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** During Culhane's brief stint at Creator/WarnerBros, while he enjoyed working with Creator/ChuckJones, he took issue with how Leon Schlesinger ran the studio, as he recounted in "Talking Animals and Other People". He came to the studio to direct some navy-themed cartoons, and while he thought he had a good deal at first (noting that Schlesinger's hands-off approach sounded better than having Max Fleischer "breathing down [his] neck"), he quickly formed the opinion that Schlesinger was lazy. The last straw was when Schlesinger promised Culhane he would be directing as soon as he signed the contracts for some navy films, only for him to deny that he ever promised a directing position to Culhane once he actually did.
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** According to one of his daughters, Creator/FrizFreleng grew to hate ''WesternAnimation/RhapsodyRabbit'', mostly due to the controversy it caused as a result of its striking similarities to a ''WesternAnimation/TomAndJerry'' cartoon called ''WesternAnimation/TheCatConcerto'', and the fact that [[OvershadowedByControversy it was the only thing about the short that fans would bring up for years]]. However, he eventually warmed up to the short, to the point that in a 1990 interview for WesternAnimation/BugsBunny's 50th anniversary, [[CreatorsFavoriteEpisode he cited it as one of his favourites]].
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** Bob Jaques (yes, ''[[Creator/CarbunkleCartoons that]]'' Bob Jaques) directed one episode, and had absolutely nothing nice to say about it when it was brought up on the ''What a Cartoon!'' podcast. He compared working on ''Family Guy'' to writing an article where you're only allowed to use a limited set of words. Ironically, the episode in question, "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS2E3DaBoom Da Boom]]", is one of the show's most beloved episodes.

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** Creator/CharlesMSchulz deeply regretted the animated special ''It's Your First Kiss, Charlie Brown'' due to the infamous scene where Lucy pulls the football away from Charlie Brown when he is about to score the winning point during a championship game, for which he is blamed by nearly everybody (most notably Peppermint Patty) even though Lucy did it in plain view. Fans considered this to be too cruel even for Charlie Brown, in what is otherwise a well-received special. Schulz recognized the fan outcry and so subsequent reruns by the networks and home video releases heavily edit the offending scene (mostly by masking P.P.'s lines of her berating Charlie Brown).
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** Creator/CharlesMSchulz deeply regretted the animated special ''It's Your First Kiss, Charlie Brown'' due to the infamous scene where Lucy pulls the football away from Charlie Brown when he is about to score the winning point during a championship game, for which he is blamed by nearly everybody (most notably Peppermint Patty) even though Lucy did it in plain view. Fans considered this to be too cruel even for Charlie Brown, in what is otherwise a well-received special. Schulz recognized the fan outcry and so subsequent reruns by the networks and home video releases heavily edit the offending scene (mostly by masking P.P.'s lines of her berating Charlie Brown). \n*** In the exact same special, he He also regretted allowing the Little Red Haired Red-Haired Girl to physically appear and have a name (Heather), as he rather wanted her to remain TheGhost in order to show Charlie Brown's hopelessness in longing for her.

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** Creator/CharlesMSchulz deeply regretted the animated special ''It's Your First Kiss, Charlie Brown'' due to the infamous scene where Lucy pulls the football away from Charlie Brown when he is about to score the winning point during a championship game, for which he is blamed by nearly everybody (most notably Peppermint Patty) even though Lucy did it in plain view. Fans considered this to be too cruel even for Charlie Brown, in what is otherwise a well-received special. Schulz recognized the fan outcry and so subsequent reruns by the networks heavily edit the offending scene (mostly by masking P.P.'s lines). In the exact same special, he also regretted allowing the Little Red Haired Girl to physically appear and have a name (Heather), as he rather wanted her to remain TheGhost in order to show Charlie Brown's hopelessness in longing for her.

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** Creator/CharlesMSchulz deeply regretted the animated special ''It's Your First Kiss, Charlie Brown'' due to the infamous scene where Lucy pulls the football away from Charlie Brown when he is about to score the winning point during a championship game, for which he is blamed by nearly everybody (most notably Peppermint Patty) even though Lucy did it in plain view. Fans considered this to be too cruel even for Charlie Brown, in what is otherwise a well-received special. Schulz recognized the fan outcry and so subsequent reruns by the networks and home video releases heavily edit the offending scene (mostly by masking P.P.'s lines). lines of her berating Charlie Brown).
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In the exact same special, he also regretted allowing the Little Red Haired Girl to physically appear and have a name (Heather), as he rather wanted her to remain TheGhost in order to show Charlie Brown's hopelessness in longing for her.
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** They've also admitted to disliking "[[Recap/SouthParkS10E14StanleysCup Stanley's Cup]]", admitting that it was strictly a filler episode to get the tenth season finished. Fortunately for them, a lot of fans seem to agree (thanks in no small part to its ending being considered way too cruel even for South Park).

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** They've also admitted to disliking "[[Recap/SouthParkS10E14StanleysCup Stanley's Cup]]", admitting that it was strictly a filler episode to get the tenth season finished. finished, and absolutely hated the experience of working on it; it wasn't completed until Trey Parker and Matt Stone were forced to, with Stone comparing the process to childbirth and Parker fearing that the episode's TroubledProduction could have gotten the show cancelled. Fortunately for them, a lot of fans seem to agree (thanks in no small part to its agree. However, they have stated that they find the ending being considered hilarious, despite the fandom considering it to be way too cruel even for South Park).''South Park''.
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** As for the main ''WesternAnimation/PinkyAndTheBrain'' series, Creator/MauriceLaMarche stated in the book ''The Magic Behind the Voices'' that he disapproved of the episode "Fly", where Brain plans to flood everything below the 39th floors of buildings to become the ultimate landlord, feeling that this scheme was too dark for the character to come up with.
--->'''Maurice''': It was very gratifying for me as a viewer to see the Brain get the absolute living hell kicked out of him for six months straight by that dog. The little bastard deserved it. It'll teach him for coming up with a plan that could hurt children.
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** M.A. Larson indicated in a [[https://www.equestriadaily.com/2017/10/ma-larson-explains-fame-and-misfortune.html?m=1 Q&A panel]] and (now-deleted) tweets that he wasn't happy with "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E14FameAndMisfortune Fame and Misfortune]]", as he felt the way it played out was very needlessly mean-spirited for an otherwise lighthearted show and lacked any clear story arc or {{Aesop}} in the end. He didn't even like the premise of the episode in the first place [[note]] [[WhatCouldHaveBeen he tried to rewrite it]] as a Pinkie Pie-focused episode where the harassers had a JerkassRealization and apologized to her at the end after she called them out[[/note]] and he knew that fans would be furious [[TakeThatAudience with how it portrayed the Brony Community]], but [[ExecutiveMeddling the higher-ups wouldn't let him do it any other way]]. He even asked the fans who genuinely did like the episode [[YourApprovalFillsMeWithShame to not give him any credit or praise for it]].

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** M.A. Larson indicated in a [[https://www.equestriadaily.com/2017/10/ma-larson-explains-fame-and-misfortune.html?m=1 Q&A panel]] and (now-deleted) tweets that he wasn't happy with "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E14FameAndMisfortune Fame and Misfortune]]", as he felt the way it played out was very needlessly mean-spirited for an otherwise lighthearted show and lacked any clear story arc or {{Aesop}} in the end. He didn't even like the premise of the episode in the first place [[note]] and he knew that fans would be furious [[TakeThatAudience with how it portrayed the Brony Community]]. [[WhatCouldHaveBeen he He tried to rewrite it]] as a Pinkie Pie-focused episode where the harassers had a JerkassRealization and apologized to her at the end after she called them out[[/note]] and he knew that fans would be furious [[TakeThatAudience with how it portrayed the Brony Community]], out, but [[ExecutiveMeddling the higher-ups wouldn't let him do it any other way]]. He even asked the fans who genuinely did like the episode [[YourApprovalFillsMeWithShame to not give him any credit or praise for it]].
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** M.A. Larson indicated in a [[https://www.equestriadaily.com/2017/10/ma-larson-explains-fame-and-misfortune.html?m=1 Q&A panel]] and (now-deleted) tweets that he wasn't happy with "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E14FameAndMisfortune Fame and Misfortune]]", as he felt the way it played out was very needlessly mean-spirited for an otherwise lighthearted show and lacked any clear story arc or {{Aesop}} in the end. He didn't even like the premise of the episode in the first place and he knew that fans would be furious [[TakeThatAudience with how it portrayed the Brony Community]], but [[ExecutiveMeddling the higher-ups wouldn't let him do it any other way]]. His entire explanation of how he felt about it, along with [[WhatCouldHaveBeen how he wanted to do it instead]], is on [[Quotes/CreatorBacklash the quotes page]]. He even asked the fans who genuinely did like the episode [[YourApprovalFillsMeWithShame to not give him any credit or praise for it]].

