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*ADateWithRosiePalmsADateWithRosiePalms: There's a lot of masturbation in his films.
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* LighterAndSofter: Bizarrely enough, some critics noted that ''Dark Horse'', a film about an irritating ManChild in a [[NoSparks bizarre, unloving romance]] with a depressed woman, was the least hateful of all his films. The New York Times argued that it was asking if the main character, despite all his flaws, was deserving of love - unlike the other films, which heap scorn on the protagonists.
* LighterAndSofter: Bizarrely enough, some critics noted that ''Dark Horse'', a film about an irritating ManChild in a [[NoSparks bizarre, unloving romance]] with a depressed woman, was the least hateful of all his films. The New York Times argued that it was asking if the main character, despite all his flaws, was deserving of love - unlike the other films, which heap scorn on the protagonists.
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* LeaveTheCameraRunning
LeaveTheCameraRunning: Comes with making the American equivalent of {{Euroshlock}}.
* LighterAndSofter: Bizarrely enough, some critics noted that ''Dark Horse'', a film about an irritating ManChild in a [[NoSparks bizarre, unloving romance]] with a depressed woman, was the least hateful of all his films. The New York Times argued that it was asking if the main character, despite all his flaws, was deserving of love - unlike the other films, which heap scorn on [[VillainProtagonist theprotagonists.protagonists]].
* LighterAndSofter: Bizarrely enough, some critics noted that ''Dark Horse'', a film about an irritating ManChild in a [[NoSparks bizarre, unloving romance]] with a depressed woman, was the least hateful of all his films. The New York Times argued that it was asking if the main character, despite all his flaws, was deserving of love - unlike the other films, which heap scorn on [[VillainProtagonist the
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* VillainProtagonist: The standard main character of a Solondz film, if they're not a complete ButtMonkey or CosmicPlaything.
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* SociopathicHero: If you're lucky, you might find one of these in his films.
* VillainProtagonist: The standard main character of a Solondz film, if they're not a complete ButtMonkey or CosmicPlaything.
* VillainProtagonist: The standard main character of a Solondz film, if they're not a complete ButtMonkey or CosmicPlaything.
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* SelfDeprecation: One of his films in Storytelling was a documentary writer who becomes increasingly misanthropic, bitter, and angry at the world, and paints his documentary subject, an everyday normal dude, in an incredibly harsh, hateful light. In the end, the everyday normal dude, who has his entire family killed by [[ItMakesAsMuchSenseInContext a disgruntled gardener]], angrily tells off the writer. Sound familiar?
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* SelfDeprecation: One of his films in Storytelling was a documentary writer who becomes increasingly misanthropic, bitter, and angry at the world, and paints his documentary subject, an everyday normal dude, in an incredibly harsh, hateful light. In the end, the everyday normal dude, who has his entire family killed by [[ItMakesAsMuchSenseInContext [[ItMakesSenseInContext a disgruntled gardener]], angrily tells off the writer. Sound familiar?
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* KarmaHoudini: Too many to count.
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* SelfDeprecation: One of his films in Storytelling was a documentary writer who becomes increasingly misanthropic, bitter, and angry at the world, and paints his documentary subject, an everyday normal dude, in an incredibly harsh, hateful light. In the end, the everyday normal dude, who has his entire family killed by [[ItMakesAsMuchSenseInContext a disgruntled gardener, gardener]], angrily tells off the writer. Sound familiar?
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* EvilVersusEvilEvilVersusEvil: No one is innocent in Solondz's work. ''No one.''
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* {{Gorn}}: Sometimes.
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* {{Gorn}}: Sometimes.Sometimes utilizes this.
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* {{Euroshlock}}: Despite being American productions, his films nonetheless have a lot in common with this trope.
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* {{Euroshlock}}: Despite being American productions, his films nonetheless have a lot in common with this trope. LeaveTheCameraRunning? Check. {{Gorn}} and {{Squick}}? Check. Overbearing angst and gloominess? ''Checkola''.
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* RefugeInAudacity: His jokes revolve around rape, child molestation, massacres, and bestiality. One of his most "sympathetic" protagonists fantasizes about killing children.
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* RefugeInAudacity: His jokes revolve around rape, child molestation, massacres, and bestiality. One of his most "sympathetic" protagonists fantasizes about killing children.''killing children''.
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* MisanthropeSupreme / StrawNihilist: What critics of the films tend to stereotype him as.
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* MisanthropeSupreme / StrawNihilist: What critics of the films tend to stereotype him as. He's complained about it before, and several critics point out that, while the films ''are'' mocking and misanthropic, they still humanize their subjects.
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* BlackAndGreyMorality: When not EvilVersusEvil outright. ''Film/WelcomeToTheDollhouse'' is the best example. Guess which side ends up winning?
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all three.
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* {{Euroshlock}}: Despite being American productions, his films nonetheless have a lot in common with this trope.
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* HumansAreBastards: Arguably ''the'' defining element of his films. If there are characters that aren't depraved, selfish, or apathetic, expect them either to make a FaceHeelTurn or be crushed by the story's end. Or raped. Or dead. Or raped after death.
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* HumansAreBastards: Arguably ''the'' defining element of his films. If there are characters that aren't depraved, selfish, or apathetic, expect them either to make a FaceHeelTurn or be crushed by the story's end. Or raped. Or dead. [[BreadEggsBreadedEggs Or raped raped]] [[ILoveTheDead after death.]]
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* SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism: [[TemptingFate Take a guess.]]
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* HumansAreBastards: Arguably ''the'' defining element of his films. If there are characters that aren't depraved, selfish, or apathetic, expect them either to make a FaceHeelTurn or be crushed by the story's end.
