The Project version of that bit where Karin became amnesiac and reverted to Suzuka's personality currently involves her being sent back to the events of ep 21-22 and having a physical body there seperate from her "present" self at that point, while possibly leaving an amnesiac Suzuka-Karin behind... so this works in reverse too??

* {{Retcon}}: The joke is that any sane adaptation of Chu would probably just pretend the first anime never happened (see: FMA Brotherhood, the newer Rozen Maiden anime, Hayate no Gotoku's various anime seasons...)

* SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong: The only way I can think of to deal with the anime's weird ending is to introduce a chain of these. The "future" seen in the anime is actually a previous attempt at changing the future, though instead of someone rewinding time to try again, Rika sent Karin back to get rid of her. After Karin returns to the future (as seen at the very end of the anime), the events of that timeline continue for a while before things go pear-shaped, at which point time is rewound again, producing Project's timeline. There may even have been multiple attempts at changing the future before the anime one. Still working the kinks out...

Page is a work in progress. This will likely get very confusing very fast. (Also I haven't actually read or watched the base material in quite a while and may get some things wrong. I should really go do those things.) Also, unmarked spoilers for all works involved.

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[[folder:The timeline]]

Because the only way I can think of to deal with the anime's weird ending is to create an endless recursion of {{Set Right What Once Went Wrong}}s. And for the record, I thought of this long before Madoka was even a thing.

For future (ha ha) reference:
* The "first half" of each timeline refers to the events covered by the first seven volumes of the manga/the anime series; the "second half" refers to the events of Chu. The second half is redone in every timeline; whether or not the first half is changed from the last timeline can vary.
* The "past" refers to the events taking place before the series started- that is, it's the back story. It should be stable. The "future" is generally the time that Suzune comes from, assuming Karin and Kazune make it to adulthood. This doesn't happen in every timeline- in fact, there may be only one such "future", originating from the very first timeline.
** There may also be a future that hasn't happened yet, where Kirihiko was successfully revived, which is where (when?) he contacts Rika from to get her to revive him, also possibly being responsible for Kirio and Kirika's illness from there/then. Thus, if Rika hadn't tried to help her siblings or had taken a different route, the whole problem would have quitetly paradoxed itself out of existence. (see also, Artemis Fowl and the Time Paradox)

* Let's call the anime's timeline M, the "future" seen in the anime L, and Project's timeline N.
** M actually isn't a full timeline- as seen in the last episode, the Kazune and co from L bring Karin from M to L. Unlike the other timelines, this one wasn't caused by both sides deciding to try again, but by Rika trying to weaken the enemy by kicking Karin out (which wouldn't have helped anyway since Karin needs to be around for Kirihiko to be revived in Jin; this is touched on in Project). L ends like any other timeline, creating timeline N.
** N's first half... probably the anime/M but with all interference from the future/L removed. Ep 8 just doesn't happen, Karin knows she's Suzuka but might not have the memories (though that I might actually retain), and whatever changes were made by Kazune and Suzune's visit in 21-22 no longer happen- they obviously still have to win, so I'm thinking their visit was to set something up for the second half (a mini SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong, perhaps), hence Kazune saying something like "you did well" to Karin when she goes back to L. This brings N's first half somewhat back into line with the manga (see Retcon below), but not fully (eg Yuuki's involvement is still gone). Most likely the remaining rings (Kazusa and Karin/Micchi's) will be the same, with most rings being destroyed over the course of the battle rather than deliberately destroyed afterwards. That mystery ring Karin activated at the end of the anime might still have a purpose...
** When is the Suzune in ep 8 from? It doesn't really matter, but it might be nice to know...

* All the timey-wimey surrounding timelines L, M and N causes memories of previous versions of events to bleed through to Karin, which is what leads to her figuring out how to solve things this time around. Which is good, because this is the timeline where Rika manages to revive Kirihiko/figures out what she's missing to do so.
** The bit where Rika gives Karin amnesia and she reverts to Suzuka's personality becomes Rika sending Karin back in time, like in ep 1, but only temporarily (she now knows she needs Karin and just wants her out of the way for a bit; she''' return when the Seed Rika planted in her is destroyed). Karin ends up back around ep 21-22, the anime version where Kazune and Suzune showed up from the last timeline. (They're surprised to see her, and this obviously didn't happen "last" time... timey-wimey) She manages to get what answers and clarity he can give before he drops her off on the way back to his "present", and comes back to her timeline with a very good idea of what needs to be done this time.
*** This includes an explanation of ep 8 as well: Suzune accidentally travelled too far back and got Karin involved (and lost) when he wasn't supposed to, so Jin and Micchi bailed the both of them out. (Not necessarily Jin and Micchi from L- they could be from the "first" future, or from whatever timeline that Suzune is from, or something...)

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* PlaceBeyondTime: The sepia-toned... weird place seen in the anime during time travel and [[TrippyFinaleSyndrome the finale]], aka the "Realm of the Gods". It's an alternate dimension that [[DarkWorld mirrors the real world in some places]], that connects to certain times and places and thus can be used as a tunnel through time. It's definitely connected to the power of the gods, and seems attracted to times and places where significant events take place relating to those powers. While there're enough [[MagicAIsMagicA rules]] in place that what goes on there stays consistent, most of it will be left a mystery to preserve the tone of the original anime to some degree. Most notably, its origin- is it something that always existed and was only found through capturing the gods' powers? Something created by man, as a byproduct of the creation of the rings, on purpose? Or was it made by the gods? And when?
* {{Retcon}}: The joke is that any sane adaptation of Chu would probably just pretend the first anime never happened (see: FMA Brotherhood, the newer Rozen Maiden anime...)

* TimeyWimeyBall: See above folder. Send help.

** There may also be a future that hasn't happened yet, where Kirihiko was successfully revived, which is where (when?) he contacts Rika from to get her to revive him, also possibly being responsible for Kirio and Kirika's illness fom there/then. This, if Rika hadn't tried to help her siblings or had taken a different route, the whole problem would have paradoxed itself out of existence. (see also, Artemis Fowl and the Time Paradox)

** N's first half... probably the anime/M but with all interference from the future/L removed. Ep 8 just doesn't happen, and whatever changes were made by Kazune and Suzune's visit in 21-22 no longer happen- they obviously still have to win, so I'm thinking their visit was to set something up for the second half (a mini SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong, perhaps), hence Kazune saying something like "you did well" to Karin when she goes back to L.

Page is a work in progress. This might get very confusing very fast.

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Various bonus chapters and related Koge Donbo works that were never translated. Nothing that really needs to be taken as canon, but there might be some interesting bits and pieces in here.

[[folder:General notes]]
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Tropes that're used significantly differently in the Project than in any of the canon materials, or that're reinterpretations of canon material.

* MentalTimeTravel: What happened in episode 1 seemed to be this on one end (Karin landed back in her body with the memories she had at that point in time) and normal time travel at the other (she vanished from the future she traveled back from). Rika did this deliberately as an attempt to get rid of her, so this seems to be something that can be done deliberately instead of normal travel?[[/folder]]