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** M.A. Larson indicated in a [[https://www.equestriadaily.com/2017/10/ma-larson-explains-fame-and-misfortune.html?m=1 Q&A panel]] and (now-deleted) tweets that he wasn't happy with "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E14FameAndMisfortune Fame and Misfortune]]", as he felt the way it played out was very needlessly mean-spirited for an otherwise lighthearted show and lacked any clear story arc or {{Aesop}} in the end. He didn't even like the premise of the episode in the first place [[note]] [[WhatCouldHaveBeen he tried to rewrite it]] as a Pinkie Pie-focused episode where the harassers had a JerkassRealization and apologized to her at the end after she called them out[[/note]] and he knew that fans would be furious [[TakeThatAudience with how it portrayed the Brony Community]], but [[ExecutiveMeddling the higher-ups wouldn't let him do it any other way]]. His entire explanation of how he felt about it, along with [[WhatCouldHaveBeen how he wanted to do it instead]], is on [[Quotes/CreatorBacklash the quotes page]].way]]. He even asked the fans who genuinely did like the episode [[YourApprovalFillsMeWithShame to not give him any credit or praise for it]].
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** Creator/{{Nelvana}}, one of the animation companies, does not even mention this show on their website. However, this may have come from the fact that Nelvana does not own any rights to the show, as it was a commisioned work (the cartoon's rights are owned by Universal domestically and Warner Bros. internationally). For similar reasons, Nelvana's site does not acknowledge for example ''WesternAnimation/AceVenturaTheAnimatedSeries'' or ''WesternAnimation/TheAdventuresOfChuckAndFriends''.

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** Creator/{{Nelvana}}, one of the animation companies, does not even mention this show on their website. However, this may have come from the fact that Nelvana does not own any rights to the show, as it was a commisioned work (the cartoon's rights are owned by Universal domestically and Warner Bros. internationally). For similar reasons, Nelvana's site does not acknowledge for example ''WesternAnimation/AceVenturaTheAnimatedSeries'' (for example) ''Film/AceVentura: The Animated Series'' or ''WesternAnimation/TheAdventuresOfChuckAndFriends''.
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** Nobody on the team liked the various {{Clip Show}}s, being that they were born out of executive mandate (Fox wanted ''four'' clip shows a season, the writers talked them down to one clip show every one or two seasons). During the DVD commentary, their complete distaste for "Another Simpsons Clip Show" is evident to the point that they barely even talk about the episode in favor of instead talking about the production pipeline. Two of them went so far as to be [[AlanSmithee credited under false names]].
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* Chris Sonnenburg has shown his displeasure over [[WesternAnimation/TangledTheSeries Tangled's]] [[EnsembleDarkhorse Varian]] despite his popularity amongst many fans. It all came to a head in a Discord server where he implemented a 'no Varian talk' rule and when a fan stated that Rapunzul should have the main focus, his reply was You…the REAL fans…are who this show is for.” Part of his dislike of the character may have been due to him supplanting his [[CreatorsPet favorite character]] Cassandra.
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* Steve Moncuse, who created the comic book ''ComicBook/FishPolice'', is really unhappy with how the [[WesternAnimation/FishPolice cartoon version]] of it (which was made as a [[DuelingShows competitor show]] to ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'') turned out. Moncuse had nothing to do with the cartoon other than a creator's credit, and the cartoon was very much an InNameOnly adaptation. He said in one interview, "the less said about it, the better." The show got an entry in the book ''Literature/WhatWereTheyThinkingThe100DumbestEventsInTelevisionHistory'' seemingly because of Moncuse's disowning.
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** They have come to regret "[[Recap/SouthParkS10E6ManBearPig Man Bear Pig]]", having changed their minds about the danger of climate change. A [[Recap/SouthParkS22E6TimeToGetCereal two-part]] [[Recap/SouthParkS22E7NobodyGotCereal episode]] would air in 2018 that depicted the Man Bear Pig, the show's metaphor for climate change, as a real threat instead of a ploy for attention, and had the boys apologize to Al Gore for not taking him seriously. Gore is still made fun of as an egotistical blowhard, but it is stressed that [[JerkassHasAPoint all of the hype he gave Man Bear Pig as a threat is real.]]

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** They have come to regret "[[Recap/SouthParkS10E6ManBearPig Man Bear Pig]]", ManBearPig]]", having changed their minds about the danger of climate change. A [[Recap/SouthParkS22E6TimeToGetCereal two-part]] [[Recap/SouthParkS22E7NobodyGotCereal episode]] would air in 2018 that depicted the Man Bear Pig, [=ManBearPig=], the show's metaphor for climate change, as a real threat instead of a ploy for attention, and had the boys apologize to Al Gore for not taking him seriously. Gore is still made fun of as an egotistical blowhard, but it is stressed that [[JerkassHasAPoint all of the hype he gave Man Bear Pig ManBearPig as a threat is real.]]

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* Creator/DanHarmon has said that [[Recap/RickAndMortyS3E4Vindicators3TheReturnOfWorldEnder "Vindicators 3: The Return of World Ender"]] is the worst episode of ''WesternAnimation/RickAndMorty'' that the crew has ever made. He's never elaborated as to why, but some fans assume it's because the story fails to adhere to the "Story Circle" plot structure that he teaches and uses in all his writing, that being a variation of the traditional TheHerosJourney. It's hard to know for sure if he really did feel this way, however, due to the audio clip from the episode of the Harmontown podcast in which he called the Vindicators episode the worst one sounding almost like he was laughing through a comedic bit when he was saying it, so he may have just been making a joke, and since he's known for being a harsh critic of his own work, he may have only said it about that episode because it was the one being worked on the most at the time of the recording of that podcast episode, and would likely have called almost any Rick and Morty episode "the worst one" when stressed out enough about making it as good of an episode as possible.

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* Creator/DanHarmon has said that [[Recap/RickAndMortyS3E4Vindicators3TheReturnOfWorldEnder "Vindicators 3: The Return of World Ender"]] is the worst episode of ''WesternAnimation/RickAndMorty'' that the crew has ever made. He's never elaborated as to why, but some fans assume it's because the story fails to adhere to the "Story Circle" plot structure (a variation of the traditional TheHerosJourney) that he teaches and uses in all his writing, that being a variation of the traditional TheHerosJourney. It's hard to know for sure if he really did feel this way, however, due to the audio clip from the episode of the Harmontown podcast in which he called the Vindicators episode the worst one sounding almost like he was laughing through a comedic bit when he was saying it, so he may have just been making a joke, and since he's known for being a harsh critic of his own work, he may have only said it about that episode because it was the one being worked on the most at the time of the recording of that podcast episode, and would likely have called almost any Rick and Morty episode "the worst one" when stressed out enough about making it as good of an episode as possible.writing.



** Similarly some Warner staff such as Friz Freleng hated using Elmer Fudd, believing he was such an incompetent adversary for WesternAnimation/BugsBunny that it became difficult not to cast the latter more as a bully than a KarmicTrickster. Freleng created more abrasive foes such as Yosemite Sam so he could deal with the rivalry less (though he still used Elmer in other non-Bugs roles). Some sources also claim Freleng to have disliked WesternAnimation/SpeedyGonzales.

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** Similarly some Some Warner staff staff, such as Friz Freleng Freleng, hated using Elmer Fudd, believing he was such an incompetent adversary for WesternAnimation/BugsBunny that it became difficult not to cast the latter more as a bully than a KarmicTrickster. Freleng created more abrasive foes such as like Yosemite Sam so he could deal with the rivalry less (though he still used Elmer in other non-Bugs roles). Some sources also claim Freleng to have disliked WesternAnimation/SpeedyGonzales.