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* HumansAreBastards: Arguably ''the'' defining element of his films. If there are characters that aren't depraved, selfish, or apathetic, expect them either to make a FaceHeelTurn or be crushed by the story's end. Or raped. Or dead. Or raped after death.
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* HumansAreBastards: Arguably ''the'' defining element of his films. If there are characters that aren't depraved, selfish, or apathetic, expect them either to become that way or be crushed by the story's end.
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* HumansAreBastards: Arguably ''the'' defining element of his films. If there are characters that aren't depraved, selfish, or apathetic, expect them either to become that way make a FaceHeelTurn or be crushed by the story's end.
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* SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism: Extremely cynical to the point of misanthropy and nihilism.
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* SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism: Extremely cynical to the point of misanthropy and nihilism.[[TemptingFate Take a guess.]]
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* HumansAreBastards: Arguably ''the'' defining element of his films. If there are characters that aren't depraved, selfish, or apathetic, expect them either to become that way or be crushed by the end of the film.story's end.
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* MistakenForRacist: Satirizes race in Storytelling, where a bland, depressed white blonde is raped by her black professor while telling her to call him racist names. When she writes about it, her classmates dismiss her as a racist white girl.
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* RefugeInAudacity: His jokes revolve around rape, child molestation, massacres, and bestiality.
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* SelfDeprecation: One of his films in Storytelling was a documentary writer who becomes increasingly misanthropic, bitter, and angry at the world, and paints his documentary subject, an everyday normal dude, in an incredibly harsh, hateful light. Sound familiar?
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* RefugeInAudacity: His jokes revolve around rape, child molestation, massacres, and bestiality.
bestiality. One of his most "sympathetic" protagonists fantasizes about killing children.
* SelfDeprecation: One of his films in Storytelling was a documentary writer who becomes increasingly misanthropic, bitter, and angry at the world, and paints his documentary subject, an everyday normal dude, in an incredibly harsh, hateful light. In the end, the everyday normal dude, who has his entire family killed by a disgruntled gardener, angrily tells off the writer. Sound familiar?
* SelfDeprecation: One of his films in Storytelling was a documentary writer who becomes increasingly misanthropic, bitter, and angry at the world, and paints his documentary subject, an everyday normal dude, in an incredibly harsh, hateful light. In the end, the everyday normal dude, who has his entire family killed by a disgruntled gardener, angrily tells off the writer. Sound familiar?
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* YouCantFightFate: Noted to be incredibly fatalist.
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He\'s actually had some fondness for humans. He says his best job was helping Ukranian immigrants ease into America.
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* RefugeInAudacity
RefugeInAudacity: His jokes revolve around rape, child molestation, massacres, and bestiality.
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* {{Squick}}: Let's just leave it at that.
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BrainBleach: You're going to need it. And maybe some therapy. [[DrowningMySorrows And alcohol]].
*HumansAreBastardsCrapsackWorld: Well, indeed.
* DownerEnding: Quite fond of these.
* DysfunctionJunction: His characters, at the very least, aren't exactly happy or stable.
* {{Euroshlock}}: Despite being American productions, his films nonetheless have a lot in common with this trope.
* {{Gorn}}: Sometimes.
* HumansAreBastards: Arguably ''the'' defining element of his films. If there are characters that aren't depraved, selfish, or apathetic, expect them either to become that way or be crushed by the end of the film.
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* DownerEnding: Quite fond of these.
* DysfunctionJunction: His characters, at the very least, aren't exactly happy or stable.
* {{Euroshlock}}: Despite being American productions, his films nonetheless have a lot in common with this trope.
* {{Gorn}}: Sometimes.
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Todd Solondz is a director of independent films who got his big break with the release of {{Film/WelcomeToTheDollhouse}}. He has since gone on to direct films such as ''Happiness'', ''Storytelling'', ''Palindromes'', and more recently, ''Dark Horse''.
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Todd Solondz is a director of independent films who got his big break with the release of {{Film/WelcomeToTheDollhouse}}.''{{Film/Welcome To The Dollhouse}}''. He has since gone on to direct films such as ''Happiness'', ''Storytelling'', ''Palindromes'', and more recently, ''Dark Horse''.
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Todd Solondz is a director of independent films who got his big break with the release of {{Film/WelcomeToTheDollhouse}}. He has since gone on to direct films such as ''Happiness'', ''Storytelling'', ''Palindromes'', and more recently, ''Dark Horse''.
And his films are '''dark'''. He's made a name for himself as one of the most controversial and nihilistic cinematic minds working today, with his movies painting an increasingly misanthropic and brutal portrayal of existence, particularly in the New Jersey suburbs. They're loaded with NightmareFuel and {{Squick}}, so by no means are they for the squeamish. You have been warned.
!!Tropes found in himself and his work:
* BlackComedy: Of the cruelest, harshest kind imaginable.
* CrapsackWorld
* HumansAreBastards
* ShootTheShaggyDog
* YouCantFightFate
And his films are '''dark'''. He's made a name for himself as one of the most controversial and nihilistic cinematic minds working today, with his movies painting an increasingly misanthropic and brutal portrayal of existence, particularly in the New Jersey suburbs. They're loaded with NightmareFuel and {{Squick}}, so by no means are they for the squeamish. You have been warned.
!!Tropes found in himself and his work:
* BlackComedy: Of the cruelest, harshest kind imaginable.
* CrapsackWorld
* HumansAreBastards
* ShootTheShaggyDog
* YouCantFightFate