** Nicole Jaffe, the original voice of Velma, admits she only did the show [[MoneyDearBoy because she needed the money]], that she did not enjoy voiceover (finding voice actors at the time to be "weird" people), and was losing interest in acting in general. She retired to pursue her (very successful) career of being a talent agent, and pretty much forgot about ''Scooby-Doo'' until singer Music/LaurynHill told her how much she admired Velma. Afterwards, Jaffe began to appreciate her involvement in the series a bit more. She later came out of retirement to voice the character in 2002 for an additional two features, but says she does not think her performance was nearly as good as it had been 30+ years earlier, and is glad she does not have to voice the character anymore. However, she says she is open to appearing at fan conventions to sign autographs if invited.

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** Nicole Jaffe, the original voice of Velma, admits she only did the show [[MoneyDearBoy because she needed the money]], that she did not enjoy voiceover (finding voice actors at the time to be "weird" people), and was losing interest in acting in general. She retired to pursue her (very successful) career of being a talent agent, and pretty much forgot about ''Scooby-Doo'' until singer Music/LaurynHill told her how much she admired Velma. Afterwards, Jaffe began to appreciate her involvement in the series a bit more. She later came out of retirement to voice the character in 2002 for an additional two features, but says she does not think her performance was nearly as good as it had been 30+ years earlier, and is glad she does not have to voice the character anymore. However, she says she is open to appearing at fan conventions to sign autographs if invited.



** "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS6E18AStarIsBurns A Star Is Burns]]", a crossover with ''WesternAnimation/TheCritic'' [[ExecutiveMeddling forced upon the show by the network]]. Groening removed his name from the episode in protest and doesn't appear on the DVDCommentary for the episode. This was because he felt that the episode was basically just an advertisement for ''The Critic'', and didn't want to seem like he was associated with it. Despite this, the episode is still considered to be a classic.

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** "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS6E18AStarIsBurns A Star Is Burns]]", a crossover with ''WesternAnimation/TheCritic'' [[ExecutiveMeddling forced upon the show by the network]]. Groening removed his name from the episode in protest and doesn't appear on the DVDCommentary for the episode. This was because he felt that the episode was basically just an advertisement for ''The Critic'', and didn't want to seem like he was associated with it. Despite this, the episode is still considered to be a classic.



** Creator/BillyWest does not like talking about working on the show and refuses to work with John Kricfalusi ever again, citing having a bad experience with him on and off it. In particular, Kricfalusi demanded West quit the show alongside him in order to force the network to hire him back even though West needed the job and could have been blacklisted alongside Kricfalusi had he done it and failed, and West just saw the show as a job anyway and didn't feel any obligation to be loyal to Kricfalusi. He also referred to Adult Party Cartoon as "an advertisement for NAMBLA", as well as "one long gay joke that wasn't funny to start with." He refused reprise his role as Stimpy, not only because he assumed the failure would damage his career if he did, but because he was still mad at John K. for abusing him during the run of the original show, then launching a smear campaign against him and everyone else when he got fired. Not helping that he was nearly bribed into reprising Stimpy under the promise of not having to work directly with John, for a meager $45 an episode.
** To a lesser extent Bob Camp, while he enjoyed working on the show, he has similar bad memories working with Kricfalusi and executive demands, and wasn't satisfied with a lot of his directed episodes during the Games Animation seasons. He also hates the Adult Party Cartoon revival for its shock humor and how it temporarily torpedoed any chance of the series getting any future revival, namely his own attempt at pitching a Ren and Stimpy movie in the mid-2010s.
** Animator/character designer Robertryan Cory best known for his work on ''WesternAnimation/SpongebobSquarepants'' and ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'' worked for Kricfalusi on ''[[WesternAnimation/RenAndStimpyAdultPartyCartoon Adult Party Cartoon]]'', stating it was a dream of his come true having wanted to work on Ren and Stimpy since he was a kid, but he said Kricfalusi was very demanding of him and didn't treat him very well.
** On a non-Ren and Stimpy note, He is equally critical of his work on ''WesternAnimation/MightyMouse: The New Adventures''. He talks about it [[http://johnkstuff.blogspot.com/2007/10/tomorrows-mighty-mouse.html on this blog post.]]
*** He also detested his work with ''WesternAnimation/HeathcliffAndTheCatillacCats'', which he deemed "mediocre." Other people who worked on that series, including Creator/ChuckLorre, Scott Shaw and Eddie Fitzgerald share his sentiments despite the cartoon being fondly remembered among those who grew up watching it.

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** Creator/BillyWest does not like talking about working on the show and refuses to work with John Kricfalusi ever again, citing having a bad experience with him on and off it. In particular, Kricfalusi demanded West quit the show alongside him in order to force the network to hire him back back, even though West needed the job and could have been blacklisted alongside Kricfalusi had he done it and failed, and failed; West just saw the show as a job anyway anyway, and didn't feel any obligation to be loyal to Kricfalusi. He also referred to Adult ''Adult Party Cartoon Cartoon'' as "an advertisement for NAMBLA", as well as "one long gay joke that wasn't funny to start with." He refused to reprise his role as Stimpy, Stimpy for the series, not only because he assumed the failure would damage his career if he did, but because he was still mad at John K. Kricfalusi for abusing him during the run of the original show, then launching a smear campaign against him and everyone else when he got fired. Not helping that he was nearly bribed into reprising Stimpy under the promise of not having to work directly with John, for a meager $45 an episode.
** To a lesser extent Bob Camp, while he Camp enjoyed working on the show, he but has similar bad memories of working with Kricfalusi and executive demands, and wasn't satisfied with a lot of his directed episodes during the Games Animation seasons. He also hates the Adult ''Adult Party Cartoon Cartoon'' revival for its shock humor and how it temporarily torpedoed any chance of the series getting any future revival, namely his own attempt at pitching a Ren ''Ren and Stimpy Stimpy'' movie in the mid-2010s.
** Animator/character designer Robertryan Cory Cory, best known for his work on ''WesternAnimation/SpongebobSquarepants'' and ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'' ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'', worked for Kricfalusi on ''[[WesternAnimation/RenAndStimpyAdultPartyCartoon Adult Party Cartoon]]'', stating it was a dream of his come true having wanted to work on Ren ''Ren and Stimpy Stimpy'' since he was a kid, but he said Kricfalusi was very demanding of him and didn't treat him very well.
** On a non-Ren non-''Ren and Stimpy Stimpy'' note, He is equally critical of his work on ''WesternAnimation/MightyMouse: The New Adventures''. He talks about it [[http://johnkstuff.blogspot.com/2007/10/tomorrows-mighty-mouse.html on this blog post.]]
*** He also detested his work with ''WesternAnimation/HeathcliffAndTheCatillacCats'', which he deemed "mediocre." Other people who worked on that series, including Creator/ChuckLorre, Scott Shaw and Eddie Fitzgerald Fitzgerald, share his sentiments despite the cartoon being fondly remembered among those who grew up watching it.



** ''WesternAnimation/TheRippingFriends'' is also apparently very hard for him to watch because of all the ExecutiveMeddling.
** William Wray, who often describes John K. as "deeply unhappy" when sharing anecdotes about him, refused to talk about the show for many years because doing so brought a lot of bad memories of his and Kricfalusi's relationship, especially since Wray allegedly took it upon himself to befriend John and help with his depression to no avail. One less-than-pleasent anecdote involved John essentially trying to teach Wray how to do his job with a painting "lesson" to get Wray to paint backgrounds exactly how he wanted him to (this despite Kricfalusi never having painted in his life). Wray initially refused to be interviewed for Thad Komorowski's book Sick Little Monkeys, and even after coming around was described in the book as "tearful" when recalling the nightmare that was John K.'s firing. When K's 2019 short Cans Without Labels (which actually plagiarized painting of Wray's) was leaked online, Wray's critique on his Facebook page turned into a massive thread of former colleagues and other non-fans more or less confirming every single negative rumor about Kricfalusi.
** Artist Stephen DeStefano likewise has very bad memories of working on the show.
** Outside of the show, and in stark contrast to many of the other Spumco staff who contributed to or tipped their hat to it, Kricfalusi absolutely abhors the unauthorized book of the show's history, Sick Little Monkeys: The Unauthorized Ren and Stimpy Story, as it brought to light many unflattering anecdotes about him. He not only refused to have any part of it, he even took snipes at Komorowski on his blog in the post "Fanboy Admission and Genetics", drawing a disparaging caricature of him as an acne ridden and angry, troll nosed puppet with the text and caption taking an incredibly mean-spirited snipe with the caption "Puppet Aspergers" (Thad himself had the doodle colorized and used as his pic for a while). He abhorred the book so much that he would go as far as burning bridges with anyone who dared to support the book—he notably ended his 30-year friendship with animation historian Jerry Beck for posting a glowing review of the book on Cartoon Brew.

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** ''WesternAnimation/TheRippingFriends'' is also apparently very hard for him to watch because of all the ExecutiveMeddling.
** William Wray, who often describes John K. Kricfalusi as "deeply unhappy" when sharing anecdotes about him, refused to talk about the show for many years because doing so brought up a lot of bad memories of his and Kricfalusi's relationship, especially since Wray allegedly took it upon himself to befriend John and help with his depression to no avail. One less-than-pleasent less-than-pleasant anecdote involved John essentially trying to teach Wray how to do his job with a painting "lesson" to get Wray to paint backgrounds exactly how he wanted him to (this despite Kricfalusi never having painted in his life). Wray initially refused to be interviewed for Thad Komorowski's book Sick ''Sick Little Monkeys, Monkeys'', and even after coming around was described in the book as "tearful" when recalling the nightmare that was John K.'s firing. When K's Kricfalusi's 2019 short Cans film ''Cans Without Labels Labels'' (which actually plagiarized painting several of Wray's) Wray's paintings) was leaked online, Wray's critique on his Facebook page turned into a massive thread of former colleagues and other non-fans more or less confirming every single negative rumor about Kricfalusi.
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** Artist Stephen DeStefano likewise has very bad memories of working on the show.
** Outside of the show, and in stark contrast to many of the other Spumco staff who contributed to or tipped their hat to it, Kricfalusi absolutely abhors the unauthorized book of the show's history, Sick ''Sick Little Monkeys: The Unauthorized Ren and Stimpy Story, Story'', as it brought to light many unflattering anecdotes about him. He not only refused to have any part of it, he even took snipes at Komorowski on his blog in the post "Fanboy Admission and Genetics", drawing a disparaging caricature of him as an acne ridden and acne-ridden, angry, troll nosed troll-nosed puppet with the text and caption taking an incredibly mean-spirited snipe with the caption "Puppet Aspergers" Asperger's" (Thad himself had the doodle colorized and used as his pic for a while). He abhorred the book so much that he would go as far as burning bridges with anyone who dared to support the book—he book — he notably ended his 30-year friendship with animation historian Jerry Beck for posting a glowing review of the book on Cartoon Brew.



** Character designer Katie Rice has frequently admitted her contempt for Adult Party Cartoon. In addition to dealing with John K. as a person, she was given the task of designing and voicing a self-caricature for the sole purpose of getting fondled in "Naked Beach Frenzy." To say nothing of the live-action segment of John K. talking to her in an uncomforting way on the DVD intro, which she avoided watching for years (when she finally saw it, she threw the DVD away the next morning).
** While Richard Pursel still loves "Ren Seeks Help", he has made it clear that he does not like the parts with the brutally abused and suicidal frog, which were added into the episode by John K despite him being strongly against it and vocal about it.
* One seems to get that impression watching the 3rd ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'' [[WesternAnimation/FamilyGuyPresentsLaughItUpFuzzball Star Wars special]] ''It's A Trap!''. In the opening scene, the entire family groans and an annoyed Peter says "Let's get this over with." followed by the opening scroll that turns into a ''massive'' rant about how they (they being Seth [=MacFarlane=] and the rest of the crew) never wanted to do this nor ''Something Something Something Dark Side'' and only did so so Seth could do other projects without them (them being 20th Century Fox) complaining. Given that Family Guy does a lot of throwaway lines, it can be hard to tell they really meant it (though admittedly this seemed even more hostile than usual), at least until you listen to their DVD commentaries; turns out they meant every word of it.
** Episodes of ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'' use tons of SelfDeprecation gags about the show or other works the creators are responsible for (the Star Wars specials also include several jibes to Seth Green's ''WesternAnimation/RobotChicken''). Granted given the overall tone of such gags (and the fact they are expressed by less than sound individuals in the show) it may also count as TakeThatCritics.
** Creator/SethMacFarlane outright admitted that he stopped voicing Tim the Bear after a single season of WesternAnimation/TheClevelandShow because he felt the character was horrifically unfunny. Incidentally, when ''Cleveland Show'' was cancelled and the characters returned to Family Guy, Cleveland's introductory scene was a few straight minutes of [=MacFarlane's=] other characters lampooning the show.

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** Character designer Katie Rice has frequently admitted her contempt for Adult ''Adult Party Cartoon. Cartoon''. In addition to dealing with John K. Kricfalusi as a person, she was given the task of designing and voicing a self-caricature for the sole purpose of getting fondled in "Naked Beach Frenzy." To say nothing of the live-action segment of John K. Kricfalusi talking to her in an uncomforting uncomfortable way on the DVD intro, which she avoided watching for years (when she finally saw it, she threw the DVD away the next morning).
** While Richard Pursel still loves "Ren Seeks Help", he has made it clear that he does not like the parts with the brutally abused and suicidal frog, which were added into the episode by John K Kricfalusi despite him Pursel being strongly against it and vocal about it.
* ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'':
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One seems to get that this impression watching the 3rd ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'' third [[WesternAnimation/FamilyGuyPresentsLaughItUpFuzzball Star Wars special]] special]], ''It's A Trap!''. In the opening scene, the entire family groans and an annoyed Peter says "Let's get this over with." followed by the opening scroll that turns into a ''massive'' rant about how they (they being the ''Family Guy'' crew was considering skipping ''Return of the Jedi'' and only acquiesced so Seth [=MacFarlane=] and the rest of the crew) never wanted to do this nor ''Something Something Something Dark Side'' and only did so so Seth could do other projects ''Film/{{Ted}}'' without them (them being 20th Century Fox) Fox complaining. Given that Family Guy ''Family Guy'' does a lot of throwaway lines, it can be hard to tell they really meant it (though admittedly this seemed even more hostile than usual), at least until you listen to their DVD commentaries; turns out they meant every word of it.
** Episodes of ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'' use tons of SelfDeprecation gags about the show or other works the creators are responsible for (the Star Wars ''Star Wars'' specials also include several jibes to jabs at Seth Green's ''WesternAnimation/RobotChicken''). Granted given the overall tone of such gags (and the fact they are expressed by less than sound individuals in the show) it may also count as TakeThatCritics.
** Creator/SethMacFarlane outright admitted that he stopped voicing Tim the Bear after a single season of WesternAnimation/TheClevelandShow because he felt the character was horrifically unfunny. Incidentally, when ''Cleveland Show'' was cancelled and the characters returned to Family Guy, Cleveland's introductory scene was a few straight minutes of [=MacFarlane's=] other characters lampooning the show.
''WesternAnimation/RobotChicken'').



** He also dislikes "Turban Cowboy" due to the Boston Marathon Bombing, which resulted in someone splicing two unrelated scenes together to make it look like Peter bombed the marathon. Seth [=MacFarlane=] (who is mostly apathetic towards the series nowadays) was disgusted by the video.
** There's also the CutawayGag of Quagmire raping [[WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons Marge Simpson]] and proceeding to kill the entire family. This one damaged his friendship with Creator/MattGroening, and Seth [=MacFarlane=] eventually realized that the gag was a bit too extreme.

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** He also Seth [=MacFarlane=] dislikes "Turban Cowboy" due to the Boston Marathon Bombing, bombing, which resulted in someone splicing two unrelated scenes together to make it look like Peter bombed the marathon. Seth [=MacFarlane=] (who is mostly apathetic towards the series nowadays) was disgusted by the video.
** There's also the The CutawayGag of Quagmire raping [[WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons Marge Simpson]] and proceeding to kill the entire family. This one family damaged his [=MacFarlane=]'s friendship with Creator/MattGroening, and Seth [=MacFarlane=] himself eventually realized that the gag was a bit too extreme.



* Creator/SethMacFarlane outright admitted that he stopped voicing Tim the Bear after a single season of ''WesternAnimation/TheClevelandShow'' because he felt the character was horrifically unfunny. Incidentally, when ''Cleveland Show'' was cancelled and the characters returned to ''Family Guy'', Cleveland's introductory scene was a few straight minutes of other characters lampooning the show.



** M.A. Larson has indicated in a [[https://www.equestriadaily.com/2017/10/ma-larson-explains-fame-and-misfortune.html?m=1 Q&A panel]] and (now deleted) tweets that he wasn't happy with "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E14FameAndMisfortune Fame and Misfortune]]", as he felt the way it played out was very needlessly mean-spirited for an otherwise lighthearted show and lacked any clear story arc or {{Aesop}} in the end. He didn't even like the premise of the episode in the first place and he knew that fans would be furious [[TakeThatAudience with how it portrayed the Brony Community]], but [[ExecutiveMeddling the higher-ups wouldn't let him do it any other way]]. His entire explanation of how he felt about it, along with [[WhatCouldHaveBeen how he wanted to do it instead]], is on [[Quotes/CreatorBacklash the quotes page]]. He even asked the fans who genuinely did like the episode [[YourApprovalFillsMeWithShame to not give him any credit or praise for it]].

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** M.A. Larson has indicated in a [[https://www.equestriadaily.com/2017/10/ma-larson-explains-fame-and-misfortune.html?m=1 Q&A panel]] and (now deleted) (now-deleted) tweets that he wasn't happy with "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E14FameAndMisfortune Fame and Misfortune]]", as he felt the way it played out was very needlessly mean-spirited for an otherwise lighthearted show and lacked any clear story arc or {{Aesop}} in the end. He didn't even like the premise of the episode in the first place and he knew that fans would be furious [[TakeThatAudience with how it portrayed the Brony Community]], but [[ExecutiveMeddling the higher-ups wouldn't let him do it any other way]]. His entire explanation of how he felt about it, along with [[WhatCouldHaveBeen how he wanted to do it instead]], is on [[Quotes/CreatorBacklash the quotes page]]. He even asked the fans who genuinely did like the episode [[YourApprovalFillsMeWithShame to not give him any credit or praise for it]].



** "The Mysterious Mare Do-Well" was arguably the earliest and most enduring example of this for the series, having become infamous for its alleged BrokenAesop to the point where the creative team has rarely discussed it openly with fans.

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** "The Mysterious Mare Do-Well" was arguably is one of the earliest and most enduring example examples of this for the series, having become infamous for its alleged BrokenAesop to the point where the creative team has rarely discussed discusses it openly with fans.



** He also wasn't happy when a TV network revealed not only [[SpoilerTitle the names of season three episodes]] but also [[TrailersAlwaysSpoil the descriptions]]. The things that they spoiled included the return of a few villains, characters who had been Akumatized before being turned into new villains, and even [[spoiler: Chat Noir getting Akumatized into Chat Blanc]].
* Creator/JasonMarsden admitted [[http://www.sequentialtart.com/archive/may03/marsden.shtml in an interview]] that he thinks ''WesternAnimation/Xyber9NewDawn'' is awful and that it was basically just ''Franchise/StarWars''.

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** He also wasn't happy when a TV network revealed not only [[SpoilerTitle the names of season three episodes]] but also [[TrailersAlwaysSpoil the descriptions]]. The things that they spoiled included the return of a few villains, characters who had been Akumatized before being turned into new villains, and even [[spoiler: Chat Noir getting Akumatized into Chat Blanc]].
* Creator/JasonMarsden admitted [[http://www.sequentialtart.com/archive/may03/marsden.shtml in an interview]] that he thinks ''WesternAnimation/Xyber9NewDawn'' is awful and that it was basically just a ripoff of ''Franchise/StarWars''.



** Similarly, Megan Fahlenbock (Gwen) has supposedly said that she wasn't proud of Gwen's overall behavior in that season, mainly her handling of the love triangle.

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** Similarly, Megan Fahlenbock (Gwen) has supposedly said that she wasn't proud of Gwen's overall behavior in that season, mainly her handling of the love triangle.



** Now it seems that they are also trying to hide the fact that ''WesternAnimation/WowWowWubbzy'' exists as well. The show does not appear anywhere on Creator/NickJr's website, and it's not even included on the ''Creator/{{Noggin}}'' app either. Despite this, it is arguably still, or if not, one of the most talked about old Nick Jr. shows. This might be due to the fact the show is owned by Creator/{{Starz}} Starz Media's parent Creator/{{Lionsgate}}, and it's possible [[ScrewedbytheLawyers that Nickelodeon no longer has the rights to it.]] It could also be the reason why ''Wubbzy'' never appeared on any Nick Jr. compilation videos (for example, the Nick Jr. Favorites volumes.)

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** Now it seems that they are also trying to hide the fact that ''WesternAnimation/WowWowWubbzy'' exists as well. The show does not appear anywhere on Creator/NickJr's website, and it's not even included on the ''Creator/{{Noggin}}'' app either. Despite this, it is arguably still, or if not, still one of the most talked about talked-about old Nick Jr. shows. This might be due to the fact because the show is owned by Creator/{{Starz}} Starz Media's parent Creator/{{Lionsgate}}, and it's possible [[ScrewedbytheLawyers that Nickelodeon no longer has the rights to it.]] It could also be the reason why ''Wubbzy'' never appeared on any Nick Jr. compilation videos (for example, the Nick Jr. Favorites volumes.)



** Creator/{{PBS}} and the crew behind the show now seem to feel this way about the Season 12 episode "Room to Ride" and the Season 13 episode "The Great [=MacGrady=]," as both prominently feature former cycling champion Lance Armstrong as a guest celebrity (which has long been a norm for the series); in the wake of the doping scandal that saw Armstrong stripped of all of his UsefulNotes/TourDeFrance titles, both episodes have rarely been rerun on television as a result. Made worse by the fact that the latter episode focuses on a major character in the series dealing with their struggles against cancer, which Lance Armstrong himself suffered and eventually overcame.

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** Creator/{{PBS}} and the crew behind the show now seem to feel this way about the Season 12 episode "Room to Ride" and the Season 13 episode "The Great [=MacGrady=]," as both prominently feature former cycling champion Lance Armstrong as a guest celebrity (which has long been a norm for the series); CelebrityStar; in the wake of the doping scandal that saw Armstrong stripped of all of his UsefulNotes/TourDeFrance titles, both episodes have rarely been rerun on television as a result. Made worse by the fact that result, with the latter episode focuses on a major character in the series dealing with their struggles against cancer, which Lance Armstrong himself suffered and eventually overcame.remade with recurring in-universe "Uncle Slam" Wilson in Armstrong's place.



** ''WesternAnimation/{{Pelswick}}'' and ''WesternAnimation/TheBrothersFlub'' have it just as bad (maybe worse) as ''WesternAnimation/TheXs'' and ''WesternAnimation/RobotAndMonster''. Both are excluded from the official list of Franchise/{{Nicktoons}} and impossibly obscure. The former (VindicatedByHistory as a progressive show which garnered much controversy) is rarely acknowledged by Creator/{{Nickelodeon}} unless they are forced to (several times, they mocked it) while the latter was critically panned and mentioned nowhere on Nick's official website.
** However it seems like less of Nickelodeon being ashamed of both shows, and moreso due to both being ScrewedByTheLawyers - ''Pelswick'' was produced by Creator/{{Nelvana}} for Nickelodeon and Creator/{{CBC}}, while ''The Brothers Flub'' was produced by Creator/{{Sunbow|Entertainment}} for Nickelodeon (Nick slapped their name on both shows). Once Nick lost the syndication rights to both, they could not do anything more with either show.



* Considering it took Disney 13 years to release ''WesternAnimation/Dougs1stMovie'' onto DVD and then pretty much used the TV edit on the official DVD as opposed to the regular movie, it seems like the studio more or less feels this way towards that movie.

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* Considering it took Disney 13 years to release ''WesternAnimation/Dougs1stMovie'' onto DVD and then pretty much used the TV edit on the official DVD as opposed to the regular movie, it seems like the studio more or less feels this way towards that the movie.



** Notably averted in the case of Creator/MikePollock, who received so many questions about whether he regretted being in it that he dedicated an entire page on his website to explaining how he does not regret ''any'' of his past roles, not even ''Ratatoing'', and that he does not appreciate people mocking him for simply doing his job.

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** Notably averted in the case of Creator/MikePollock, who received so many questions about whether he regretted being in it that he dedicated an entire a page on his website to explaining how he does not regret ''any'' of his past roles, not even ''Ratatoing'', and that he does not appreciate people mocking him for simply doing his job.



* For the longest time, Creator/LeonardNimoy refused to even mention his participation in ''WesternAnimation/TransformersTheMovie'', to the consternation of fans. His complete disavowal of all things Transformers-related finally cracked when he was convinced to voice Sentinel Prime in ''Film/TransformersDarkOfTheMoon'', although it should be noted that film's director, Creator/MichaelBay, is a cousin of Nimoy's wife Susan Bay.

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* For the longest time, Creator/LeonardNimoy refused to even mention his participation in ''WesternAnimation/TransformersTheMovie'', to the consternation of fans. His complete disavowal of all things Transformers-related ''Transformers''-related finally cracked when he was convinced to voice Sentinel Prime in ''Film/TransformersDarkOfTheMoon'', although it should be noted that said film's director, Creator/MichaelBay, is a cousin of Nimoy's wife Susan Bay.



** In addition to the many people who've worked on the film that share the same feelings, Threshold Entertainment Group (the production company, of all entities) does not seem to mention the film on their website.

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** In addition to the many people who've worked on the film that share the same feelings, Threshold Entertainment Group (the production company, of all entities) ''production company'') does not seem to mention the film on their website.



* ''WesternAnimation/{{Minoriteam}}'' and ''WesternAnimation/AssyMcgee'' are reviled by Creator/AdultSwim. Both shows relied on bad one-note gimmicks (a superhero team of racial stereotypes and a dirty cop who's literally a talking pair of buttocks), were unpopular with viewers and both died after 20 episodes. ''Minoriteam'' reached such a reviled status that as a result of the then-ongoing "Black Lives Matter" protests, it was removed from their website in June 2020, along with the equally controversial ''Series/WorldPeace''.
** Same with ''WesternAnimation/TheDrinkyCrowShow'' and ''WesternAnimation/MongoWrestlingAlliance'', as both shows are rarely mentioned positively by the network and are rarely shown in reruns. During a "History of Adult Swim" marathon in 2020, they said ''MWA'' was probably the second-worst show they'd ever produced.
** They likewise weren't fond of the fourth season of ''WesternAnimation/TheBoondocks'' which was commissioned without creator Aaron [=McGruder=] at the helm, leading to a ton of character {{Flanderization}}, {{Out of Character Moment}}s and outlandish plots that even the fans of the series thought were too stupid for this show. As such they ''rarely'' rerun it and most of the time, go back to the first episode after the finale of season 3, "Its Goin Down", which was intended to be the true finale of the series anyway.

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* Creator/AdultSwim has a number of shows they'd rather forget:
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''WesternAnimation/{{Minoriteam}}'' and ''WesternAnimation/AssyMcgee'' are reviled by Creator/AdultSwim. Both shows both relied on bad lame, one-note gimmicks (a superhero team of racial stereotypes and a dirty cop who's literally DirtyCop who is a talking pair of buttocks), were unpopular with viewers and both died after 20 episodes. ''Minoriteam'' reached such a reviled status that as a result of the then-ongoing "Black Lives Matter" protests, it was removed from their website in June 2020, along with the equally controversial ''Series/WorldPeace''.
** Same with ''WesternAnimation/TheDrinkyCrowShow'' and ''WesternAnimation/MongoWrestlingAlliance'', as both shows ''WesternAnimation/MongoWrestlingAlliance'' are rarely mentioned positively by the network and are rarely shown in reruns. During a "History of Adult Swim" marathon in 2020, they said ''MWA'' was probably the second-worst show they'd ever produced.
** They likewise weren't Adult Swim isn't fond of the fourth season of ''WesternAnimation/TheBoondocks'' which was commissioned without creator Aaron [=McGruder=] at the helm, leading to a ton of character {{Flanderization}}, {{Out of Character Moment}}s [[OutOfCharacterMoment out-of-character moments]], and outlandish plots that even the fans of the series thought were too stupid for this show. As such such, they ''rarely'' rarely rerun it and most of the time, go it, usually going back to the first episode after the season 3 finale of season 3, "Its Goin Down", which "It's Goin' Down" (which was intended to be the true finale of the series anyway.GrandFinale anyway).
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* Creator/{{Toei}} animator Junichi Hayama was embarrassed to have worked on ''WesternAnimation/MuppetBabies1984''. He said he was a fan of the original ''Series/TheMuppetShow'' but did not enjoy this incarnation. Most fans consider this to be bizarre since ''Muppet Babies'' is equally as well-beloved as the original ''Muppet Show''.

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* Creator/{{Toei}} Creator/{{Toei|Company}} animator Junichi Hayama was embarrassed to have worked on ''WesternAnimation/MuppetBabies1984''. He said he was a fan of the original ''Series/TheMuppetShow'' but did not enjoy this incarnation. Most fans consider this to be bizarre since ''Muppet Babies'' is equally as well-beloved as the original ''Muppet Show''.

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-->"I pity the fool who watched that show".
* ''WesternAnimation/{{Minoriteam}}'' and ''WesternAnimation/AssyMcgee'' are reviled by Creator/AdultSwim. Both shows relied on bad one-note gimmicks (a superhero team of racial stereotypes and a dirty cop who's literally a talking pair of buttocks), were unpopular with viewers and both died after 20 episodes. ''Minoriteam'' reached such a reviled status that as a result of the ensuing "Black Lives Matter" protests, it was removed from their website in June 2020, along with the equally controversial ''Series/WorldPeace''.
** Same with ''WesternAnimation/TheDrinkyCrowShow'' and ''WesternAnimation/MongoWrestlingAlliance'', as both shows are rarely mentioned positively by the network and are rarely shown in reruns.

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-->"I pity the fool who watched that show".
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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Minoriteam}}'' and ''WesternAnimation/AssyMcgee'' are reviled by Creator/AdultSwim. Both shows relied on bad one-note gimmicks (a superhero team of racial stereotypes and a dirty cop who's literally a talking pair of buttocks), were unpopular with viewers and both died after 20 episodes. ''Minoriteam'' reached such a reviled status that as a result of the ensuing then-ongoing "Black Lives Matter" protests, it was removed from their website in June 2020, along with the equally controversial ''Series/WorldPeace''.
** Same with ''WesternAnimation/TheDrinkyCrowShow'' and ''WesternAnimation/MongoWrestlingAlliance'', as both shows are rarely mentioned positively by the network and are rarely shown in reruns. During a "History of Adult Swim" marathon in 2020, they said ''MWA'' was probably the second-worst show they'd ever produced.



** On a similar note, Joe Barbera held disdain towards the numerous knock-offs for ''WesternAnimation/ScoobyDoo'' as he solely produced them [[MoneyDearBoy to keep his company afloat with the networks]].



* ''WesternAnimation/DragonTales'' also appears to something Sesame Workshop wants to forget doing, owing to copyright issues with co-producers Sony. There's little to no mentions of it anywhere on their official website, and doesn't even have an official page.
* ''WesternAnimation/TheSecretOfNIMH2TimmyToTheRescue'' is this to Don Bluth; even though he did not work on the sequel to the original film, he has panned it along with the majority of the direct-to-video sequels based on his works. In the years since its release at least one person to work on the film, Paul Dale went on Facebook to pan both the animation and the story, and called the film "crap" when recalling his experience with it.

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* ''WesternAnimation/DragonTales'' also appears to be something Sesame Workshop wants to forget doing, owing to copyright issues with co-producers Sony. There's little to no mentions mention of it anywhere on their official website, and it doesn't even have an official page.
* ''WesternAnimation/TheSecretOfNIMH2TimmyToTheRescue'' is this to Don Bluth; even though he did not work on the sequel to the original film, he has panned it along with the majority of the direct-to-video sequels based on his works. In the years since its release at least one person to work on the film, Paul Dale Dale, went on Facebook to pan both the animation and the story, and called the film "crap" when recalling his experience with it.



* It can be assured Bruce W. Smith would like to forget about WesternAnimation/DaBoomCrew, a show that had been largely considered to be one of the worst cartoons of the 2000s and got cancelled after 13 episodes were made, 4 of which were only aired on television. After the series' failure, Smith's animation studio ''Jambalaya Studios'' would end up fizzling away, resulting to him doing work for other projects until his more successful series, ''WesternAnimation/TheProudFamily'', would be ordered for a reboot in 2022. This is especially evident since Smith never brings up the show.
* Due to [[Main/OvershadowedByControversy the controversies surrounding creator Bill Cosby]], Nickelodeon has been trying to erase ''WesternAnimation/LittleBill'' from their history. The show was removed from reruns in early 2014 and hasn't been seen since, Nick Jr. never mentions or references the show on social media, and it is currently the only "classic" Nick Jr. show not available to stream on Creator/ParamountPlus. They've even gone as far as [[https://web.archive.org/web/20200921235729/https://www.twitter.com/nickandmore/status/1308193556494987264 removing the show from past schedules.]]
** In 2022, Nickelodeon Animation Studio posted a [[https://web.archive.org/web/20221028213026/https://twitter.com/NickAnimation/status/1585964854946529281 timeline of its original series.]] Barring miniseries, spin-offs, and [=DreamWorks=] shows, ''Little Bill'' is the ''only'' original show not included...confirming the suspicion that the show has been removed from Nickelodeon canon.

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* It can be assured Bruce W. Smith would like to forget about WesternAnimation/DaBoomCrew, a show that had been largely considered to be one of the worst cartoons of the 2000s and got cancelled after 13 episodes were made, only 4 of which were only aired on television. After the series' failure, Smith's animation studio ''Jambalaya Studios'' Jambalaya Studios would end up fizzling away, resulting to in him doing work for other projects until his more successful series, ''WesternAnimation/TheProudFamily'', would be ordered for a reboot in 2022. This is especially evident since Smith never brings up the show.
* Due to [[Main/OvershadowedByControversy [[OvershadowedByControversy the controversies surrounding creator Bill Cosby]], Nickelodeon has been trying to erase ''WesternAnimation/LittleBill'' from their history. The show was removed from reruns in early 2014 and hasn't been seen since, Nick Jr. never mentions or references the show on social media, and it is currently the only "classic" Nick Jr. show not available to stream on Creator/ParamountPlus. They've even gone as far as [[https://web.archive.org/web/20200921235729/https://www.twitter.com/nickandmore/status/1308193556494987264 removing the show from past schedules.]]
** In 2022, Nickelodeon Animation Studio posted a [[https://web.archive.org/web/20221028213026/https://twitter.com/NickAnimation/status/1585964854946529281 timeline of its original series.]] Barring miniseries, spin-offs, and [=DreamWorks=] shows, ''Little Bill'' is the ''only'' original show not included...included, confirming the suspicion that the show has been removed from Nickelodeon canon.
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** Creator/HankAzaria says he hated how the episode "No Good Read Goes Unpunished" dismissively shrugged off the criticisms from the documentary ''The Problem With Apu'' about how Indian-American characters such as Apu from ''The Simpsons'' are stereotyped in pop culture.

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** Creator/HankAzaria says he hated how the episode "No Good Read Goes Unpunished" dismissively shrugged off away the criticisms from raised by the documentary ''The Problem With Apu'' about how Indian-American and South Asian-American characters such as Apu from ''The Simpsons'' are stereotyped in pop culture.
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* In regards to ''WesternAnimation/PlanetSheen'' (the spin-off to ''WesternAnimation/TheAdventuresJimmyNeutronBoyGenius''), John A. Davis later admitted that Sheen was a character who only worked in small doses, so giving him his own TV show caused his appeal to wear thin really fast.

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* In regards to ''WesternAnimation/PlanetSheen'' (the spin-off to ''WesternAnimation/TheAdventuresJimmyNeutronBoyGenius''), ''WesternAnimation/TheAdventuresOfJimmyNeutronBoyGenius''), John A. Davis later admitted that Sheen was a character who only worked in small doses, so giving him his own TV show caused his appeal to wear thin really fast.
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** An in-universe example: In "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS14E18DudeWheresMyRanch Dude, Where's My Ranch?]]", Homer wrote Flanders a hate song. Said song eventually became an in-universe meme. Its popularity rose to the point where even Homer himself had enough (see quote at top of page).

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** An in-universe example: In "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS14E18DudeWheresMyRanch Dude, Where's My Ranch?]]", Homer wrote Flanders a hate song. Said song eventually became an in-universe meme. Its popularity rose to the point where even Homer himself had enough (see quote at top of page).enough.
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** The staff came to regret casting Music/MichaelJackson on "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS3E1StarkRavingDad Stark Raving Dad]]" when child sex abuse allegations against him were first brought to light in 1993. It got to a point where Bart made a quip about Jackson being a lie parents make to scare kids in the 1995 episode "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS7E4BartSellsHisSoul Bart Sells His Soul]]". Not until the controversial 2019 documentary ''Leaving Neverland'' did they go to great lengths to get "Stark Raving Dad" pulled completely.[[note]]Well, almost completely, as the episode still occasionally airs on [[Creator/FXNetworks FXX]] in syndication.[[/note]]

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** The staff came to regret casting Music/MichaelJackson on "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS3E1StarkRavingDad Stark Raving Dad]]" when child sex abuse allegations against him were first brought to light in 1993. It got to a point where Bart made a quip about Jackson being a lie parents make to scare kids in the 1995 episode "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS7E4BartSellsHisSoul Bart Sells His Soul]]". Not until the controversial 2019 documentary ''Leaving Neverland'' did they go to great lengths to get "Stark Raving Dad" pulled completely.[[note]]Well, almost completely, as the episode still occasionally airs on [[Creator/FXNetworks FXX]] in syndication.syndication and is available on Google Play.[[/note]]
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** In the DVDCommentary for the "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS11E4TreehouseOfHorrorX Treehouse of Horror X]]" segment "Life's A Glitch, And Then You Die", the writers express regret over including Creator/SpikeLee and Creator/AlSharpton ([[UnfortunateImplications who are controversial black celebrities]]) among the doomed celebrities in a rocket ship headed towards the Sun. They also said that someone they would have preferred to be on that ship was George Steinbrenner.

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** In the DVDCommentary for the "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS11E4TreehouseOfHorrorX Treehouse of Horror X]]" segment "Life's A Glitch, And Then You Die", the writers express regret over including Creator/SpikeLee and Creator/AlSharpton ([[UnfortunateImplications who are controversial black celebrities]]) among the doomed celebrities in a rocket ship headed towards the Sun. They also said that someone they would have preferred to be on that ship was George Steinbrenner.



** Tellingly and fittingly with the show's NegativeContinuity stance, some revelations in season 2 were later disregarded or overwritten in the following two seasons. In particular, "Jailbot 2.0" had caused very vocal backlash due to confirming Alice as a transgender woman rather than letting fans guess her gender, causing Karacas to regret ever making the reveal. "Special Needs" subtly altered her backstory to suggest she always had a more feminine identity (thus trying to rectify the unfortunate implications that she only transitioned to not be seen as gay to her boss), while "The Superjail Six" retconned her and Jared's arrivals at the jail and presented her as a lot more feminine than her present-day nature.

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** Tellingly and fittingly with the show's NegativeContinuity stance, some revelations in season 2 were later disregarded or overwritten in the following two seasons. In particular, "Jailbot 2.0" had caused very vocal backlash due to confirming Alice as a transgender woman rather than letting fans guess her gender, causing Karacas to regret ever making the reveal. "Special Needs" subtly altered her backstory to suggest she always had a more feminine identity (thus trying to rectify the unfortunate implications explanation that she only transitioned to not be seen as gay to her boss), while "The Superjail Six" retconned her and Jared's arrivals at the jail and presented her as a lot more feminine than her present-day nature.



** The staff also regret "Twistory" due to its UnfortunateImplications regarding British people. Said episode is now [[MissingEpisode almost never rerun]].

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** Seth [=MacFarlane=] lent his support to the WGA strike in 2007, resulting in the ''Family Guy'' production crew finishing three episodes ("Padre de Familia", "Peter's Daughter" and "[=McStroke=]") without his approval. He was not happy when he found out.
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** She also came to dislike the "Equal Fights" episode of ''WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirls1998'', feeling that she had tried too hard to incorporate adult-oriented subject matter (namely how to distinguish genuine feminism from [[StrawFeminist Straw Feminism]]) into a children's show in a way that didn't do it justice.
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* ''WesternAnimation/FatherOfThePride'': The Creator/DreamWorks animated sitcom about a family of white lions is mostly remembered as one of the most colossal flops in the history of prime-time animation. [=DreamWorks=] proceeded to bury it in their animation archives, abandoning it and receiving more credit and success in children's shows.

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* ''WesternAnimation/FatherOfThePride'': The Creator/DreamWorks Creator/{{DreamWorks|Animation}} animated sitcom about a family of white lions is mostly remembered as one of the most colossal flops in the history of prime-time animation. [=DreamWorks=] proceeded to bury it in their animation archives, abandoning it and receiving more credit and success in children's shows.
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* Creator/RobPaulsen has made fun of a few characters he's voiced, particularly WesternAnimation/{{Bubsy}} and [[WesternAnimation/CoconutFredsFruitSaladIsland Coconut Fred]]. In the case of the former, he says that the one good thing to come out of it was that he was [[MoneyDearBoy paid for his work]]. He's even more embarrassed of the latter, pointing out its similarities to WesternAnimation/{{SpongeBob|SquarePants}} in an interview. He also dislikes ''WesternAnimation/TheSnorks'', because he is one of the many people who thought it was an underwater rip-off of ''WesternAnimation/TheSmurfs''. He has also said ''WesternAnimation/SpaceCats'' was an awful cartoon, but he enjoyed working with his friends Creator/TownsendColeman and Creator/PatFraley on it.

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* Creator/RobPaulsen has made fun of a few characters he's voiced, particularly WesternAnimation/{{Bubsy}} and [[WesternAnimation/CoconutFredsFruitSaladIsland Coconut Fred]]. In the case of the former, he says that the one good thing to come out of it was that he was [[MoneyDearBoy paid for his work]]. He's even more embarrassed of the latter, pointing out its similarities to WesternAnimation/{{SpongeBob|SquarePants}} in an interview. He also dislikes ''WesternAnimation/TheSnorks'', because he is one of the many people who thought it was an underwater rip-off of ''WesternAnimation/TheSmurfs''.''WesternAnimation/{{The Smurfs|1981}}''. He has also said ''WesternAnimation/SpaceCats'' was an awful cartoon, but he enjoyed working with his friends Creator/TownsendColeman and Creator/PatFraley on it.



* In regards to ''WesternAnimation/PlanetSheen'' (the spin-off to the ''WesternAnimation/JimmyNeutron'' franchise), John A. Davis later admitted that Sheen was a character who only worked in small doses, so giving him his own TV show caused his appeal to wear thin really fast.

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* In regards to ''WesternAnimation/PlanetSheen'' (the spin-off to the ''WesternAnimation/JimmyNeutron'' franchise), ''WesternAnimation/TheAdventuresJimmyNeutronBoyGenius''), John A. Davis later admitted that Sheen was a character who only worked in small doses, so giving him his own TV show caused his appeal to wear thin really fast.
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* ''WesternAnimation/StarVsTheForcesOfEvil'' : Tom's voice actor, Rider Strong, wasn't very happy with how his character was handled in the latter half of Season 4, mainly the fact that he broke up with Star with a poor excuse just so she could get together with Marco in the end.

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** Creator/BillyWest does not like talking about working on the show and refuses to work with John Kricfalusi ever again, citing having a bad experience with him on and off it. In particular, Kricfalusi demanded West quit the show alongside him in order to force the network to hire him back even though West needed the job and could have been blacklisted alongside Kricfalusi had he done it and failed, and West just saw the show as a job anyway and didn't feel any obligation to be loyal to Kricfalusi.
** To a lesser extent Bob Camp, while he enjoyed working on the show, he has similar bad memories working with Kricfalusi and executive demands, and wasn't satisfied with a lot of his directed episodes during the Games Animation seasons.

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** Creator/BillyWest does not like talking about working on the show and refuses to work with John Kricfalusi ever again, citing having a bad experience with him on and off it. In particular, Kricfalusi demanded West quit the show alongside him in order to force the network to hire him back even though West needed the job and could have been blacklisted alongside Kricfalusi had he done it and failed, and West just saw the show as a job anyway and didn't feel any obligation to be loyal to Kricfalusi.
Kricfalusi. He also referred to Adult Party Cartoon as "an advertisement for NAMBLA", as well as "one long gay joke that wasn't funny to start with." He refused reprise his role as Stimpy, not only because he assumed the failure would damage his career if he did, but because he was still mad at John K. for abusing him during the run of the original show, then launching a smear campaign against him and everyone else when he got fired. Not helping that he was nearly bribed into reprising Stimpy under the promise of not having to work directly with John, for a meager $45 an episode.
** To a lesser extent Bob Camp, while he enjoyed working on the show, he has similar bad memories working with Kricfalusi and executive demands, and wasn't satisfied with a lot of his directed episodes during the Games Animation seasons. He also hates the Adult Party Cartoon revival for its shock humor and how it temporarily torpedoed any chance of the series getting any future revival, namely his own attempt at pitching a Ren and Stimpy movie in the mid-2010s.


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** Character designer Katie Rice has frequently admitted her contempt for Adult Party Cartoon. In addition to dealing with John K. as a person, she was given the task of designing and voicing a self-caricature for the sole purpose of getting fondled in "Naked Beach Frenzy." To say nothing of the live-action segment of John K. talking to her in an uncomforting way on the DVD intro, which she avoided watching for years (when she finally saw it, she threw the DVD away the next morning).
** While Richard Pursel still loves "Ren Seeks Help", he has made it clear that he does not like the parts with the brutally abused and suicidal frog, which were added into the episode by John K despite him being strongly against it and vocal about it.
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** William Wray, who often describes John K. as "deeply unhappy" when sharing anecdotes about him, refused to talk about the show for many years because doing so brought a lot of bad memories of his and Kricfalusi's relationship, especially since Wray allegedly took it upon himself to befriend John and help with his depression to no avail. One less-than-pleasent anecdote involved John essentially trying to teach Wray how to do his job with a painting "lesson" to get Wray to paint backgrounds exactly how he wanted him to (this despite Kricfalusi never having painted in his life). Wray initially refused to be interviewed for Thad Komorowski's book Sick Little Monkeys, and even after coming around was described in the book as "tearful" when recalling the nightmare that was John K.'s firing. When K's 2019 short Cans Without Labels (which actually plagiarized painting of Wray's) was leaked online, Wray's critique on his Facebook page turned into a massive thread of former colleagues and other non-fans more or less confirming every single negative rumor about Kricfalusi.
** Artist Stephen DeStefano likewise has very bad memories of working on the show.
** Outside of the show, and in stark contrast to many of the other Spumco staff who contributed to or tipped their hat to it, Kricfalusi absolutely abhors the unauthorized book of the show's history, Sick Little Monkeys: The Unauthorized Ren and Stimpy Story, as it brought to light many unflattering anecdotes about him. He not only refused to have any part of it, he even took snipes at Komorowski on his blog in the post "Fanboy Admission and Genetics", drawing a disparaging caricature of him as an acne ridden and angry, troll nosed puppet with the text and caption taking an incredibly mean-spirited snipe with the caption "Puppet Aspergers" (Thad himself had the doodle colorized and used as his pic for a while). He abhorred the book so much that he would go as far as burning bridges with anyone who dared to support the book—he notably ended his 30-year friendship with animation historian Jerry Beck for posting a glowing review of the book on Cartoon Brew.
** Jamie Oliff, the director at Lacewood Productions, was not happy with how his studio's episodes turned out, and actually asked John to not send them any more work. He said that the crew members had really bad attitudes and weren't as grateful as they should've been to be working on such a unique cartoon.
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** Hirsch is, according to a reddit thread, not terribly fond of the 11-minute pilot used to pitch the show, though he did release it as a reward for completing the Cipher Hunt.

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